Is God real?
I've had this weird feeling in the back of my mind that maybe he isn't. Thoughts?
>>78907878
I believe in 2 Gods.
/thread sage the slide threads
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>>78898573
>>78907878
Yes. Dna is too complex to evolve from nothing for no reason. Dna is the proof of god
>>78907878
Yes. God is real. The physical laws that allow for us to exist didn't just magic into existence. That's silly. For example, we don't really know why opposite electromagnetic charges attract each other with a force of (kQ1Q2)/r^2 at a specific value of k. But if they didn't do that, we would cease to exist.
That's because God did it, and if you don't believe in Him, you're going to Hell.
>>78908080
why would someone go to hell for not believing a god?
>>78908193
magic
Yes, Jesus Christ is the Son of God and if you trust in Him and repent of your sins you will be saved.
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9)
Don't listen to Satan's servants, or the Jews, who constantly mock Jesus and encourage atheism. Don't be fooled by their silver forked tongues.
Listen instead to the words of Jesus Christ.
>>78907878
Of course he's real, hes called Allah.
>>78908193
Because God hates people who don't believe in Him despite the overwhelming evidence. Their hearts have hardened and become calcified to God; it says so in the Bible.
There is a god but its not our human concept of "God". Humans lack the capacity to even conceive what it would look like.
Probably no guy with white beard that is in the sky who looks over us. Probably some super natural entity that exists outside our universe and responsible for the creation of the universe. Good enough for me.
>>78907878
Is god real. I don't know, but why would everything just "happen", just come from nothing?
So there was just nothing and, for no reason, it just happned? Why? Why bother having anything when there was nothing before, and forever before that?
Why anything?
I feel that there's something that always was and always will be, but we are doomed to wander forever, never fully understanding it.
>>78908233
This is a common misconception. "Allah" is the muslim god, but doesn't really exist. Jesus is the Christian God, and he does exist. I can see where you could make that mistake, but now you know better and can repent from your sins to Christ. I just saved you one very long trip to Hell; you're welcome!
>>78907878
>is something that cannot be proven to be real, real?
Shitposting isn't allowed on 4chan.
>>78908080
The stupidity in this post is astounding. You believe in a 'bad place' for sinners while simultaneously doing some kind of pseudo-scientific mental gymnastics about probability.
You realize the fine-tuning of the universe and its mathematical nature are not hard to randomly come by? There could be an infinite amount of universes where gravity doesn't exist, or magnetism, or whatever else and there would still be a complex system evolving over time.
Plus the fact that you god-believers can ONLY EVER RESORT TO ONE SINGLE POINT THAT YOU ALSO USE AS THE BASIS OF YOUR OWN ARGUMENT SHOWS YOUR COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
>LE HOW DOES DNA COME FROM NOTHING
It doesn't there's a very complex process involving millions of years and there are a few outlying issues that we haven't quite worked out yet.
>NAH PHAM GOD DID IT
Well where the fuck did god come from
>WE JUST ALWAYS WAS
So you think a single celled organism is too complex to form yet you believe an incomprehensible super-mutant sky lord who knows everything can just always exist.
>>78908329
muh bible. I was talking about god not a man made religion. Why would a god care whether someone worships them?
>>78908415
are shitposts real???
>>78908193
Same reason people who don't make the bus have to walk.
>>78908371
>Probably no guy with white beard that is in the sky who looks over us.
Yeah the Bible never says God looks like that.
>Probably some super natural entity that exists outside our universe and responsible for the creation of the universe. Good enough for me.
Yep that's what the Bible says. See you at church!
>>78908398
Not an Argument. You have no evidence to back up your claim.
>>78908461
>implying that your kike book is true
>
>>78908080
okay but how does this prove your version of god exists and not someone elses?
there's a compelling emotional or psuedorational argument that a divine creator exists but there's no argument, rational or otherwise to prove specifically christianity or islam or judaism or whichever other belief you subscribe to.
>>78908440
God hates you. You're going to Hell.
>>78908431
>There could be an infinite amount of universes where gravity doesn't exist, or magnetism, or whatever else and there would still be a complex system evolving over time.
[[citation needed]], there's no evidence of any other universe but this one. That's evidence of your own cognitive dissonance, heathen
>and there are a few outlying issues that we haven't quite worked out yet.
God.
>Well where the fuck did god come from
Look up the Divine Simplicity. God is infinitely simple and unchanging, thus there is no need to explain His existence. It would be the same process as explaining the existence of nothing; an exercise in mortal futility.
>So you think a single celled organism is too complex to form
I don't think that. I study Biology so I know that single celled organisms evolved due to natural processes. But those processes were set into motion by the God of Abraham. So says the Bible.
>>78908635
I know it in my heart to be true. If you were a Christian, you would know it to.
>>78908080
>The physical laws that allow for us to exist didn't just magic into existence. That's silly. For example, we don't really know why opposite electromagnetic charges attract each other with a force of (kQ1Q2)/r^2 at a specific value of k. But if they didn't do that, we would cease to exist.
And what can we independently test this?
No, but the jews are real.
and they must be stopped.
>>78908193
>You are a sinner.
>You have broken God's laws.
>You are a criminal.
>Helpless in your sin.
>You cannot pay your fine.
>Your sin is against God.
>God is infinite.
>Crimes against God require infinite punishment.
>Jesus is born of a virgin.
>God Himself in human form.
>Infinite in finite.
>Perfection within imperfection.
>Jesus never sins.
>Jesus keeps God's law perfectly.
>Jesus dies as a sacrifice for all men.
>Jews rejoice, having killed God.
>God resurrects His Son 3 days later.
>Jesus has conquered death and Hell.
>In human form.
>Now all humans who believe in Him will too.
>All who trust Christ will never die.
>All who trust Christ will have their sins paid for.
>All who trust Christ will dwell with God forever in paradise.
That's why you go to Hell if you reject Christ.
>>78908699
what causes you to know it to be true?
genuinely curious, for the longest time I've wanted to sit down and talk to an ardent believer who was willing to have their faith scrutinised like this without devolving to hysterics
>>78907878
>Anon it's you
>You, me, the universe and everything else is god
>satan is merely an antipattern that's why it destroys god
>>78907878
My only god is Lord KEK
Succ
>>78908833
Lord Kek has shown through the numbers.
Lord Kek has bestowed many gifts.
Lord Kek is /comfy/
Lord Kek doesn't give two fucks
Lord Kek will destroy the Kike
So say we all
>>78908607
Good goy.
>>78908780
Lol
>>78908063
>Dna is too complex to evolve from nothing for no reason.
>DNA is too complex
>literally just some phosphor acid, sugar and 4 bases
>too complex
>>78908975
"Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour." (Proverbs 14:9)
>>78909006
>Austrian education
>>78908461
>see you at church
Yeah, but church basically teaches you to believe in magic, and isn't magic satan's work?
>#churchfags BTFO
Believing in God is the most logical conclusion.
Read Aquinas.
Atheism is a phase.
God bless.
>>78909006
Just stop.
>>78909144
>read a book written by a person
>this validates space overlords
I'd rather read some tolkien, desu famalamadingdong.
>>78909144
>Read Aquinas.
>mfw
>>78909198
That picture doesn't really refute what I said.
>>78909198
looks like smurf ebola
Yea he's real and hopefully he'll flood all our god damn degenerate societies.
>>78909198
>what is the argument from ignorance
>>78909316
Yes it does. DNA doesn't form naturally out of the components. It requires extremely complicated and large amounts of biological mechanisms to retain that structure and to replicate.
>>78908645
> there's no evidence of any other universe but this one.
We can tell the Universe is expanding, thus meaning there was a beginning point.
>God is infinitely simple and unchanging
So how could the universe have a beginning if it's infinitely unchanging? How do you know this is true anyway? If it's so simple how does nobody have ANY proof of ANY god EVER?
> It would be the same process as explaining the existence of nothing
No, it would be the process of explaining how an infinitely powerful and infinitely knowledgeable being pops into existence and creates light, land and mankind. Oh and talking snakes. And space, and blackholes and dark matter and eyeball parasites all 6 days, with a day to rest at the end cause he's just pooped after a long week of being all-powerful.
> I study Biology
Another one of you people. How can you study science all day and still hold onto these childish fairy tale beliefs. Are you just that much of a coward that you NEED the idea of paradise and being better than other people to get through your miserable life? Is the only point of your existence to try and prove your fairy tales through science? You never will.
>God.
People slap God into the empty space whenever we don't understand something. God used to control weather, now we know it's natural. God used to control crop growth, now we know it's weather-based. God used to control day/night, now we know it's Earth's rotation/orbit. God used to be the answer to mankind's origin, now we know it was Evolution. And you're still trying to shove the God non-answer into the cracks even now, when we know it doesn't fit. God is a non-answer. Saying God did it is the equivalent of me just going NO JACK BLACK DID IT LALALALALA. That's not an answer, it just raises more questions, like why is there not a second Tenacious D movie.
Literally every argument you have I can guarantee has been refuted hundreds if not thousands of times. Go watch some Atheist Experience with Matt Dillahunty...
>>78909316
>>78909350
>>78909216
>>78909114
ITT
>>78907878
Doesn't god directly conflict with pol's white supremacy views? If all humans were created in god's image, then we're all equal and there is no master race.
>>78909350
You're ignorant if you don't believe in God, so any argument you make is automatically an argument from ignorance.
>The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." (Psalm 14:1)
>>78908375
The bible, pieced together from word of mouth accounts over 200 years after they happened, the bible which was carefully edited to conveniently set up the church as one of the most powerful institutions in human history. The Bible that was hand transcribed for over a thousand years until the printing press? That bible? I would cross check my sources before getting in too deep son.
>>78907960
FUCK OFF YOU GOD DAMN CHINK
FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK
OOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>>78909452
>I don't know how DNA works, therefore God dun made it
Great 'wisdom' you got there
>>78909485
>Implying niggers are human.
>>78909100
how is he wrong though?
>>78907878
God is absolutely, undeniably real.
Dogma is a bunch of shit though.
>Classical Theist master race.
>>78909144
Thomas Aquinas has been beaten by the fucking Amazing Atheist for christ's sake. He's a moron pseudo-scientists from back when most people were illiterate fucktards.
The fact that you retards still namedrop Aquinas just shows how you can be refuted and beaten a million times and STILL keep making the SAME RETARDED ATTEMPTS AT ARGUMENTS.
>>78909385
>"Yes it does."
>follows with a sentence that explains something that has nothing to do with his picture
>or with the alleged complexety of DNA
>>78909538
I understand how it works. I just don't think it could've "evolved" to exist. It had to have been created by a higher being.
>>78909485
>he doesn't know that Christians have understood genesis to be allegorical for thousands of years
>>78907878
God as Christianity and Islam portray him is basically the definition of infinity.
Like the universe, or what ever is out there.
Imagine if there is only one universe and its expanding, so its basically infinite if its expanding (just like infinity if you write it down as a number, like this symbol ∞)
Now imagine that the universe is self conscious and a tiny tiny tiny tiny fragment of it is life on this planet.
''So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.''
Maybe the image it is meant was the image of the mind, gave us a peace of it yet also gave free will.
Maybe the free will is that image because it is the purest thing a divine can give.
Also God is something that knows it all because it has created all and it basically is all.
Like the things no mind on earth can change, mathematics, physics...
Those are laws nobody can change. 2 + 2 will always be 4 no matter how hard you want it to be 5. That law is eternal and you cant change it.
Thats where the authority comes from, or the solid law that is there to stay.
Even an edgy science loving atheist that wants to be his own god cant change things like that and if by science you can prove that the universe is self conscious, there is the God for him to find.
>>78909590
Yes it does. You said word for word "literally just some phosphor acid, sugar and 4 bases".
There's a lot more to it than that. You're not even trying with this bait m8.
>>78907878
You'll know soon ;)
>>78909439
>We can tell the Universe is expanding, thus meaning there was a beginning point.
One beginning point. One universe. No evidence of any other big bangs, or any other universes. Argument destroyed.
God is unchanging, but he decided to make a universe which does change through time. Or at least, we perceive it that way. But God can't suddenly decide to be evil, or unjust. That's what I meant by unchanging, or "divinely simple" (self-sufficient existence)
You can't expect the Bible to reflect a knowledge of science. Science was made by humans, and it's advanced very quickly in the past few centuries. The Bible was written thousands of years ago, and God isn't Bill Nye the Science Guy; he's God.
>>78909592
>I just don't think it could've "evolved" to exist. It had to have been created by a higher being.
And this is a statement you provide no evidence for, and isn't even testable in the first place, which makes it as relevant as the opinion of a garbageman on nuclear physics
>>78908375
If something created from nothing is such a great mystery, and God explains that mystery, then the question "where did god come from?" is an even bigger mystery.
>>78909538
"Well said my son. Please do not let these religious fools bother you anymore. You should devote your time to Black Lives Matter and helping our African brothers. We all came from Africa anyway."
>>78909700
Idk, I even have a hard time believing RNA could've just "evolved" to exist.
The whole thing is extremely sketchy. It must have came here from somewhere or been created by a higher power.
Far more plausible.
>>78908780
Jesus commits at least one deadly sin in the Bible, Wrath (probably others as well).
>>78909778
Wrath of God isn't a sin. God's wrath should be feared by all men.
i have a hard time believing shitposts couldve just "evolved" to exist
>>78909752
Can you tell me where I've said this?
>>78909452
>i like to quote human beings in the absence of actual divine influence
>divine influence is anything i can't explain or fully understand
can you prove I'm not jesus?
guess you're gonna need to have FAITH that I am, lad.
>>78909592
Wow that being must be pretty complex to have created everything.
If he's that complex he must have been created by something, by your logic.
So who created god?
And don't tell me no one created him, because I'm using your logic here.
"As an Atheist I am not bound by primitive notions such as racism or nationalism. I know that race isn't real. What we need to focus on right now is the persecution of black people in America by law enforcement officers."
>>78909828
You would know better than anyone in the northern hemisphere.
>>78909752
>terrible strawman
You must be gay, not because you've said so anywhere but because you're acting like an immature faggot and so I'm just going to call you one.
>>78909656
>You said word for word "literally just some phosphor acid, sugar and 4 bases".
That's what DNA is.
You posted a picture of DNA forming to a chromosome. That doesn't really influence what that DNA is made of. But I guess basic biology is magic to the god fearing American.
>>78909770
>I even have a hard time believing RNA could've just "evolved" to exist.
Which, again, isn't evidence for or against anything.
>>78909699
There is no God. I checked.
cue Fedora Guy meme XD LOL!!!1!!
>>78909653
>God as Christianity and Islam portray him is basically the definition of infinity.
Glad this is made clear. Infinity is basically standing in a dark room, not being able to see very far and concluding that the darkness goes on forever.
>>78909850
God doesn't exist only in this plane and inside these 3 dimensions. I know its difficult to grasp, but there are actually multiple dimensions and multiple levels of reality that we can't access as human beings. God exists in a plane where he can see everything and know everything, throughout time and space.
>>78909834
>can you prove I'm not Jesus?
The False Religion arm represents you in this context.
>>78909743
i think the big bang theory says that everything that exist, all the matter, the energy and something else (i know that there were 3 things) all was packed into some small tiny ball, smaller than an atom, so small that if it got smaller it wouldnt exist.
Then it got so small that it was big as a dot in one dimensional world and it exploded into everything.
1 dot in in 1 dimensional world doesnt have any proportions, its a dot, infinitely small, yet it is defined as a dot, just like in 2d world a line is infinitely thin (thick as a dot)
>>78909752
Dawkins never wore that shirt. Just stop trying so hard.
>>78909595
>he doesn't know that Christians have understood genesis to be allegorical for thousands of years
If it's an allegory, then the meaning or morals behind the statement "we were all created in god's image" must mean that we were all created equally as humans and that no one race is better than the other. checkmate christfags.
>>78907878
Saint of Killers, do your job!
>>78907878
I don't know. I just try not to be a dick and hope if there is a god, that whoever he is he appreciates that even if I never could manage to figure out which of the hundreds of gods I know of I'm supposed to pray to.
>>78909778
Actually it was "zeal." (John 2:17)
And if you think wrath isn't coming, think again. Read Revelation 19.
>>78907878
He's real but probably nobody has been right on identifying what he actually is yet.
>>78908063
Majority of DNA, particularly human DNA serves no real purpose. If God created DNA intentionally, he couldn't be any more of a fuck up.
>>78910012
How can you call me a false religion when you haven't first proven yours real?
>>78909922
I didn't post that.
But you saying thats literally all DNA is hurrr
IS NOT TRUE.
The form matters. You could have phosphor acid, sugar and 4 bases and get RNA. The form makes the function. So the structure of DNA, which is extremely complex and requires an enormous amount of biological mechanisms to exist along with the core components is what DNA is.
Seriously stop ignoring this. Human beings aren't just Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Sulfur. We're our structure as well. Like you're logic is so stupid I'm not responding to whatever you say next, because you're just being silly.
>>78909929
Okay stalemate, since there is no evidence that can prove DNA actually evolving.
>>78909699
>One beginning point. One universe. No evidence of any other big bangs, or any other universes
One beginning point per universe, yeah no shit Sherlock. No evidence of other big bangs because we can't detect other universes. You don't seem to understand the vastness of space at all.
So let me get this straight; we inhabit the one single universe that exists, made by a being that exists OUTSIDE OF TIME AND SPACE, existing before anything possibly could exist. And from literally nothing he creates infinity?
Why could there not be other universes in alternate dimensions/realities? The multiverse theory actually makes sense, unlike your little god did it garbage. If God came from outside of time and space and can exist inside of non-existence, then aren't you just bending words and playing a semantics game so that it's impossible to disprove? I can do that all day buddy.
>You can't expect the Bible to reflect a knowledge of science. Science was made by humans.
So was the FUCKING BIBLE. Jesus Christ man. They didn't even know Kangaroos existed when the bible was written. The whole book is a collection is symbolism and stories not meant to be taken literally, then twisted and rewritten over time to push a narrative and control sheep like you.
>>78910003
And you know this how?
>>78907878
No of course not. Think for once, you fucking cuck.
>>78910197
>Okay stalemate, since there is no evidence that can prove DNA actually evolving.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
>>78910064
Mr. Ham is disappointed with you
>>78909566
The adult human body contains a hundred trillion different cells of varying sizes. Ten thousand average sized human cells could fit on the head of a pen. Every single cell contains information equivalent to about 4,000 books. The information in all the cells in one adult in book form would completely fill the grand canyon 75 times.
The cell is similar to a supercomputer but at a microscopic size. The cell could also be viewed as an amazingly miniature city, with an elaborate network of connected assembly lines with numerous molecular protein machines carrying out different tasks which make the cell work.
8,000,000 cellular flagella could fit inside the cross-section of a human hair, and each flagella is incredibly complex with 9 different functioning parts.
It's all simply too complex and precisely ordered to a degree far beyond human understanding to have occurred without cause and anyone who disagrees is intellectually dishonest. There's no reason for us to occur in the natural world.
>>78910064
The meaning or morals behind the statement is that each human has an equal opportunity to achieve salvation you dumb nigger.
>>78910240
Modern quantum mechanics, religious books, and esoteric wisdom lead me to this conclusion.
[spoiler]also dmt[/spoiler]
>>78907878
that feeling in the back of your mind is satan's scaly cock skullfugging you
>>78910015
But the big bang doesn't attempt to explain everything, just the start of our universe, not the start of everything. For example, There could be many universes (multiverse theory), there could be cycles of universes, there could be universes being created and destroyed all the time... There's thousands of theories.
ITT A bunch of morons who were raised religious and are too stupid to consider that their beliefs are not rooted in reason but in adherence to tradition
>>78910287
lmao
That link has nothing to do with how DNA came to be.
The process of animal evolution is a completely different topic.
Damn, you guys really are stupid. Not gonna respond to whatever else you have to say, because apparently we're not even talking about the same thing.
>>78910079
See that's it. Even if God exists, he'd send everyone who didn't believe in him (on the shit evidence that supposedly gives proof of God) straight to hell. And the whole idea of hell is literally the most evil thing imaginable. That's why it's fake. Christianity was a tool for men to control people with. Why do you think the Romans made it the official religion ? Bc Rome got overpopulated as fuck and the emperor needed a way to unite the people. So they cut out the gospels they didn't like and kept the ones that fit how they wanted the people to act. It's amazing how you people can be brainwashed two thousand years after retarded illiterates were cucked into it.
>>78910168
Because God has already proven Himself to you, you're just hard-hearted and hate Him so you ignore what He says. All of creation glorifies God, the trees, the air, the sun, moon, stars, everything you see glorifies and points to God.
But your wicked devilish heart says "PROVE IT!!" and when God says "Come to me" you say "NO!!!"
>>78910422
"Well said fellow redditor. Posting this to /r/atheism right now."
>>78910431
>That link has nothing to do with how DNA came to be.
And how DNA came to be has nothing to do with your previous statement
>there is no evidence that can prove DNA actually evolving
You claimed that DNA isn't changing right now, you said nothing about its origins. Way to move goalposts
>>78910291
>It's all simply too complex and precisely ordered to a degree far beyond human understanding to have occurred without cause and anyone who disagrees is intellectually dishonest. There's no reason for us to occur in the natural world.
lmao
it's not even remotely "complex" or "precisely ordered" you just ascribe these properties to it because you lack understanding of how they work.
Let me guess, subatomics is also evidence of god, amirite?
>>78910475
Speculative.
Maybe God meant that if you don't believe in him you will be led astray and end up in hell.
Maybe that explains why religious people are usually happier than atheists.
Also, usually more successful than their fedora-sporting counterparts.
Maybe God left everyone a list of commandments that ensure a successful and happy life, as well as a successful and happy nation.
>>78910197
>Like you're logic is so stupid I'm not responding to whatever you say next, because you're just being silly.
No need to throw a hissy fit, buddy.
>>78907878
i dont know if "god" is real, but something must be real.
i find it hard to believe that the universe poofed into existence
>>78910431
>The process of animal evolution is a completely different topic.
But we're all animals in the sense we're all biologically interrelated.
>>78910478
Nothing you mentioned in your post proves God exists let alone glorifies him
>>78910398
I like the multiverse theory or the universe cycle theory.
One universe gets dot small and explodes, the other gets so big and starts to shrink into the dot. There is a rhythm of some kind but we are now too small to discover it in therms of science.
>>78910538
You baited me in again.
>And how DNA came to be has nothing to do with your previous statement
Yes it does, this is why I'm telling you we're in a miscommunication.
I'm pondering on the origin of DNA; how DNA came to be. I'm not considering the evolution of biological species.
Okay now I'm not responding.
>>78910637
No. DNA is not an animal. It is a chemical structure. God damn swedish education.
>>78910478
>People who are irreligious or follow a different faith to Christianity cannot be successful
>The implication that requiring evidence is somehow bad
>>78910531
>Being so bereft of an argument you shitpost instead.
>God tells the sun where to go and it obeys.
>God tells the waves where to stop and they obey.
>God tells the earth how fast to rotate and it obeys.
>God tells the stars where to go and they obey.
>God tells the weather what to do and it obeys.
>God commands the angels and they obey.
>God restricts Satan and he obeys.
>God says to you "trust and obey" and you say "FUCK YOU NO!!! PROVE YOU'RE REAL!!!!"
How do you not deserve Hell?
>>78910291
>The meaning or morals behind the statement is that each human has an equal opportunity to achieve salvation you dumb nigger.
And if you truly believed that you would treat all humans with the same respect that god would give us instead of creating a hierarchy of races. God would say to be accepting and loving of all races.
It's easier to say that god doesn't exist some races are inferior because evolution caused the brain to evolve differently.
Wait wait wait.
So if the infinite number of parallel universes is true, does that mean in one of those universes, humans have proven god is real?
>>78910291
The grand Canyon comment shows your true color. Creationism is an American fundamentalist political narrative created solely to fill the pockets of the ones invested in it. It's praying on your gullibility and your petty need to justify your own faith.
If you truly believed in God you would not feel the need to explain him with science, nor take the bible literally. Your struggling to convince yourself, not others.
>>78910478
>god has proven himself to me or anyone else
the hell he has. he's a fictional character in a book full of fictional characters.
at what point in your life did you stop asking for proof of claim?
are you mentally still a 10 year old?
the real world works based upon proven mechanics. religion is a nebulous fantasy, incoherent and unsubstantiated.
you sound like a crook, a criminal, a conman.
>>78910706
I'm not your enemy, fellow American. You misinterpreted my post.
>>78910722
Provide evidence god does any of those things.
>>78909518
>FedorAutism
The Bible wasn't even mentioned you fucking mong.
>TFW edgy atheists think disproving fogma disproves a Creator.
>>78909589
I'm not going to watch some fat faggot verbally masturbate himself, but I am willing to read your summary of how Natural things exist because reasons.
>>78909439
>the universe is expanding
In all directions. Away from earth. As redshift shows.
I'm more than happy to concede that that earth isn't the center of the universe, as long as you concede redshift theory is bullshit.
>Supernatural beings aren't allowed to pop into natural existence
>Natural existence is allowed to pop into natural existence
Whew, lad
>Biology
>science
Most biology is taxonomy, not science you uneducated prick. Evolutionary theory is 100% taxonomy and 0% science (I personally still choose to believe in evolution).
>Muh God of the gaps (featuring absolutely terrible examples)
>Atheism winz 5evar because we solve it eventually.
Zip up, your tautology is showing
>>78909743
See: natural vs supernatural earlier in this post.
>>78910746
You can not prove something that is not falsifiable.
>>78910746
There isn't a truly infinite number of universes, off the top of my head it was last vaguely "defined" as approximating 10^500 if I'm remembering the number right
>>78910787
Is there a reason why you dont want God to exist?
>>78910787
You seem to only consider the secular world and ignore completely the spiritual realm, which we are hear to prepare for entrance.
>>78910746
They did it in this one, have done for centuries.
>>78909814
That's actually pretty fair, but don't expect me to convert over it.
yes
>>78910705
If you like that concept, you might enjoy some Hindu texts.
http://www.irreligion.org/2010/12/07/common-arguments-made-by-religious-people-refuted/
Literally took 5 seconds to google "basic religious arguments refuted" and this is the first link. If you people actually took time to read a little bit or watch a couple of science shows on tv you might be able to wrap your head around the fact the the universe is far too complicated and amazing to just throw a "god did it" at it and call it a day. You're discrediting the amazing potential of nature and the reality we live in and indulging in the sin of PRIDE by assuming you have it all figured out you dumb hypocrites.
>>78910706
Again:
>>there is no evidence that can prove DNA actually evolving
'Evolving' means the change of something that already exists, not how something originated. Besides, if you present the origin of DNA as evidence for anything, that's another argument from ignorance, as nothing is known about that.
It would be like presenting black holes as evidence for Shiva. Knowledge is based on information, not a lack thereof
>>78910867
The same reason you don't start praising some random hobo as the second coming of Jesus. Why would you willingly buy into a lie.
>>78910722
And people like THIS are what makes religion dangerous and a cancer upon civilization.
Your judgement over someone who doesn't want to participate in your insanity is virtually identical to how idiots like ISIS operate.
Do you understand? Blind faith leads to zealotry and fanatical murder of non-believers.
Gas yourself.
>>78910873
I can't wait to hear the scientifically credible proof you have Australia.
>>78910894
Religion is silly.
You can believe in Jesus Christ without being religious.
Spirituality is very beneficial to life.
>>78910873
Citation
>>78910787
>>78910590
>successful and happy life
>God cares ab what I do with my penis
>God doesn't want me to use condoms
>God doesn't want me to covet, yet that it the entire basis of capitalism and American Culture soooo
>religious autists BTFO
That's a shit comeback man. You think the bible gives you good morals and leads you to a happy life bc you've either been taught all the nice pretty, cuddly Jesus loves you and stuff, or you haven't actually read the bible bc it's pretty fucked up.
>yfw Jesus tells you to literally hate your entire family and give up all possessions and only love him. Why is God so insecure
>>78910746
there is one where I rape you in the butt
>>78910867
The real question is why do you want God to exist?
Tell us, what evil deeds have you done that you seek salvation from?
That's the real reason people need a God.
They want to be forgiven for being absolutely terrible irresponsible shit people.
>>78910945
Oh I'm sorry I used the wrong word.
But also: you're retarded.
I was saying there is no way to prove DNA came to be naturally. It is more likely that it was created by a higher power.
>>78911008
I can't tell if this is ironic or not.
>>78910956
Go back to r.eddit. Moral relativism & harm-based morality (i.e. ignoring the categorical imperative) is the real cancer, and it comes directly from atheism.
>>78911013
I know you're obsessed with the pursuit of flesh, but you'll never find lasting happiness from sex.
>>78910966
Go away (((Satan)))
"He who is not with me is against me." (Luke 11:23)
"Few people find eternal life...For not everyone who calls me 'Lord' will enter heaven but only he that does the will of my Father." (Matthew 7:14, 21)
"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!" (James 2:19)
>>78911056
>But also: you're retarded.
I'm not the one who proves claims based on a lack of evidence
>>78911056
>I don't understand how something can happen in a natural way so it seems reasonable that a wizard did it with magic.
>>78911008
Both are rigth and wrong.
God created the big bang and from this point life took its way.
/ end of all debates.
>>78911124
Okay Mr. Jew
So which church is the true church??
Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox???
Or is your body God's temple and the B.I.B.L.E his word and your guide?
>>78910956
>Talking shit about religion
>Says "gas yourself" unironically.
>>78910705
I think the true nature of everything is too complex for us to understand. our brains didn't evolve to comprehend things on such a grand scale. Even the physics that we do understand, most people are completely incapable of comprehending it.
It would be like a chimp trying to understand the nature of our solar system. It's a relatively simple concept for us to understand, but an chimp could never comprehend anything outside of it's immediate surroundings.
>>78911088
>you're bad
>you're going to hell for being bad
>i'm just going to kill you because you're bad and going to hell anyway
>god will forgive me for sending sinners to be judged
Christians and Muslims are identical in their rationalization of violent judgement.
>>78910117
Oh, like evolution?
(shitstorm brewing)
>>78911159
>God dun it
Prove it. Provide evidence for this statement.
>>78911103
I doubt I'll find happiness talking to myself and wasting my life worshiping a lie
>>78911155
Hah, its unlikely and leading scientists are scratching their head about it.
Leading theory is it got here from a meteor.
>>78910841
Expansion doesn't have a center. You can pick any point in the universe and the universe will appear to expand from that point.
>>78910960
It's all in Aquinas, if you really need a one-stop shop. Maybe look at Aristotle's Physics, if you're looking for someone who gets most of the way there without being personally pre-committed to monotheism.
>>78911223
>what are fossilized bunnies from the Cambrian
>>78911187
All the churches have been corrupted, but God has preserved Himself a remnant who still love Him and are born of Him.
No church has a monopoly on God anymore. Now the body of Christ is identified by their regenerate nature and hatred for sin.
>>78911223
>Drug resistant bacteria
>Vestigial organs
>DNA proximity to other organisms
>The fossil record
>Divergent evolution
>Finch beaks
>>78911328
The bible is no more evidence for God than my Transformer's comic is evidence for optimus prime.
Does anyone have any actual evidence of god? And you better not say "the bible".
>>78911373
K, so religion is stupid and spirituality is better.
Asking "which church is the right church" is a question that stems from brainwashing.
The church of Jesus Christ is led by Jesus Christ, not any man. Those who follow Jesus Christ and worship Him in spirit and truth are His church.
>>78911159
This is the only way I can understand how someone can claim to believe in both science and God at the same time. That said, there need not be a God for the big bang to have occurred. Our idea of a beginning to the universe only makes sense to us because we view time as flowing linearly and because the laws of physics state that something can not be created from nothing. Before the universe, however, neither of these concepts really make any sense since they only exist in our universe. Therefore, based on whatever there was before there was a universe, if anything, it is entirely possible that the big bang was caused by nothing at all. It all depends on what you choose to believe.
>>78911410
the koran
>>78911159
No, God never existed, deal with it. Fucking sand nigger.
>>78910117
Addendum:
Isn't science constantly trying to prove the existence of theorized particles they can't detect?
And when the do, don't they theorize new particles to detect?
Should we have never seriously considered anything smaller than an atom without significant evidence?
Because apparently philosophers (which are what any theoretical scientists are before being vindicated) have been pushing the envelope of science since before we named it "science".
>>78911328
Aquinas' and Aristotles' reasoning is based around linear causality and teleology. Neither of these concepts are testable
Also, the unmoved mover doesn't address the problem of induction
>>78911384
Sure. But neither Aquinas nor Aristotle are the Bible. They give arguments for heathens without the gift of faith. Aristotle isn't even Abrahamic.
>>78910145
>I don't understand how something works
>it is useless.
Fucking hell Nu-Atheists make the worst scientists ever.
>>78911470
>Isn't science constantly trying to prove the existence of theorized particles they can't detect?
But they can detect them
>>78911460
I'm a #quranimal now.
>>78911410
There isn't any
It's pretty funny how back in the old testiment God would come down and fuck with people and stuff but now that we have video cameras he's gotten shy
>>78911197
Hitler was most likely an agnostic or atheist who pretended to be Christian for political reasons.
>>78911438
No Satan, your false religion of "spirituality" is counterfeit and the blood of anyone you convince will be on your head come Judgment Day.
You have a religion whether you like it or not. You can call it "spirituality" but at the end of the day you're no different than a Catholic or a Buddhist. You have your doctrine and so do they.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes unto the Father but by Him.
>>78911124
quoting a book you belief is magical is not an argument
>>78907878
The christian god meme isn't real.
But the old god Kek is most definitely real.
>>78911460
>the koran
You just converted me. I'm a jihadist missile now.
>>78911410
They don't.
It's literally a claim they were 'educated' on and I use that very loosely, and then set loose to evangelize to everyone, having never stopped ONCE to question their indoctrination, because for these retards questioning = heresy.
Yes, it's top level brainwashing, and the church gets them young.
They are never aware of how deep the brainwashing is, and the lie is built up to rationalize for the total lack of proof.
To them, it literally revolves around 'faith'.
They were told lies and need to have faith in the lie, and anyone who questions them is a messenger of satan, testing them.
I shit you not, this is what these brain drains actually believe amongst themselves.
>>78911410
The fact that you exist in a universe that makes any sense whatsoever, rather than a sense where zebras carry suitcases and monkeys wear bananas.
>>78911462
Prove it.
>>78911555
Philosophical arguments are not evidence. Descartes philosophically argued for the nonexistance of anything but himself via Cartesian doubt. It's not a science.
>>78911695
'God' as a claim exists before denial of its existence can be, so the burden will always lie with you, stupid nigger.
>>78908440
I assume because all of his work was for nothing if his Magnum Opus doesn't even care about what he's done. I'm an atheist, but hypothetically, if a God existed in the condition that most religions believe he does, it takes time for him to work, despite being omniscient and omnipotent. If it takes time to work, you most likely are proud of what you accomplish. If your hypothetical accomplishment is the creation of the universe and humans, and the humans don't believe in you, nor do they believe you made anything you did make, it would probably be a little frustrating. What you took trillions of years to create in your image doesn't even believe you exist. It is the ultimate cuckery.
>>78911605
Large portions of human DNA come from viruses that invaded the cells of our ancestors and had their genetic code assimilated into ours. Besides this, there are also large sections of DNA that are no longer active and LITERALLY do nothing. Although they may have served a purpose in the past, they don't do anything now. Now tell me, how either of these types of DNA in any way useful?
>>78911695
>Prove that God isn't real
Prove that I'm not God.
>>78910238
>Why could there not be other universes in alternate dimensions/realities?
>PopSci is my religion.
You illiterate ragbag, it is right in the fucking word: UNIverse. Even if multiverse theory was true, we would live in "a" multiverse within "the" Universe.
At least get your fucking terminology right.
>>78911474
I'm not sure what you mean by 'linear causality.' If you mean causality in terms of temporal succession, no, their arguments are not put in terms of that kind of causality. Very famously, Aquinas argued that even if it could not be demonstrated that there was a first moment of time, it could be shown that all reality depends upon one being for its existence, from moment to moment. Aristotle argued that every instance of motion, continually derives from a most fundamental actuality, that is not itself actualised. Neither of these arguments, moreover, depend upon solving the problem of induction, since they are deductions from the nature of contingency and change as such.
As for teleology, it necessarily follows from the observation that things have the power to cause effects, which is surely a ubiquitous observation.
>>78911694
>They don't.
>It's literally a claim they were 'educated' on and I use that very loosely, and then set loose to evangelize to everyone, having never stopped ONCE to question their indoctrination, because for these retards questioning = heresy.
>Yes, it's top level brainwashing, and the church gets them young.
>They are never aware of how deep the brainwashing is, and the lie is built up to rationalize for the total lack of proof.
>To them, it literally revolves around 'faith'.
>They were told lies and need to have faith in the lie, and anyone who questions them is a messenger of satan, testing them.
>I shit you not, this is what these brain drains actually believe amongst themselves.
Doesn't sound very red-pilled to me.
>>78908329
>God hates people who don't believe in Him despite the overwhelming evidence
>overwhelming evidence
top fucking lol
>>78911695
Literally both non-arguments.
First one has nothing to do with god's existence and the burden of proof is on the one who makes a claim. You claim a God exists, most intelligent people would disagree. It's up to YOU to prove he does exist, which you won't.
>>78911834
You are God because the bible says so.
>>78911694
wow, it's actually pretty disturbing if you put it that way
>>78910841
>Supernatural beings aren't allowed to pop into natural existence
>Natural existence is allowed to pop into natural existence
Once again you strawman when you have no argument. The Big Bang theory doesn't suggest that the natural world "popped" into existence, it suggests that the laws of physics and 90% of the elements that exist were not around and came after the bang. I'm not going to sit and and hold your hand through all of this, if you seriously think that you know better than the rest of humanity then get the fuck off of the internet, go live an Amish lifestyle since they seem to have it all figured out. Go live in a barn without electricity and die a boring old man, since its your best chance into heaven and that's what really matters eh cunt?
If you seriously think your retarded book of fairy tales is more credible than thousands of years of scientific advancement (even the Arabs and Romans knew more about astronomy than the bible-thumpers) then seriously go join a cult and kill yourself.
http://www.irreligion.org/2010/12/07/common-arguments-made-by-religious-people-refuted/
>>78911721
It's not the argument itself which is the evidence, but the premise of the argument which is the evidence.
In Aquinas' and Aristotle's case, the evidence would be the existence of contingency and change, and the argument would simply point out how contingency and change point to God.
>>78911863
You can't refute a single thing I posted.
All you have is blind faith, and it's not even faith that you personally came to terms with, it was spoonfed to you, and like the brainless monkey you are, you ate that religion banana up and demanded more, because it was a delicious lie and made you feel content and secure.
>>78911040
I dont believe that God is this daddy figure with a beard that sits on a cloud and writes down everything everyone does.
Like i said, i think that God is the self consciousness of the universe of which we are a part of, which is set to balance everything out. That grand mind is infinitely intelligent and we arent even a speck of a speck of a speck of it and the natural course our tiny minds are to take is to expand as the universe does. Along that way of expanding, we do what our free will tells us (the randomness), thus shifting the balance from one end to another for it to be eventually balanced back into place.
I never bought into the idea of that daddy figure sitting on a cloud too much because such God would be too small.
And for me, that way of thinking makes sense and i feel enlightened or something which pushes me forward to do things and fulfill my life as short as it is when compared on the grand scale.
>>78911825
He wants people to have faith in his being. Making stuff magically disappear from your genetic code would make his existence too obvious and able to be proven.
>>78911940
It is disturbing, and it's the same exact type of behavioral conditions that mudshits go through as kids.
The result?
A world at war over literally nothing.
>>78911862
>Neither of these arguments, moreover, depend upon solving the problem of induction, since they are deductions from the nature of contingency and change as such.
Why should I care about them then? If it's nothing more than a deduction, then this whole proof ultimately relies on axioms.
>As for teleology, it necessarily follows from the observation that things have the power to cause effects, which is surely a ubiquitous observation.
They also have the power to not cause effects. Does that falsify teleology?
Most people learned ab it as a child and when you're told as a child, believe this or you will go to hell, the child will prolly believe it. It's sick the indoctrination around the world. Scaring children into it and brainwashing them.
>>78908780
>Jesus
Jesus was literally a jew.
THINGS ATHEISTS HAVE PUSHED IN SOCIETY:
-Porn
-Gay rights
-BLM
-Abortion
-Feminism
-Sexual degeneracy
-Corrupting children
-Filthy tv shows
-General hedonism
-White guilt
>When atheists start talking shit about religion
>mfw
>>78911694
Messenger of Satan detected
>be me
>fug wite bitches evry day
>kill niggas evry day
>sell drugs to kids evry day
>b gangsta evry day
>get old
>realize wut i did was wrong
>aks my sky daddy for forgiveness
>he forgives me
God truly is great my niggas.
>>78911955
>the argument would simply point out how contingency and change point to God.
How do you get from change to God?
Also, how do you get from change to a Catholic God?
>>78911631
Said the increasingly nervous man for the 6th time.
>>78911031
Aquafresh is going to hell because he's gay
>>78912019
Except we didn't know about DNA for much of human history. If these sections of genetic code were to just disappear all of a sudden, we would have never even noticed. It's existence, therefore, is an argument against faith, not for faith.
>>78912102
Not our fault atheism got invaded by feminists over the past few years.
And half that shit you think is bad bc the bible tells you so.
>>78910398
> I don't know what the word universe means.
Well, I will be taking your opinion quite seriously.
Hint: "a multiverse" is a fraction of the "universe". It is a subset.
>>78910422
>being this enlightened.
Former Christian, ex-edgelord, current classical theist.
Dogma and a Creator are almost entirely disconnected.
>>78912138
thats more the way muslims treat it
>>78912138
>be me
>sin every day
>do good things and pretend it makes it better
>look down on those who truly repent
>"they don't deserve it like I do"
>"I'm truly holy"
>feel righteous
>die
>go to hell
>"noooooo why?"
>God shows up
>"Pride is a sin."
>>78911965
You misunderstood my comment. I was agreeing with you. The fact that people believe such blind faith that they were force fed their entire lives without a shred of actual evidence doesn't seem very red-pilled to me.
>>78911989
You've separated the fantastical bullshit that kids are brainwashed with and substituted it with questions about the universe that no one can prove.
The problem here is that you're still attaching concepts from your early indoctrination programming to meld into these questions about the nature and creation of the universe.
Do you understand? All you've done is trick yourself that you're being rational, but it's still an irrational and entirely speculative personal ideology that you've constructed, under the architecture of spirituality, the foundation of which you still cannot ever prove.
It was cancer from the get go, bud.
>>78912102
>conflating atheists with morally degenerate people
I think you should have just said Jews and left the normal folks out of your equation.
christfags read this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlD4wY_yhck
>>78912268
>>78912270
I'm glad you love our sky daddy as much as I do.
>>78912073
>If it's nothing more than a deduction, then this whole proof ultimately relies on axioms.
It's a logical deduction from an inescapable empirical premise (i.e., the premises that change and contingency are real). Demonstrations don't get better than that.
>They also have the power to not cause effects. Does that falsify teleology?
Why would it falsify teleology? Teleology follows from the fact that causes are ordered toward some particular range of effects or other. Limits to causal power simply follow from the observation that there is more than one kind of power.
>>78912217
No way to confirm we wouldn't have noticed. But why would he purposefully just remove it for no reason, especially if it makes sense and he wanted to cover his tracks anyway?
>>78912102
THINGS RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HAVE PUSHED
-ISIS
-TERRORISM
-SHARIA LAW
>>78912089
A jew that broke the banks (tables where you change and borrow money and buy cattle for sacrifice) and threw the jew money on the floor and pissed off other jews that eventually found the goy to nail him to a cross.
Then the jew got pissed off when everyone martyred the jew that taught that loaning money with interests is evil, and the jew rose from the dead finally convincing his apostles that he was right all along and to spread his word in order to open the eyes of the people everywhere.
Maybe he was a good alien that wanted to see the people free and happy because he liked them. Maybe he wasnt, nobody can say for sure without doubt.
Maybe he was a jew that betrayed the jew world order in the harshest way possible just to try and save the goyim because he didnt think of them as cattle.
Atheism is a phase.
FACT: most of the atheists on this board smoke marijuana and/or use other, harder illegal drugs.
>>78907878
Whether or not he's real is irrelevant, living by the teachings of the Bible led societies to prosper, abandoning that has led only to rapid decay.
>>78908063
>I don't understand something yet
>therefore God
Not a surprise you sheep think like this
You might think raining is god's piss if our scientist didn't tell you how cloud rains
>>78912279
Sorry bud, religion zombies piss me off.
Good exists in the world, but to give it name and ascribe it to some fantastical sky daddy is just absurd.
Good and Bad come from within the individual. There was never any other being responsible, and for these tards to suggest otherwise is representative of their own innate irresponsibility and failure to accept they were selfish shitheads.
>>78911457
How can somthing come out of nathing?
>>78910851
....Like the non-existence of god?
>>78912340
>reading from the NRSV
>2016
There's only one Bible with the word KING in it.
>I'm not agnostic because my meme book, culture and upbringing told me what's real
Christians are truly enlightened.
>>78912391
>It's a logical deduction from an inescapable empirical premise
And the word 'inescapable' makes me instantly stop taking it seriously, as nothing in reliable knowledge is ever 'inescapable' or 'infallible'. You basically just admitted that your argument is unfalsifiable
>Why would it falsify teleology?
You claim that the opposite proves it true. Are you saying that nothing can prove it false? Why should I take it seriously as a piece of knowledge then?
>>78912469
I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, not on nor ever have been on any meds, live clean sober and healthy, with a solid female partner relationship.
You're just getting desperate to paint anyone who calls you out on your bullshit as a liar.
>>78912469
That doesn't prove god is real though
>>78907878
I feel like there is a god, or otherwise an intelligent creator of existence as we know it.
However I feel like he takes a much more hands-off approach than most religions suggest. I don't think praying about any given situation will actually change the outcome.
>>78912474
>non christian = degenerate
well that's fuck up.
but I do agree that a little religious can lead to good things
except Islam
>>78912503
Zoinkz! You're a long way from Fedoreddit, newcomer!
Isn't it about time u head back?
>>78912340
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas#Etymology
Back to Tunisia, Muslim
>>78912469
The fuck does smoking weed have to do with anything? You're literally just showing how much of a naive shut-in faggot you are. Go smoke a joint and come back when you're somewhat fun to be around.
>>78912680
>solid female partner relationship
So are you gay or something? The only people who use the term "partner" are gay people.
Either you're married or you're a fornicator.
>>78912500
I thought rain was Odin's manly tears!
>>78912541
pftahahahaha
the translators who wrote the KJV weren't trained in greek,
The KJV was also "re-translated" and "fixed" multiple times
If the KJV is anything, it's the MOST unreliable version ever
If you're still not convinced:
>Mark 10:18
>"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
>>78912770
>how many memes can i fit in 15 words
Pretty thirsty there.
>>78912455
If one jew could do all this imagine what the millions around today are capable of, having another 2000 years of experience, knowledge, and technology.
>>78912832
>you can't have a girlfriend or you're gay or a 'fornicator'
fuck nigga, you just went full retard
how new are you
>>78912534
The burden of proof is on you, not me. Trying to prove god's non-existence begins with the assumption that he does exist. Because God by his very nature exists outside of the laws of nature, this assumption is faulty from the get go. Thus, you can only prove that he does exist, not that he doesn't.
>>78912805
Drugs = Witchcraft.
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/nigerian-witch-doctor-who-claimed-to-give-drug-dealers-supernatural-protection-from-police-is-sent-to-prison.html/
Google "Pharmakeia."
>I'm not agnostic because my meme book, culture and upbringing told me what's real
Christians are truly enlightened. Oh did I post this before? oops
>>78907973
What is this slide thread nonsense
