>Stephen Crowder Schools SkyNews
Not a fan of his but this was pretty brutal.
https://youtu.be/mD_-JKvSJrc
>>78583250
>Sky news
Some pussy that knows shit about weapons brings on someone who knows alot about weapons. What were they thinking?
This was fucking great
I wish he spent more time smartly tearing people down and less time being an annoying douche.
>>78583250
Crowder is incredibly stupid. He hates the alt-right, but is one of their mouthpieces. He's worse than Mike Cernovich. He's funny sometimes, though. I enjoyed that Quebecois character he did.
>>78583250
why does /pol/ hate this guy?
>>78585752
I agree. He's good at combating people with facts and terrible at being "funny."
>>78583250
I don't know, man. He is way too defensive. Definitely wouldn't win anyone over.
>Says Crowder lives in Texas
>Actually lives in Michigan
Wat?
>6:45
absolutely wasted
>>78583250
Savage as FUCK. SkyLad couldn't take the bants.
>>78583427
>What were they thinking?
If antigunners were the thinking types they wouldn't be antigun
>>78586087
Okay, I retract my statement. He's not stupid. This was an incredibly well-reasoned and brutal argument. I still don't like him, though.
lawd jesus
that was gold
>>78583250
instead of dealing mostly with the inefficacy of banning semi-automatic rifles when it comes to mass killings, he autistically describes the difference between semi-automatics and automatics so he can win points for his internet crowd.
>>78583250
>"I hope you've got your safety catch on your weapon."
Bahaha this pathetic old cuck was so buttblasted he couldn't help trying a last second burn. Sad!
>>78587348
He pointed out that the narrative of "Republicans want to allow terrorists to buy guns" is false, and that the reason the there's a backlash against the proposed restrictions are due to the lack of due process, while pointing out various other media inaccuracies.
>>78583427
they were thinking a smalltime youtube dj can't trounce someone on a big deal mainstream media outlet.
they thought they were bringing on a pewdiepie tier guy and got a slightly smarter than pewdiepie youtuber.
>>78587348
I saw it more as he was demonstrating that "gun control" people don't even understand the basics of the issue they argue so passionately.
>>78587348
he did better than that fami
he actually addressed the real problem: Radical Islam
>>78587348
The shaping of the argument is important for the opinion of the audience.
He was right in 'correcting the record' on the weapon used because the phrasing of the bills being passed in contrast to how it is reported is critical.
The media reports republicans want terrorists to kill everyone. They never mention the due process of implications of ignoring due process.
>>78583250
What were they thinking
>>78583250
Stephen was right about the things he was talking about, but he was coming swinging with accusations and whatnot. That might work well for him for his youtube channel but if he's trying to win over the general populous on TV he might want to tone himself down a little.
>>78586087
>>78586998
He's very reasonable and articulate in general.
>>78583250
>live 13:37 Texas
nice
>>78588121
yup he came of a bit fedoraishhh but over all it was a good ass raping
>radio host
HAHAHAHA
>>78587598
I know he did that which was good, but he devotes a good amount of time getting agitated at the Brit for use of terminology.
You could describe the difference and then immediately devote the rest of the short segment to the implications, but instead he's grandstanding and attempting to humiliate the guy. Sure that's great for entertainment, but to red-pill people on the media spin on the gun situation? Definitely not. It looks like a gun nut is being autistic and emotional over someone not caring enough to distinguish between one thing that shoots alot of bullets quickly, and another that shoots slightly faster.
>>78587348
If you don't define the terms properly in a debate then everything afterwards is poisoned. If you let them go on the very basic facts then they will use them to make unreasonable opinions sound reasonable.
If you want to destroy people who have shaky footing as he did, then you need to do exactly what he did there. Always, ALWAYS start with definitions and make sure those are correct and honest before going any further.
>>78588505
he's very educated on guns and gun laws and speaks very fluently in arguing with other people about them. Honestly we need more people like him debating on CNN and shit and less people who let the left get away with slimy definitions while lazily sticking to "muh 2nd amendment," they do half their opponents work for them when they do that.
>>78588121
A lot of people don't project this idea of the 'masses' as coolly rational.
If leftist propaganda proves anything, it is how swayed by emotions the average person is.
It isn't ideal, but the attention span and logic ability of average tv viewer today is trash.
>>78588698
We make laws using definitions
If you use the wrong definitions and words while agitating for laws why should I trust these laws?
You've given up yourself to irrationality simply because you don't know what you are talking about and are just spewing words all over the place
>>78586133
He talks shit about the alt-right and frequently uses his admittedly impressive speaking ability to act like an annoying heckler rather than push an agenda /pol/ finds favorable.
I don't necessarily like Crowder, but I respect him. Not "one of us", but we agree on some issues and he's pretty damned good at being a radio host. Good sense of humor, too, when he doesn't misuse it horribly.
>>78588698
Someone being intentionally deceptive should be pointed out and hammered down on.
It's disgusting.
>>78586133
cruz shill and said he'd be fine with America becoming 100% nonwhite as long as muh values were kept.. he doesn't realize that the only people keeping conservative values alive are whites
>>78589437
>the only people keeping conservative values alive are whites
Delusion.
>>78589135
>he talks shit about the alt-right
>pol doesn't like that
We're not the alt-right, for one.
People talk shit about stephen because he's a talking piece for the old religious right.
But perhaps his cardinal sin is that he's not funny but tries to be. He tries way to fucking hard to be funny and loud. It's just insufferable.
>>78589655
remove/replace the white population and the GOP will never win again, at least not a GOP who preaches small government and liberty
look at any polling by demographics and you'll see that you're the delusional one
>>78589135
>when he doesn't misuse it horribly
>>78589703
Yeah, that jewish faggot Milo is way better.
>>78589983
>97% of niggers vote democrat
>i'll just post a pic of one conservative nigger, that'll show him
kys
>>78587348
Because the difference between the two is huge and the media is deliberately lying to manipulate the ignorant about what the firearms people buy in gun shops actually are.
>Grown men
>Actually had a sit-in protest
"Why do you need a gun Mr. crazy american?" "Because I drew Mohammad"
"um... ASSAULT WEAPONS!!"
>>78590154
>the only people keeping conservative values alive are whites
>the only people
>the only
>only
kys baka desu senpai
The human rights jab at the UK was pretty gud.
>>78589114
I'll lay this out very clearly for you. I'm critiquing his ability at getting the crucial message across to otherwise very far left people without resorting to grandstanding and winning internet points via humiliation tactics.
Is that clear enough burger? I never once said that I thought the difference didn't matter, but that using the Brit's misunderstanding for extra bantz is a waste of time in such a short format.
>>78590401
>if you removed the only voting block that votes majority republican, it wouldn't matter becuz muh thomas sowell
niggerlogic
>>78590438
>>78586710
He kept having to dance around "That was the term the police used" and I didn't know what I would have replied with either. Were the police wrong to say "assault"?
>>78583250
>guns
>fundamental human right
okeeey
>>78590501
I get your point, if it makes you feel better. You're not going to win over the far left no matter what you say, though. At the very least he sowed the seeds of doubt in their minds when it comes to factual reporting in the media.
>>78590700
>the only people keeping conservative values alive are whites
>the only people
>the only
>only
>>78588215
He is. I don't like his personality, but he's right 95% of the time.
>>78590774
self defense is a fundamental human right you idiot
>>78590077
>that milo faggot is better
Again, we're not the alt-right. Stop assuming who I like and dislike based on a label, dipshit.
Fucking first summer out of high school or something? God damn.
>>78583250
>>78590289
I loved that part. I also loved the lying that he did not have security.
>>78590987
ah ok, so that's why people in gun controlled countries can't defend themselves from anything.
>>78590774
when you become a relevant country you can criticize us, okay champ?
>>78587677
if his sole intention was just to 'btfo' out of someone then I guess he did well. But I thought it was kind of a missed opportunity to reel in people who have the bias that right wingers have a disregard for human life, and outsized love of guns.
I know he said enough in the interview to give someone food for thought, but I'm thinking in terms of how he will be interpreted emotionally.
>>78590774
What's wrong Aquafresh? Too much freedom for you?
>>78590774
Precisely his point, colgate. The right to defend yourself is a fundamental human right americans will not relinquish no matter how many european countries act snooty.
>>78583250
I fucking hate this guy's voice.
Why put a guy with a weak voice on radio? It's maddening
Not to mention he's the most mainline of mainline Republicans
>>78586471
They were probably looking for what they thought was an obnoxious American to frame as goofy and foolish for liking guns.
>>78583250
>Not a fan of his but this was pretty brutal.
He covered a lot of shit that the public needs to know in a short discussion. Couldn't ask for more.
>>78590774
Nigga do you even Locke?
You need some judge Napolitano schooling
https://youtu.be/4orlWZeF6sg
>>78591126
o-ok b-bossman
>>78590774
>guns aren't a human right. human rights are things like wifi.
>>78583250
ABSOLUTELY BTFO
>>78589437
>he doesn't realize that the only people keeping conservative values alive are whites
The people pushing hardest to kill conservative values are white.
>>78591117
You've proven exactly that, yes.
>government says they're enacting some shit
>people refuse
>tough shit. government does it anyway
What recourse do you have? Grumble impotently in pubs? (for now)
>>78590831
white people, as a group, are the only ones who are majority in favor of conservative values. if whites are to be demographically replaced, then the conservative movement will lose power and practically cease to exist.
you can keep repeating that autistic strawman if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that what I say is true.
>>78591117
>can't defend themselves from anything.
Explain what other tool in existence will allow a 90lb 80 year old woman to single handedly fend off 5 male wannabe attackers with nothing more than fist.
>>78591053
Presenter starts with simple search for the truth.
Ends up painfully and obviously steering the conversation from what should be journalism, to propaganda.
>>78583427
Crowder is a regular Arfcommer for fuck's sake. He knows more about guns than most other people.
>>78586087
Crowder is not an alt right mouthpiece. Also lel I like Cernovich, it's just that he thinks way too highly of himself, he thinks he has way more influence than he actually has, thinking he single handedly stopped Ben Sasse from running for president, for example. Still I love how he goes after liberals without giving a fuck.
>>78590774
That gave me pause too, but I presume he meant in the context of the US Constitution.
>6:40
I keep forgetting the UK doesn't have right to freedom of speech
>>78591082
I tried googling if sky news had security. To many useless hits though
>>78591149
no, just enough I reckon. I just could not connect those two.
I know where its coming from but to say its a fundamental human right like food and shelter etc. is a bit over the top.
more a fundamental American right i'd say.
>>78591503
>white people, as a group, are the only ones who are majority in favor of conservative values
There you go retard. You fixed it.
>>78591613
He said human right because that's what europeans equate to 'big deal' rights. Since they have no concept of why constitutional are such a big deal.
>>78590774
People before the writing of Constitution had guns already. The 2nd amendment was made to make sure the right to own cannot be infringed.
>>78583250
Will he ever debate the MIZZZZ SOUTHERN(!) guy?
>>78583250
Fuck sake he didn't even leave his machole and still tore the guy a new one.
>i don't have security
Whatever you say old man
>>78591613
>That gave me pause too, but I presume he meant in the context of the US Constitution
No
The Constitution recognizes and protects our natural rights that exist detached from government.
The second amendment doesn't say "the government grants the people a right to keep and bear arms which shall not be infringed" it says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Watch vid In.
>>78591292
>>78590774
>humans have different physical combat abilities
>not everyone can defend themselves
>guns are invented
>now anyone that can use a gun is on equal footing with others
My fundamental human rights are better guaranteed than yours are, simply because I can use a firearm to defend myself.
>>78591701
>food and shelter are human right
What?
The only human right you have is the right to try and work toward your own interests.
It's not a human right if someone can take it from you by force. Even when threatened with violence or death, no one can take your intention to work in your own interests away.
You're given the privilege of food and land, and shelter and medicine. You're not born with some existential allotment of any of that. You're just lucky your parents shit you out in a place that offers these things instead of Bangladesh of southern india.
>>78591701
>more a fundamental American right i'd say.
No it is a fundamental natural human right.
> right like food and shelter etc.
>A European confusing negative and positive rights
Color me not surprised at all.
Humans have the natural right to pursue such things but don't have a right to be provided them.
>>78591936
Do you know if they have security or not?
>>78590750
Yes. Assault Rifle is legally defined as a rifle with a select switch for automatic fire.
>>78587348
I like how he elucidated just how retarded this no-fly-list gun ban idea is.
>>78591503
>white people, as a group, are the only ones who are majority in favor of conservative values.
[citation not needed because this is obviously bullshit]
The world is filled with Arabs, Latinos, and Asians who are extremely conservative.
>>78591701
>fundamental human right like food and shelter
Rights != needs
right to own! != right to have access
Also guns aren't free.
You have right to own all of them at least here in US.
>>78591495
when is the last time you overthrown your government?
when was the last time you forced them into re-elections?
when was the ;last time your vote actually mattered in any way and how did you force this?
with your guns and all.
over here we don't need guns to do that. last time was when it became apparent the Iraq war was illegal, most countries participating with the US where forced to go into re-elections.
no guns needed.
but that's beside the point anyway. food is a human right. shelter is. guns are not, they just are desperately needed in the US. big difference.
>>78583250
Holy shit that guy is alpha as fuck
>>78591742
fuck off autist. if you're a nonwhite, one day you'll have to go back. i don't give a fuck about your nigger thomas sowell, he doesn't justify the rest of your parasitic existences on our civilization
>>78592243
You'd sooner train a cat as a rescue dog than teach an average European the difference between negative and positive rights anon.
Trying to think of a fundamental right in the UK.
We know its not freedom of speech.
>>78592312
For fucks sake obviously a news studio obviously has at least a few security guards or some advanced lock systems or something otherwise people could just burst onto the set during the broadcast
>>78586133
some say he is a jew, but I can't verify this
Wait, he said hand guns are the same as an semi-automatic weapon. I don't understand this how are they the same? Also, AR-15 has the semi-automatic AND fully automatic mode, right? What kind of an argument is this? Is he fucking serious?
>>78591535
that's so cheap. learn2debate faggot.
if she was American and had a handgun in her purse it would not matter one bit.
>>78592585
But people's feelings are more important.
>>78592390
>[citation not needed because this is obviously bullshit]
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
please end yourself
>>78592312
BBC had guards for a shitty event in the middle of nowhere so I'd think they have security personnel outside the studio at least.
>>78592615
The civy AR-15s are semi auto only famalam.
>>78589437
...because he probably thinks the only thing keeping us white is muh values... which is true...
>>78583250
Are all burgers that autistic? and on top of that you are saying he is based just wtf America....
>>78583250
kek the newscaster was so butthurt, "hope you have your safety cache" KEK
>>78586133
Because he's an annoying know-it-all douche.
You could tell that back in school he was that kid who would try to lecture you if you made a small mistake about something or try to correct the teacher and try to teach the class.
His arguments are fine, but he tries too hard to be funny and thinks way too highly of himself.
>>78592602
I think the key part is "in the studio" meaning on the stage.
The building or lot security is a different thing.
>>78592307
>A European confusing negative and positive rights
In fairness that idea is basically dead to modern Americans. It survives, but unfortunately most people think like the State is God.
>>78591858
we all have constitutions kek. we just don't jerk off on them all the time.
in fact if I'm correct your constitution was based on the Dutch constitution.
we do believe they are a big deal and they are watched and guarded with care, guns just aren't part of that.
>>78590831
>muh pure chink waifu
kys
Sounded like an autistic lunatic.
6:40
>I'm trying to think of a fundamental human right that would exist in the UK. We know it's not free speech or the second amendment. It's a fundamental human right to own a firearm.
>>78592990
Hey Ahmed
>>78592419
>food is a human right. shelter is. guns are not
In the US they are.
>>78593074
>It's a fundamental human right to own a firearm iin the US
>>78591862
yeah yeah, I get all that. its an American fundamental right.
>>78592615
No, AR15s do not have a fully automatic FCG.
There are only a handful of transferable NFA machineguns in the US, the average AR style rifle sold in stores is not one of them. They are semi automatic only.
The subversive language used by the media to try and scare weak minded faggots such as yourself is what Crowder was arguing against. The SIGSAUER MCX used in the Orlando terrorist attack is not fully automatic. It is not an "assault rifle" either as that is a media fabricated term. A rifle is a rifle, there is nothing more to it. Using weasel words to scare people is dishonest and outright atrocious.
If Omar used a suicide vest to kill everyone in the club would any of you noguns left wing faggots care? Would you be protesting for a ban on suicide vests?
>>78592419
>when was the last time you overthrew the government?
Last time it was necessary, and we ensured the people had a means of doing it again should the time come.
Let me break this down for you in a really really really simple way.
The idea of having a gun in every home isn't to suddenly organize and overtake the capitol by force. Understand that or I'm just going to stop responding to your ultrawhitening ass.
It's to discourage your john smith from going to people's homes just because he has a badge to disarm the population.
It's going to make the guys on the ground think twice before holding a warrant up to a window to haul people off in the party van.
If the government wants to enact policies against the will of the people, they have to keep in mind how they're going to enforce those policies. The cops and agents are people among the citizens as well. They're not protected by their own 10 man team of security and they could be the next ones to pop up on the political dissident list.
The gun is an equalizer that enables everyone, big-small, old-young, male-female, to defend themselves even if the odds are stacked against them.
Because that first guy through the door might get a bullet to the neck from grandma. And then the next guy coming in next door will get the same.
Eventually people will simply not enforce the policy because they're not going to go into every house under genuine threat of being shot to death by a 78 year old woman that got lucky.
>>78583250
This is so dumb. I'm pro gun but this guy is a fool. The reporter obviously doesn't care what they're called and just means a weapon that can kill tons of people at once. Instead of engaging ideas he harps on the distinction between automatic and semi-automatic like it's at all relevant to what the guy was asking. This id not the face I want to be representing gun rights.
I thought this was fantastic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PpE15yh58
>>78592522
Lefties are parasites.
https://youtu.be/FHPI1emZFVg?t=14m29s
You're a lefty. You're also probably about as white as Argentina.
>>78593276
>assault rifle
Those are real man. You mean assault weapons are the fake shit.
>>78592910
But the second amendment is part of tje constitution. If you allow that right to be changed then where's the line and what's the use of a constitution all together if they can change it's core values.
>>78592419
>last time was when it became apparent the Iraq war was illegal, most countries participating with the US where forced to go into re-elections.
Wow, what a great policy. I'll bet we'd all win more wars if we stopped fighting them whenever it caused slight inconvenience enough for a political party to benefit from.
>>78592920
>implying waifu
kys baka desu senpai
>>78583250
>dat fucking free speech jab towards the end
>>78592639
>that's so cheap. learn2debate faggot
No it isn't nigger
By denying people the means to effective self defense you're removing the ability for the most vulnerable to actually defend themselves.
Answer the question yid.
Also pic related
> if she was American and had a handgun in her purse it would not matter one bit.
Oh really?
One example of litteraly hundreds of thousands.
http://www.wcyb.com/news/86-year-old-woman-grabs-gun-in-self-defense/18404728
Second link also related
Cdc shows that firearms are by a very wide margin the safest means of self defense.
http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Armed-Resistance-to-Crime.pdf
>>78593160
they WANT guns real bad so they made it a human right.
just like the last world championship, what where they chanting? 'we believe we can win'
something like that. everyone outside the US was cracking up on that.
this is not about needs, its about wanting something really bad.
and its about how one tiny lobby can keep an entire country in its grip. the greatest nation on earth no less. handcuffed and cucked.
>>78593335
>The reporter obviously doesn't care what they're called
The reporter's job is to report facts. If he can't do that, then he shouldn't have his job
>>78590401
>>78590831
you lost
>>78592419
>when is the last time you overthrown your government?
Battle of Athens.
Bundy ranch in 2014
Both examples of firearms being used to thwart the actions of out of control government successfully
"By U.S. Army definition, a selective-fire rifle chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power. If applied to any semi-automatic firearm regardless of its cosmetic similarity to a true assault rifle, the term is incorrect."
>>78593580
Yeah that was kekworthy. And the interviewer had no answer. Except to tell him he hopes he has his safety on and not let him respond.
>>78593809
No, it was passed by congress in 1789 before there was "gun culture."
>>78594127
>>78588121
He was engaging his YouTube audience and Skyfag was engaging the brit/international electric jew crowd. There are very few people who watch Crowder's YouTube channel who also watch SkyNews and vice versa.
So why didn't Skyfag change his style to be less ignorant sounding and more confident since he knew Crowder would post the interview on his YouTube channel?
>>78593809
>they WANT guns real bad so they made it a human right
No
The right to keep and bear arms is a natural right thah every single person has derived from their humanity.
It exist regardless of whether one's government decides to legally protect said right or not
Watch
>>78591292
>>78593446
lefties use minorities through cultural marxism
>>78583250
he needs to calm down when he is on a tv interview no matter the facts if you act like that it just feels "wrong" to the normie. Still glad he could get a lot of points in that especially the isis islam stuff and his fatwa.
>>78594251
>>78593816
They're literally just using different terminology. Just because the reporter made one benign mistake doesn't warrant spending the entire interview harping on it. Literally nothing of value was discusses because this clown apparently has no language comprehension skills. He make the rest of us look bad.
>>78593809
>and its about how one tiny lobby can keep an entire country in its grip
>Le ebul nra meme
They spend around 700k on lobbying and most lf that is simply paying lawyers to fight in Supreme Court cases.
The NRA and other gun rights groups hold their power in their millions of members and non members who follow tbeir organisational structures to work together to fight to defend the legal protections on our natural Rights.
>>78583250
This guy is a pathetic loser. Even the average /pol/lack is cooler than him, which is really sad.
>>78593294
Jesus Christ man, what a delusional country you live in.
and you will say the same of me no doubt.
I don't think there is any point in continuing this. and I am even trying as well.
anyways, you are human, I am human. I don't see Unicef campaigning for more guns.
that was my point, stop making it a global issue, its an American one, hence my initial comment on 'human rights'
>>78594387
>dat grip
He doesn't even have an assault weapon!
>>78594309
You might want to look up the difference between an ideology and a methodology if you'd like to make better statements.
>>78594316
He talks faster than a British television anchor, but he never raised his voice or called him a stupid faggot or anything. He sounded pretty calm to me, it's probably just another Euro/American cultural difference thing.
>>78594127
>>78594387
>stereotypes are perfectly fine as long as it's about whites
>>78594473
No misspeaking and being corrected is using the wrong term.
Continuing to push this wrong term after being corrected is lying.
The media deliberately uses "assult rifle" to manipulate ignorant people into thinking they're talking about actual fully automatic weapons which is well thought out propaganda not innocent incorrect terminology.
>>78593508
I was not commenting on their constitution. if they want it like this, fine by me.
I just object to the notion that guns are a fundamental human right.
>>78594869
>>78594930
>I just object to the notion that guns are a fundamental human right.
Which is just a demonstration of a lack of philosophical reading.
Again
See>>78591292
>>78594473
It does warrant a confrontation because it's a mistake that every anti-gunner makes intentionally and we all get sick of hearing their lies and misrepresentations. Automatic guns are already effectively banned for anyone except the massively rich, but claims that anyone can go to a store and buy "an automatic assault rifle that sprays bullets" is always brought up as a reason to ban assault rifles, whatever those are.
fuck off Crowder
if you want /pol/ to like you, you have to be at least slightly fascist leaning.
>>78593510
Iraq had nothing to do with el Qaida. saddam was the only one in the region to keep them out of their borders.
not saying saddam was a good guy. but there was no reason to invade and international laws, forced and designed also by the US, where ignored because fuck yeah we mad.
I know you guys like wars and are too patriotic to criticise your countries actions but those laws where put there for a reason and the most important one, don't fucking invade other countries for no reason, was completely ignored.
that why we protested and rioted in Europe and our governments had to step down.
if you think that's a bad thing.....I'm lost for words.
>>78594911
>"assault rifle"
The correct name in this case would be:
Homosexual Infidel Killing machine
>>78594930
I just object to the notion that guns are a fundamental human right.
In other words, you are commenting on and objecting to our constitution
>>78592615
>Wait, he said hand guns are the same as an semi-automatic weapon
The majority of handguns these days are semi-automatic.
>I don't understand this how are they the same?
All owls are birds. That doesn't mean that owls are the only birds.
>Also, AR-15 has the semi-automatic AND fully automatic mode, right?
Wrong.
>What kind of an argument is this?
A good one.
>Is he fucking serious?
Yeah. He's right too. You do a good job at having uninformed opinions.
>>78583250
He didn't really need to go on educating the host about the different types of firearms.
He should have just said that the AR-15 is neither the most effective nor the most obtainable semi automatic rifle in an intermediate caliber, it is merely the most popular. It's like saying a disproportionate amount of criminals drive Honda Civics. It's probably true. But it would be pointless to ban Honda Civics. Crime would not be effected one iota.
>>78583250
Yeah i'm not a fan of him but he just fucking schooled the anchor, and the anchor was fuming.
>>78595434
I didn't say the war was a good idea, I said your methods are shit.
>that why we protested and rioted in Europe and our governments had to step down.
White fucking dindus. It's good to know it's not a race thing it's literally a retarded culture thing.
>>78595447
Not
A
Sig
Muslim
Cockstronaut
Xecutor
>>78592990
cuck'd
>>78583250
He went a bit Alex Jones mode there! I LIKE IT!
>>78583250
I hate Crowder, but he did a good job arguing the 2nd Amendment, which is the most important human right in the history of the world.
>>78595462
in other words, you fail to understand terminology and how it's used properly.
not gonna explain again as it's quite simple.
>>78592615
I'm absolutely convinced that you're either 1) not white or 2) not an American citizen.
You're pathetic!
>>78595462
>In other words, you are commenting on and objecting to our constitution
No he is just refusing to acknowledge a hundreds of years old western philosophical concept (and arguably truth) that man has the natural right to keep and bear arms amongst other things.
The Constitution only protects and recognizes this human right which is blatantly clear on the verbiage of the second amendment.
In the second half of the sentence the single most important word is "THE" followed by "right of the people ".
Which is a literary recognition of something that already exist.
This concept of the individual human being the ultimate sovereign needs to be rehammered into the heads of all the weak sheep that are killing the west.
>>78591612
Hes not nearly as up his own ass as he makes out. He's said it himself on numerous occasions that he just amplifies what the SJW's and Cuckervatives accuse him of being i.e. a narcissist, bigot, sexist, racist etc. It's just to get little bites online, so he can shit post and get his e-cred up. If you really want to know what hes like, listen to his podcast.
>>78588121
Crowder was using typical leftist Alinskyite tactics to command the debate and make his opponent look like a fool who didn't know what he was talking about. The American people love that shit, that's why the left has been as successful as it has.
>>78596263
>in other words, you fail to understand terminology and how it's used properly
The only one not understanding terminology is you as you're the only one confusing two very different concepts(negative/ natural rightsand positive rights/ government ordained privileges) as the same thing.
>>78595740
so you believe when you find out your government (that was voted for, in our case by the people, in your case by erm, I dunno, not the people) is braking its own or international laws you should just accept it and go 'fuck yeah'
nice going man. you guys are going places.
>being dindus for not allowing our governments to go apeshit....
>>78592419
>when was the last time
Because we've had them, we haven't had to. They've been serving their purpose all along.
If you pay attention to history, the times that humanity has suffered the most at the hands of their own government is when the citizens had little or no physical power compared to the government.
for anyone whos arguing he is acting like a douche, did you not realize how much he got pissed off by this professional emotionless tv liar whos using cheap tactics like using half truths, assumptions, buzzwords, misintepreting words and body language to get the answers he wants to get.
When crowder mentions isis and islam the guy starts looking downwards and basically brushes it off with one sentence.
>>78596415
I'm simply refusing the concept of guns as a right.
there's plenty of countries whom do pretty well without this concept.
fuck, in my country alone we are closing prisons and having protests by prison guards because the crime rate is so low.
all that without having the need to carry a gun because I may need to defend myself.
the CONCEPT is the same by the way, the right to defend. we just don't use guns.
>>78595124
>a dyke and a whale
p good representation of moms against <thing> imo
>>78587576
It's not even a good burn. I think Crowder uses a revolver, right? So no safety. It's something only someone deathly afraid of guns would say.
>>78596415
I don't know, based off his earlier posts I think he is saying that a constitution is just a rulebook, like in a soccer game. He doesn't realize that for a lot of Americans the Bill of Rights is something worth fighting and killing over. We may not give a shit about little clauses here and there, but a right clearly spelled out to not be infringed is something to make a stand on. He interpreted it as being something that Americans "jerk off" about and not a fundamental human right.
>>78596624
nope, never claimed those where the same things.
>>78596423
Id much see this guy doing these kind of things
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DLB0l6uPrFI
>>78589437
this is why everyone hates america
>>78597074
before the writing press was invented, yes.
after, not so much.
>>78597367
>We have the right to defend ourselves, just not effectively
>>78597367
*because they are getting fired*
>>78597534
Jesus Christ, I hate the Yankee Marshall.
>>78594911
>>78595275
Sure it's a misrepresentation but at the end of the day, >>>a gun that can kill a ton of people all at once<<<, regardless of whether you call it an automatic assault rifle or a semi-automatic weapon is still >>>a gun that can kill a ton of people all at once<<<. You're insisting that what you call it actually matters to the average voter or politician is a waste of time. The average person has absolutely no idea what the difference between an automatic and semi-automatic is and you yelling that they're using the wrong term does nothing but turn them off from pro gun people. All they know is that it's >>>a gun that can kill a ton of people all at once<<<. The real world is waiting anytime you'd like to join.
>>78597683
its just like their right to free speech...free to speak as long as you don't use words
>>78597367
>I'm simply refusing the concept of guns as a right
Yes i get that you broken record but that doesn't refute 300-400 year old philosophical concepts which have still yet to have been addressed.
> all that without having the need to carry a gun because I may need to defend myself.
>the CONCEPT is the same by the way, the right to defend. we just don't use guns.
And you deliberately ignored
>>78593705
>Oh really?
>One example of litteraly hundreds of thousands.
>http://www.wcyb.com/news/86-year-old-woman-grabs-gun-in-self-defense/18404728
>Second link also related
>Cdc shows that firearms are by a very wide margin the safest means of self defense.
>http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Armed-Resistance-to-Crime.pdf
Like the intellectually shallow minded cunt you are
By banning any means to self defense you're shitting on Man's inherent right to self defense especiallywhen you ban the tools most effective or even the only actual means for the weakest and most vulnerable of society. By banning guns you're in very real terms saying only strong young fit males can defend themselves.
Also considering any practical self defense is effectively illegal in all of Europe due to the insane concept of "proportional force" the human right to self defense isnt even protected In general.
>>78594127
I AM SILLY
>>78598481
YOU ARE SILLY
>>78597456
yeah kinda.
for us the American obsession with the constriction etc. is extremely weird.
its like you wake up in the morning, have breakfast with your family whilst debating which right you are going to deal with today and see of the government is allowing this or not.
don't get me wrong, over here we are equally obsessed with out rights and freedom but we have institutions to watch that. human rights groups. a 2nd parliament who's only task is to see if new laws and such are constitutional. and a shitload of other watchdogs.
so essentially we don't even care because its all good anyways. and if not we will know in a split second.
the right to defend was not at issue here. only the right for guns.
I know its in your constitution and since you can have anything in a constitution you want, fine. but its still doesn't make it a human right because those are global and not just American.
>>78598037
>You're insisting that what you call it actually matters to the average voter or politician is a waste of time.
Yes it does matter because the vast majority of people don't care about semiautomatic sporting rifles
They're being deliberately manipulated into thinking they're machine guns to induce fear driven responses.
I know this from personal experience talking to dozens of personal friends who think the firearms I own are machine guns and I have very few antigun friends
> >a gun that can kill a ton of people all at once<<
And this brings up a wider issue.
This fuckbag would have killed way more people if he used chains and Molotov cocktails
The focus on the implement is another propaganda ploy.
The reality is that mass murders exist everywhere at the same random statistical nonexistent rate regardless of firearms.
>>78597683
>>78598124
pls no bully
>>78598693
>>78598037
>You're insisting that what you call it actually matters to the average voter or politician is a waste of time. The average person has absolutely no idea what the difference between an automatic and semi-automatic is and you yelling that they're using the wrong term does nothing but turn them off from pro gun people.
And I think that is the fundamental difference between Americans and people who live in countries where many guns are banned. A lot of Americans do know the difference and the ones that don't get schooled often by those that do know. I have rarely heard the automatic/semi-auto mistake made irl, and the few times I have I never said anything because someone always corrected the idiot before I could.
>>78591686
In denmark, you will never, ever; get in front of a camera if the anchor doesn't want you there. They are sitting behind multiple locked bulletproof-barriers while broadcasting, everything is on lock down while the camera is on.
source: i have installed some of TV2's security.
I don't believe any media that says they don't have the same procedures.
>>78598695
>have institutions to watch that
We have plenty here to but leftist faggots with no concept of natural rights attack those who protect natural rights they don't like.
Including yourself in this thread.
The very idea of separation of powers originated in America's Constitution as well
>>78596791
> you should just accept it and go 'fuck yeah'
No, I vote in the next election like a civilized fucking person. I don't chimpout when something doesn't go my way.
>>78598695
>>78599029
And to address this
> the right to defend was not at issue here. only the right for guns.
The right to arms is the smae natural right as the right to defense.
Man uses tools and a gun is the most effective tool for defense that exist currently removing legal protections on this right is a direct assault on the wider right to defense.
>
>>78598927
The Left has literally tried all of those things.
>>78597194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVhW8l5rKi4&list=PL0DF21E46A557E644
>>78598197
yeah I never should have reacted to that old-lady example. that's a gun-debate debate and I know that is futile.
I never said ban your guns. where did I say that.
get mad, call me a shallow minded cunt. I don't care. I am just a broken record that does not think his human right involves guns.
the right to protect by the way in Europe is within the laws of each sovereign country, not a EU thing.
in the Netherlands for example I can bash your brains in with a bat if you come into my house uninvited.
oh and by the way, if you do come into my house uninvited, I will already know you don't have a gun on you, so I don't need one either. but that's besides the point.
>>78598816
>This fuckbag would have killed way more people if he used chains and Molotov cocktails
There you go, this is exactly the right point to be arguing. If in the interview he brought shit like this up he just may have convinced a few people how retarded anti-gun people are. But instead he focused on (in my opinion, but obviously not yours) a really tangential and pointless thing. I don't think arguing this distinction is convincing anyone and we should move on to other more important points such as:
>The reality is that mass murders exist everywhere at the same random statistical nonexistent rate regardless of firearms.
>>78598695
>for us the American obsession with the constriction etc. is extremely weird.
>its like you wake up in the morning, have breakfast with your family whilst debating which right you are going to deal with today and see of the government is allowing this or not.
Fair enough. To me, the European attitude of "whatever" regarding their rights and boundaries on power is weird. And the fact that you fantasize that we wake up every morning obsessing about it simply because we are not as equally disinterested in tyranny as you is especially weird and smacks of Fahrenheit 451 style brainwashing. Completely different values and culture I guess.
>>78583250
what a condescending cunt. he made his point about it being an automatic weapon and wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
jesse ventura would have handled that way better.
>>78586179
>He's good at combating people with facts and terrible at being "funny."
SO MUCH THIS
CROWDER IF YOU READ THIS LEAN A BIT OFF THE COMEDY GO WITH ARGUMENTS
>>78599919
>The reality is that mass murders exist everywhere at the same random statistical nonexistent rate regardless of firearms.
Anybody have source for this? I've heard it repeated, yet I haven't seen any statistics to back it up.
>>78583250
>that shirt
What a faggot lumberjack wannabe
>>78599818
>yeah I never should have reacted to that old-lady example. that's a gun-debate debate and I know that is futile.
No you know it's futile because it utterly deconstructs everything you're saying
You're openly admitting to being willfully ignorant.
> oh and by the way, if you do come into my house uninvited, I will already know you don't have a gun on you, so I don't need one either. but that's besides the point.
And you're just backing up my original point.
How the fuck do you expect an old woman to physically fight of a young .ale attacker.
How the fuck do you expect a young woman that is 100lbs soaking wet to fight of a rapist with her bare hands.
How the fuck do expect a handicapped man to physically fight off anyone.
You're openly saying that only physically strong young men should be able to defend themselves and everyone else can get fucked.
And what happens if 5-7 guys break into your home with bats knives or even unarmed?
Guns aren't just a defense against other people with guns you sheltered pansy.
They allow the innocent to use overwhelming force against any attacker who could otherwise easily overpower them with even rudimentary weapons like bats or even fist.
>>78599095
yeah I know it isn't working very good in the US, I wonder why. I truly do.
if our leftists -or whomever- attack our constitutional rights they will have to go the democratic way in changing them.
if that doesn't work, have fun shouting in the desert.
the idea of separation of powers originated in Greece, then again in France by the way. stop claiming things like you do with human right kek
>>78585752
>>78586179
>>78600474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM
>>78593166
It is.
>>78599098
braking international laws is hardly something that doesn't go my way is it?
lets say the US invades Canada suddenly without a good reason.
you just gonna sit there and watch, be mad, but wait for the next election to get rid of your Nazi government?
bloody hell man.
or is it maybe that you agree in the case of Iraq, and would disagree in the case of Canada?
so you like the laws and such and think they are there for a good reason, unless it is inconvenient? is that it?
>>78583250
Why do Britcucks hate due process?
>>78600479
This is just mass "shootings" but when you expand it to all mass murderers it is no different.
France is also significantly higer now
>>78599919
Which is why I'd rather see people like
>>78597534
Because he is actually good at this kind of things
But the media goes for people they see as low hanging fruit to push their propaganda and while Crowder is good in a vacuum on this topic his debate skills aren't that good because he has a difficult time in avoiding traps and making good points.
He's good at avoiding traps but doesn't make food points in conjunction.
>>78597876
I don't like him on many things but when it comes to gun rights most of the time he is a good voice.
With the added benefit of pulling the flaming liberal card to shit up retarded SJWs
>>78601134
>lets say the US invades Canada suddenly without a good reason.
If it was an illegal action by the President he'll be impeached. If congress voted to authorize it there doesn't need to be a "good reason."
>you just gonna sit there and watch, be mad, but wait for the next election to get rid of your Nazi government?
No, I will have volunteered for the invasion of holland.
>>78593166
u jelly snownigger?
>>78601134
>you just gonna sit there and watch, be mad, but wait for the next election to get rid of your Nazi government?
If we had a National Socialist government I would die for it, not get rid of it. And Canada would have to fuck up pretty bad to get invaded. We put up with Mexico's bullshit all the time and we've only invaded them twice. We should have put them to bed the first time.
>>78600656
>yeah I know it isn't working very good in the US, I wonder why.
America still has significantly more protections on natural rigjts than Europeans.
You can be arrested and tried for "hate speech" ffs.
> if our leftists -or whomever- attack our constitutional rights they will have to go the democratic way in changing them.
Is precisely how you have had your natural rights infringed upon so much ore easily than Americans have.
Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny and juat because you agree with tbe tyranny (in our discussion being the reprehensible act of removing the legal protections on the human rights to keep and bear arms) doesn't make it not tyranny
>
>The idea of separation of powers originated in Greece
As it exist today was developed in America.
> stop claiming things like you do with human right kek
>Said the giy admitting to being willfully ignorant
>>78599996
values are the same more or less I reckon, culturally I'd say we would understand Japan's culture much better then the American culture (in this respect)
and japan is a fucking alien culture.
its not a 'whatever' attitude, we just go about it in different ways.
I think one of the reasons is the reason you guys created America, because fed up with the constant wars in Europe.
those constant wars also moulded our collective European minds.
we like to address the same issues in a different way. and its working (as well)
and sometimes not. but overall it is.
so for us guns a non-essential and thus not a human right.
yet defending ourselves is.
I know its hard to understand from your perspective. just as I am having hard time understanding yours.
but its not a human right just like the NFL is not a world championship
XD
>>78600645
It's got to be pretty scary for him when he realizes his betters could literally care less about his personal safety or simply don't trust him
>>78589077
>pulp fiction
DROPPED
>>78602261
It's viewed as an extension to the right to defend yourself if you wish to understand the American mindset more, which I hope is a human right in any country that purports to be for them.
>>78602261
>so for us guns a non-essential and thus not a human right.
That again isn't what Human rights are.
> yet defending ourselves is.
No it isn't
Self defense is all but illegal in practical terms for reasons I already explained to you and you openly admitted to wanting to remain ignorant of
It is illegal to carry any item for self defense in your nation including benign things like pepper spray and a "good reason" is needed to be presented or the state can and will charge you with a crime for carrying such things.
>>78583250
I personally liked it, but Crowder might've approached this a bit too aggressively for the average normie (specially Brit) to swallow.
7/10
>>78602261
Firearms are the best tool for self defense.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/25/study-using-guns-for-defense-leads-to-fewer-injuries
>Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).
>>78602393
(Couldn't care less)
>>78602568
>It's viewed as an extension to the right to defend yourself if you wish to understand the American mindset more
Not only that but it also exist in the natural right to own property.
He can't even grasp the very basic concept of the idea of natural rights let alone nuanced extensions on them.
He is 100% firmly in the authoritarian camp that all rights are derived solely from the government not the individual
He is on the exact polar opposite philosophical plane.
Which shouldn't be because European nations on the whole have been suppressing Lockean thought for centuries.
>>78603038
>>78602568
Forgot link
This man would be arrested in Europe for his opinions and philosophical ideas for various"hate speech"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GXVG2oaJ1c0
>>78601293
Because they hate people being able to defend themselves. They still have PTSD from 1776.
>>78600645
oh this is so typically American I almost am getting peefed about it.
always the 'what if' argument. relentlessly ongoing what-if's
ok so what you are saying is that over here old ladies are getting attacked left and right because no guns, and over there old ladies never get attacked because guns.
5-7 guys could break into my house indeed. then I'm fucked.
but the truth is, I never even once worried about that in my life. nor does anyone I know worry about that.
sure it might happen on occasion, bad guys are bad guys. but our bad guys don't have guns and that means the whole atmosphere and the way bad guys and good guys interact is totally different then in the US.
and yes crime does exist over here. and yes our prisons are getting very empty.
so its an approach things, a cultural thing. not a human right thing.
>>78583250
>crowder
tell that cruzlim TRUCONSERVATIVE (TM) cuck to go back to fagistan.
>>78602610
>>78602261
It's also ironic you claims guns for Europeans are non essential because of constant warfare when said constant warfare was done due to uncontrollable government thanks o it's citizens not having guns to stop it.
>>78602261
>values are the same more or less I reckon, culturally I'd say we would understand Japan's culture much better then the American culture
Thanks at least for admitting we have a culture, most euros smugly suggest that America is international and thus culture-less.
>I think one of the reasons is the reason you guys created America, because fed up with the constant wars in Europe.
I don't think this is right. Colonials didn't have much experience with war. They were mainly pissed that a government 3,000 miles away were dictating to them how much wood they were allowed to cut for winter and how many cows they were allowed to raise - and they had to pay special colonial taxes they were not allowed to even vote on. In addition they were not allowed to manufacture anything that could be imported from England and all their tropical imports had to come from British colonies even though Spanish and French colonies could provide better material at a fraction of the cost.
>>78601539
>If congress voted to authorize it there doesn't need to be a "good reason."
well that's fucking nice to know.
I know the US is hardly a trustworthy partner in the world but I didn't know it was this bad.
>>78583250
posting the GOAT smackdown on guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM
>>78601293
Didn't stop him from getting shot.
>>78603844
>I know the US is hardly a trustworthy partner in the world
Says the thoothpaste whose policies lurch with the wind.
>>78602094
>America still has significantly more protections on natural rigjts than Europeans.
yeah I hear this all the time from americans, care to elaborate?
>You can be arrested and tried for "hate speech" ffs.
that differs per country. in Holland its the combination of hate speech that results in violence.
>Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny
again, please elaborate how we are tyrannised.
>>78603508
I second this.
This guy is an embarrassment.
>>78603472
>oh this is so typically American I almost am getting peefed about it
No because you're having what amounts to a dogmatic religious beliefs directly contradicted by reality
> ongoing what-if's
>ok so what you are saying is that over here old ladies are getting attacked left and right because no guns, and over there old ladies never get attacked because guns.
These aren't what ifs this kind of things happens hundreds of thousands of times a year in America.
> 5-7 guys could break into my house indeed. then I'm fucked.
>but the truth is, I never even once worried about that in my life. nor does anyone I know worry about that.
Ive never worried about a house fire either but I keep a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
Guns are no different of a concept.
> sure it might happen on occasion, bad guys are bad guys. but our bad guys don't have guns and that means the whole atmosphere and the way bad guys and good guys interact is totally different then in the US.
Which js why America has drastically less home invasions than European nations
In America we have a government bureaucracy (which is unconstitutional btw) know as OSHA
Their job is to ensure safe working conditions in people's workplaces.
If being a criminal was ujder their jurisdiction one of their top goals would be the disarmament of law abiding people because nothing makes a criminals working environment safer than removing all possibilities of them being shot by their otherwise physical incapable of defending themselves prey.
> and yes crime does exist over here. and yes our prisons are getting very empty.
so its an approach things, a cultural thing
Which has nothing to do with your government's denying legal protections on your natural rights.
You're conceding that it doesn't matter if guns are there or not yet still defending tyranny placed upon yourself like a cuckold with Stockholm syndrome.
>>78603472
The thing to keep in mind that not all places in America are urban or suburban. There are extremely rural areas where it will take at least half an hour to an hour for any police to show up if you run into an issue.
And it doesn't even have to do with people trespassing on your property, it can be a bear coming up to your porch.
>>78603550
I never heard a European past or present debate the fact that if we had guns.....
never.
it looks ironic indeed, and I don't claim to have the answer for that but I'm pretty sure there are good reason for that irony otherwise the gun-debate would have been very much alive here
>>78604256
>yeah I hear this all the time from americans, care to elaborate?
I just explained it to you.
Your nation has hate speech laws a blatant violation to the natural right o freedom.of expression.
You have no protections on any form of legally owned armed for defense which js a natural right.
Your government's can much much much more easily confiscate private property another natural right than in America.
The right to privacy is just as violated if not more in European nations.
The only reason European nations are sometimes listed as "more free" is the deliberate obscufation of natural rights and government privileges.
> in Holland its the combination of hate speech that results in violence.
Now.youre openly lying
Article 137c: He who publicly, orally, in writing or graphically, intentionally expresses himself insultingly regarding a group of people because of their race, their religion or their life philosophy, their heterosexual or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental disability, shall be punished by imprisonment of no more than a year or a monetary penalty of the third category.[57]
Article 137d: He who publicly, orally, in writing or graphically, incites hatred against, discrimination of or violent action against person or belongings of people because of their race, their religion or their life philosophy, their gender, their heterosexual or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental disability, shall be punished by imprisonment of no more than a year or a monetary penalty of the third category.[58
>>78583250
based
>>78603555
>Thanks at least for admitting we have a culture, most euros smugly suggest that America is international and thus culture-less.
those people are either shitposting or have a childish need to feel superior over others. ignore.
I was more talking about the collective end-result in modern times.
but I don't see what colonies have to do with this notion of collective fed-upness with war. the colonies where a result of those wars.
and might I add, they are still suffering from that in quite a few ways so collective awareness is a big deal historically speaking.
>>78604753
>I never heard a European past or present debate the fact that if we had guns
Because Europeans have rejected the notion of natural rights in favor of "rights derived from government"
From an absolutely fundamental standpoint the idea of the people still being serfs if alive and well in Europe.
That was mostly excellent! I think he could have hit the due process angle harder, actually. The UK does have that.
>>78603038
pls no bully
