Now that the desintegration of the EU is a real possibility, I wonder what could become of this country. We're already the poorest country in Western Europe as it is. Our economy is worth next to nothing, socialism is rampant (and the majority of the population is supportive of it) and our former currency is obsolete. Every good thing that was built in the past 30 years has been paid for with EU money: hospitals, schools, highways and other urban developments. University scholarships, R&D, social programs - all financed by the EU in almost their entirety. I feel that if left in our own we will be the Venezuela of Europe in a few decades. Am I overreacting? What do you think, fellow countrymen?
>>78550281
The treacherous anglo did it again! Damn you all to hell!
>>78550281
You will pay for everything. Past and present.
>>78550281
You need what all Iberians always needed. But I'm confused, isn't the anglo you're greatestest ally?
>>78550281
Iberian Union + South American comerce treaties = Win
>>78551612
They've fucked us over several times in the past. Potentially destroying the Eu is just the icing at the top of the cake.
>>78551816
>+ South American comerce treaties
lol those people hate our guts.
>>78551612
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_British_Ultimatum
1890 ultimatum that led to the fall of the monarchy in 1910.
>>78552066
You don't speak for the whole country, far from it.
Based Anglos did something good today.
Fuck off back to Lisbon.
>>78550281
There needs to be an uprising from the people. We need to wake up and see that Europe just simply doesn't work.
It's incredible how Europe has changed people's mentality. A nation with over 800 years, of pioneers and great men and we're dependent on a couple of corrupt globalists in Brussels.
Unfortunately, to be an uprising, there needs to be blood. We can't do another 25 of April.
A man can dream. Hopefully, since history tends to repeat itself, we'll look soon to a better Portugal.
>>78552066
Checked. And also very surprised.
>>78551816
>>78552108
>Great Iberian Commonwealth
They don't hate us. Only the indians. But the point is not listening to the indians anymore. Indians only brings socialism and marxism.
>>78552336
You have a point, today they were based. They're still enemies of mankind though.
>>78552336
I'm not a moor, I live near pic related, 10 minutes away from Porto. And how is the fall of the EU a good thing for us?
>>78552542
Considering what we have done with ourselves in the past 100 years or so, EU interference is the lesser of two evils, the other being becoming a socialist shithole (even more than what we are now).
>>78552336
http://expresso.sapo.pt/economia/exame/2015-12-09-Ninguem-sabe-dos-fundos-europeus
100 billion in 30 years.
>>78552108
Every one loves money.
So we make an union or what. Olivenza will be the capital city and the entire population of Morrocco turn into soap so we can grow opium there.
>>78553702
>that fucking title
I laughed but deep down inside it's the most intense facepalm I've ever experienced.
Salazar you're forgiven.
>>78554553
Only if you don't elect Podemos this sunday. We already have enough troubles as it is.
>>78555177
>spain electing Podemos
is this a real possibility?
Haven't been following the shitsorm there
>>78555403
We don't even know anymore
DEPARTUGAL WHEN??!?
>>78555403
Nope. They are being deliverately overestimated to frighten the voters.
>>78552604
What would i give to live in a city like this, that doesnt look like its only good for making money.
>>78555403
No. But the cuckservative pro-european parties are worse. I think at least they give us time to meme our own iberian alt-right movement to prepare the ground for o Encoberto that will save us all.
>>78550281
Portugal since 868 not 1986.
Fuck off bastard!!
>>78550281
Sure our roads and recent infrastructures were payed by the EU. And that might sound good. But what also happened was the loss of our ability to survive alone.
We were payed to stop cultivating and fishing. We stopped investing in our subsistence. We should start thinking more about producing our own food or we'll be fucked once the world economy crashes.
Without British tourism you guys are fucked.
Haha peepee
>>78557629
1985 you idiot. You fuck off, I asked a legitimate question.
Whatever happens. THE ATLANTIC OCEAN AND ITS RICHES ARE OURS!! Fight for yer rum!!! Fight for ya gold!
A PIRATE'S LIFE FOR ME. WE WUZ KINGS!!!! KINGGGGSSS KANGGGGSSS!!!
>>78557784
Post-revolution socialism destroyed our economy, not the EU. If we had followed the same path as other member states with market economies perhaps we would now be in a position to leave and survive for ourselves. But, alas, I'm not austrian, or dutch, or swedish. Leaving would devatate us.Were it otherwise I probably woudn't mind the potential consequences of Brexit.
>>78557970
damn
>>78552542
Even the 25 of April was forced upon us. It was not about freeing the people. It was about introducing communism/socialism in our country by foreigner powers.
The problem with Portugal is that most of the population has no self esteem and the only thing that really moves them is soccer.
If we were invaded tomorrow by another country we wouldn't really fight back. The times when we used to have a spine are long gone.
>>78559105
>Post-revolution socialism destroyed our economy, not the EU.
Quoted for truth. Interestingly England, France and America fell for the "social democracy" trap in the 70s.
The first two fixed it as soon as they noticed the damage giving workers (actually, unions) full decision power in the destiny of the economy. Based Reagan and Thatcher did what it took to get back control of their economies and it shows.
Now France, France just got a big strike just in time to try to screw the Euro, just like the fags in our public transit companies last year did a strike every other week just to fuck with the people going to work in order to rile them up against the government.
Joke is on then, all it did was to rile people up for privatization.
>>78550281
Portuguese food is so damn good.
>>78558248
a data oficial é 1 Janeiro 1986.
e vai para o caralho mais o teu choradinho.
>>78559458
>and the only thing that really moves them is soccer.
Not even that anymore pal, at least not the national team. Ever since Scolari brought up up to the heavens and then failed to deliver people reverted back to be much more jaded about it.
Some of us like our clubs but most people, even if they declare to support, don't really live it (much like our Catholicism)
>>78550281
forgot the country.
Make use of your feet.
Plenty of people already were subcounsciously aware of that here. They still support the status quo, even though they vote a differently with their feet, curiously.
>>78559105
I agree socialism/communism fucks everything. Another argument for not needing to be in the EU (socialist in its essence) unless we want to lose what's left of our sovereignty. We already lost too much and are hanging by our balls with the multiple bailouts. We need to go back to the basics if we want to survive. We should start by being independent with our food supply. If we don't have that, we're done.
>>78560089
Go jerk off to pics of Salazar, stupid faggot.
>>78550281
Windfalls are terrible for a country. Not receiving crap from the EU will make people much more demanding of our government and our country less dependent on external help.
I'm only afraid that without the shadow of the EU, the far-left in Portugal gains too much power. The "fascista" meme needs to die.
The English people stands with its oldest ally. Get yourselves free of the European Union, my friends. Vote for a Portugexit.
>>78560522
what did we lose?
>>78552604
>You have a point, today they were based. They're still enemies of mankind though.
Without Britain there would no longer be a Portugal nor a Portuguese people owing to the incursions of the Spanish foe. Never be seduced by the Siren call of the Eternal Castilian, my friends. Re-establish your ties with your old ally.
>>78561105
Did you vote for the Lisbon Treaty aka European Constitution?
>>78559870
Really? They have some original recipes with cheap ingredients, but the food is nothing special. It's poor people food.
>>78550281
Will my house in the Algarve be ok? That's the only reason I give a shit about your country
>>78561451
No.
>>78550281
We can never be independent, considering how poor we are. Maybe if we choose well...who to make an alliance with.
>>78561376
This man speaks the truth.
>>78561273
Yeah, just like there is no longer Galicia, Aragon, Navarra, Catalonia, Andalucia, etc. etc. Fuck off, jew cock sucker, perfidous, heretic, ANGLO!
>>78560754
this will never ever happen sadly
Love you greatest ally, hope the EU collapsing doesn't fuck you over too much and we find a way to help you somehow.
>>78552682
If we export outside of EU, Euro will go down so it's easier to pay the debt. Doubt we can pay it and get out though.
>>78561376
It's good. Doesn't matter if it's cheap.
>>78561326
No. But does that answer my question?
Also the European Constitution was thrown out the window. Only the symbols remained.
>>78560754
well back us the fuck up, desu. we're dead poor
>>78550755
>>78550281
Sry, g2g lol
>>78561717
It is no coincidence that several of those countries have active independence movements which will shortly break free of your tyranny. Farewell Castilian Spain, from the defeat of the Spanish Armada to the wave of independence movements on the Peninsula which Brexit will give rise to.
I hope that Galicia rejoins the motherland in Portugal in the years to come.
>>78561938
Good luck recovering from the shock. Some groups will try to make an example out of you. Be strong, don't go down and set the example for the rest.
We're fucked. I t-t-thought you were our allies, England... M-m-muh oldest alliance.
>>78561938
Just remember. Islam is the one true enemy of us all.
>>78562578
>Muh Spanish Armada
Anglo propaganda always forget what happened just after
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
Also Galicia-León is Portugal's motherland, not the oposite.
>>78562185
>the European Constitution was thrown out the window
Of course it was. Of course. :^)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon
I assume you also ignore all the leftist agenda disguises as economic politics that comes from Brussels directly into Portugal.
We can all pretend we adopt it because we agree with it. But we're basically forced to do it otherwise no central bank will hand us free money.
>>78563130
You tried to impose your Evil Empire on England and you lost. Cease this Quixotic quest of yours to palliate the fact mi amigo.
>>78563248
I actually studied the Treaty of Lisbon. In fact I have it sitting right next to me.
Again, what did we lose? You aren't really answering my question desu.
>>78563248
>I assume you also ignore all the leftist agenda disguises as economic politics that comes from Brussels directly into Portugal.
We've had our own much more pernicious leftist agenda since 1974. It turned us into the poorest country in Western Europe.
>>78550281
So you are saying your women very soon will be willing and easy to get for people living in a country with a decent economy?
>>78563766
And in that period of time we've done more harm to ourselves than da joos could ever do.
>>78563455
We tried to persuade you from your heresy and save you, that's all.
>>78564070
You want our hairy women? Different strokes for different folks, I suppose :^)
>>78564110
>He thinks the Pope is the mouthpiece of God
>>78563590
I'm answering you. We lost our sovereignty through economic pressure. If the EU tells us to jump we ask how high?
If the EU tells our government we have to have more women as CEOs, we do it. (Even tho it's unconstitutional to discriminate based on sex)
If the EU tells us we have to take care of a % of refugees, we do it. (Even tho we don't even have money to pay our debt).
Just some examples. I can spell "loss of sovereignty" again if you want.
L O S S O F S O V E R E I G N T Y
Does it answer your question now?
>>78564216
Yes
My last two numbers are the odds of Departugal happening.
>>78564713
>>78564690
You ain't getting that one unless your name is Cristiano Ronaldo.
>>78564807
Fine I take this one.
>>78564476
Portugal willingly gave away those sovereign powers to the EU, they weren't stolen from us. The EU is not out to get us.
>>78552066
Speak for yourself. I support Brexit.
Also,
Hoppe Libertarian from Aveiro reporting in
>>78564713
not bad
>>78560754
>>78561938
Are we really in such good terms with UK nowadays? I feel like we're the laughing stock of the rest of Europe, barring Greece and maybe Spain. Why would the UK join forces with us?
>>78564901
>Nose piercing
You can have her.
>>78564935
I would support it too if we weren't poor as fuck.
>>78564901
German women are beautiful. Go make German babies. Kill mehmet.
>>78564999
MUH OLDEST ALLIANCE!!!!!! TOTALLY RELEVANT.
>>78564097
Communism/socialism is a jooish ideology with its own agenda of economic control. It's freaking Marxism! We didn't come up with it.
>>78564070
has always been like that. in fact, they go to your countries, all you have to do is wait for them.
>>78564999
its a fantasy we tell ourselves to stay out of depression. just like the d. sebastiao returning thing.
in reality, our youth migrated to the uk, and the uk just voted to say they want them out :^)
>>78550281
why can't Salazar come back and fix all your shit, for gods sake. One of
thelast great leaders in recent history
>>78560754
>Portugexit
>not PortuGTFO
>>78565085
We're poor as fuck because based Salazar wasted too much money on killing commies and hunting down niggers instead of providing us with a market economy and laissez-faire capitalism. I mean, I love the man for killing commies, but in the long term his stubbornness for the religious corporate state, on top of all the rampant communism after 1974, fucked us all.
Only way we can get out of this mess is by lowering taxes and having the free market create jobs (and not the government, like O Homem do Caril always talks about), but nope, sorry, we can't do it because we have massive debt and a providence State to support!
We have to somehow lower taxes and expenditure without pissing off the parasites and leeches, otherwise they'll protest.
>>78564917
Yes, our politicians gave it away so we could become a state in the united states of Europe. It wasn't the people doing it.
And by the way. Since you have studied the Lisbon Treaty. Is it or is it not a rerun of the European Constitution? :^)
We didn't even have a chance to vote on it. Those who had, had to vote again until they got the right answer (Ireland).
The EU is not democratic. I'm sorry.
>>78565578
He purposely kept people poor and uneducated so they would be easy to control. We don't need Salazar, although I would prefer to have him over a filthy communist any day of the week
>>78550281
We're not going to leave this shit. There is no one single MP in our parliaments against the EU.
>>78564690
That's far from being the typical portuguese woman. Good luck desu
>>78565578
Marcello Caetano was better.
>>78566066
To be fair, the typical woman is ugly as fuck, 2bh
>>78564999
Britain leaving is a perfect chance for our two countries to re-establish their old ties, lad. I hope that knowledge of our old friendship with Portugal will grow in the coming months and years as we cast our eyes abroad in search of new alliances.
>>78564901
Try again
>>78550281
Pinochet did us well. Try an open market supportive dictator, soon you'll be powerful too.
>>78565935
I'm not the same guy, but lo and behold I also studied EU law and I can confirm the Lisbon Treaty is just the European Constitution without the name and the sovereign symbols (i.e. official day, anthem, etc.). But it was never meant to create a EU super state, constitututional european law is just the name given to the treaties because they founded the EU.
>>78565267
Well shit how could I have missed out on that this long
>>78566066
Since when are your women hairy and ugly? You aren't Greece, what the hell happened?
>>78566279
Well I am not looking for 80 year olds.
anyone else a #Cristasmissile here?
>>78566418
That's what I keep saying. We need a libertarian dictatorship. It may sound contradicting, but once you have taken the ultimate redpill (the one that tells you freedom of speech, assembly and other basic human rights do not apply to people like socialists, communists and other collectivists because their ideias would contradict these rights) you will see. We need a brutal libertarian dictator who will free the markets, hang the commies and helicopter anyone who tries to stop it.
>>78566715
That girl looks 15 at most. Fucking german pedo.
>>78565881
I know, see my post >>78565578.
>>78550281
we'll manage.
>>78550281
We need our currency heavily devalued to be able to rebuild our economy. We're being propped up by a huge big lie and need to crash. I know it hurts but we can't keep going on like this, there's too much work to be done.
The Constitution needs changing, we must shed a lot of the socialist garbage and our state apparatus and spending needs to be slashed (and I mean truly slashed, not playing around like we've been doing) so we're able to drop taxes and deregulate the economy to attract at least some investment.
Of course we'll never do it until we're at the bottom of the abyss already, too many leftist assholes in Portugal (even most of the right wing is leftist) for it to ever happen before. We'd sooner become Venezuela than Chile, sadly.
>>78566737
Yes, I have high hopes for her. Paulo Portas was too smug and unlikable and he was always involved in some kind of corruption scandal. He was the reason CDS never got bigger, But the people like her and that's a good thing.
>>78564935
Fucking cancer lol. EDP would charge double for energy and GALP (the owner of the only national refinery) would increase fuel prices because they are FUCKING MONOPOLISTS!
And you believe that a libertarian regime would be better? lol
>>78566811
kek not on my watch rather die than having another dictator, you don't like it here move to russia faggot
>>78566870
Giver her a few years, she will be fine.
>>78550281
>I wonder what could become of this country
We annex you.
>>78566737
Both PSD and CDS are cuckservatives. It's embarrassing to be "decidedly" right-wing in this country. It's like they always tip toe and always try to say how they're the "left of the right" and other shit like that. The socially acceptable range goes from extreme left to soft right, I've observed.
>>78566517
Come on... They even want an EU army and kept it secret for a while. It's not a conspiracy anymore since they kinda talk about it openly.
I know it's hard to believe, but the plan is a superstate and we'll just be a province sooner or later if nothing changes dramatically.
If you haven't yet, I suggest you do some research on the Kalergi plan. It might explain some of the things happening right now in Europe.
>>78567416
you can't even annex your fucking favelas
>>78566811
Hang in there brother, stay strong.
>>78567416
lol you cant even rule yourselves.
>>78566891
I meant >>78565992
>>78567553
F E D E R A L
E U R O P E
also memes
>>78567330
>says the milquetoast faggot
Also, you clearly didn't understand my post. We need a dictator who will protect freedom from commies and socialists, and free the markets. Think Pinochet.
>>78567578
>>78567707
Our favelas alone could annex you tbqh
>>78566811
Too bad most people are brainwashed in socialism beyond repair and will never accept that. Hell... People would prefer communism even tho it killed more people around the world than any other ideology.
>>78555403
It's actually what's most likely to happen. Unidos Podemos (IU +PODEMOS) is now the second largest force well ahead of the PSOE, which will have to chose between them or the PP (they will chose UP).
With the new distribution of votes UP and PSOE will be very close to a majority in seats so it is likely that Pablo Iglesias will be the next president of Spain.
I hope the brexit doesn't completely fuck is and we survive it by erasing corruption and its drain of money,
>>78567553
Federalism was always an option supported by some since the beggining. Basically, you have two types of people that support the EU: the eurosceptics (not the same as anti-EU) and the federalists. And federalists have been loosing the battle in the last years.
>>78550755
>The treacherous anglo did it again! Damn you all to hell!
HEHHEHEHE U mad brah?
The Anglo World is being revived. The Anglosphere will once again rule this planet.
>>78567852
your monkeys come here and we actually teach them to behave, we teach them that they can steal all they want as long as they don't hurt people
>>78567416
Better yet, we give brazil back to the indians and sail to portugal for muh gold
>>78568079
>IU
Meu negro
>>78567935
You're right. And when everything comes tumbling down they'll just blame neoliberalism and "savage" capitalism.
Fuck these people.
>>78567553
>I know it's hard to believe
It's not hard to believe at all, there's been a Federalist current in Europe ever since its inception and every time they try to accelerate it the other current panics and pulls the breaks. Like what just happened yesterday.
>>78567520
You're correct. The "right wing" is pretty much center-left or christian democrat (which is at best a very mild center right but just because of social issues, not necessarily market issues.)
>>78568657
>>78568668
huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue
The reason we even had to change our own language.
>>78568657
>sail to raid poortugal
>no gold
>only pastéis de nata e bacalhau
>raid it anyway
>>78550281
How is it that you have received all this help from the EU and yet you are still poor? Could it be that the EU's priorities did not include strengthening you as a nation?
>>78568889
When the fuck are we getting rid of that bullshit orthography act anyways? I thought Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa had promised us he'd deal with that shit.
>>78567520
beggars can't be choosers m8
She's the least awful option
>>78569007
>Money went into public projects and some of it might have (((vanished)))
Desu our core problem is a socialistic Constitution (the intro to the Constitution even says the country ought to be socialist; the 1st Article says the basic unity of the country is its people -- not the individual) combined with laziness, "leave-it-for-tomorrow" attitude and a penchant for the State to "fix it". There is no individual initiative here, we are all controlled by these beasts and Curry Man is the main one.
>muh lolbertarianism
>not Fascism
You got your order, authority, and meritocracy. You get rid of your "bread and circus", you keep your private property, hell you get rich if you have the skills to do so for yourself.
>>78568350
You mean the asians? The west is going to desintagrate very soon. The analogy with Rome is astounding.
A small community of Romans with Greek influence develops incredibly
>The English, (also French, Portuguese and Spanish) create a huge empire after influence from french and german enlightenment philosophers.
Rome becomes authoritatian and thinking it is undestructible it self destroys in internal conflicts for power.
>British colonies gain independence
After corruption and internalwars, Rome divides and weakens
>World wars happen and Europe self-desroys, losing a long world hegemony
>The Eastern Roman Empire manages to survive the shitstorm but is starting to loose its glory
>The US still remains as a bastion of the English empire but is doomed due to internal corruption and increasing decadence.
The barbarians and arams continuous attacks and betrayales end up destroying Rome completely. A thousand years of Dark Ages start for Europe
>The Chinese and Indians rise to destroy every advance of humanity and create global ultraauthoritarian governments impossible to destruct due to technology
>Some meteor falls and finally relieves us all from this fucking shitfest.
>>78568889
Yeah I agree, that was bullshit. Nobody liked it.
>>78569007
>How is it that you have received all this help from the EU and yet you are still poor?
Literally retarded tax and spend socialist crazy state with an economy that wasn't doing that great to being with so couldn't shake off the terrible debt burden we put on ourselves. We literally CAN'T make the size of our social state less than it is due to the Constitution. Venezuela-tier soon.
>Could it be that the EU's priorities did not include strengthening you as a nation?
They never gave a shit until we JUST ourselves.
>>78569452
>he has never heard of Hans-Hermann "Physical Removal" Hoppe or Murray "Unleash the Police" Rothbard
>>78569007
Because it all went to building shiny new things and to the pockets of corrupt people. There was a piece on the news a few days ago telling how the state company encharged of renovating the public schools was not only almost 1 billion € in debt, but had spent EU money on 500€ a pop faucets for the toilets and several thousand € lighting fixtures (price also by unit), among other things, on all the buildings. Friends helping friends out at the expense of everyone else, that's how things work over here.
>>78568737
>It's not hard to believe at all
You'd be surprised if you asked that to the average José Maria. They would call you a conspiracy theorist.
>>78550281
VERY
EASY
COLONIAL
ARMEI
COLONIZE ANGOLA
DEPORT NIGS
GROßPORTUGALS
>>78569443
I'm not a fan of Paulo Portas but I agree with him when he said we should change that part of our constitution. It's not "democratic" to have it there imo.
>>78569007
>what is Euro 2004
>>78569940
Libertarians and Fascist measure success differently. One measures personal Capital, the other the livelihood of one's Culture. Look past what is earthly, and you will discover "the next step".
>>78564362
BTFO
>>78564110
This pope is a cuck, and i will not obey him.
>>78570118
Our Constitution is full of positive rights, which confer tons of duties upon others; it is literally slavery.
>>78570344
Evola was a hack
>>78570381
I don't obey bad Popes. That's different from being an heretic like the Anglo.
>>78570634
t. /lit/
>>78570501
Worse than the Constitution itself is the interpretation of its text by the Constitutional Court. We are trapped in socialism wether we like or not and only a completely new Constitution would change that.
>>78570749
>
>>78551612
Their anthem was a song against the britbongs but they changed it
Nothing will be more sweet than seeing Poortugal and asSpain being cut off from mama EU life support and choking spectacularly until light completely leaves their eyes.
We'll need a wall through the atlantic to stop the iberian jobless hordes from coming here.
>>78567398
>>78566870
She's fine already though...those few years would fuck her up
>tfw when you'll never fuck a cute 15-year old virgin
Do I want in or out of the EU for this to happen?
>>78569443
O preâmbulo não é vinculante e a constituição económica não efectiva. Suponho que sejas da NOVA ou que tenhas uma pobre média na Clássica.
so when are you guys going to get departugal underway?
>>78571078
Only reason I don't waste my life in politics is because we'd need to tear that shit to shreds if we were to have our hoppean libertarian society
>>78572530
>have our libertarian utopia that is laughed at by everyone with minimum knowledge of law and economics.
>muuuuuuh mises
>muuuuuuh rothbard
>muuuuuh hoppe
>>78571910
>Nothing will be more sweet than seeing Poortugal and asSpain being cut off from mama EU life support and choking spectacularly until light completely leaves their eyes.
Still better than being Colombian, though.
>>78569007
Corruption pretty much, we joined the EU under the premise for money. We were told to destroy some of our industries and agriculture to "balance" the EU economy.
We got the money alright, back on the early 90s money flowed into this country like a river but there was no inspections at all so lets say, 70% would go to buy a road, 30% would go to the pockets of the politicians and all involved people.
Then like some people already said, socialism and all the gypsies/niggers who sell counterfeit products but still get their wellfare check by the end of the month.
>>78572896
>muuhh State is everything
>muuhh Deus, Pátria e Senpaiília
>implying Economics is a hard science
>implying laws are static and cannot change
>>78555403
It's the only way. We must choose Podemos and force them to fix the economy and purge corruption all while stopping them from installing islamic gomunism. It's the only party who doesn't support EU. However they may simply break and we'd be double cucked.
I don't care at this point. We need chaos and regeneration.
>>78573189
Can relate.
>>78573209
>muuuuuh political regime destroyed by Karl Popper
>muuuuh free enterprise
>muuuuh freedumbs
>implying ancaps don't want natural law to reign again
>implying natural law isn't the most static school in law there's
>economics isn't a hard science but I'm going trust the less notorious economists because I'm edgy as fuark
>>78573189
Exactly what happened to Spain and Italy. I hope England succeeds and drags you out of this one. At least one of us will be uncucked.
>>78572496
I would dePartugal right away, but it's kinda hard when the pic that best describes the average Portuguese is this one. Just says okay to anything.
>>78574051
Spain has higher chances to get out of this the uncucked one. Just come and conquer us already, it's not like foreign people consider us more than a village of spain anyways.
>>78573189
Yeah you think that's tought? Now imagine the same x17 I don't even comprehend how we haven't entered in civil war yet. Somehow the (((system))) has convinced us that the two political parties are to blame and we need to vote for this a new one like (((podemos))) or (((ciudadanos))) and everythin'gs gonna be good!
But yeah, that's the fucking EU for you.
>>78574611
>Spain
>Just come and conquer us already
We won't fight back. I promise.
>>78573792
>>implying ancaps don't want natural law to reign again
>implying that's a bad thing
>>economics isn't a hard science but I'm going trust the less notorious economists because I'm edgy as fuark
>I'm just gonna listen to what the most popular guy right now is saying and don't even question it or diversify my intellectual knowledge!
>>78550281
Roll back to a Monarchy, start a self sufficient industry, teach Physics and Math in school instead of "humanities". Teach law in your kid schools so that you PTs become aware of your own bullshit.
Ban anal sex, ban porn, ban bad music, ban divorce, ban abortions, ban high buildings, make education as easy as turning the tv
Stop being happy with your bullshit country and life and make it better
>>78574903
Don't vote for Podemos. They campaigned in our presidential elections for Bloco de Esquerda. See how that's turned out for us. The extreme left is never the answer.
>>78575114
>ban high buildings
I think you may be on to something...
>>78574611
>>78574915
We both invade, purge corruption and cancel each other. Then start as a new country. Only problem is muh eternal rivalry.
>>78575063
>implying that's a bad thing
>complains about static law
>implies that natural law is good
burro
>>I'm just gonna listen to what the most popular guy right now is saying and don't even question it or diversify my intellectual knowledge!
>tem opiniões da cena que foram desmanteladas há 30 anos
>tu é que não te educas
parece que estou a conversar com um brasileiro que leu uns artigos e uns pdfs do instituto mises e já se pensa um herói
>>78575551
kys
>>78575114
>Ban anal sex
That's not popular here. Not sure where you got that idea.
>>78575551
No rivalry, spaniards are nuestros hermanos.
>>78575658
e não cheguei a explicar o porquê de seres burro. O Direito Natural é o Direito mais estático e objectivo que existe e nunca funcionaria numa sociedade complexa do séc. XIX quanto mais no séc. XXI. Se houver alguma mudança jurídica seria para um direito privado formulado por agências privadas como está a ser esquematizado para os centro de governação policêntrica
>>78575830
Brazil's greatest contribution to world culture has been Two Girls, One Cup. Anal sex must be like holding hands for them.
E para os restantes portugueses que se queixam da influência jurídica negativa no nossa economia: maior parte dos lítigios é resolvido em tribunais arbitrais, id est, sem a intervenção do estado e meia relevância do Direito Positivo.
>>78556128
PORXIT
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>>78571994
In but they won't be cute
>>78576021
Qué es más complejo en una sociedad del sigo XIX que, digamos, del siglo XIII, para que en una funcione el Derecho Natural y en otra no? Y por qué consideras que el Derecho Natural no es bueno o no tiene su función?
>>78576167
>mfw Portugal's greatest contribution was Brazil
>>78558731
I keked a little
>>78576167
> ano atual
> não chupa um cu
>>78576656
underrated post
>>78577079
I feel like Brazil could be god-tier if they got their shit together. May happen in our lifetime.
>>78576536
TOTAL KEK
>>78576167
A cultura lusófona seria como o Panteão se o Brasil não existisse.
>>78564999
because a independent England needs allies. you know. unions are shit. And your better off alone. So go and form a union with England.
>>78577325
Spain will have 0% unemployment before that happens.
>>78561700
Bacalhaua is like the least appetizing Portuguese food. Tastes like shit
>>78578044
Never say never. 30 unemployed suicide every day here,
>>78576871
A internacionalização do comércio como por exemplo. O Direito Natural está demasiado ligado à moral cristã para conseguir regular o comércio no âmbito de capitalismo. Isto pois deves saber que até ao final do renascimento a ganância era um grande pecado mortal e que um comerciante ser avarento ou não contribuir para a comunidade era considerado legítimo ser morto pela comunidade. Tanto mais que o Direito Civil tem uma herança do Direito Natural, mas o Direito Comercial não tem um pingo de influência do Direito Natural. O Direito Comercial Português, e suponho que o Direito Comercial Espanhol também, são estritamente de teor judaico. Isto é o contexto histório para o próximo parágrafo.
Outra problemática é o facto de o Direito Natural existir num contexto de divino legislador. Tu bem sabes que cada vez mais o mundo se torna ou ateu ou agnóstico. Como tal isso torna-se um grande obstáculo à objectivação de normas máximas que durem para sempre, uma vez que seria preciso que a comunidade onde opera o Direito Natural tivesse uma moral objectiva. Em razão da existência do individualismo crescente no ocidente é mais do que evidente que um Direito fundado numa moral objectiva é mais do que impossível.
O Direito Natural já não tem função porque estamos num mundo que se transforma muito rapidamente. Se até o Direito Positivo tem dificuldade em acompanhar o mundo económico como é que achas que o Direito Natural o faria?
>>78577325
If Bolsonaro gets elected in 2018 we have a chance
If he doesn't i'll probably just off myself tbqh
>>78575658
>>tem opiniões da cena que foram desmanteladas há 30 anos
Quem é que as desmantelou e quais os nomes das obras?
>>78578528
You want every alberto barbossa to be rich?
first of all you need to deport every single immigrant to have a core barbassa population after that you need to set strict racial laws as to what constitutes an alberto barbossa, then conquer venezuela and start deporting all the distant racials, rename venzuela novo estado alberto barbossa, win.
>>78578651
>Karl Popper
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61550.The_Logic_of_Scientific_Discovery
>>78578989
for this to work you would need to either go on an inquisition and catch every little yid in your country or just cancel everyone's citizenship who can't pass racial tests.
>>78578989
You must be a really insecure person to waste your time typing shit that even you know it's unfunny and bland
>>78579064
Pensava que me ias dar Keynes ou qualquer coisa económica, já sabia desta obra há muito tempo.
>>78576871
E outra coisa. Até agora foi impossível formalizar um "Direito Correcto". Um Direito Correcto só é possível ser for Deus a fazê-lo. Sem um Direito Divino como é que se explica a existência de um Direito Perfeito?
>>78550281
Establish a fascist or socialist dictatorstate and kick the Jews out
>>78579642
Que raio de pessoa és tu que sabes da obra e mesmo assim acreditas em utopias?
>>78579722
>kick the Jews out
Been there, done that. Check.
>Establish a fascist or socialist dictatorstate
The thing is, political climate being what it is in Portugal right now, it'd more likely turn out Venezuela rather than Chile. I'd rather not.
>>78579722
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Jews_and_Muslims_from_Portugal
Been there, done that.
>>78552306
Wow this is really cuntish...
>>78579858
Popper não "quebrou o puzzle" da teoria científica, apenas revolucionou a forma de pensar. Não quer dizer que esteja 100% certo.
Não tinha também pensado como é que Popper tem alguma coisa a ver com isto que estávamos a falar.
>>78580203
We need a new one, we're due for one for a long time.
>>78561273
Actually...they kinda beat our asses without much help from you (they are Iberians afterall)
On the other hand you kinda killed their Colonial Empire....contributing to fuck up their economy even further so...
>>78580365
Pensava que um leitor de Hoppe sabia da velha insurreição entre os anarco-capitalistas e a escola do cientismo.
Hello m8s, what do people in your country think of England/Britain? I've seen many mixed comments from Portuguese posters
>>78562578
LOL they have to git gud at war...and you can't literally do shit to help them
>>78550281
Im probably going to get Portuguese citzenship
What would be the most red-pilled party to vote in Portugal?
Dont want left-wings to fuck the country Im moving in as bad as they fucked the country that im in now
>>78580457
There are virtuall no jews in Portugal. But angolans and cape verdians... Now there's a thought.
>>78570381
>This pope is a cuck, and i will not obey him.
My sides
>>78580629
Nope. Só li o Democracy: The God That Failed.
E confesso que só adiro a este estilo de anarco-capitalismo porque permite justificar o meu nojo (secreto) por homossexuais e essa merda toda de hoje em dia.
>>78567316
>EDP
monopólio causado pelo governo, inexistente em um mercado livre
>GALP
Têm um monopólio em produção de derivados de petróleo, mas isso não impede empresas estrangeiras de entrarem no mercado Português.
sou anarco-capitalista nacionalista btw
Portugal, more like Portupoors
HAHAHAHA
>POO POO PEE PEE
>>78578528
Ok muchas gracias por la explicación.
>até ao final do renascimento a ganância era um grande pecado mortal
No conocía esta realidad. Sabía que obviamente, la usura era considerada un pecado grave, ¿pero la sola ganancia? ¿Cuán general crees que era esto realmente? Interesante.
Por otra parte, entiendo que simplemente constatas el estado de las cosas. Pero si estamos en un sistema capitalista, ateo / agnóstico, etc., es porque nos lo han impuesto así desde arriba.
Al menos aquí en España desde las revoluciones masónico-liberales del siglo XIX.
Curiosamente desde entonces, los momentos de mayor prosperidad económica y social han sido bajo regímenes dictatoriales (Franco y Salazar), que son de algún modo, más cercanos a un sistema donde rige la Ley Natural, que el liberalismo político, que es parlamentarista y antinatural.
No estoy seguro de tu posición al respecto. Por otra parte, no es necesario extrictamente de un divino legislador. Basta aceptar los fundamentos básicos de la Ley de Dios, la Libertad, etc., heredados de la cultura Cristiana. Algo como la constitución Americana. Y a partir de ahí que las Leyes positivas se hagan en tal forma que no haya contradicción con la Ley Natural.
No sé si me explico.
>>78579689
>E outra coisa. Até agora foi impossível formalizar um "Direito Correcto". Um Direito Correcto só é possível ser for Deus a fazê-lo. Sem um Direito Divino como é que se explica a existência de um Direito Perfeito?
A qué te refieres con Derecho Correcto, Divino y Perfecto?
>>78580656
More worried about the domino effect than britain to be honest. UK economy is good enough to be sustainable by itself and being out of the EU doesn't mean relationships will be cut.
>>78571910
Don't worry, you won't need a wall, being a failed state like yours doesn't tend to attract immigrants.
Hey it saves you money you don't have at least!
>>78552604
>They don't hate us. Only the indians. But the point is not listening to the indians anymore. Indians only brings socialism and marxism.
Maybe today due to Indigenismo and all the Socialist/Marxist and their anti-Spanish rhetoric, but the Indians were our most loyal allies during the independence war, the Virreinato del Perú was the most loyal colony while Venezuela/Colombia was the most treacherous. You are probably refering to hispanized "indians" and mestizos. Indians (amerindians) who still hold their native heritage still show today a lot of rights given to them by the Spanish crown when they have to deal with the Mexican government or anybody else messing with their territories and rights.
I totally support the Iberian union and an approachement to Latin America, our true cultural sphere.
>>78580131
>Train a group of people from birth
>Teach them morality, ethics, philosophy, foreign and own's history, economy and military arts.
>Select the best of them and turn them into your leader.
>Select the other top tier students and turn them into their advisors.
>Their children won't be kings. Some other person trained from birth will.
"Kings" rotate every 5-10 years. Council completely changes every 20-40 years.
on a scale of' 0 to 10 how retarded is this idea?
>>78580922
Percebo. Realmente a única coisa que adoro no liberalismo socio-económico é a liberdade de expressão. De qualquer das maneiras aconselho-te "A Lei" de Fredéric Bastiat. O livro tem cerca de 50 ( ou 100?) páginas e elabora sobre o Direito v. Economia.
>>78580718
Are you a ethnic portuguese? Vote PSD or CDS. CDS is as far right as you can go without it becoming a joke. Spit on the face of the stalinists of PCP and steer away from Bloco de Esquerda (sjw's).
>>78573550
http://www.eldiario.es/politica/Pablo-Iglesias-reitera-compromiso-UE_0_530197163.html
Try harder cuck
>>78574903
>I don't even comprehend how we haven't entered in civil war yet.
Soon the flames of reform will return and purge this septed country once again...
>>78581309
Já tinha esse na lista há algum tempo. Comecei por ler o Economia Numa Lição de Henry Hazlitt e depois passei para Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman, Hayek e agora Robert Nozick (Anarquia, Estado e Utopia — uma seca tremenda, mas lá leio um ou dois capítulos por dia)
>>78577079
Also shipbuilding and creating global trade...I'm not a fan of Marranos but credit where it is due...
>>78581313
Nasci no Brasil mas metade da mina familia e portuguesa, minha mae pegara cidadania pela familia dela e eu em seguida.
Provavelmente abriremos algum negocio em Portugal ja que minha mae e empresaria.
>>78581225
Yes they were loyal and we were good to them. We were a pictocracy (the whiter the higher your hierarcical responsability in society). We didn't have IQ test back then but we knew well by common sense what's a natural fucking order.
I support a Salazar-Franco type of regime in Portugal y España and Pinochet kind of regimenes in a Iberian kind of Commonwealth.
>>78550755
fpbp
>>78550281
Don't worry Portugal, i'm sure you will be fine.
If things don't improve and can always come here to Brazil.
We have a lot of favelas to put your hairy asses in.
>greatest ally
>>78581392
He does say that they want to change Europe into something more "fair" and that Brexit is being weaponised against them. That's not bad unless a "fairer" Europe means SJWizing it even more. I think if Podemos focuses on corruption, banks and corporations instead of gibs, immigration or petty social shit they could get reelected.
But then, they could fuck up even more.
>>78566279
>some old hag represents Portuguese girls
wew lad
there are circus freaks in every country
>>78581944
>I support a Salazar-Franco type of regime in Portugal y España and Pinochet kind of regimenes in a Iberian kind of Commonwealth.
If only...but you know how the "Iberian Commonwealth" will happen between Latin America and Spain right?
>>78582303
Well we can use marxism as a vehicle to fascism.
Spain is becoming more and more a socialist shithole, it's not like we don't have our problems too, well, we actually had socialist governments for more than 20 years and they always crashed our economy/employement and filled this country with immigrants, but the problem is that the common spaniard is becoming more and more socialistic even when they don't even know what that means, their discourse is just "muh working class rights, muh inequality, muh evil capitalism", that's it, they don't know more, they don't know that actual capitalism helps them to create any kind of private initiative and small business like a pub, a restaurant, a small company of plumbing or whatever which helps the economy and curb the unemployement, while more socialism creates more burden, more taxes more bureaucracy and makes impossible for anybody to do anything by themselves, while strangling the economy. This rhetoric that "capitalism" is something bad, terrible, imperialistic, has simply won in Spain, the marxists have won the political discourse.
>>78582080
>That's not bad unless a "fairer" Europe means SJWizing it even more
It does. Also opening the frontiers to North Africans. I mean dude, look at the Cities that are trying to take in more refugees and from which party do they come...
They HATE Spain. PPSOEC's dislikes our country, but Podemos fucking hate it because they have severe butthurt since 1939 with our Country.
>>78550281
If the EU thing fails you could be a Brazilian State, lets bring back the Monarchy of the Lusophone countries!!!
>>78579355
fine, be poor barbossas, your choice.
>>78582490
Except it never works like that. I mean yeah sure there will be a fascist state in Spain if Podemos gets elected...but not the kind you would expect or support I hope...
>>78564713
1 in 8 is better than I'd wager
good luck
>>78582507
Spain has been a socialist shithole since, at the very least, Suarez lost.
Our right wing isn't even close to the actual Right Wing in any other country in the world...it is in the LEFT of fucking Obama for crying out of loud...
Fuck what other people think of us, fuck the EU...
What we need is to get rid of all the gibsmedat commie marxist shits that think socialism in in ANY WAY helping this country, drag to the street and execute every thieving motherfucker (cough Socrates) and their buddies, and finally when we get back up stop and ban every connection we have with the ex colonies.
They didn't want to stay under our rule? Great, not one more person coin or aid will get to them, let them enjoy their independence.
>>78550281
My plan is simple and yet profitable. Put a fence around Portugal and dress the natives in rough looking animal hide costumes and presto!
You will have a caveman themed tourist attraction. the Portagee are naturals and will need no training or makeup to pull this off.
