or should Britain wait with negotiations until October or even next year?
Could negotiations actually take less than 2 years? When will Britain be truly free?
>>78767467
activate operation sea lion
there is still time to stop them
only germany can forge europe into a united and unstoppable world power
>>78767467
I think you guys should just cut them loose as fast as possible
>>78767467
Britain should be kicked out by force as soon as possible and this opportunity should be seized to make it possible for Frankfurt to steal London's role as Europe's financial hub, by denying the Brits any trade treaties with the European Union for a few years.
This is a golden opportunity to crush the eternal anglo. Also encourage the Scots to leave and give them immediate EU membership on independence.
>>78768319
But I'm afraid mutti merkel is quite literally too much of a pussy for this sort of international politics.
To prevent Scotland going and Labour winning, we need to get the fuck on with it.
We need to weather the storm and move forward. He who dares and all.
It should be done the moment we know the next PM, it should have been done by Cameron after he had got a diplomatic team together to begin negotiations but he ragequit instead.
>>78768945
>It should be done the moment we know the next PM
Why shouldn't it be done earlier? Is it uncertain whether the UK will leave before Boris Johnson starts to work in Downing Street?
>>78769127
Because there needs to be someone who actually gathers together all the ambassadors and diplomats and say "this is the plan, here's who will handle negotiations with which country on which issue, here's what we want from X Y and Z, here's what we're willing to give up, here's what we're not" before we start talking in earnest, and since Cameron quit he can't do it.
>>78769511
Sorry, hate to be a narcissist but the reason things are being put off is so your brexit has a more powerful impact on our election.
>Cameron resigning in october
>EUshillary v. nationalist trump in november
>>78767467
I want to go full steam ahead personally but I am not in government and apparently Cameron thought he had a win in the bag so his team does not actually know what to do.
>>78768319
>Also encourage the Scots to leave and give them immediate EU membership on independence.
Dumb Croat. Belgium, Italy and Spain have to say no to this because of their own separatists.
>>78767467
We need to do it NOW to stop vipers like Hannan from having a deal 'like Norway'. Get out ASAP. Get it going right now.
>>78769511
But the Article 50 notice could still be handed in, even if Johnson hasn't told people "this is the plan".
Nothing much would happen over the summer anyway in terms of negotiation and I highly doubt that the UK and EU aren't internally preparing strategies and talking about how to set a framework for negotations.
The only thing the delay does is shift the end date for the Brexit from June 2018 to October 2018.
>>78770064
it also gives the chance for another general election override this decision.
>>78769903
>Dumb Croat. Belgium, Italy and Spain have to say no to this because of their own separatists.
This is true.
And even more so, I heard the EU doesn't even want to deal with the Scottish issue. Scotland is a nuclear option for negotiations, not a base case joinder country from the outset.
>>78767467
Immediately
the longer they wait for the more time for anti-democracy MPs to cancel the departure.
>>78770127
>it also gives the chance for another general election override this decision.
You seriously believe the decision could be overturned? Come on, I just do not believe that.
>>78770127
There is not going to be a general election. We have fixed term parliaments now. They can't just call one.
>>78770100
kek
>>78770272
It's funny that you're the one laughing too. Swiss just prosper out of the way, based
>>78770100
Fuck
>>78770252
Yes they can.
">a motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed
>a motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)"
From
>http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/
>>78770223
There is a constitutional basis for the general election being more sound than a plebiscite
>>78770326
>American has to point out that something's funny instead of making a clever remark.
>>78770915
You're American, also, do we have to always be sarcastic little faggots? Why don't you try talking like an adult to people?
>>78771065
There are the kind of people who like Milo, and the people who like political discussion.
>>78771065
>Being this offended over literally nothing.
Thanks for being a disgrace as always m8.
This is getting posted on facebook atm, it's from a Guardian comment... thoughts?
>>78771411
I'm not the one using strong words like disgrace, I think your offended, and maybe a bit stupid...mate.
>nice dubs tho
>>78771495
Accurate.
>>78771495
The answer is time. I would never hand in the Article 50 notice until you sit on a table with everyone with a signature ready trade and exit agreement. Then you simultaneously sign the Article 50 notice AND the agreement on trade and exit. That way the EU states can never pressure the UK on time.
Use article 50 immediately, use it before the lefties screw up britains chance to escape.
>>78772145
Clearly you underestimate our politicians. No. They need to be forced now, or it will not happen. The 'leavers' do not intend to go through with it, and this is from someone who was very pro Leave.
Even in my underestimation did I not foresee the lows that they would stoop to. If it is not triggered before Cameron stepped down, then it will not be done at all, I do not think.
>>78771495
Whoever was second in command should hand in article 50
>>78771495
Rubbish. Cameron is certainly being slimy by not doing it right away.
But apart from delaying things and perhaps trying dirty tactics, it doesn't make a difference. This will take time to happen. Doesn't matter who is the figurehead when the break starts.
>>78767467
Art of the deal says you should always negotiate from a position of strength.
Holding Article 50 over the heads of the EU like the sword of Damocles is a very good position to negotiate from.
The faster we hand out article 50, the sooner the Scots and other interested parties will do the right thing to save themselves.
Drawing it out only weakens Europe further and encourages more countries to try to split and bargain for their advantage - like Britain is trying to do. Acting now might even prompt a second referendum to reverse Brexit, since many Brits now claim they had no idea what they were voting for until the pound sterling took a nosedive.
>>78772281
Again, I do not think this is wise.
Think about it how it works in an M&A deal. The seller loves to have a hard deadline so he can pressure buyers to commit by that deadline. The buyers, on the other hand, typically want flexibility so that they have the upper hand and the seller cannot bluff itself to a better deal with a deadline.
Similarly with Brexit. If Article 50 was handed in now, and then there are negotiations and we end up being at May 2018 and in June 2018 Brexit looms, the UK would be pushed against the wall to compromise on a shitload of issues.
However, if no Article 50 is given, then the EU is pushed against the wall, because it doesn't want limbo forever, so it would be the EU to try to speed up the process.
This is why idiots like Schulz and Juncker are "outraged" that the Article 50 notice is not handed in immediately.
Lastly, there are EU elections in June 2019. Juncker and Schulz hate to have Brexit still ongoing or get close to the June 2019 vote.
>>78772498
>Holding Article 50 over the heads of the EU like the sword of Damocles is a very good position to negotiate from.
Exactly, you never actually hand in the Article 50 notice, you always just say "we may hand it in".
>>78772145
Why would the EU have any incentive to negotiate then? They can just drag it out while treating the UK even worse.
>>78772559
Oh Mutti
>>78767467
Looking at this map it really is amazing that the RAF was able to hold off the Krauts for so long.
>>78772688
Didn't your pm, or something, call for a time limit for the Brits to hand in article 50?
>>78772283
Yeah, Osbone... Righttt...
There is no real 'second in command' in UK politics. Technically the PM should be in regards to the Queen. But we all know that isn't the case.
>>78772713
Mutti is in favor of giving the Anglos everything they want. She hates Germany and wants to see it destroyed. I have no idea why so many of you hate Mutti, she has been your biggest boon throughout all of this.
>>78771495
>Scotland will break away
EU don't want Scotland, and IF, IF they did the Scots will have to agree to ALL terms and that includes the Euro AND Schengen, something for the Scots to mull over, not to mention the resulting Border between them and England, because there will be one.
Scotland may get a referendum but again, they'll be on their own, with a brand new currency which will need a long time for anybody to gain faith to invest in, if at all.
>Ireland
Ireland nothing will change, no Republic/NI border business as usual, Republic isn't a member of Schengen so little need for one, Scotland will be though IF and it's a big IF, EU did accept them.
>>78772498
If they don't plan on actually leaving, sure. They can negotiate a better "in" deal. But that'll only apply if they don't end up leaving. And if they don't, then those politicians are dead. Plus all other sorts of havoc as people realise their votes literally don't count. Hopefully Scotland will get independence like they should, leaving a more pro-leave country.
>>78772742
Krauts lacked a strong navy, and didn't invest in RADAR, the RAF was also being supplemented by a lot of international help, Czech Polish, American, and colonial pilots, forign aid a large portion American, but others helped too, and a host of other things.
But really Investment into RADAR and all the international aid are what made the Brits able to stand up so well. Well that and the Royal Navy.
>>78772616
>However, if no Article 50 is given, then the EU is pushed against the wall, because it doesn't want limbo forever, so it would be the EU to try to speed up the process.
This hurts Germany. Why would any German want this?
>>78772745
>Didn't your pm, or something, call for a time limit for the Brits to hand in article 50?
No, Merkel said it shouldn't take forever to hand in the notice, but she also said it is up to Brits when to do it and that she doesn't really mind what the actual timeframe is.
She also said yesterday that it is the UK which is in the driver's seat, that Britain needs to come up with an agenda and drafts of the agreements to be entered into and then the negotiations could start.
>>78772616
The two year thing is just a suggestion. It has no real force. The EU needs a deal as much as the UK. So the two year thing is a red herring.. The EU can't let the UK leave wth no deal. So they'll extend the date as needed or both come to a conclusion. It's so silly to pretend international rules matter at this level.
The only tactic might be too not actually leave, but demand really good terms in exchange for staying. But that'll probably cause riots as people realise what a sham democracy is.
>>78772706
>Why would the EU have any incentive to negotiate then? They can just drag it out while treating the UK even worse.
The EU has an incentive to not let other countries secede. As such, the more the EU is seen as a bully and asstards and the more the UK is seen as the good guys, the more likely it is that right wing anti-EU forces in EU states will rise.
That is why Merkel is very, VERY cautious right now and has handed strict guidelines to the German state media to make it appear that Brits actually all regret the decision and Germany is the good guy in all of this, while Britain is in chaos.
For instance, that the DAX dropped by 8% is never mentioned on German state TV, only that the pound dropped is mentioned.
There are elections in Germany next year, which are crucial for Germany. The current coaltion only polls at 50% right now and it is entirely possible that they will not have a majority next year... making Germany virtually ungovernable.
>>78767467
We'll wait as long as we like before triggering Article 50. Probably a year or two. It would not be in our interest to rush it.
What are you going to do, Eurocrats? Just cut us loose?
It's all slightly academic, anyway. The EU will be completely falling apart in 2 years time. Whether or not we have triggered Article 50 yet won't really matter.
>>78772900
They didn't invest in those things because Hitler never planned to invade the backstabbing scum that is the eternal Anglo. He wanted peace, but the imperialistic warmongerers wouldn't listen.
>muh poland
>we wuz defending poland and shiet
Really? You filthy lying cunts, then why didn't you attack the Soviet union too, don't you remember that the Soviets split Poland in two together with the Germans? Oh yes, but the real goal was to destroy the rising superpower that was nazi Germany, to further their filthy Anglo shit plans.
Anglos are the cancer that has been killing Europe for centuries.
>>78767467
Britain needs to have a pro-Brexit government firmly in place before they press the "Article 50" button.
Fuck Germany and the EU for wanting to start the process now, before the UK has the leadership in place to negotiate in good faith.
Boris needs to be the PM, and Nigel Farage and/or UKIP needs to have some kind of role formulating immigration policy.
>>78772990
>This hurts Germany. Why would any German want this?
German cons and social dems want a speedy withdrawal of the UK and to win the German elections next year.
The worst that can happen for the German elites is limbo, with Britain actually doing very well economically and German falling into a recession, the migrant crisis back in the news and AfD rising to 20%+ nationwide.
>>78773158
Why would the EU be bullying? If UK doesn't article 50, them the EU has no reason to negotiate. If anything it'll show other countries that the uk changed their minds or is having second thoughts.
>>78773180
>It's all slightly academic, anyway. The EU will be completely falling apart in 2 years time. Whether or not we have triggered Article 50 yet won't really matter.
Good things come to those who wait.
If it's not already gone in two years time, the EU should be in its final death throws.
>>78773180
>It would not be in our interest to rush it.
Pretty much, it'd be insane to trigger 50 now, when we can buy extra time to let the past few days settle down and start to plan properly before triggering it
>>78772863
>Ireland nothing will change, no Republic/NI border business as usual, Republic isn't a member of Schengen so little need for one
are you suggesting brit customs and immigration control have a section at Irelands entry points? or that Ireland negotiate juxtaposed immigration AND custom controls with EU member states on britains behalf?
>>78773098
>The two year thing is just a suggestion. It has no real force. The EU needs a deal as much as the UK. So the two year thing is a red herring..
Sorry, but this is completely wrong. The two year period after the Article 50 notice is a hard deadline. It can only be extended if all EU states agree. Every single one. Guess when EU states agreed on anything important without dissent the last time?
If Cyprus doesn't want to extend or Hungary or Austria or Poland etc., then the UK is out without an agreement. And if I were the UK, I would not risk this situation.
>>78771495
Not quite; trade agreements are already underway, most of them will probably be pre-established long before the UK pulls out of the EU, because constancy is such a good bargaining chip for both sides, it's in their interests to try and maintain any current economic relationships in as close to their current form as possible. As we've seen germany is already negotiating with the UK as is malaysia and australia, the markets have recovered to last tuesday (partially because of the injection given to them) but more importantly, the EU is doing worse financially than the UK.
As it turns out, it appears that the "looking crash to kill us all" has been more smoke and mirrors than a repeat of 2008. That said, it is certainly more credible than "brexit will cause the end of western civilization"
As for the referendum result not being binding; yes in theory it isn't, in practice there would be blood in the streets if the government ignored it. The tories and labour heads teamed up on this one and now they've both fucked it. The next move is obvious; Cameron is a capitalist cock-sucker and is hanging around to start the trade deals, once he bails it would be political suicide for his replacement to not trigger article 50, we then have up to two years while the UK negotiates away.
As it wasnt part of schengen then the only question about boarder controls is northern ireland, which can easily be handled by a treaty. The EU will likely piss on this attempt, but they fucked ireland over with the "chasing the celtic tiger" meme and have left them to rot ever since, so it probably wont go well.
The devolution of scotland (as much as I want it to occur) will not happen; the oil crash has left scotland with no exports unlike their position at the last referendum, the SNP has fucked everything up and has lost support, which in turn has cut the support for a leave vote, and even if they did leave, they would be blocked from entering the EU by spain.
>>78773225
>a pro-Brexit government
no such thing exists, even in the leave camp
they are all vipers
give them no choice
>>78773180
The longer you draw it out, the more of Germany's rapefugees the UK will get as they procure residence permits and migrate en masse across the Chunnel before the deadline.
>>78773370
>are you suggesting brit customs and immigration control have a section at Irelands entry points?
No I said nothing of the kind, like I said "nothing will change, no Republic/NI border business as usual"
>>78773180
>What are you going to do, Eurocrats? Just cut us loose?
I think the only thing the EU could do is just refuse to negotiate until the Article 50 notice has been handed in. The British public would then put pressure on the Westminster politicians to "get on with it".
Or in other words, it is not as easy as you make it sound. However, there are other dynamics as well, so let's see.
>>78773225
>and Nigel Farage and/or UKIP needs to have some kind of role
to be honest, this will never happen. Farage will not be allowed to take part in the exit negotiations. He won't have any role in it, whatsoever.
>>78773302
>and AfD rising to 20%+ nationwide.
Only 20%? I think the AfD can go MUCH, MUCH higher than that.
They had 24% in Saxony-Anhalt in March. Now add in another 2 million culture enrichers and then top things off with the Brexit vote (brought to you in part by Merkel herself), and I'll bet that 25% support for AfD is now the new normal.
By the end of the summer, I expect support for AfD to be above 30% and possibly surging.
>>78773302
>AfD rising to 20%+ nationwide
This would have happened with or without Brexit. But I agree, Brexit now securely sees the AfD taking over the SPD's position as 2nd biggest party in Germany. The worse it gets for Germany, the better it gets for the AfD.
If it gets really ugly and the AfD leadership are atypically smart, it might even make them a new permanent Volkspartei.
>>78768239
uk that isn't in the eu is better for the eu and the world
>>78773331
>If UK doesn't article 50, them the EU has no reason to negotiate.
It has. Let's say the UK comes up with a draft of their exit agreement and trade agreements and publishs them and asks to sit down with the EU states. And the EU says "njet, you have not handed in ARticle 50, comrades"... how will the EU be viewed in Europe?
>>78773450
>they would be blocked from entering the EU by spain.
I've heard this before but am unaware why spain objects to scotland so much?
>>78773332
>If it's not already gone in two years time, the EU should be in its final death throws.
You are all thinking too fast. The disintegration of the EU is contingent on the next national elections in many countries, on the economic situation in the next years, on referendas in several EU states, on the migrant crisis etc.
It takes a long time for an organisation like the EU to completely collapse. Think about Rome, it took decades for it to collapse even after its power had been pretty much completely eroded after waves of migrant crisis and decadence and corruption.
>>78767467
Apparently as soon as we invoke article 50, we have to leave the room and can have no part in the negotiations. So I hope whoever replaces Cameron is smart enough to negotiate the settlement before invoking article 50
>>78770100
Check'd and Kek'd
Praise KEK.
>>78773218
Woah easy with that edge, almost cut myself.
>>78767467
What we brits should do is nuke Brussels and rebuild the British empire.
We won't stop untill the union jack is the flag of germany , France and the rest of the continent. .....
>>78773739
eu isn't going to disintegrate, maybe sweden leaves but that's it
>>78773812
The pro EU states are the ones that pay nothing into the system
>>78773575
>Farage will not be allowed to take part in the exit negotiations. He won't have any role in it, whatsoever.
Farage and UKIP both deserve to play some kind of role in the official Brexit negotiations. Do you honestly think that the surging support for UKIP will now suddenly dry up simply because Brexit prevailed?
Ignoring UKIP and Farage is the same insane policy that the ruling coalitions are following in France and Germany against the National Front and the AfD, respectively. The cordon sanitaire will inevitably blow up in their face as right-wing, populist groups are marginalized even as their numbers surge in the polls.
>>78773587
You might be right, but it would be better not to alarm people.
>>78773716
Catalonia wishes to separate from the rest of Spain
>>78773716
Probably because after 300 years they are still salty about Gibraltar.
>>78773587
>Only 20%? I think the AfD can go MUCH, MUCH higher than that.
No, it cannot. You don't know how the propaganda in state media and in the public works here. This is literally 1984 around here. News is distorted, views are misrepresented, the AfD is depicted like the worst gay Nazis since Röhm and the German government is literally doing everything to hide the ongoing migrant crisis.
20% is enough to make a change. Right now they are at 15%. It is an uphill battle and the AfD hasn't got very good leaders, to be honest. Nobody charismatic like Le Pen or Trump or Boris Johnson.
>>78773905
they should
>>78767467
I think it's fine desu.
We have a potential Scottish referendum, a leadership contest and the collapse of the Labour party to deal with before we should start even planning to negotiate.
>>78773940
>Nobody charismatic like Le Pen or Trump or Boris Johnson.
What's wrong with Frauke? She seems pretty good to me as an outsider.
>>78773865
i still think sweden will reach a tipping point, brexit was about immigration, sweden has the same issue. swexit will happen i think
>>78770813
Motion by whom? The Labour party is tearing itself apart. The Tories are about to exchange Cameron with a leader who actually backed the apparent will of the people. Comrade Corbyn himself will probably back the Tories on bringing us out, judging by his actions so far.
>>78773900
>You might be right, but it would be better not to alarm people.
You might be right. I'll go back to calling the AfD a marginal party whose support will have dried up by next week.
Thanks for the reminder not to upset ordinary German voters with facts.
>>78773812
The EU is too useful to the USA under Obama and Clinton.
Okay if Trump wins and he secretly backs the AfD to take over the government, the EU will disintegrate.
this also hopefully makes the eu reconsider the amount of refugees or immigration they intake
>>78767467
>Are you for handing in the Article 50 notice immediately
they will wait the fuck out of it.
>Could negotiations actually take less than 2 years?
No, negotiations with Greenland took 4 years, fucking Greenland.
>When will Britain be truly free?
what do you mean by free? If they want acces to the single market (which they do)they have to stick to all the rules they've stuck to till now. (look at Switzerland and Norway) but from then on without any say.
>>78774043
It wasn't a prediction, it was a fact check in this case.
But it is possible to revoke Brexit by staving off the invoking of Article 50 until it is possible to call a General.
>>78774088
i find it hard to believe that trump wasn't put into the race by the democrats
Why is a nuclear armed state letting non-armed states threaten or bully them?
I'm beginning to believe that /pol/ fucked up Britain with constant shilling to leave. This might be soon revealed.
Fuck you retards.
>>78773746
>Apparently as soon as we invoke article 50, we have to leave the room and can have no part in the negotiations.
This is a bit of a myth. The UK only has to leave the room in relation to the discussion of the other 27 members about the exit and trade agreement which is negotiated with the UK.
However, on a practical level, the UK will for instance not take over the rotating EU presidency in the second half of 2017, considering it would not be in anyone's interest to do so. etc.
>>78773975
what i meant is, spain would likely block scotland from entering the EU, because they don’t want any problems back at home.
Accepting scotland while blocking catalonia would bring protests to the streets.
>>78773158
>The EU has an incentive to not let other countries secede.
Which means they want everyone to see that countries trying to leave get hammered.
>>78774145
Which would result in the 16 million people who voted for Brexit electing the party that promises to respect their wishes. Even if it's UKIP.
Any attempts to weasel out of this by the political class will just hurt them even more than this referendum already has. These Blairites need to stop spitting on their electorate.
>>78773866
>Farage and UKIP both deserve to play some kind of role in the official Brexit negotiations.
Whether or not they deserve it, is irrelevant. The Tories are in power, they will not let UKIP or Farage take part in negotiations. This would only raise the UKIP's profile.
>>78773866
>Do you honestly think that the surging support for UKIP will now suddenly dry up simply because Brexit prevailed?
Yes, I seriously think UKIP will not exist any more in a few years.
>>78774190
Why are you, the Slovaks, and the Hungarians so hostile to it? Is it because we're the biggest contributor? Surely you don't think you share any affinity in culture with the rest of the EU?
>>78771495
this reeks of "i dont follow politics"
there was never an implication that article 50 would be triggered the next day, what utter tripe
>>78773940
In the end, the AfD will have to succeed in something like a putsch to get real political power here. This is all theoretical, mind you.
While they are more mainstream than before due to the crisis, the German public is still not nationalist enough for a party like that to truly enter the mainstream and become the majority.
>>78771495
Seems we're up to "bargaining" already.
>>78774190
Concern troll alert
>>78774297
I wish you luck desu. No need to be rude. And when slav tell you that, you have a problem.
>>78773940
>You don't know how the propaganda in state media and in the public works here. This is literally 1984 around here. News is distorted, views are misrepresented, the AfD is depicted like the worst gay Nazis since Röhm and the German government is literally doing everything to hide the ongoing migrant crisis.
>Stop projecting!
I spend many hours each week on Deutsche Welle doing my part to expose Die Lügenpresse on their home turf. So I'm am intimately familiar with how the Lying Press works.
Overcoming propaganda from the state funded media is a huge obstacle, you're right. But you sound like a defeatist. No one said this would be easy.
And while Frauke Petry obviously is in a different universe compared to seasoned politicians like Boris, Farage, Le Pen, and Wilders, she is nevertheless a good face for the AfD. So far, it's hard to argue with the results from the regional elections in March. With time and coaching she will get better.
In the meantime, Germans like you could help enormously by translating more of her speeches and interviews into English.
>>78774029
>What's wrong with Frauke? She seems pretty good to me as an outsider.
She is not charismatic and women hate her. If she would be just a tad bit more like an actual woman, the party could have a lot more support. For instance, she could have long hair and dress better.
I am not kidding here, Petry just doesn't get that women in Germany also need to vote for the AfD and that 25% of German men supporting the AfD is not enough to win elections.
>>78774218
hmm i never realized that... oh well tough shit catalonia
>>78774029
>What's wrong with Frauke? She seems pretty good to me as an outsider.
I agree. Plus, she has MILF credentials, too.
>>78768319
gl mate germany needs at least one rich country in Europe to by its nice cars, and thats not you.
>>78771495
This is gold.
>>78772863
>EU don't want Scotland
They did this to appease Cameron two years ago. If Scotland decides to break away they would get most likely a deal to keep their old status plus some bonus.
Same for NI.
>>78771495
This is most likely very accurate. I also have the feeling that the leadership of the Brexit camp didn't actually want to win. They were aiming at getting votes for the next elections.
Now that that they won they realise that they have no real plan but the consequences might be very real.
Parliament would be well advised to dismiss any Brexit notions and go for new elections.
>>78774285
>Yes, I seriously think UKIP will not exist any more in a few years.
Farage is relaunching the party with a complete rebrand in a few months so we will see. I think his personality alone will actually garner voters.
>>78774090
I watched a talk show in Germany where a professor from the University of Buckingham was explaining (in excellent German, btw) that a significant part of Brexit was motivated by the refugee politics.
These idiots were literally shouting him down. They refused to hear what a British expert was saying on the subject, one that was friendly to the EU and who even spoke German. This is how deeply entrenched these stupid refugee people are in the media. It is literally a campaign of deliberate government brainwashing to prevent a dissenting opinion from being heard in any form.
>>78773218
Who the fuck are you anyway?
>>78774493
spains about to rebound with the exodus of brits wanting to maintain their eu citizenship, they'll need new cars
>>78767467
The TRAITORS need to get out NOW!
Hand it in TODAY!
>>78774417
>Frauke Petry
Please, that woman is retarded and in it for the money. Like 90% of the AfD.
>>78774090
>this also hopefully makes the eu reconsider the amount of refugees or immigration they intake
The EU has no say in the matter. This is a completely national agenda. Greece never had an incentive to block illegal migrants, their agenda was to shuttle them to Macedonia within 24 hours of their arrival. Right now, hundreds of migrants pass into Greece and Bulgaria via Turkey each day illegally via the land borders and move on. Nobody gives a fuck about them down there, because they move on to Austria and Germany.
Germany is idiotic, because the economy is good and "muhhh refugees are poor fleeing kids"... and because of "muhhh rules, Geneva convention" nobody who arrives is sent back to their homes.
Or in other words, the illegal migration will continue for the next few years until one of two things happen: A. a big terrorist attack in Germany which lets people wake up and vote right wing or B. an economic collapse of Germany which lets people wake up and vote right wing.
>>78774167
>Why is a nuclear armed state letting non-armed states threaten or bully them?
It's the economy, stupid.
>>78774589
probably some kind of diversion tactic employed by powerful vested interests to sway the tone of topic to a certain way they prefer
>>78774479
She angered a lot of women with what she said about shooting children.
>>78773511
border entry point to UK there won't be any attempt to check passports? the campaign was run on winning back 'control' of borders. how does UK hope to enforce its laws regarding immigration, customs&excise, security etc?
>>78767467
I think October is best but it must be no later. What I don't want are the Leftist mongs to ruin our freedom with insane demands we keep wiping the arse of useless brown parasites who are gradually erasing our identity.
>>78773218
Fuck off jerryboo
>>78774253
>Which means they want everyone to see that countries trying to leave get hammered.
To some extent, yes. More like, the UK should not get a sweet deal. The UK needs to be seen as an example of a salty deal which is worse enough for other states not to do the same, but good enough to continue with normal trade in the future.
>>78774554
Shocked Boris was priceless. He had the quintessential "Oh lawd, what have we done" face. But in the end everythign will be fine. Everything will stay as it is. In terms of free movement and the singlemarket. Just that Britain has nothing to say anymore wont get any subs anymore and the EU cant tell them how much water their toilets have to use to flush those fish&chips shits.
We should wait so we destroy all economies
>>78773940
>AfD hasn't got very good leaders
This. The AFD is a fucking clusterfuck of egos and quite frankly, dumb people. I wish for a germany party that had a charismatic leader and would actually sell the anti-EU and refugee sentiment without making it sound like they are Hitler 2.0 to the common german. Some of the shit they said could be straight outta /pol/.
>>78774800
that would be retarded, let's embrace democracy, not fascism
>>78774589
what fucking media are you watching? Everyone i saw in the media was perfectly aware that the Merkel refugee policy is to blame for a large part. I literally saw noone in the German media denying this.
>>78774412
>"Fuck you retards."
>"No need to be rude."
C'mon now.
>>78774666
>Or in other words, the illegal migration will continue for the next few years
except German govt. wants to distribute the illegals all over EU. it can (and will) continue ad infinitum.
>>78774442
>women hate her.
Dare i ask on what grounds?
>>78774479
Agreed, not just a Milf but a smart Milf that's quite the catch.
>>78774554
>This is most likely very accurate.
Time will tell, I hope it isn't however as the backlash will be septic.
>>78774762
>shooting children.
Could she be more perfect?
>>78774837
>Hitler 2.0 to the common german.
Literally impossible in the current climate when even sensible suggestions anywhere right of left get the same label.
>>78774810
this, Desu. Im serious this would be the best thing only from the rubble something new and better can be built.
>>78774762
No offense to you i understand that Germany is in a very hard position but your women are worthless they have terribly over inflated opinions of themselves and rarely have more than one child each.
Frauke Petry has three children while Mutti has Zero.
>>78774029
Frauke has 0 charisma. She is really bad when she gets cornered and quite frankly tends to be very emotional in her arguments. Typical woman.
There are very few politicians in Germany who have any form of charisma. Merkle has none. Her modus opperandi is simply remaining silent in times of hardship. Only guy who is somewhat talented is Chris Lidner from the FDP. Really good talker, smooth and pretty much the only reason the FDP hasn't dissolved by now. Too bad his party has 0 chances right now.
RIGHT FUCKING NOW
Seriously. It needs to be done fast to prevent the cucks from Jewing their way out of the Brexit.
>>78774326
>there was never an implication that article 50 would be triggered the next day, what utter tripe
Ok, sorry, but Cameron said it in parliament a few months back during a question time.
>>78774589
>It is literally a campaign of deliberate government brainwashing to prevent a dissenting opinion from being heard in any form.
True enough. But I have friends in Germany too, some of whom were initially hoping for the best. All of them have taken the red pill by now. All of them.
Ordinary people can finally see things with their own eyes. The Lying Press is no longer the sole source of information for ordinary people.
Trust what you see.
>>78774877
If the UK is lucky they get a deal like Norway which means they have to pay for the access to the market and allow freedom of travel/work.
Without having any say on the policy of course.
And that's the best scenario.
>>78774762
>She angered a lot of women with what she said about shooting children.
t. She never said that and you know it! She was asked a loaded question, which she should have side-stepped. It's a Lying Press meme.
:facepalm:
>>78774589
>I watched a talk show in Germany where a professor from the University of Buckingham was explaining
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtW5uVDVw_o
>>78775263
>implying shooting rapefugees isn't the most humane answer
The government must protect its border at all costs. Look at California for what happens if you don't protect your border.
>>78775114
>>78775263
Stop making yourself a fool.
People in Germany are opposed to uncontrolled immigration by a larger margin. They also know that the AfD is not reliable in any way.
>>78774803
>Shocked Boris was priceless. He had the quintessential "Oh lawd, what have we done" face.
For your interpretation to be true, one would have to assume that instead of furthering his political career by setting himself up as the leading spokesman for the Brexit camp, Boris decided instead to champion what he expected to be a failing cause because doing THIS would be a better kickstart to his aspirations to become Prime Minister.
You're cucked if you believe this.
>>78774784
>I think October is best but it must be no later.
It could, however, also be that Boris just doesn't hand it in at all and starts negotiating without the notice. A bit like the Greeks did it.
>>78774877
>that would be retarded, let's embrace democracy, not fascism
I just explained how things would be, not how I want it to be.
>>78774837
>The AFD is a fucking clusterfuck of egos and quite frankly, dumb people.
Left-wing German Shill Alert. Reported.
Shill Alert. Achtung!
>>78771495
Actually if Cameron wanted to be a dick he would do it quickly, triggering article 50 now would put Leave in a way worse position.
>>78774906
>except German govt. wants to distribute the illegals all over EU. it can (and will) continue ad infinitum.
We know that the other EU states do not accept illegals. Germany is currently taking in 70% of all illegals coming to the EU. For instance Italy is not registering the illegals, so that Germany cnanot send them back to Italy under Dublin.
Even funnier, EU states have sent more illegals to Germany this year under Dublin than Germany has sent to other EU states. For instance Sweden is sending pretty much everyone who arrives and has been registered in Germany back to Germany.
>>78772559
>since many Brits now claim they had no idea what they were voting for until the pound sterling took a nosedive.
Did you pop over to Britain this morning, Hans? They will leave, the pound will recover and your women will be enriched.
You're in the denial stage m8, we're passed anger and nearly in to bargaining
>>78775432
>People in Germany are opposed to uncontrolled immigration by a larger margin.
Everyone I know, be it my parents, collegues, friends or even my fucking landlord are all opposed to migrants. And most of my friends are students, those people that always are pictures as leftist fuckheads.
And I am not surprised, economic migrants and most refugees only cost money, disrupt the public life while demanding more and more shit. Every German can feel the quality of life dropping.
I mean for fucks sake, the turkish people I know, all working and tax paying- are the ones who hate the migrants most.
>>78775069
>There are very few politicians in Germany who have any form of charisma.
Schäuble has. I am serious. Same with Seehofer.
>Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.
>>78775470
Being the spokesman for the Brexit camp is one thing.
Going into history as the Prime Minister who set in motion the destruction of the UK is another. No one wants a job with those risks attached.
That's why reelections are the most likely outcome here.
>>78775056
Good point. I'll take a junior politician with 3 children over a scheming but barren former East German mutti any day.
>>78773975
Fuck off.
>>78775432
>People in Germany are opposed to uncontrolled immigration by a larger margin. They also know that the AfD is not reliable in any way.
this is correct.
>>78775542
Listen, Burger, just because I agree with most points the AfD makes doesn't mean that I should be blind for the problems the party has. And I am sorry, the AfD simply isn't able to lead any strong opposition to the leftist tendencies in my country because they have so much internal squabble and 0 personality. And it is my fucking duty to actually say this BECAUSE I want their agenda to succeed and not get thrown under the bus due to the AfD being absolute retards.
>>78775668
>Every German can feel the quality of life dropping.
This has mainly nothing to do with immigration.
The problem are the people who voted for Merkel/CDU for years. Didn't they realise who they voted for? Those are the people who are responsible for the mess we are in today.
>>78775432
>You're the fool, shill.
Germans know that the only party willing to talk about the immigration and migration crisis is the AfD.
Period.
There are no other options. You think Germans are concerned about "reliability"? Are you fucking kidding me? They're concerned about being overrun by Muslims, not about whether the AfD is "reliable".
>>78772616
You are 100% correct. There is no advantage to triggering article 50 now. It will only put an unnecessary 2 year deadline in place which will be wasted on Tory and Labour leadership squabbles
>>78775194
>If the UK is lucky they get a deal like Norway which means they have to pay for the access to the market and allow freedom of travel/work.
>Without having any say on the policy of course.
>And that's the best scenario.
Another Left-ist meme. "You'll still have to accept the free movement of people without having any say."
How can you reconcile the fact that this referendum was in large measure about immigration, borders, and the movement of people and then suggest that Britain will agree to an arrangement that does not give them full control over borders and the movement of people?
This is the new Campaign of Fear 2.0. But it won't work. Two day sin to Brexit, you do not have a crystal ball my German friend. As is apparent to anyone reading your posts.
>>78775875
>This has mainly nothing to do with immigration.
It has partially to do with it.
Germany could have lowered taxes this year in the amounts of billions which are now spent on "refugees".
>>78776107
>You are 100% correct. There is no advantage to triggering article 50 now. It will only put an unnecessary 2 year deadline in place which will be wasted on Tory and Labour leadership squabbles
Thanks, at least someone gets it.
Better to have the "June 2019" deadline which are the next EU elections... which puts the EU on the spot, not the UK.
Art of the deal.
>>78775896
>They're concerned about being overrun by Muslims
Stoping with the hyperbole would be a a first step on the way to be taking seriously.
The problems here are all handmade by people voting for the conservative party (Merkel/CDU) for years.
>>78775896
>You think Germans are concerned about "reliability"?
I know. Instead of getting my info from the internet I actually live here...
>>78776163
>>78776163
>Germany could have lowered taxes this year in the amounts of billions
But it would have never done that. They would have been spend on rescueing some banks or something else. You know that too.
>>78775875
Okay, just a few tidbits out of my daily life:
>University
Less spots for German/EU citizens due to mandatory refugee acceptance, despite most of them not having any qualifications. But hey, that will help integrate them, right? Nope, most of them take arabic language classes and fucking religion (islam) classes. And guess what, due to the high demand for this our Uni has to cut budget for other shit while hiring new professors... from fucking turky. Also thre is a special prayer room now in the main building of our uni.
>anything regarding officials
Two years ago it took maybe 2 weeks to get a Meldebescheinigung from the local Bürgerbüro. Now it literally take half a year because they are busy all day handeling the fucking refugees
>crime
Crime is at an all time high, especially petty burglary. You won't hear that in big new outlets though, you have to study the local press.
>safety
Cologne, enough said.
>state bends over for muslims
You know how hard it is to get land to build on from the german state? Well that is unless you want to bild a mosque. City of Monheim gifts land to islam societies to build two mosques.
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/monheim-stadt-ueberlaesst-islamischen-gemeinden-bauland-a-1098264.html
I could go on all day. Quality of life is dropping, Germans don't feel safe and at home in their own country anymore.
>>78776342
>But it would have never done that. They would have been spend on rescueing some banks or something else. You know that too.
Wrong, it would have been done. I am not kidding. It would not have made sense to have 2% budget surpluses... but even if we had those and no lower taxes, in a few years the taxes would have been lower, because the national debt would have fallen significantly.
>>78776160
>Another Left-ist meme. "You'll still have to accept the free movement of people without having any say."
This is for EU citizens only. And yes, it's part of the deal for full access to the market. Always has been.
>>78776484
I want your trust in politicians...
>>78776160
Nigger, free access to the singlemarket means the free movement of goods and labour. Norway and Switzerland have that deal. If you think Britain will simply refuse that deal you are wrong, mark my words and if you think the EU will grant Britain free access to the single market without having access to theirs you are outright delusional.
So how will the Chunnel be handled if the UK and France no longer have free border access?
Seems like it would be a headache to actually monitor people using it.
>>78774628
M8 those brits will be land whales and nu-males, treacherous liberal filth and spoiled girls with daddies money
>>78776766
>So how will the Chunnel be handled if the UK and France no longer have free border access?
There is no free border access right now.
The tunnel under the channel is currently managed with a bilateral treaty that has nothing to do with the EU.
>>78776386
You are not wrong here but:
>state bends over for muslims
This won't change until we get a new law to make us a true secular country in which religion is state funded. Won't happen ever with the CDU though for obvious reasons.
>safety
>Cologne
True enough. But who is responible for downsizing our police forces. This where money should be spent instead on stuff like Stuttgart 21.
Overall this more feeling than fact though.
Peole are quite content with their personal situation but feel that the country is getting worse. I don't feel any different than 10 years ago.
>>78774903
you have to realise the serbocroatian/serbian/croatian language is known for swear words. People use them all the time without intend to offend someone.
He may say "I’ll fuck your mother"; it doesn’t necessarily means it’s an insult, but rather filler words.
>>78771495
>All that remain delusion
Cameron had, literally had, to resign. You can back the loosing side of a referendum to the extent that Cameron did and then carry on leading the country. Based on that everything else makes perfect sense, 3 months for the tories to get there house in order and pick the next pm, after which it should be the new pm that enacts article 50.
What Cameron said during the campaign is irrelevant, he clearly thought remain would win.
Why Johnson looked less than usual is completely unknown to me, you, or anyone else. It could just have been that he'd been up all the previous night watching the results come in. It's just an inference based on nothing but personal bias.
Like I said it's nothing but remain delusion. Cameron has said the will of the people has to be followed, Corbyn has said the same, our EU commissioner has resigned, and the EU has said it wants us out. Article 50 will be triggered, it's just a question of when and by who.
>>78767467
When the MPs voted for leave in the parliament. the referendum is just a public opinion.
>>78777196
Actually no. Many brits living here in Germany for years are now applying for German citizenship.
Will happen in other EU states too.
They need time to replace Cameron, and consolidate a game plan for bargaining with the EU. There also needs to be some preamble with the EU to make sure this shit gets sorted within 2 years, global economic deals on this level normally take 10+ years at best and leaving an entire country in the lurch for that long would have disasterous consequences for the EU more than anyone (considering how much shit britain Imports and Exports from the EU, the ripples would fuck more in the EU than Britain).
Also, as far as i know Article 50 has never actually been invoked, so it's as much an issue of the EU needing time to figure out what the fuck they're going to do as Britain.
>>78777459
>Like I said it's nothing but remain delusion. Cameron has said the will of the people has to be followed, Corbyn has said the same, our EU commissioner has resigned, and the EU has said it wants us out. Article 50 will be triggered, it's just a question of when and by who.
with a big emphasis on when. I highly doubt Johnson will send in a notice in October or thereafter... if there is no agreement in principle on core exit and trade issues.
>>78777464
>When the MPs voted for leave in the parliament. the referendum is just a public opinion.
Actually, I do not think the MPs need to vote on this. An Article 50 notice is in the hands of the executive in the UK, no need for a legislative act. But let me know, if you think differently and why.
>>78777646
>considering how much shit britain Imports and Exports from the EU, the ripples would fuck more in the EU than Britain
this one has been pointed out as incorrect quite often now. You do know that there is no free trade treaty with the US and Australia, right? and that goods trading with both is still going on on a large scale, right?
There doesn't have to be a trade agreement with the UK to continue goods trading. Services is a different matter, but the EU doesn't care about services exports to the UK because they are small, while the UK cares about services exports into the EU from London.
>>78777547
You'd be so willing to accept traitors into your country? No, you should send them back to the UK with a fucking brand on thier foreheads for thier own countrymen to deal with, the kind of people who are leaving the UK over this are not the sort of people you want in your own country
>>78777776
Don't get me wrong, but isn't it necessary to invoke article 50 to actually start negotiations on exit terms?
>>78777892
>Actually, I do not think the MPs need to vote on this.
Technically no but since it was Cameron who made the promise and if he resigns before any decision is made. I would get backing from parliament.
>>78778093
Stop being retarded. This are people who haven been living and working in Germany for years. Having families here and all.
>>78778376
>Don't get me wrong, but isn't it necessary to invoke article 50 to actually start negotiations on exit terms?
No, it is not. You can negotiate about anything you want. You just can't sign it until the Article 50 notice has been handed in.
The question is then a chicken-egg problem, ... if the UK doesn't hand in the notice, the EU may say "then we don't negotiate"... it is a question of who will budge first, the UK or the EU.
>>78777776
True, I've no idea when notice will be sent, but I'd suspect before the of the year.
>Johnson
I'm not convinced he'll be the next PM, there's already a group of high profile Tory MPs trying to block him taking office, as well as Theresa May. I'm thinking (hoping?) that they go with Priti Patel
>Woman
>Indian
>Parents were immigrants
>Self made
>Actual practicing Hindu
>Supported Brexit
Choosing her would let them shore up support on multiple fronts. The only problem is that she's quite young which is going to be a big mark against her, particularly with what we're about to go into. That said I think can be off set, assuming most of the negotiations are done via diplomats and mediators.
Personally I just want to see the collective left wing aneurysm when such a "diverse" woman becomes leader of the Conservative party.
We should do the t as quickly as possible because there are lots of vested interests already plotting ways of overturning the result. The EU is literally the most important thing in the world to these people.
>>78773940
Germany is filled with so many turks and leftists that will vote for ISIS before they will vote for AFD.
>>78778719
>Priti Patel
God help you. That would be a disaster for the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luvevilhObg
>>78767467
Shit. I thought the bongs were just using the referendum to spook the EU and get a better deal regarding migrants. Actually leaving takes too much work.
>>78779090
>Germany is filled with so many turks and leftists that will vote for ISIS before they will vote for AFD.
Yes, this is correct. Inshallah, the Islamic State will rise.
>tfw the MPs refuse to let us leave the EU, but the Queen dissolves parliament and saves us
>>78767467
Doesn't matter. Just start building market share globally to boost jobs and national income.
>>78767467
>Article 50
What are they (EU)going to do anyway?? All this talk about getting kicked out >>its a fuckin piece of paper UK conservatives will do as they see fit for the UK now.
>>78768945
Do it all over skype fuck meeting the EU fags!! JUst make your companies profitable thru trade ties with the rest of the world.
>>78770813
Well nominate a PM now! don't you have a Deputy PM?
>>78767467
EU wants us gone quickly due to the contagion.
Germany is advising EU council to give us "associated partner" status with the EU bloc giving us access to the single market without the EU strings.
EU council meeting is next week and Cameron is set to meet them then. Article 50 could be enacted then. EU has told the UK to get to work "right now" on the 100,000 pages of EU laws and regulations put on Britain over 40 years and destroy the ones we don't want and keep the ones we do.
>>78778719
Don't forget she's been bleached.
She's married to a white man and has a mixed kid.
>>78774371
modified this for you
>>78771495
Good the article is triggered then Cameron steps down..the show is all go! Draft a new piece of legislation to give the option of excluding or keeping any former laws and agreements with the EU nations.
Reminder: First day of Brexit aftermath.
>>78772616
give of an example of a any Issues that the UK would be pressed on by the EU?
>>78783043
>Article 50 could be enacted then.
It will not. I am pretty convinced now that Article 50 will not be invoked until at the very earliest next year. Because the target date for an exit can be 1 January 2019 at the earliest. That means, in order to avoid to have to get a unanimous extension by all EU states, you need to hand in the notice at the very earliest on 1 January 2017.
>>78773225
I agree with this!
>>78773450
The UK is fucked without a capitalist economy but I agree with the rest of ur post.
>>78783347
>give of an example of a any Issues that the UK would be pressed on by the EU?
Sure:
1. Capital Markets Union and access
2. Banking Union and regulation
3. Banking passporting
4. Insurance passporting
5. Non-banking financial services passporting
6. Fisheries
7. Agricultural export subsidies
8. State subsidy bans
9. Telecoms market
10. Intellectual property and privacy legislation and cooperation
11. Free movement of labor
12. Free movement of capital
13. Budget contributions for partial access to teh single market
14. Acceptance of market and industry standards on goods trading
15. Environmental standards
etc.
The EU are just trying to be relevant by demanding we leave right now this instant.
It's face saving, and they know it's weak and really just making them look even less relevant than ever.
The thing is, despite Cameron and Gideon pretending there were no plans for Brexit, there has been a Whitehall office stuffed with civil servants dedicated to working out the legal paperwork and a full contingency plan for all eventualities since 2013 when it became apparent the electorate were waking up.
This has been fully planned out, and almost certainly preliminary discussions about new treaties etc have already taken place all over the planet way before last Thursdsay.
We'll be gone most likely 2020.
>>78783576
1-5 probably already being sorted between the companies most effected.
same for 6&7&9 once the recommendations are complete they are forwarde to Government to vote on then passed.
8.these may be either kept or ditched. this is where the meat of it is.
10. a case by case basis for the courts to consider as it arises.
11an immigration issue same as you have except the UK has the right to stop any and all immigration at any time for any reason.
13 scrapped
15 scrapped.
let the negotiations begin.
>>78784155
>1-5 probably already being sorted between the companies most effected.
You do not know anything about finance and capital markets. I work in that field. It is all about regulations, which is why e.g. US companies access principally the US markets and European companies access principally European markets etc. As to banks and insurance companies, it is all about supervision and regulation.
This is the key issue for exit negotiations.
>same for 6&7&9 once the recommendations are complete they are forwarde to Government to vote on then passed.
Not sure what you mean, but the EU states have very different interests to the UK in these areas.
>8.these may be either kept or ditched. this is where the meat of it is.
no, state subsidies is an important issue but it is not the "meat" of the negotiations.
>10. a case by case basis for the courts to consider as it arises.
then you think it would not be included in an exit agreement. Highly unlikely in a modern world which is all about IP.
>11an immigration issue same as you have except the UK has the right to stop any and all immigration at any time for any reason.
and why should the EU states agree to that, when it has been clear for the last decades that the price to access the single market is free movement?
>13 scrapped
Then why are Norway and Switzerland paying money to the EU?
>15 scrapped.
Why should the EU agree to that? E.g. why should France agree that the UK can dumb nuclear waste into the Channel?
>let the negotiations begin.
yes, next year... as per Britain's timetable.
>>78775676
>Going into history as the Prime Minister who set in motion the destruction of the UK is another.
Dave already took that role. Cunt gambled the country's future to win an general election and quell decent in his own party.
>>78784469
1-5well you better hope those companies are onto it or are you saying they don't have any plans for ths?
6,7,9 that's right all Im concerned about is whats best for the UK not the EU member
states
8.I'm not interested in proping up an EU member state if its not beneficial to UK economic growth.
10 if it IS included in an agreement GOOD see 1-5, if not its to be sent to the courts of UK arbitration.
11 see 8
13 see 8
15 see 8
you got it chum!
>>78785232
and 12' free movement of capital trade' same as i-5 if the finacial institutuions do not already have a plan ready to submit to Gov...then that needs to be brought to the head of the UK governments finance dept asap
>>78785232
>1-5well you better hope those companies are onto it or are you saying they don't have any plans for ths?
They have plans, including the relocation of staff to the EU and opening banks and insurance companies which are regulated in the EU there.
>6,7,9 that's right all Im concerned about is whats best for the UK not the EU member
And all the EU states care about is what is better for them, not the UK. Not kidding there, m8.
>states
>8.I'm not interested in proping up an EU member state if its not beneficial to UK economic growth.
And vice versa for the EU states.
>10 if it IS included in an agreement GOOD see 1-5, if not its to be sent to the courts of UK arbitration.
If it is not included in an exit agreement, other things which benefit the UK are also not included, or the agreement fails in total (rememember Greece?)
>11 see 8
>13 see 8
>15 see 8
>you got it chum!
See above, I doubt this will be easy negotations. I can see that this shit all falls apart at some point and the UK will just drop out of the EU without an agreement - this is entirely possible.
>>78783140
>bleached
Colonised, mah nigga.
>>78785474
Some poor arguments there..you assume the EU is prosperous?? and will be prosperous into the future. You assume that big finance will actually deliver on idle threats! we will see.
What needs to happen is to get the UK out of the single market, as long as they demand freedom of movement. When this happens is less important- only that it does happen.
The cunt Hannan was asking for freedom of movement the other day. Beware that cuck.
