Can you guys red pill me on nihilism, please leave examples of arguments against it, this dumb bitch at school won't shut the fuck up about it.
>at school
That's your problem. Hurry up and graduate so you're not around edgy teens.
>>78902937
>Can you guys red pill me on nihilism,
I would but who gives a fuck?
>>78902937
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHWbZmg2hzU
nihilism is 100% correct, though you cant live in a civilized society of machiavellian hedonists
Edgy teen Justin Trudeau
>>78902937
Shit, just kill yourself
>>78902937
nothing matters, except pleasing der einzige
>>78902937
Nihilists don't believe in anything.
Not even nihilism.
Or 'rules' prohibiting rape.
>>78902937
Too bad you won't fuck her, OP.
Nihilism and postmodernism are destructive and useless to western society, that's all you need to know.
>>78902937
Self described nihilists are edgy morons who need to grow up.
>>78902937
This bitch clearly doesn't understand nihilism very well with all that makeup on.
>>78902937
>heart on the wall
>has feelings for something
she is not a nihilist
>>78902937
Does your school have a FUCKING DICTIONARY?
>>78902937
>sjw
>nihilist
>Nietzsche
>a nihilist
>>78903491
>"I don't like someone, they are edgy. I'm going to tell them what to do because obviously I'm better than them!!1!1!!"
>>78903863
It's just easy language for saying you don't want to give a shit about anything but then still do.
>>78902937
asked her what she read and then laugh at her. tell her to study gender studies, they have great "philosophy" classes. she's also sure to get a job ;)
the redpill is that you can pretend to be a nihilist and post about it on the internet, but you're still going to act the same as everyone else in real life so why bother pretending like you don't care
nihilism is like atheism, you believe in it as an edgy kid.
once you grow up you realize absurdism is the true ideology
>>78903863
It doesn't works like that, but what makes you think she's a sjw or nihilist?
>>78902937
Absurdism for depressed people.
>>78904079
that's weird, you called nihilists edgy and then revealed yourself to be something EVEN more edgy.
>>78903093
lol
>>78904079
or just take a study loan and buy lotto tickets. if you don't win, kill yourself. sounds like a great plan to me. a high school friend chose that route, got to applaud him for the balls.
>>78902937
>>78904084
idk i just assumed she was both because of the video and she looks like a sjw
Russian nihilism (which was basically deconstructionism mixed with an early existentialism) or teenage angst nihilism?
>>78904261
although of course its impossible to be both
nihilism is one of the many assumed statuses to announce to the world you are a very special and smart
in practice, it's symptomatic to the dying western christian high culture and worship of oneself
>>78902937
>mfw I realize that nihilism is just a spook
>mfw my face is a spook
>>78904317
it's pretty much impossible to be a nihilist at all
>>78904185
Modern nihilism is total freedom in expressing yourself in words or art, no holding back or caring about hurt feelings of other people, but that doesn't means those modern nihilists are dangerous physically towards other people, they just don't give a fuck who they insult.
>>78904386
This tbqh
>>78904386
unless you kill yourself
>>78902937
Also, don't watch amateurs talk about philosophy. check out tom richey's youtube channel or 3 minute philosophy. believe it or not, reddit has a pretty decent philosophy and academic philosophy community as well,
>>78904386
nihilism is up with there with people claiming to be asexual for special snowflake status, ignoring asexuality is the symptomatic some severe illness or another
She probably hasn't actually experienced nihilism, or she wouldn't be advocating it.
The irony is most nihilists are liberals. These people aren't going to critique the enlightenment like Nietzsche did.
>>78902937
nihilism is for when your an edgy teen. Absurdism is the final red pill.
>>78904579
she hasn't, i've seen other videos. she's just some dumb slut who wants to be able to do anything she wants without any consequences, including emotional ones.
>>78904597
>The irony is most nihilists are liberals. These people aren't going to critique the enlightenment like Nietzsche did.
If they aren't gonna critique it, then I don't think they really are nihilists.
>>78904416
yeah yeah, call me when they start insulting niggers and not the "establishment"
Nihilism is honestly an Idiots philosophy, say are too lazy to actually put forth the thought to actually formulate an opinion on things, so they just say "lol nothing matters"
>>78904694
Nihilists insult niggers and sjw and god, everything. Maybe you just haven't seen modern art or read such people's blogs. /pol/ isn't the only internet.
>>78902937
yeah but shes cute
>>78904780
get off your cunt high horse
you know very well it's not actually descriptive of the movement
>>78904794
I think i seen threads about her on /r9k/.
>>78904386
it's possible to be a nihilist but it is just a temporary state of mind
>>78905026
i can agree with that
>>78904780
>Nihilists insult niggers
lets see it then
>>78903308
That's solipsism
>>78905026
You can achieve nihilism by having a mental breakdown.
>>78902937
nihilism is the conclusion hyper-intelligent beings come to(this doesn't mean every nihilist is even remotely smart), but that doesn't make it the final philosophy on life. if you believe in the big bang and gravity, then eventually the universe will stop expanding and reverse, causing a single black hole in the universe that is so dense it eventually explodes causing another big bang.
life is seemingly pointless, and yet we humans haven't even fully discovered our own planet and used our resources to their potential. basically nihilists should shut the fuck up until they've explored the entirety of the universe and solved every question, but realistically that's a task a collective multi-galactic civilization under one cause has to solve rather than some edgy kid wondering what happens after death.
>>78902937
>>78902937
Nihilism is for those who have given up on dealing with philosophical issues. Its a void for thoughts and emotions and everybody who is seriously propagating it, is as much worth as the dirt under my shoes (wich they can`t even deny).
Its like an edgy version of zen, but without the "practical" aspect to soothe your mind while to simultaneously increase overall awareness.
>>78902937
Retards read Nietzsche, fail to understand him but see the cool word nihilist and automatically assume their false conclusions are nihilism.
Nihilism is purely destructive. It's seeing a system that you dislike, yet have no plan to replace or reform, then tearing it to pieces anyway. It's not just a belief in nothingness, it's an absence of a belief system.
>>78905127
I would but I can't be bothered
>>78905539
That's what I thought. Fuck off, snowflake.
>>78903301
Stirner is the ultimate fedora. Adoption of his philosophies on a mass scale would result in human extinction.
>>78905127
https://golfinho.newgrounds.com/movies/
>>78906371
>new grounds
ebin
Pick any major branch of philosophy - Epistomology, Metaphysics, Ethics, Aesthetics - and most major positions will have had to overcome some scepticism and will have generated some radical scepticism in response. Nihilism should probably be prefaced with some qualifier like political nihilism, moral nihilism etc because you may not believe in moral propositions but have no problems believing in causation. I'd take general Nihilism without qualifiers to be nihilism about meaning, which is a kind of metaphysical nihilism, but the kind of nihilism you might see in Continental philosophy is much broader and generally refers to culture and art. Nietzsche's account of christian nihilism usually hinges on their investment in a spiritual world after this physical one, and so in some sense they don't care about this physical one and as such are nihilists about the world everyone lives in.
Most positions of radical scepticism in philosophy are pretty rock solid, but unintuitive and largely incompatible with a survival-oriented evolutionary inclination. So there's no good argument that explains why anyone should think the sun will rise tomorrow but it's been a better idea so far to act otherwise.
Most rebuttals against radical scepticism are rebuttals of this kind; they don't attack the substance of the position but do point out how unintuitive it would be to act in accordance with the position. For Nihilism about meaning (which is different from Neitzches passive and active nihilism), one loses value criteria with which to make choices, and criticise them. That's not a problem for Nihilists, but they can't strictly make preference and value judgements and those things tend to creep in implicitly. This leads to a lot of back and forth about preference, value, and auxiliary choice theories but that's the basics.
If you want arguments against it you'll actually have to learn moral theories/metaethics.
>>78902937
the only way to live with nihilism is through ego suicide / denial of the self/soul (i.e., "enlightenment").
self-proclaimed nihilists are faggots just toying with the idea at the distance of their (very limited) intellect.
living nihilism is the purest distillation of despair you could experience.
Nihilism is just promoting degenerate behavior because nothing you do matters, so the only thing that matters is doing what you want when you want then crying about it when you hit 40 and realize you are worthless trash.
So it's just how edgy teens justify their idiocy.
Sorry friend but it is impossible to describe nihilism to people without mocking it.
>>78902937
>I'm too fucking stupid to understand yet alone argue against something that I irrationally hate
Fuck off.
>>78903437
Wtf is wrong with that pic?
>>78902937
Nihilism is where communist edge lords eventually end up.
>None of this matters... EXCEPT FOR THE PLANET AND VOTING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! BRB GONNA GO PLAY PLAYSTATION AND GET DRUNK ON CRAFT BEERS!
Just another group of double talking dipshits.
>>78902937
There's two versions of nihilism.
One says that there's no objective good or bad nor is there any objective purpose in life.
The other is hedonism for hipsters.
Yep. Nihilists become socialists when they grow up, because it's a refinenment of "society is all shit, tear it all down" to "society is all shit, and it stands in the way of a utopia that we could reach by tearing it all down".
There are very few arguments they will listen to, as they all involved taking control and responsibility of your own life and striving to better yourself in small steps that pay out decades later. They want it all now, despite that being impossible.
>>78902937
Nihilism is more logical but less fun. I remeber being depressed all day. It was shit.
>>78914981
> Nihilism
> Normative statements/viewpoints
Choose one
>>78915292
I guess you have zero experience with the modern "Nihilist"
>>78902937
A simple argument - might is right is an inherently true principle because might can prevail and impose itself.
If you actually care, read some Gilles Deleuze, he solved nihilism for me.
>>78915886
Exactly, they're nihilists the same way Tyrone descends from royalty.
>>78904416
No, that's not correct what a Nihilism. They believe the life has no value, everything has no value. So, they don't care because for them is nothing, but it has nothing to do with Freedom.
>>78905621
kek. I love being kinda NEET. Except I don't live with parents and have money. But I have a NEET's attitude towards work.
>>78903093
this
>>78916290
WE WUZ NIHILISTS N SHEEIIIIT
I know all these """"nihilist'""" that are still passionate about shit like social justice, poverty allievment, gay marriage, feminism and other shit like that
>>78916740
Heard one just the other day talk about "giving back to the greater good"
NONE OF THIS MATTERS
>>78902937
>Why don't you just kill yourself then
Is the only correct response to
>I am a nihilist
Nihilism is basically total indifference: Nothing is permitted and everything is allowed
Absolute degenerate
Nihilism is existential puberty
>>78917004
Once you have nothing the world becomes your oyster.
I understand that the entirety of this thread is misinformed shitposting due to millenials being a stain on the human race, but I still need to point out how flawed it is as a genuine nihilist.
>>78916740
Fallacy
>>78914915
The initiation of force is always wrong, unless force has been enacted against you : - )
>>78902937
I will summarize the girls video
Science proved religion doesn't exist
Science proved that race and gender don't exist
Science proved that countries don't exist
So it's ok to derive all the value in your life from making retarded youtube videos in your room because you are a lonely piece of shit that has seen past the matrix that is friendship and family
A good example of a Nihilist would be The Joker, who constantly toys with peoples sanity and values in an attempt to show them how weak and worthless their morality and values really are.
>>78917583
> Genuine nihilist
> Normative statement about morality.
Go back to your shitty cult, Stef.
>>78920144
LOL, nice attempt to try and seem dark and badass and "cool bad guy" about it. Every nihilist I've met is a whiny cunt, they can't even argue their non-position well.
Just say you're an egoist and walk away, fag.
>>78904336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bea9aFBGuwQ
>>78903093
Thread is done.
>>78903093
>a leaf
you're ok for now
>>78904182
Did he win?
>>78920176
I'm assuming you're going on the force statement.
Reading about and understanding one way of thinking doesn't change what is correct in another.
P.S. Cults are for those in need of validation. Not solitary individuals.
>>78920312
That's the main problem with nihilism in general. It's perfectly intellectually legitimate to claim that life has no meaning, but almost no one ever acts in accord with that claim.They still care about ethics, and morality, and fairplay. People announcing that nihilism is truth makes little sense. If you believe nihilism than you understand that all actions are fundamentally of equal consequence -- nothing. So to divert energy towards trying to convince people that your right about the truth of the universe is a futile activity and you'd be much better off pursuing something hedonistic instead. And yet I see nihilists arguing with Christians all the time. Why? Your life has no more meaning for it. Your truth has no more meaning than fantasy. It may in all case be the truth, but to take such a stance eradicates your own claim to the argument. You have nothing to add to the conversation. Nothing to give your stance any more credence than anything else. In fact you're claiming that it doesn't. The claim of nihilism in and of itself invalidates its purpose as a philosophical concept.
Which is why absurdism has always appealed to me more.
>>78902937
>>78903583
>>78903863
>>78904579
>>78904672
>>78904794
>>78904980
I saw her not too long ago at Comic-Con in London.
She was with her boyfriend and walked by me. They looked very much in love.
Quite tall irl, boyfriend is a giant fag.
I was going to say hello then remembered how pathetic that would be, especially as I was dressed as a Jedi.
>>78920312
Which is my point, you fucking simpleton. If the Joker is truly representative of what a Nihilist would be, then the self proclaimed nihilists nowdays are just trying to look cool.
But if you had even half a brain, you would have noticed that nowhere did I say I was a nihilist, you fag.
>>78902937
>Get a knife
>Cut off your johnson
>Nihlism Achieved
>>78921874
Somebody taking text based claims so literally belongs with the religious zealots.
>>78903308
Which is hilarious bc a lot of feminist will claim to be nihilist.
Is there a better indicator of adolescence than nihilism? Fucking edgy faggots. I WISH everyone would not care about them for a few weeks and see how much they enjoy it.
WHO UTILITARIANISM HERE?
I fucking hate women who are like the one in OP's pic. Time to go out and do some beheading, later
>born into a catholic family
>raised to believe in god
>go to church every sunday from a young age up until about 14 or 15 when i got tired of it and my mum stopped taking us
>did all the stuff they do to you when you're younger, holy communion etc
>brother has a twitter
>his name is nihilist on it
>check again a month later
>its back to his normal name
Retarded young kids.. Christianity is dying as a religion too, right? No one does it anymore in england. Families aren't raised catholic as much as they are atheist these days.
>>78903909
JUST
>>78902937
Nihilism is the correct outlook on the world, but anti-productive and needs to be suppressed. If you can build a society with no concept of nihilism, they will be happier as a result.
It also stems from cultural Marxism. If you are not immersed in your own culture, nihilism is sure to follow.
>>78902937
Just steal her shit and touch her boobs and if she complains remind her thar nothing matters
>>78902937
you live and then you die and nothing really matters
>>78903909
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>78924173
>correct outlook on the world.
Christ, at least read some Nietzsche you negative little bitch.
>>78924420
I think you misunderstood my post. Either that or you didn't finish reading it.
Your life has as much meaning as you assign to it, which is really liberating if you have self-respect. But most people are whiny bitches that need an external source to tell them their purpose in life.
>>78904141
This guy gets it
>>78902937
Edgy teenage faggots going through their first existential crisis.
>>78924601
Oh I read it alright. It's certainly not "the correct outlook on the world"
>>78924886
The universe is pointless and chaotic and as a result of cultural relativism, nihilism is on the rise. We simply know too much and there's nothing we can do to stop that now.
How to defeat a nihilist:.
Do you like sex?
>Yes
Nihilism is done
>No (or haven't had sex)
Kill yourself.
>I don't want to...
But why?
>I dunno...
So you aren't a nihilist?
>>78925066
Existence itself is not pointless, the purpose of it is whatever we ascribe to it.
Assuming that the point is that there is no point in the face all other options when ascribing no point is in and of itself both defeatist and destructive to all other points is as stupid as believing there is no reason to continue living. There clearly is as even though there seems everything is reset to zero with our deaths, we still experience events in the moment and should strive to reach personal fulfillment in whatever form that may take.
Chaotic, yes. Pointless, in your opinion.
TLDR: Nihilists kill your self, we'll all be happier for it.
>>78925423
>Do you like sex?
Only when my body demands it. Seconds after I'm done with sex I can't fatham why anybody would want to fuck for at least 2 hours.
>>78925596
So the biological need to reproduce and put forth your genes as progeny is the purpose of life.
Don't think of people as being special.
If you look at Maslow's hierarchy, you can see that only the top categories apply to solely to humans.
Rooted in nihilism is that those things like society/social acceptance/culture and self esteem are worthless is based on the assumption that the rest (survival needs) are certain.
You ever meet a person from a third world country with depression or self esteem issues? No
If you treat humans as animals with base needs, you see that maintaining those base needs in order to reproduce is the purpose of all natural life. All that philosophical crap is just fluff.
>>78925590
>Existence itself is not pointless, the purpose of it is whatever we ascribe to it.
Fundamentally incorrect.
That implies a degree of control over fate that humans do not possess. Consider the following.
>OP: My purpose in life is to smoke weed and get laid! Woohooo! Time to go to my boyfriend's house and lose my virginity!
>moments later OP gets hit by a bus and dies
OP did not fulfill his self described purpose in life, fate had other plans for him. Clearly we do not get to decide what the purpose of existence is as existence shapes our lives and not vice versa.
>>78926289
You are confusing purpose with reality. Kantian mistake.
>>78925590
Pride in your self-determination is the enemy of nihilism. Is this the point you want to get across? Because I can get onboard with that.
After all, I'm willing to bet there is a correlation between the loss of national pride and the rise of nihilism.
>>78902937
People mistakenly expect what might be called "cosmic" purpose: a purpose that is built into the universe, somehow, like God's plan. But if there is no "cosmic" purpose, it doesn't mean there is no purpose. Meaning exists objectively in the universe because humans create meaning, the same way that pleasure or pain exists objectively in the world, even though the universe itself can't have those properties.
>>78926289
You misunderstand. Purpose does not imply control over fate, merely an active decision to attempt to control it. Success or failure in whether or not the ascribed purpose is fulfilled does not define the fundamentals.
However, as logically, all fate is predetermined whether we like it or not we are merely presented with the illusion of agency in these matters and the purpose we seemingly choose to ascribe for better or for worse be it hedonistic or simply nothing at all in the case of a nihilist, is in fact predetermined.
"Choosing" that your own existence and the existence of all else is meaningless is as valid as any other choice as we cannot logically demonstrate any of those meanings.
Logically, the neutral position to me seems to be "existence is it's own excuse" for the universe does not rationalize itself, it simply is.
>>78926695
Not the point I was making but I fully agree.
Pride in your self-determination is the enemy of nihilism.
>>78903909
i know right??? seems like only the most naive people think this. it is really NOT the case at all, and even a reading like 30 pages of Zarathustra or another of his works shows that he is carving a position against nihilism.
>i minored in analytical philosophy in university
>>78904185
but then she has single-handedly pulled the foundation for literally any critique on moral matters out from underneath herself... you cannot be a nihilist and condemn rape, "misogyny", "xenophobia", "transphobia" or any of the other shit these harpies go on and on about 24/7. what these fucking retarded children think nihilism is about is undermining opposing arguments' legitimacy, but it's not. it undermines every single argument's legitimacy, even the most common sense ones. there really aren't nihilists out there, just like there aren't real relativists out there past petty issues.
>>78902937
Tell her to read Kirkegaard and to shut the fuck up if she didn't read him. Than after she is done with him, keep dropping philosophers on her, until you come to Evola after whom she will finally understand that the entire point of nihilism is to reject it.
>>78926597
ok how about i poison your mother's food with cyanide? doesn't matter, right?
>>78927084
>However, as logically, all fate is predetermined whether we like it or not we are merely presented with the illusion of agency in these matters and the purpose we seemingly choose to ascribe for better or for worse be it hedonistic or simply nothing at all in the case of a nihilist, is in fact predetermined.
where the fuck are you getting this bullshit? i've only known a handful of hard determinists in my day, and the ones most adamant about it seemed to turn to it as a way of relieving themselves of the sense of accountability they had over a past action.
>literally had a GF who was a hard determinist bc "muh science says so"
>she was diddled by her uncle when she was like 6 and is constantly ruminating about whether or not it was "her fault"
>"I know! I'll adopt a world view where the only causal interactions are mechanistic ones, thereby writing my agency out of every single decision i've ever made."
>can't actually swallow this ideological pill at all, continues to ruminate about getting diddled
people like you are the worst. "illusion of agency" my ass. people are the causal authors of at least some of their actions, and you damn well know it.
>>78903909
fucking this. read a book morons
>still in school
I dropped out in third grade just to get away from stinky liberals, p.u.
