Sup /pol/?
My liberal sister thinks Islam is a religion of peace. Help me prove her wrong, /pol/. Any good Quran verses you have on hand?
If after all of the inocent people killed by the mudlims, all of the the conflicts wherever they live and the shithole that their crappy countries are; they still need more arguments to notice that is because she is just retard and deserves to be Mudslimized.
>>78810668
Nah, according to her that is just people appropriating the religion. They're not TRUE Muslims.
>>78810466
Mohammed killed a kid for leaving Islam. Literally. He brags about it. In context. Can't remember the sura but I'm sure if you google moses apostasy koran you'll find it
Religion of peace is full of understanding for apostates.
>>78810466
>Quran verses
faggot, you're bait and you know it.
Check out the Hadiths, which almost every muslim follows and learns from.
Just find google statistics, you'll find plenty enough on muslims.
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>>78810466
You are a cuck of a brother , women cannot be reasoned with.Just scold her or slap her while saying the verses which are bad in islam but wait white women are beyond help since their whole life they live like snobby little princesses on pedestal.
Either way she is gone.
Yes it's the religion of peace, that's why the Middle East is so damn peaceful and everyone wants to go and live there
>>78810864
Tell her she doesn't have the fucking right to decide who's a muslim or not, she doesn't dictate that. The definition of the Western world of a 'Muslim'
> : an adherent of Islam
With Islam being defined as
> the religion which teaches that there is only one God and that Muhammad is God's prophet : the religion of Muslims
She literally doesn't have the right to tell someone that he is or isn't a muslim, she's appropriating Islamic culture by doing so :^).
>>78810466
Explain to her that we westerners have a misconception over what muslims mean by telling us that Islam is the religion of peace.
Explain to her that according to quran the world is split into two houses: The house of war (dar al harb) and house of submission (dar al islam). No peace can exist in the world until every single person submits to the will of God and admits that there is only one god, Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.. Peace for muslims means total domination over the world and death to all infidels.
>>78810466
so she is already a muslim and you're trying to convert her away from it?
i'm sorry my friend, you are already too late.
>>78811363
>she's appropriating Islamic culture
Holy shit that's good, she always complains about white people appropriating cultures (need I mention she is also white?). She even has a kimono she doesn't wear because she doesn't want to appropriate nip culture.
>>78810466
It's not even a religion. It's a dangerous retrograde ideology that is antithetical to Western values.
A woman with an Islamic man is no longer a woman. She is a dog in bondage, unable to go outside the limits of her lead.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law
here
>>78810466
Is she patient?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fY_Gkyzo0
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>>78811740
If this isn't enough for your "liberal" sister she's a braindead hypocritical loon. But most are, so good luck.
>>78810864
Ahh, the old no TRUE Scotsman fallacy.
>>78811755
She's patient, but she'd probably say something like "Oh that's just RADICAL Islam, what about moderates?"
>>78812362
Thanks a bunch, friend.
>>78812419
Don't fall into this pity shit. Killing infidels is straight koranic
Preferably ask her where you'll find the true Islam and once she says koran show how their violence is koranic. ISIS is nice enough to give you the exact koranverses on which they base their violence
>>78810864
Sounds like according to her westernized Muslims are the only true Muslims. She's an idiot and you probably shouldn't waste your time.
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>>78812527
The video explains that moderate Islam doesn't exist.
Explains that Islam is a religion of law (as opposed as christianity that's a religion of faith) and therefore there's no room for interpretation.
There are only two types of muslims according to the video: traditional muslims and radical muslims. And explains the current uprising of Islam, how are they conquering the West and contemplates the fact that ultimately the world is going to be forced to decide wether they want to go for radical secularism, christianity or islam.
If you want to dwell deeper into the moderate islam issue you can use this material
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T48hLiBy-zk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpR0qbt41es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIfuq5AkSyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z0hZrwy2Ns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6jhuJ55zk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yGN8SlIEZ8
>>78810466
You're american, why should you care about islam?
Also, if you think that islam is not a religion of peace despite knowing nothing about islam, except what people from a laosian cartoon board say, you're not different from the people that claim otherwise.
>>78810864
Islam have many subdivisions, and they're very different between them.
So you could start her asking what sect of islam she think is the right.
>>78810871
Childhood is a modern invention though. You cannot blame a man from VII century for acting like everyone else in that century
>>78811125
I didnt know the poos hated faggots.
I thought they would love a bit of poo in dick
>>78814154
I know enough about Islam to know that it promotes horrid violence against women and crimes against humanity.
In islam signs of apocalyps
The appearance of fitnah (tribulations) and removal of khushoo' (fearfulness of God, taqwah, reverence, etc.)[28]
Coming of 30 Dajjals, everyone presuming himself that he is an apostle of God.[29]
Until a person would pass by a grave of another person and he would say: I wish it had been my abode.[30]
Loss of honesty, and authority is given to those who do not deserve it.[31]
The taking away of knowledge and the prevalence of religious ignorance.[32]
Frequent occurrences of sudden and unexpected death.[33]
Spreading of killing.[34]
Acceleration of time.[35]
Rejection of Sunnah (Hadith).[36]
The spread of riba (usury, interest), the spread of zina (adultery, fornication), drinking of alcohol.[37]
The widespread and condoning of music.[38]
The decoration of mosques as a matter of pride and competition.[39]
Women will increase in number and men will decrease in number so much so that fifty women will be looked after by one man.[40]
Abundance of earthquakes.[41]
Frequent occurrences of disgrace, distortion, and defamation.[42]
When people wish to die because of the severe trials and tribulations that they are suffering.[43]
>>78814559
Tons of Muzzles are faggots too. They're probably the easiest ones to recruit as suicide bombers since acts of jihad immediately redeem you of your sins. I'm not sure they'd be interested in the virgin poon though.
>>78813131
Bottom left girl doesn't look hurt. Is she dead?
>>78810466
Your sister is right. But that doesn't mean she acted right. Remember,
>Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded...
Your sister needs to obey your father, you, and get herself married ASAP. Praise be to Allah who has made us his eternal slaves.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUkf7iHTmnQ
warning, video is really depressing cause we can't do anything about it
>>78811718
This, it's difficult to call it a religion after studying it, the spiritual components of Islam are overshadowed by its civil and military components.
And the spiritual components it does have are worryingly satanic. The black rock used as the cornerstone in the kaaba (the cube in Mecca they worship, they even kiss the black stone directly) supposedly fell from heaven shortly after the first sin. Their prophecied messianic figure has all its predictions copied from the coming of the antichrist.
>>78810466
>wait until you find her listening to music
>then start singing a nasheed and get out the knife
>punish if she doesn't repent
>>78815655
>we can't do anything about it
But that's wrong.
>>78810466
The real problem is the hadiths.
Muslims follow more than the koran.
>>78810466
let her go out and get raped. lets see if the dumb cunt still thinks so after they put a durka hurka on her stupid ass
>>78810864
Thats what all the baby kids say. Tell her to go live in a muslim country for 10+ years to understand Islamists and their retarded religions vision.
>>78810466
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
>>78810466
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
>>78810466
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.
Quran (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)"
Quran (7:81) - "Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?"
Quran (26:165-166) - "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"
Quran (4:16) - "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone"
Abu Dawud (4462) - "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, 'Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.'"
>>78810466
Save up and pay for her to take a trip(alone) to the Middle-East. Save up some extra on the side for a coffin and funeral.
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>>78818317
These are just mistranslations taken out of context that can't possibly be properly represented in English. In Arabic it's actually beautiful peaceful poetry.
>>78810466
Tell her to Google an Islamic country like Germany and she should be able to find enough stuff to set her straight
>>78814376
But Muslims believe the Quran is the divine word of Allah and that Mohammed lived a perfectly moral life which would make killing a child apostate morally justifiable in most branches of modern Islam
>>78810466
Send her to me
