GREAT HAPPENING OF OUR TIMES
krauts ruin everything again edition
EU super state inbound
http://static.presspublica.pl/red/rp/pdf/DokumentUE.pdf
Polish National TV obtains shocking document about one European supercountry,
calls for complete surrender
old thread
>>78917095
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>>78917095
fugg what does it all mean
>>78934498
Post more sauce, nerd.
>yuropoors will suffer
>>78934629
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
>European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit
>>78934498
reposting from the old thread
>To prevent the silent creeping erosion of our European project we have to be more focused on essentials and on meeting the concrete expectations of our citizens.
And of course, they seek to do so through more political integration. Then they'll give the rubber stamp house called the European Parliament some more nominal powers and say "look, we're democratic, so you can't oppose our federalist ideals."
>Our task is twofold: we have to strictly focus our joints efforts on those challenges that can only be addressed by common European answers, while leaving others to national or regional decision making and variation.
These men are expert users of language. If they specify "national or regional", it means something. It means they're going to erode national sovereignty at twice the speed, in a pincer movement by both European integration and regional decentralization.
>Our two countries share a common destiny
This is also important. It reveals their world view: historicism. The idea that history is a more or less linear climb from the swamps to the stars, and that they can guide this process along.
> and a common set of values
That they're unable to define, and when they try to define it (as you can see in plenty of European Union documents) it looks like more vague cosmopolitan babble.
>We will therefore move further towards political union in Europe and invite the other Europeans to join us in this endeavour
they're not even hiding it anymore. France and Germany now lead Europe together, and they've made it clear by making this document together and only then inviting 'the rest of us', the rabble.
>ensure the security of our citizens confronted with growing external and internal threats
Meanwhile, the European Union is completely ignoring the real threats on the horizon: climate change, mass migration from Africa and the Middle East, a collapse in social cohesion and a widening divide between the rich and the poor.
>>78934973
>establish a stable cooperative framework for dealing with migration and refugee flows
This, again, shows that they deny reality itself but pretend to be on top of it. Study after study has shown that migration:
1. Lowers social trust, lowers trust in the authorities, and lowers people's willingness to cooperate and build.
2. Has virtually no effect on the size of the economy, but makes the poor much poorer and the rich much richer.
>boost the European economy by promoting convergence and sustainable and job-creating growth
This is more vague, political babble. They've been talking about "boosting the economy" and "promoting sustainable and job-creating growth" for two decades, but they've fucked everything up so far. At some point, you have to say to yourself: these people aren't in it for what they say they're in it for. They're in it to create a United States of Europe with themselves firmly at the head.
>and advancing towards the completion of the Economic and Monetary Union
Another important aspect. Jean Monnet, one of the European Union's founding fathers, said in the 1950s that the road to a United States of Europe was to introduce political measures, disguised as economic measures. And the current President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, said in Der Spiegel in December 1999: "First we introduce something, then we wait and see. If there is no outcry, no revolt, because most people don't understand what we're doing anyway, we go on. Step by step, until there is no way back."
>It is challenged by a series of crises in its southern and eastern environment.
Anyone care to guess what they're talking about here? It's incredibly vague, a kind of political compromise clause in the document.
>Looking back at the history of the European edifice, we strongly believe in the strength of the EU and its ability to overcome these situations.
Just another highlight to show how detached from reality these people really are.
>>78935023
>But something is new in these critical times, namely the perception that these crises jeopardise the very fabric of our societies, our values, our way of life.
Societies have always been put to the test. But the European Union consists of nameless, faceless bureaucratic idealists who have an 'institutional' view of society. They don't understand the real world, so they only start seeing threats and problems once those threats and problems arrive as reports on their desks on Monday morning.
>We see terrorists attempting to spread fear and division in our societies.
Here's another detail worth calling attention to. They're trying to boost the narrative that the goal of the terrorists is to 'turn us against each other'. Why? Because it is in the European Union's political interests that everyone of every race, faith and creed unites under the blue flag that bears twelve golden stars and starts singing the European Union's anthem, even if that's an impossible task.
>We see the need to preserve the combination of growth, competitiveness and social cohesion which lies at the heart of our European model, while preserving our common values both internally and vis-à- vis the outside world.
This is almost Kafkaesque. They're using all these vague political terms, but even at this level of abstraction, we know they can't be mixed and matched.
>The EU has to face a deteriorating security environment and an unprecedented level of threat.
Note the dishonesty here. When they want prestige they say the European Union has made Europe safer and more peaceful than ever, but when they want power they say the European Union is facing a "deteriorating security environment and an unprecedented level of threat" and they need more power to combat that.
>Power politics are back on the world stage and conflict is being imported into our continent.
And they're the ones doing the importing. Make no mistake, where we see danger they see opportunities.
>>78935080
>Europe’s role as a credible force for peace is more important than ever.
And this is done, of course, by giving the same people who are saying this more power. They're like snake oil salesmen who say "oh, you have a very slight limp, snake oil can cure that."
>We consider the European Union and the European security order to be part of our core interests and will safeguard them in any circumstances.
This should one of the most ominous parts of the document. They don't speak of our safety, or the safety of our nations. They speak of the specific security of the European Union, and of the vague concept of 'European security' which can be used to justify one European security apparatus.
>We see the EU as a key power in its neighbourhood but also as an actor for peace and stability with global reach.
Their competence is still shit tier, but their ambition is reaching beyond the stars.
>European engagement in the Minsk process has helped to contain a military confrontation in eastern Ukraine that could have easily spiralled out of control.
What did the European Union do? First, several high-ranking members of the European Parliament (including the leader of a major group) came to Ukraine and promised the European Union's support for violent revolutionaries. Then the European Union decided to step on Russia's foot. Then Russia committed an unprecedented act of aggression, and the European Union backed down like a cuck and said "o-oh well, nothing to do about this." If appeasement and acceptance is their idea of containment, I don't feel safe being protected by them.
>Beyond the crises, we are convinced that Africa needs also a continuous commitment, being a continent of great challenges and opportunities.
Remember this phrase when the European Union decides to import 50,000,000 African 'workers'.
>>78935110
>Germany and France propose a European Security Compact which encompasses all aspects of security and defence dealt with at the European level and thus delivers on the EU’s promise to strengthen security for its citizens.
1. Atodeso. I fucking atodeso.
2. Notice how they're calling us all "[the European Union's] citizens". Always bear in mind, when dealing with the European Union, that their goal is a United States of Europe.
>On the basis of this common understanding, the European Union should establish agreed strategic priorities for its foreign and security policy, in accordance with European interests.
More than ever, the European Union is seeking control over the diplomatic actions of member states. This is especially important because one of the conditions in international law for the existence of a state (Montevideo Convention, 1933) is its ability to enter into relations with other states. Once the European Union takes that away, there is a good case in international law for the cessation of statehood of all European Union member states and the resulting transfer of their sovereignty to the single European body that has taken over their ability to enter into relations with other states.
> But we need to push further: on a more contested and competitive international scene, France and Germany will promote the EU as an independent and global actor able to leverage its unique array of expertise and tools, civilian and military, in order to defend and promote the interests of its citizens.
Again, I refer you to the Monnet Method. Steps for political integration, disguised as being common-sense economic measures.
>The EU should be able to plan and conduct civil and military operations more effectively, with the support of a permanent civil-military chain of command.
There you have it. The French and the Germans, together, want a European Union Army. I knew this would come shortly after Brexit.
>>78935168
>If needed, EU member states should consider establishing standing maritime forces or acquiring EU-owned capabilities in other key areas.
A navy, sailing under the flag of the European Union. At that point, it would become clear to all but the most naive sceptics that the European Union is a country and that the sovereignty of all member states has ceased.
>The establishment of a European defence research programme will support an innovative European industry.
And, of course, this programme will answer to no member state but to the European Commission.
>France and Germany will conduct joint initiatives in stabilisation, development and reconstruction in Syria and Iraq when the situation allows
They will never learn, but it's important to see this as another expression of France and Germany's intentions to become the sole rulers of the European Union. They're essentially saying, in a document about the entire European Union, "this is our plan, and we are going to carry it out, and the rest of you are just going to have to shut up and play along".
>We want also to increase our dialogue and cooperation with third countries in North Africa, the Sahel strip, the Lake Chad Basin, West Africa, the horn of Africa and the Middle East, as well as regional and sub-regional organisations (African Union, G5).
And what do you think these African countries will demand? Exactly, 50,000,000 African 'workers' sent to the European Union on 'Blue Cards' (believe it or not, such a scheme exists already and they're seeking to broaden it).
>In order to address the root causes of terrorism, France and Germany will develop a European platform to share experience and best practice in preventing and counteracting radicalisation.
Since the European Union is a haven of political correctness, expect a knock on your door from the police in the next couple of years. We're "radicals", too.
fine, have a bump
>>78935305
Thanks
more source:
http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan%E2%80%99-causes-alarm
This is not a super country, its literally USSR 2.0
>>78934498
Illuminati is real.
These are the first true baby steps into some new world order shit.
>Shameless self-repost
The thing is is that those of us who pay attention to world politics saw it as an eventuality. The only problem is that those of us far enough down the rabbit hole see the (((globalist))) agenda behind the European Superstate. This truth behind the federalization of Europe is the conspiracy. We know it's not being done for the good of the European people, but instead to profit off of them. And it's obviously being pushed hard now because (((bankers))) are losing their shit due to Britain's exit. So they want to hurry up and lock down other states (Netherlands comes to mind) so that there will be ramifications for them leaving.
There is only two possible outcomes for the (((Superstate))). Civil war or external war. I guess a third possible outcome would be civil war leading to external war.
The saddest part is that the armies involved are gonna be white men (aside from those from my country), all the while European women are gonna be at home with the "refugees" who couldn't be conscripted.
They are not wrong
Leave the sinking ship.
We're so fucking done people.
SO
FUCKING
DONE
>>78934498
I don't care about a union frankly as long as it isn't liberal.
>>78936121
just let the border countries do their job and stop crying a river when a "refugee" gets shot
that's literally all it takes, we don't need some international gestapo
I don't see the problem here
>>78936273
Sorry but I don't trust in southern Europe to even take care of their own economy
Corrupt and lazy people
Nice one germany you fucking faggots, hope you get wiped out
Bring on cold war 2.0 baby
This time we've got dibs on russia.
>>78936334
pls no.
THEY ARENT EVEN HIDING IT ANYMORE WTF. IM SO TRIGGERED
>>78934498
Im sorry but please dont blame the german people for this shit. were just a puppet established seriously after ww2.
>>78934626
berlin-paris wants ur soul
>>78936416
>Implying the anglos aren't the ones who will be wiped out.
You won't even have more than half of your country anymore.
>The EU must find a common answer to the rising number of migrants seeking to enter the EU for economic reasons. The asylum system is a misleading entry point for them to use.
At least they admit the problem
>>78934498
You better stop this shit RIGHT NOW motherfuckers.
We don't want any other superstates competing with us for world domination.
Your only job is to be a pawn in our geopolitical schemes.
>>78936610
You voted for them.
>>78936408
And I wouldn't trust some Fingolian shitblood mongrel telling southern Europe how to run its economy.
>>78936273
something like italy and greece doing something productive. do you know how stupid you sound?
Why are EU posters mad about this though? its obvious that this is done in order to make Europe independent from America again.
>>78936564
I don't really know at what point they were hiding it though. This isn't exactly a "conspiracy"
>>78936713
no.
>>78934840
>Poland linking British News
Wtf is this real or a pol conspiracy theory?
Is the EU actually trying to become a superstate before NL or Austria or France decide to hold a referendum too?
Well if this shit passes we are just fucked, no one will be allowed to leave anymore since european army is created.
>>78936801
Then maybe you should demand new democratic election?
>>78936810
Kek, how else do you think Poland even exists?
>>78936713
No we didn't. The EU itself is pretty much completely unelected and can be blamed on all Europeans in the same way that they weren't given a choice and their government did whatever it wanted.
Merkel was elected, she isn't running the EU but merely the lapdog of people like Juncker who's from Luxembourgh which isn't German. She was also elected to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what she's doing. It's as if Trump is elected and removes the border to Mexico entirely.
>>78936610
You don't get it do you.
Your people are hellbent on having their fucking empire. An empire that controls the globe.
You were too late the first time, empires were falling down. Hitler got the closest, but was still shut down.
The EU is your 4th reich. It is a reich that marches forward not on the power of nationalism and patriotism, but one disguised under the shroud of globalism.
Why are the German people so fucking obsessed with taking over the world?
>>78936884
Can't, the government investigated itself and found itself guilty of no transgressions.
>>78935934
This. Can't wait to watch it burn.
>>78936964
I'm talking about Merkel and her Ministers. It looks like it's their idea.
>>78936725
Russia which is extremely corrupt does better job securing the border between us than what Greece and Italy are doing. They don't care and instead just encourage more people to come. It's completely logical that France and Germany need to do the job because you can't trust naturally corrupt people.
I keep not seeing any reference to representative democracy as a fundamental, indeed central, value.
>>78934498
Like i said before, its literally nothing, just propaganda, real issues are talked behind closed doors not presented in PDF's.
>>78936968
>Says the guy from the country which took over the world.
You realize that the majority of America is German,right?
>>78937088
>Russia is more effective at stopping migration to Finland than our own government
lately our Great Leader was interviewed by one of newspaper
http://www.rp.pl/Brexit/160629410-Kaczynski-Musimy-wyjsc-z-inicjatywa-zmian-UE.html
he called for remaking the union into a confederacy with a clear separation of competence between member states and central body that should replace the current brussel bureaucracy
we are literaly going towards pic related
Hol up is this legit? Express have printed out lies before and I have no idea about the Polish source
I'm still not sure if this is real. It's only happening the Polish news from what I'm seeing.
Is this getting buried, or did someone fuck up and is overreacting?
>>78934498
You polish guys are really slow. Read that document 2 days ago.
>>78934498
Hitler always did want control of Europe.
He would be proud.
>>78934498
There's nothing in this file. They say they'll keep national intelligence agencies even in the medium and long term plans.
None of the claims of those newspapers linked seem to be true.
Brits are the luckiest people in the world right now
>>78937198
The Greeks hate the EU, there is no way they would be with the Federate States.
>>78936884
Björn Höcke of the AfD did just that, already in 2015. And I voted for AfD.
But even if you voted CDU and SPD, you have no control over the processes happening in Brussels. And they fool you all the time.
I'll give you an example: Some years ago the SPD marketed the EU elections with the slogan "Do you want a German to lead the EU? Vote SPD! (the social democrats)"
And this "German" leader later was quoted in haaretz that he said while in Israel: "To me the new Germany only exists to ensure the safety of Israel and the Jewish people."
Wow, such honesty! Much German leader! So based! Wow!
>>78936878
It's real but it's not some jewish conspiracy, european liberals really think united states of europe is a good idea. Their goal is probably something like a France-Benelux-Germany superstate plus relatively independent orbiters.
>>78936878
Why france? They want it also. Look at the document.
>>78936465
WW3 will be US/UK/Russia trio vs eu 4th Reich. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>78936940
Topkek toothpaste, I like you. Honourary shitpostership granted.
>>78934498
Absolute lobsterback. It's time to bomb the Germans into oblivion. They are not content until they completely destroy Europe. We need to just destroy Western Europe and allow slavs to colonize it
>>78937249
But Hitler hated (((socialists))) and (((communists))).
>>78936713
Schultz is a literal overlord jew. He has nothing to do with us.
>>78937047
This guy doesn't look like Merkel to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94syUDDhxA
Face it: it's not just Merkel, or Junkcer, or Schulz. It is the entire establishment of the EU, man with representatives of a multitude of countries.
>>78937337
There won't be a WW3, as soon as a country is on the verge of defeat it would send out nukes.
it's all coming together now
>>78937332
Our government wanting it is very different from the french wanting it. Our government has almost no support atm.
Anyway, try to remove the french army this will actually make all normies hate the EU and trigger a new revolution. No doubt. They wouldn't be so stupid.
Too bad it's bullshit though.
>>78937271
>>78936416
idiot.
>>78934840
>European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit
Not any time soon. Also, it's not that bad, as it sounds. I personally despise people, who are governing our country. Dumb and corrupt post-commie bio trash.
>>78937390
>National Socialism
Ok
>>78937271
Congratulation! You're probably the first person in this thread who actually read and understood the pdf.
I have no idea why (surprisingly only polish) people are perpetuating this misconception.
>>78937047
Shes a hardcore globalist who started showing her true face pre and with the refugee crisis. she used to be pretty hardcore conservative. or acting like it.
>>78934973
>We will therefore move further towards political union in Europe and invite the other Europeans to join us in this endeavour
>they're not even hiding it anymore. France and Germany now lead Europe together, and they've made it clear by making this document together and only then inviting 'the rest of us', the rabble.
To me it sounds more like they're finally putting the idea of the "two speed Europe" into practice 2bh fampai
Germany an France will unite, those who want will be allowed jump into the circlejerk as well, and the rest (V4?) will stay out as a kind of "second tier" Europeans.
>>78937230
>>78937216
>Hol up is this legit?
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/nn_729116/EN/Europa/Aktuell/160624-BM-AM-FRA_ST.html
this is an official page of german foreign ministry
>>78937533
Why did you think I put the echoes around (((socialism)))?
>>78937324
Its nice when a plan comes together isnt it ?
Still, its just the symptome.
>>78937450
Dude, that document was sent to Poland by and from a German minister, if I'm not mistaken?
>>78937482
>Not realizing that at this point the US and Russia probably have developed an anti ballistic missile system they've kept secret so other countries won't adapt their armaments to it
It's why Russia bothered going after Ukraine.
>>78937577
The scariest shit is again their immigration BS and the sharing of the immigrants, the usual shit Merkel wants because of HER OWN blunder to invite the whole middle east in HER COUNTRY.
For the rest, some are actually half decent like helping EU member states funding their army and cooperating etc. It seems to bring some solidarity which isn't bad on some points.
>>78934498
Can someone please give me the part where they call for a complete surrender? I can't find it. Thanks.
>>78937577
>The French taking the Germans side so they can form into a sneaky superstate
Nice try you two, but my superior American intellect has caught onto your schemes. France is only taking your side because he wants part of the empire when USSR 2.0: The Rapefugee Boogaloo happens
>>78937532
>I personally despise people, who are governing our country. Dumb and corrupt post-commie bio trash.
So..instead of electing someone else you decide to kill yourself and your country?
>>78934498
It's great that simply being German makes those of you who are mentally stuck in the year 1940 so angry.
I enjoy it greatly.
Stay mad, Polish peasants!
>>78937047
The entire thing comes from the EU, Merkel is just their attack dog who hopes she gets to join them once she gets kicked out of government. The EU is all the autocrats from across Europe and they're unelected.
>>78935023
>>boost the European economy by promoting convergence and sustainable and job-creating growth
This is just like the rhetoric that they pushed on the US through the "Partnership for a New American Economy". Their claims are the migrants have in the past possessed qualities that contributed significantly to the economy, via large investment, huge amounts of wealth and adding skilled labor, whereas the Syrian refugees have none of these things as they have to subsist almost entirely on government benefits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBUpFWi7A_Q
>>78934498
If you didn't know yet. The guy is a "recovering" alcoholic. He's probably drunk as shit.
>>78937577
Then why are V4 ministers butthurt about this letter?
>>78937862
why don't you fight back?
>>78936564
Literally no one was hiding it at any point. Read Churchill's speech in Zurich, 1946, this is what they are aiming for.
>>78937803
There's none. It's plans for more solidarity, military cooperation, have a clear EU line on global crisis (EU diplomacy being relevant), sharing migrants (REEEEE), etc.
None of the people here read that PDF or even just scanned it.
You're welcome Europe :^)
>>78937920
And coked up to the max, or methed up. like a good 25% of the EU seats
>>78937698
So? One German minister of hundreds and tens of thousands of beaurocrats in Brussels. Only a minority of them are German.
I'm starting to feel like a kike on /pol/: you control the world, EU is the German fourth Reich. Would be nice, if it was true. :^)
>>78937515
Same here though, the entire government pretty much only runs on female votes by now. Because they can get women to vote for them because of gibsmedat and virtue signaling. It's appalling.
Even then they all will have to band together, similar to Austria solely to keep this running.
>>78937577
Did you just skip the segment with the unified border patrol/coast guard and the segment on refugees?
>>78937978
the eternal anglo strikes again.
>>78934840
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
>>78937925
because it's the union France and Germany want, not the union V4 wants
Good points in the pdf:
>stop economic migration and abuse of asylum seeking system
>secure the external border(make France and Germany do the job because Italy and Greece are useless)
>make European ESTA for visa-exempt third world nationals
>>78937271
>>78937577
Please don't bring reason and evidence to a meme war. It could stop the rising of the tide and we wouldn't get 400 replies in here.
Also:
>reading the source
kek, on /pol/
>>78938000
>So? One German minister of hundreds and tens of thousands of beaurocrats in Brussels.
He represents your fucking Country and you are responsible for anything he says.
>>78934840
they're really going to do it for a third time, the absolute madmen
When exactly did Luxembourg spawn such evil? Why can't any sane countries launch a pre-emptive strike on these Sith-tier politicians?
>>78934840
To be fair. I think that actually federalizing the EU would be of more benefit compared to the current system we have. I would obviously prefer a dissolution of the union however.
>>78937974
Lots of pro-unification French and Germans in this thread.
They don't literally demand complete surrender, but they're making the movies for a unified armed forces spearheaded by the current EU superpowers.
If I were Polish, I certainly wouldn't want to get drafted into a EU army and get truckloads of refugees haphazardly dumped within what used to be my borders.
>>78937974
Merci Pierre. And I thought that I'd be to dense to find it.
The most important thing now is that Poland leaves the EU. We don't need a US agent in the EU.
>>78938275
It's the Jews.
It's always been the Jews.
It will always be the Jews.
>>78938132
Anyway fear not. All of our politics have very different opinions on the matter. What's certain is that all want either an EU reform or we get out.
The main stream parties (right and left) only hinted that they'd get out, but they're all so much into reforming that it's kind of clear, if nothing changes there'll be trouble in the EU.
This proposition that you see (which is a non event, more cooperation on some fields and only cooperation at least it's what's stated) is only from our government. Our government is losing all its grounds, it will be either the FN or the other right guys (Sarkozy & bros) who will pass in the next election, which means another construction...
>>78938275
without them it would be harder to push ideas like TTIP so US of A is protecting them
>>78937811
Hah, that's the first time I detect genuine sarcasm (I hope?) on /pol. And I thought the majority is just batshit insane here.
>>78937925
Go ask them. There is nothing about a superstate in there.
>>78938039
> unified border patrol/coast guard
That's very, very old news. There was a programm before FRONTEX. But it was discontinued because of its costs and was replaced by FRONTEX. Believe me, it's just written down what the majority of the european countries wanted for years.
>>78938350
>We don't need a US agent in the EU.
Than you should leave as well.
>>78938350
Gibmedat of EU is not going to leave even if we begged them to.
>>78934840
>European SUPERSTATE
>filled with mudslimes and niggers ruled by sharia law
What's so SUPER about that again?
>>78937577
Because the Polish national TV which was literally seized by the ruling party is now anti-EU (or rather anti-Germany because lol who cares about Portugal and Estonia) so they're spreading misinfo on purpose
>>78938410
Go pay your holohoax reparations, Hans.
>>78937900
I am not concerned about Syrian refugees, although I don't like them not fighting for their country and leaving their families behind to find an easier life here on gibsmedats. Besides: Trump would be called a Nazi in Germany for complaining about them.
I'm deebly goncerned about millions upon millions upon millions of sub-saharan African economic migrants and radical Islamic immigrants from the Middle East.
>>78938423
Who's going to pay for Eastern Poland then?
>>78936784
A singular trading block is exactly what the US wants for imposing TTIP aka French style labor reforms across the entire continent.
We need to assemble our empire, the krauts and the frogs are at it again.
>>78938182
>Germany
>building a wall to stop immigration
I can already imagine it. Flashing lights, open gates and a big sign saying "لا تتردد في الدخول"
>>78938332
It's been planned for like 30 years now... Having a military that can be deployed conjointly doesn't mean it'll work under the sole control of the EU. You'll have your army, and if all agree the sum of the EU armies will be deployed on a war theater.
Seems reasonable enough.
>>78938261
>He represents your fucking Country and you are responsible for anything he says.
Yeah, no. That's not how it works. This is not how any of this works.
Entire one world government federalization is the only hope for a united human kind retards.
EU is a model of that on a smaller scale.
>>78938462
Sources from other EU countries spread misinfo as well?
The sheer number of times France and Germany are mentioned together alone itself makes me want to vomit.
>>78938385
Obama and our Congress are corrupt puppets to their """""special interest groups""""".
>>78934498
Poland, if you value your freedom, now is the time.
>>78937198
>he called for remaking the union into a confederacy with a clear separation of competence between member states and central body that should replace the current brussel bureaucracy
And how does that imply the eastern EU states are going to create their own Union like in your pic?
He literally said "Poland's place is in the EU" in some other interview shortly after Brexit.
>>78937822
the 1940s were better though
>>78938522
Mexi...oh wait.
Chinese I guess.
>>78938569
Not content with surrendering to the Krauts before?
>>78938658
its funny that if Poland and Ukraine unite, they have larger military than Germoney. Time to for Poland to leave EU and make alliance with banderovitz.
>>78938532
This won't pass. All the french politicans don't want any part of TTIP. Even our cucked current government don't want it. You lost the TTIP battle when the UK left the union.
>>78938261
So Juncker being Luxembourgh and being the biggest Eu supporter aswell as the guy running it means, this is the Luxembourgian Reich now?
Also, what are your EU people doing, supporting this? Who'd thought! By proxxy this means you're also responsible now!
>>78938606
What sources? The British tabloids? Don't make me laugh.
>>78938724
>Trzeba utrzymać Europę państw narodowych, ale ściśle ze sobą współpracujących, najlepiej tworzących konfederację, która będzie miała potężną pięść i będzie się liczyła na świecie.
>A jeśli nie się nie uda? Dojdzie do rozpadu Unii?
>Niestety nie można tego wykluczyć
t. Great Leader
>>78938261
they dont even represent europe, they are globalists
>>78938603
It is exactly how it works. Force these fucks to take some responsibility. If they talk shit, they should resign or be forced to resign by the People. Did you forgot what Democracy is all about? Check out David Cameron on youtube.
>>78938569
I have serious doubts they could pull it off though. Just look at our own German army: what a disgrace! Real forces are a minority in the entire EU now. I could think of parts of the Polish army, special forces like SAS and KSK, the French Foreign Legion and the like. But to create a European Army to be reconned with, I don't believe in that. And I want it even less, if we're to fight Russia or their proxies with it on behalf of some neo-con, warmongering asshole in Washington. AND be brainwashed with white guilt and other toxic values at the same time.
>Nothing to fight for and defend
>No good equipment and troops
>No real goals internationally to justify military intervention
Name one bad thing about the EU becoming a single superstate?
Pro-tip: you can't.
>It's a "/pol/ only read the title" episode
>>78934840
NWO, literally.
>>78938604
Humans should only unite after trash cultures are removed.
>And this is the year where Europe united and collectively spread their assholes for Africa and Islam
I cant wait until after the inevitable war where we find Germany has built various camps that turn out to be cuck sheds for white genocide on an industrial scale.
This is the last chance Germany had.
>>78938061
This is literally against our law.
>>78938435
It would be super explosive. For kuffar.
>>78938992
I'm reading the entire thing right now, currently on the 4th page.
>>78938384
>(((Sarkozy)))
>right: as in the national interests of France and its culture, people and heritage
pick one
>>78939076
why are you resisting progress guy
>>78938791
>Also, what are your EU people doing, supporting this?
They are supporting this? Source?
>>78934498
>People are tired of the EU
>solution: more EU
Germans = autists
>>78938839
>Trzeba utrzymać Europę państw narodowych, ale ściśle ze sobą współpracujących, najlepiej tworzących konfederację
He's LITERALLY talking about the European federation, are you literally unable to read?
>>78938986
yeah I bet nothing could go wrong with mega Yugoslavia
>>78938992
"1 post by this ID"
In a glorious fit of irony, you clearly haven't browsed any of the lengthy discussion taking place in the thread.
>>78939177
Speak for yourself.
Some of us agree we need more EU, a stronger EU.
And stop confusing me with that flag you reverse-Polack
>>78934498
>Solidarity remains a cornerstone of our European project. Citizens expect that the benefits and burdens of EU membership be evenly shared among member states. A situation in which the burden of migration is unevenly carried by a limited number of member states is unsustainable. As a first step,the Dublin system has to be improved to deal with exceptional circumstances by means of a permanent and binding mechanism which foresees burden sharing among all member states.
>to deal with exceptional circumstances by means of a permanent and binding mechanism which foresees burden sharing among all member states
AHAHAHA
Next time Merkel invites some friends over no country will be able to stop her redistributing them across the whole continent.
>>78938778
Stay vigilant my froggy friend, we arent out yet and cucks are trying to drag us back in.
>>78939235
>Some of us agree we need more EU, a stronger EU.
I need more EU money. That's pretty much it.
>>78938435
It's super shit.
I thought this was what the US was for? How are they going to respond to US military bases especially in Germany?
>>78939211
The difference is Yugoslavia had a retarded ideology (Marxism)
Solidarity remains a cornerstone of our European project. Citizens expect that
the benefits and burdens of EU membership be evenly shared among member
states. A situation in which the burden of migration is unevenly carried by a lim-
ited number of member states is unsustainable. As a first step, the Dublin system
has to be improved to deal with exceptional circumstances by means of a per-
manent and binding mechanism which foresees burden sharing among all mem-
ber states. If necessary, Germany and France stand ready to proceed on this
matter with a group of like-minded partners.
>a permanent and binding mechanism which foresees burden sharing among all member states
>a permanent and binding mechanism which foresees burden sharing among all member states
>a permanent and binding mechanism which foresees burden sharing among all member states
ABANDON SHIP!!! EVERY COUNTRY IN THE EU IS GOING TO GET SWAMPED BY SHITSKIN "REFUGEES"!!! THANKS MERKEL!!!
>>78939177
Most people are actually just tired of niggers
>>78939203
>He's LITERALLY talking about the European federation, are you literally unable to read?
you tripple nigger
>Konfederacja - luźny związek państw oparty na umowie międzynarodowej w celu prowadzenia wspólnej polityki zagranicznej. Z reguły nie ma scentralizowanej władzy. Państwa tworzące konfederację pozostają suwerennymi podmiotami prawa międzynarodowego.
>>78938976
Yeah. There's literally only us who still have an actual military and it's a complete wonder because we're reducing investments a lot. Our army still manages to get decent numbers but they're running on a really low budget I think it's the only optimized sector of our whole government.
That's why if they create some kind of military investment fund I'm rather OK with it. I'd be ok with the others having a shitty military if they at least help sustaining ours.
>>78939334
yeah thats totally different
>>78938435
This. Why bother to unify Europe if Islamists are just going to take over
>>78939235
>Some of us agree we need more EU, a stronger EU.
of course welfare leeches would think that. Enjoy becoming Germany's appendix and getting flooded by refugees
>>78937532
So you want to replace corrupt commie shits with corrupt euro shits that you have no control of?
We haven't been independent for even a hundred years. Yes, we're still struggling with the Soviet fallout and our own incompetence. However, we can fix it given time and effort. I'd rather live in an impoverished shithole than see the country my ancestors fought and died for ruled over by another foreign power. Poverty brings people together; the EU has brought nothing but division.
No EU state would ever agree to fixed tax regimes or criminal law.
It'll never happen in this way. A more powerful EU body, yes i foresee, but unification of laws and internal policy? never. Not even the USA have the same laws in each state. They have federal laws and state laws.
>>78939133
Why did you during WWII?
>>78939130
I know, it's just to give people an indicator. They wouldn't know Juppé or Bruno Le Maire. Most aren't real right. Since 40 years we have no true right (in the sense of De Gaulle), despite all of them even the left claiming to be Gaullistes... kek.
fug
>>78938976
Equipment could be shit and I would fight.
Your issue was correct about motive, why fight for a society that hates white men?
You know what would happen?
Defections, lots of them.
You know.
The whole "EU" shebang might have worked out if they didn't try and turn the entire continent into the middle east + marxist trash.
>>78936408
They were fine before the Germans rolled in and purchased their industries.
>>78939232
I can follow a discussion without taking part in the memeposting-spree
>>78938778
That really is why Brexit is the biggest victory for not only Britain, but the whole of Europe, the destabilization utterly trashes all the talks despite Merkel saying she wants to push it through.
>>78934498
All is going as planned
>>78939531
He died due to gun shot though..
>>78939531
the goal was never to work out, the goal was to destroy nationhood and borders so jews can do literally whatever they feel like anywhere without resistence
>>78939370
>>78939203
>A confederation (also known as a confederacy or league) is a union of sovereign states, united for purposes of common action often in relation to other states. Usually created by treaty, confederations of states tend to be established for dealing with critical issues, such as defence, foreign relations, internal trade or currency, with the general government being required to provide support for all its members. Confederalism represents a main form of inter-governmentalism, this being defined as ‘any form of interaction between states which takes place on the basis of sovereign independence'
>A federation (also known as a federal state) is a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions under a central (federal) government. In a federation, the self-governing status of the component states, as well as the division of power between them and the central government, are typically constitutionally entrenched and may not be altered by a unilateral decision of either party, the states or the federal political body. Alternatively, federation is a form of government in which sovereign power is formally divided between a central authority and a number of constituent regions so that each region retains some degree of control over its internal affairs.
it's really not a bad thing. i don't understand yuropoors. you should be turning into the united states of yurop. the issue is that the eu is shit and there's no transparency. this is ultimately the best way to prevent you from warring with your neighbors like you always do
>>78939342
We are fucked, article 50 isnt activated and it takes 2 years. We are still in the EU.
>>78939349
I personally am tired of the endless and ludicrous regulations as well as the Euro
>>78939211
>EU's EUnite is reacting to Merkel's Mega Eurocoin
>>78939523
>Defections
Don't aim so low, a coup isn't out of the question.
"hey guys, why don't you go and kill those slavs over there who don't want our rule...we'll have a guy look after your wife"
>"how about you hang from trees instead?"
"what?"
>>78939681
I went to tankfest. Ask if you want to see pictures.
>>78938604
Unfortunately it's the wrong way of going about it. This way requires the first world nations adopt standards like that of those less developed when we should be helping them to reach ours.
>>78939531
Pretty much the only reasons I hate it.
>>78934498
All you have to do is give the refugees (After you have enough of them in) the right to vote. Then boom! You can do this through a vote.
>>78938992
You realize these kinds of documents are written entirely in euphemisms.
POST YOUR FACE WHEN THE INDEPENDENCE WAR BEGINS AND YOU ENLIST TO FIGHT THE FOURTH GERMAN REICH
>>78939770
Alternatively, stop sending fucking aid and let them starve out.
>>78939203
>>78939370
Everybody look, Polish people arguing!
>>78939342
yep. exactly nigel. homogenous population of the great fourth reich. its just like we feared. the globalists have full power soon. once hillary wins election it will be in full throttle world wide. prepare your angus.
>>78939763
plzz
>>78939379
One side I think it is absolutely shameful that we didn't fulfill our Nato quota. But on the other hand: if we look at how NATO behaves lately, especially since Ukraine, but actually long before that, how it is being transformed from a defensive alliance into an aggressive instrument of the neocons in Washington, I am surprised, we haven't left it already. Especially when you take in consideration that the NSA monitors our ggovernments 24/7, records all of their conversations, emails, everything and probably spys on our companies. And so does Britain with Echelon probably.
At the core of all these problems lies a power hungry and greedy elite, in competition with China, Russia and the rest.
>>78939531
The pdf talks about third world immigration control though
>>78939752
Modern cucks arent independent, they are servile. They will look for new masters instead.
>>78939601
Yeah that's why I want the bongs to fuck off real fast. As said that other anon.
>>78939284
>>78939667
Pretty stupid plan.
There were different nations all through the centuries and charismatic/brave/militaristic/lucky leaders who made them.
Look at how Italy was...or Germany.
>>78939841
>>78939763
do it fagget
>>78938462
Wow, who could have guessed that this is not a good idea. The ruling party of Poland has created a army of shitposters, who apparently believe ANYTHING even if given the source.
Kudos, simply kudos. The polish user base got played like a penny whistle.
The most important thing now is that we reduce the EU integration. We start by stopping the transfer of money from rich to poor countries. The people need to feel that they can keep what they've worked for.
Agreed?
>>78939901
kek.you glorious bastard
>>78939841
Are you going to switch sides again?
>>78939763
If you a thread in /p/ I'll lurk. No sense wasting valuable REEEE space on /pol/.
>>78939841
>>78940092
It will be independece for me too faggot, i wont.
>>78939904
just because brown looks homogenous to us doesnt mean it will be. they will stick to their old factions and create new ones. the only accomplishment will be the absolute destruction of the old european nations
>>78940000
it gets them everything they want. nice digits btw
THE ETERNAL GERMAN STRIKES AGAIN
>>78939492
I wonder, if we will ever get a government which ensures that we are not controlled by foreign interests and their lobbyists, NGOs and other organizations. Or if we only have the choice between being the vassal states of Washigton or Moscow and Beijing.
>>78940060
>germany talking about people being brainwashed
>>78939973
It's a populist stunt to appease the slightly agitated. It's the reason why almost all parties in our parliament have a small anti-immigration wing. It's literally nothing.
>>78939971
If you have no army r nukes, leaving nato would be a mistake.
>>78937337
>USA, UK and Russia teaming up to be allies in WWIII
much dick. Add the japs and the "axis of eu" will go down in flames
>>78939971
Nato is a complete bullshit. It's a french tradition to fuck that shit off. We were only a remote part of NATO before Sarkozy. If you get yourself together or help us fund our military we can create a EU military on par or decent enough to fight off the US or China and we'll be done with NATO.
You krauts should have told the americans to fuck off like De Gaulle did for France. They actually turned you in a vassal state the absolute madmen.
>>78939370
>>78939681
Never mind, I'm a fucking clown.
Still, he said Poland will continue being a member of the EU, so I don't get where you're getting this Intermarium meme from. Also, "niestety" in the part you quoted implies he doesn't want to see the union fall apart.
>>78939523
Exactly. It probably would be the most demoralized army in history. Fighting with your life for people who despise, insult and hate you. - Na...
>>78939841
>>78940072
as long as you don't chimpout when we tax your banks and corporations
The most egregious thing about this is the typesetting. Looks like a 6th grader typed it up in Word.
>>78939583
>I have no clue of what I am talking about
the post
I feel physical sick when I read this shit.
This is not the country I grew up with. This is not what I learned in school.
DAS
IST
NICHT
MEIN
LAND
>>78937511
we get to be neutral state in a great war?
that mean we can supply both sides?
>>78940364
As long as you don't complain when we stop the Russia sanctions and build a few more pipelines.
>>78936408
you fucking autist, germany fined Greece for being too inhumane in border control, then requested that they halve their military spending, then proceeded to whine about the mediocre job in controlling the borders.
Also how are the lazy fingolians doing?
Heard you are having an economical crisis.
Why are you slacking ?
>>78940060
At least we have sources. You usually have none due to censorship.
>>78938182
Bad points in the pdf:
>Makes us slaves
>Removes armies making them EUs own
>Even more stupid directives
>>78934498
>EU super state
Do you mean super pussy state?
>Poland start shit with Germany
Wait...
>>78940060
You can sy they believe anything, but they werent the retards believing "refugees" were welcome in their country and that they would be kind, law abiding citizens.
Your army is spending time building beds, your children cleaning linen and your women are fucking them, those who arent are raped.
Germany has no right to accuse others of poor judgement.
>>78939175
Do you have definite proof that your EU Commisioner and other EU people are against this and actively working to stop this? Otherwise it's safe to assume that given this benefits them, they're in support of it the same as all the other EU autocrats are.
>>78940497
Can we bomb that pipeline that is crossing our territory?
>>78940505
>censorship
They have worse, it's brainwashing.
At least people in the USSR knew it was bullshit, modern Germans just believe everything they're told and that everybody who doesn't agree is evil and wants to destroy the earth.
Cult = state edition.
>>78937482
History is littered with new technologies that made people think war was an impossibility. Nukes haven't even been around 100 years yet. There will be another full scale war. Violence and destruction is human nature. Never forget that.
>>78940583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YTe5YNHBQA
>>78939851
That too. At best we should only give them farming equipment and education technology, not food and medicine or goods.
>>78940180
We'll actually probably get it. There are way too many factors to stimulate a comeback. The islamists, the rise (and ongoing fall, at least economically) of China, the (slow) rise of India, the creation of scary trade deals everywhere (see TTIP), the stupid rulings against freedom in our countries (most notably is the internet), the actually retarded behavior of Merkel (she changed opinion in 48h in the face of the WHOLE WORLD) and is very aggressive in turning other EU countries in vassals.
If after all of this and with all this going on, none of us get a leader with an actual backbone we're fit for destruction. We deserve it.
>>78940616
Does NATO even trigger if you attack Russia first?
>>78940642
>History is littered with new technologies that made people think war was an impossibility.
like?
I really do believe that once again Germany will start WWIII.
Instead of facsim it will be liberalism.
Getmany/EU will use military force to put refugees in Europe and it will kick off.
And hopefully Trump will be in charge by tgen because Trump will jump in just like we did in the other World Wars.
And once again it will be America, Britain, and Russia vs the bad guys
>>78939531
i'd support it
>>78937511
>neutral uk
Do you really think Merkel and the jews will ever forgive you?
>>78940704
>Kurwin
>relevant
>>>/wykop/
>>>/karachuj/
>>78940199
A sovereign nation could change both. The technology behind nukes is actually simple. But we would have to change our entire mindset and political culture. A European Switzerland would be a dream, but our political establishment never went down that way although the idea was on the table several times. Nevertheless this whole transatlantic bond to Washington and the involvement in this failed project called EU has gotten us nothing but hate and problems. And since the USSR is gone and it would actually be in our vital interests to cooperate with Russia, I see no reason why we shouldn't become a European Switzerland, get some nukes, build a respectable army and abolish the EU. People can then take care of their interests and affairs as they see fit. Global trade and cooperation don't need self-destructive ideologies to work out.
>>78937532
You must realize you'd be going back into the same system that commie trash emerged from. It'd be just like the soviet union except under german control.
>>78938319
Fucking sweden, you keep surprising us how cucked you are. I'm ashamed to admit I have some swedish ancestry.
>>78939055
yep, nice dubs.
>krauts still hoping to stop pan-slavia from happening
