>Second EU referendum will be considered for parliament debate as petition hits 100,000 sigs
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Already at 140k votes.
You cucks don't understand how a democracy works. This does not undermine the democracy. If, after seeing this catastrophe that is already happening, another referendum takes place and people vote remain it is totally democratic.
Well, I guess we'll have to start a petition if remain wins.
>>78544043
>Citizens have a completely public voting system
>Results are only not democratic when they contradict leftist's beliefs
Does anyone fall for this shit?
>>78544043
>Second EU referendum will be considered for parliament
no it wont, expect a message about democracy when the petition is locked.
>>78544285
I think it becomes much more funny when Scotland and Ulster will decide to stay in EU and divide from UK
>>78544043
wow, I hate brexit now, finally I am a #cruzmissle
>>78544043
>despite jew
signed
>17 million people vote fuck off
>140k cucks cry about it
I'm actually quite worried about this result.
Can someone reassure me we're leaving please?
>>78544391
That will never happen. kek, are you that fucking daft? Fuck off back to plebbit
>>78544440
You do know that only people living in Britain are supposed to be signing British parliament petitions, right? Stupid kraut is so desperate to cuck Europe that you're breaking British law.
>>78544043
I didn't realise democracy works by voting on the same issue as many times as it takes for it to turn the way you want it.
thank you for enlightening me, oh great burger scholar.
Mate it's over. Cameron is gone, Conservative Party 'Remainers' accept it's done. Literally nothing will come of this.
also
>130k signatures after a 72% turnout
lmao, this is nothing.
>>78544557
We're done. This petition is an absolute waste of time. It's an arbitrary moving of the goalposts because remainers didn't get the result they wanted.
>>78544043
I don't care already earned a lot on brexit stock market scan. Do it again. I will only get richer.
>>78544043
>Wanting to stay in the EU
>Not knowing how the EU works
I'm embarrassed for them
Kek
Would they have done this if remain had won?
>>78544043
won't even make it to a commons discussion
>>78544878
i thought that was pretty clear given how faggots do it all the time here
>>78544043
>GTFO of the EU because I want to
>Mh I don´t like it, can I get back please, my people want to now?
This is not how it works. If your economy fails now the EU will show you the cold shoulder or in order to join, you´ll become an even smaller lapdog than before. The conditions for re-entering will make sure of it.
Yet, I support Brexit. NWO BTFO.
>>78545062
I wonder if they actually enjoy getting assblasted every year.
When do you think we'll have the next gay rights referendum?
I'm gonna vote against.
Again.
For the lulz, I don't really give a shit.
>>78544043
let's do a best of five vote
>>78544043
YOU LOST. You voted, and YOU LOST. The process worked fine. Even IF Remain won, i'd say the same thing. The majority spoke out, and Leave won. Deal with it. You can't just call a whole national vote because you didn't get your fucking way. That's NOT how democracy works. Sign your online petition, go nuts till you die from a heart attack, but you still LOST.
>>78545222
>GTFO of the EU because I want to
>Mh I don´t like it, can I get back please, my people want to now?
I don't think anyone that has signed this position was a Leave supporter. It's upset Remainers
>>78544557
If we weren't leaving Cameron wouldn't have resigned.
We don't hold endless referendums until a manufactured result is achieved. This country is, thankfully, a functioning democracy. The people have spoken. The government has accepted our instructions and the EU have negotiations for our exit need to begin immediately. Their focus is on the way forward from here.
Ah yes, the internet petition that anyone in the world can sign multiple times will surely influence parliament.
I'm worried.
I won't be happy till we're out for sure
>>78544043
>voting is undemocratic if it doesn't serve globalists\leftists.
>>78545669
You can't leave till the end of Euro 2016. Your football fabs have no passports.
Doubles confirm the second EU referendum is on.
>>78544043
Here is how it will go:
>Forced to debate in parliament due to petition
>Say that referendum was just held and people voted
>End of debate
Unhappy remainers can still migrate to the EU superstate if they believe in it so much. The treaties will be in effect for at least 2 more years. Get your shit together and fuck off to Europe.
>loses
>waaaahh democracy doesn't work redo redo redo redo
>wins
>heh better luck next time oldies, fair is fair you lost
>>78544043
Why don't we simply SIGN this petition with troll names and ruin it?
Sign it as David Cameron, Merkel or whatever you can think about.
>>78544043
Fuck off faggot
until you get 17 million votes on your petition you can fuck off
>>78545943
pwned
You can do a national vote and ask to do it again because you lost lol
>>78544043
>announce second vote
>get killed by the riots on the way to your car
>Murican shill grapples with UK politics
It's fucking over bro
The EU accepts it
Cameron accepts it
Corby accepts it
Everyone accepts it
There will be no neverendum because it would be a farce
It's over
You lost
>>78544043
what the fuck is with the double standard? if remain won there wouldn't even be a petition.
>>78544043
Not how democracy works you can sign it with as many cucks you want.
The people have spoken and they've said FUCK OFF!
>>78545482
It's a democratic republic, and the referendum vote is NON BINDING. This is why republics work better than direct democracies, because the masses are uninformed and stupid. Parliament may, and possibly won't respect the referendum due to how damaging the consequences are.
Deal with it. Full direct democracies are stupid, and none actually exist. Quit using the word democracy as a meme when you don't understand how your own government works.
>>78544537
yeah, but these 17 million are racists therefore their votes shouldnt count.
>>78545943
Doubles confirms never
Triples confirms Merkel gets cancer of the cunt on top of never ever ever shall be slaves AGAIN
>>78544878
Unfortunately that is how democracy works.
>>78544043
yeah that won't happen you retard if that was all it took they could just keep doing petitions every time they lost. Stop buying the stupid shit the news tells you.
>>78544557
Already news stories are being run about Breit voters that regret their decisions. This may well keep us in.
>>78547123
if they can't provide proof on it they won't get anyone to care
>>78546493
I was shocked that Cameron is resigning.
Do you have another election or do the Conservatives pick his replacement?
>>78544557
They can't. Cameron has already stepped down, it would cost them millions, and most likely cause riots. And even if none of that was an issue, we could just pull the same shit and force a third referendum.
They're required to consider it. That means about 5 backbenchers who need a career boost will meet in a side-chamber and talk about it half-heartedly, just like they did with the petition to ban Donald Trump, just like they did with the petition to totally close the borders. We're leaving, lads. It might take 2 years or 2 weeks depending on the mood in Brussels, but it will happen.
>>78544440
>signed
>germ
this is delusional, you cannot even argue
>>78546709
> It's a democratic republic
> republic
> Quit using the word democracy as a meme when you don't understand how your own government works.
I think you need to take your own advice.
>>78544285
The thing is, you will try and fail because democracy will say no.
Democracy is a big pile of shit
>>78547457
Up to them. They can call an election at any time, it just never happens because they'd risk relinquishing power early. Pretty much they'd only do it if they were sure of victory and wanted to relegitimise their power. With their own party in turmoil, Labour returning to their socialist roots, and alternative right wing parties surging across Europe, they'd be mad to try.
>>78545022
No, because remain is the correct side and everyone would be rewarded for choosing it.
>>78544043
>(((petition)))
>>78548206
nah it works perfectly fine when more than 50% of your country is unhappy they get what they want.
Isn't that what they did with the Lisbon treaty in France or someplace else where they lost and just kept trying until it passed?
>>78548423
So 70/30 Boris Johnson is your new prime minister.
Did we fix the UK over night?
>>78544043
>let's keep having votes until I get my desired result
Crying children, all of them.
>>78548487
It works perfectly when you have a homogeneous country
>democracy is broken when we don't get the result that we want even though the majority says otherwise
Basically what I'm getting from all of this. Bunch of sore losers.
>>78546376
your picture is funny considering you have a problem with poles but no problem with pakis
>>78548591
Its over....The EU has no power over the UK anymore.
The only thing the EU can do is make major changes to stop the domino effect
for what purpose
this was a fair,democratic vote and one side lost
>>78544043
So, make a petition to cancel that one?
>>78544043
>We are going to keep voting until the result is remain
>>78548885
County of homos. Got it. What do you think the left has been trying to do?
>>78548933
Poles was a code word for Pakis. No one gives a shit about the polish migrants its the fucking muslims it was always the fucking muslims
>>78548885
works perfectly even when it isn't homogeneous the bigger group that has bigger numbers gets more power. Simple right?
>>78544043
Yes, of course, this is how democracy works:
For results globalists dislike:
> Well, let's crash your economy, and revote.
> Well, let's do it again.
> And again.
> Oh look, the people changed their vote :)
For results globalists like:
> This one vote means that our POLITICAL OPPONENTS ARE GONE FOREVER AND BELONG IN THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY CURRENT YEAR CURRENT YEAR
>>78549146
The EU has nothing to do with immigration to the UK from Pakistan.
>>78548487
No, democracy is shit because the masses are too stupid and ignorant to make educated decisions. They can be easily swayed by propaganda, the mass media, and the will of the few.
Most people don't care about what happens in the world, or how it affects them. The majority are more concerned with watching the next batch of celebrity news to bother with real world problems.
Plato himself already made this observation thousands of years ago when DEMOCRACY voted to have Socrates killed because the idiot masses didn't like what he was saying.
The ideal government would be technocratic communism under the rule of a philosopher king AI. It's pretty much what Plato wanted. AI is incorruptible, and would make the optimal and rational decisions while analyzing all the consequences.
I can't wait for Super Intelligent AI to be a thing so we can replace all the ruling classes with it, and you morons can go back to your celebrities and drama. Capitalists and Nationalists be damned. You're too dumb to govern yourselves.
>>78544043
It's going to be hard to put any value on that petition when the opposition already has 17.4 million signatures.
Nobody likes a sore loser.
No, it's already too late. The wheels have been set in motion. The world has reacted. The damage has been done. You cannot take it back. There's nothing to discuss. It was a fair referendum, you cannot cherry pick and go back because you don't like the results, otherwise you could argue that you could do that for every referendum if the result was "undesirable".
Imagine the following.
Nigger in chief starts a referendum to remove gun rights. It doesn't pass. Clearly. But wait. He repeats it again, and again, and again. Each time with increasing propaganda. Until it eventually passes. Does that sound democratic to you?
But wait. Then another referendum is created to reinstate gun laws. Woah. The logic is unbelievable.
It's done. Brexit happened. The only question now is if they'll leave through article 50 over the period of 2 - ??? years, or if they'll repeal the 1972 communities act to end their obligations to the EU, and potentially leave as soon as next month.
You're on the wrong side of history remainers. It's CURRENT YEAR for goodness sake. Democracy has spoken.
Democracy is shit, anyway.
>>78549104
nah, we aren't bitter bitches like them sore salty cunts
>>78544391
Yea, and they cuck themselves right out of NATO. None of the EU nations have a military to speak not even combined.
>>78549277
I'd bet only like 1% of the voters go into a booth and check random shit. Everyone will at least google what the fuck they are voting on before walking in there. Not a 100% educated vote but if they read enough to have a decision on what they want it is perfectly acceptable and never fails. If immigration fears were a problem well they clearly had the fear already and the Brexiters tapped it not Brexit's fault they had that fear already.
>>78549471
Hugely unlikely we'll just repeal the act like that. We'll take the negotiation period and set up a bilateral treaty. The corporate overlords have already given Juncker his instructions, he said this morning that negotiations need to get underway as soon as possible.
>>78546713
This shows the typical mind-set of leftists, no respect for democracy...
>>78544043
I love drinking these American lefty tears. Your house of cards is coming down around your ears. Hillary is a criminal and Trump will become president.
>>78544043
>another referendum takes place and people vote remain it is totally ((democratic))
>>78544043
>inb4 2 out of 3
What a load of shite!
>>78549277
>No, democracy is shit because the masses are too stupid and ignorant to make educated decisions. They can be easily swayed by propaganda, the mass media, and the will of the few.
Very well said actually.
The best political system is aristocracy.
>>78548424
>t. fucking leaf
>>78546493
I love that just weeks ago Cameron basically said there would be no neverendum if UKIP lost.
Heh, yeah, let's have as many referendums as we need to get our desired results. Fuck off. Sore losers. GG NO RE.
>>78549973
>The best political system is aristocracy
Yeah goy don't govern yourself, let a bunch of inbreds do it for you.
>>78544043
That's not how democracy works, you retard. When something gets put to a vote for the electorate, the people on the losing side can't just have a do-over again and again and again until they get the result they want. That spits in the face of democracy and Parliament knows it. If this was really a viable option, then Cameron wouldn't have resigned and the stock market wouldn't be going haywire. Out is out. Practically every EU leader has acknowledged the result. Face it, cuck; we won, you lost. Deal with it.
>>78544557
Don't forget to say goodbye to Scotland too.
>>78544043
>GOY we will undermine your will and forcibly install globalism, GOY
>>78549719
Yeah, no. Googling something is not making an informed decision. Especially when you're basically getting fed lies and misinformation from modern media.
Democracy works great in a world that is much simpler. But in our modern technocracitc world filled with conflicting opinions, and contrasting facts. Most people rely on their first instinct and can't be bothered to measure the consequences of their decisions, and vote emotionally. It's an information overload, and unless you keep up with global events on a regular basis, you're horribly unprepared to make a rational decision. You need to measure the remifications of your vote, but most people don't because in their minds, their political decisions are so far removed from their daily lives.
And that's IF they bother to fact check at all. a large part of the global populous is incredibly stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
Bear in mind that these people VOTE
And it's like that in America like it's everywhere else.
Bear in mind that there are people in the US who are VOTING for Hillary Clinton. Despite having criminal charges pressed against her by the FBI.
Same as in Spain where people are voting for the PP despite having caught various party members literally stealing public money to buy houses in Miami for their secret lovers and such.
People make their deciusions emotionally, and backwards rationalize them to fit their narrative. That is fact, and it's not a good mix for politics.
>>78549973
>Aristocracy
Like hell it is.
Man isn't fit to rule. Power corrupts, unless you're dealing with a very wise and honorable person, and even then, they'll do it for glory.
But those days are long gone.
In our modern world, only machine is fit to rule over man. I yearn for that day to come given how dumb modern people are.
In the meantime. Democracy needs some drastic changes. Voting should be by merit, not age.
>>78544043
more jew lies.
>>78551280
Do away with the minimum age, and replace it with a system where you must pass a basic education and culture exam in order to earn a license to vote. Age, gender, race, religion, etc... don't matter. Anyone can take the exam, but only those who are intelligent are fit to vote.
It doesn't even have to be political questions. Just simple basic knowledge stuff, like naming the countries in the EU. Some basic history, some basic science, some general culture, etc...
If you're 10 years old and really smart and informed, congrats, you can vote howeveryou wish. If you're 40 and are an uneducated hick too stupid to know about the world, sorry, you don't deserve to vote.
>>78544285
Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.
>>78544391
Fuck em
Hadrian's wall part 2
>>78553025
Make it out of irn bru bottles and use batter as cement.
>>78549696
Yes, because Russia? is just biting at the bit to invade Scotland.
>>78544043
Not going to happen, it's obviously just people being sore losers.
If you look at some of the past petitions that reached the hundred-thousands you'll see they technically don't even need to debate it. Several anti-immigration petitions got there and all but the first were denied debates because the issue had already been recently discussed. They would have to be mad to think they could get away with pretending this issue wasn't already thoroughly covered.
>>78544043
>I hate trump but have no arguments against him
>HEY! Let me photoshop him instead!
>>78551697
>are you liberal?
>yes
>how educated of you, of course you can vote!
>>78550942
If they held a referendum on Scottish independence in England, they might actually get a majority.
>>78544043
Counter petition, 180,000 signatures - no do overs.
Checkmate vegans.This is totally democratic.
>>78554095
Except I specifically said it doesn't have to be political questions.
Just simple questions that have an objectively correct answer.
Stuff like history, and maths, and science. You can even have a computer be the one to evaluate the answers, since again, it's simple questions that have clear answers, but still measure a person's general knowledge.
And since EVERYONE has to take it, if an exam has political bias ever, people would know immediately.
Well I say that they should have a referendum on whether or not they should have a referendum.
What fucking NOW?!
>>78554475
>is feminism good?
>correct answer is yes otherwise you're a muhsogynist
Just one of the many examples that the system would be abused. You really haven't thought this through have you..
>>78548819
Bozza is a half-kebab cuckservative. We've replaced Cameron with a funnier alternative, but it's a long way from being fixed.
>>78555040
Except that's a political question, and is entirely subjective. In my opinion, feminism is fucking terrible, and it has done tons of damning things. Obviously not everyone agrees.
Is reading comprehension not your forte? Read my post again. This time more carefully.
>>78546709
>Majority of people want something
>Because it is right-wing, we can't allow it
>This is democracy
I love how these petitions only get considered when communist leftist sign them
>>78544397
the immortal meme
Turns out the actual majority was much larger than the retarded liberal echo chamber of kids.
Cameron resigned. It's over.
>>78544043
>considered
>for debate
its literally nothing
>>78544043
They will discuss it and disregard it.
Over 2 million more people voted to leave than voted for remain.
You have no idea how our petition system works or what our governance is like.
>>78555276
I think Boris is a pretty cool guy. Word on the street is that he is going to offer Farage a seat in the House of Lords and a government position.
>>78544043
I'm telling you lads, this is how it'll go
>"In light of this vote, we first need to reflect on the choices people made and why they made those choices. I'm sure there are concerns but perhaps the decision was rash and many voters did not fully comprehend the ramifications. We must not forget the very substantial portion of our people who wished to remain in the European Union, and in light of new facts many Leave voters may not still be committed to their decision. Democracy does not mean being tied to single impulsive decisions that cannot be reviewed and changed, rather the process is dynamic and ever evolving and the actions of this government must meet those realities. To do anything else would be simply to impose a tyranny on a minority by a majority, and this is not what our country stands for"
>>78555299
That was the point, feminism is terrible but that won't stop people from abusing the system for political gain.
>>78544043
Mods need to ban shills
Also, thankfully, EU already said that they wont accept UK back
Keep crying muhammeds
>>78544715
Kraut mit Brot fur Fruhstuck!
>>78555761
eh doesn't afriad of anything?
>>78555785
Cameron resigned and an anti-eu prime minister will probably carry out the rest of his term. It's over.
>Sore losers sign a petition to revote until they have the result they want to
Looks like some people dont know how democracy works
>>78555939
This guy gets it.
>>78555360
It's not about being left or right wing. Quit making the world black and white, because it's definitely not like that at all.
Anyone who deals in extremes is a fucking idiot, LEFT or RIGHT.
Stick to the left and you get oversensitive liberal crybabies, stick to the right and you get uneducated nationalist morons. Doomed either way.
Both sides have positive points, but sticking loyally to one is absolutely stupid.
I'm pro stay, but I support Trump, but I'm also an atheist, and believe the world needs to be mindful of the ecosystem lest we all wanna choke on smog and die in less than a century. I agree that big corp should be weakened, and that globalization has hurt the world.
What the fuck does that me then?
It's not about left or right, it's about measuring the consequences of your decisions, and if one decision is too damaging for the world economy and the idiots who emotionally voted to doom their own people, YES, it should be carefully considered, and possibly rejected.
Weigh the consequences of your decisions. That's why republics exists. That's why you elect politicians to represent you, because the masses are too stupid to govern themselves.
that's ridiculous
the public voted and this is the result. No redos kiddos!
>>78546547
It's not really a doubble standard.
More a failsafe.
Even then it gest a discussion, it's not like they have to do anything about it.
>>78546713
This has become so absurd that I can't tell if it's just anons trolling or people are actually this fucking weak-minded.
JUST
>>78555788
But I literally said political question should be left out, because of course they can be abused. The question should be purely objective, and must be peer reviewed by various member of different ideologies.
It's literally just a standardized test. You don't see national high school exams filled to the brim with subjective political questions.
>What is the circumference of a circle
>uhh, I don't believe in that because I'm a creationist
Uhh, no. That's not how standardized tests work.
Watch the video I posted here>>78551280
and tell me if you want idiots who wanna invade France, but can't even point to where it is on a map voting to make global decisions.
>>78556375
you sound like a retard
>>78546709
>Full direct democracies are stupid, and none actually exist.
California is a direct democracy.
The people vote on everything.
We're also the fifth largest economy in the world.
It worked just fine up until the federal government stopped enforcing border controls and we got flooded with shitskins that wormed their way into positions of power and skewed the demographics of the entire state so badly.
>>78544043
>petition
Do you know how a petition works? You're asking the governing body to take A look at $item. There's no guarantee that it's actually going to take a look at it.
>>78556035
You mean like the EU did here when we voted against the Lisbon treaty and we had to be a 2nd referendum Hans?
>>78544043
>democracy doesn't matter
>we'll just keep voting until we get a favorable result
>all your votes are going in the trash
If they try this and you guys don't start burning down parliament buildings I will be disappointed,
>>78557004
Lmao
You think all the fucking cucks we have in this state dont love all these illegals?
Also our direct democracy sucks so I wouldn't brag about it.
>>78553836
Russia would take the entirety of Western Europe without the US and the UK protecting them.
>>78555299
>>78554475
Great idea. Unfortunately cant be implemented cuz
"You discriminate uneducated people and not all people are born inteligent and we should be tolerant blah blah blah "
>>78557004
No you fucking aren't.California is a one party dictatorship that masquerades as a representative democracy, pretending like anyone but a Democrat could ever get elected to the state legislature.
>>78544043
>Democracy is voting on the same thing multiple times until we get the results we want then declaring that vote final
You can keep that democracy.
>after seeing this catastrophe that is already happening
Knee-jerk reactions =/= long term trends. Anyone who says the UK is fucked forever because of the first 12 hours is a fear mongering shill or an idiot, and most likely both.
>>78544043
MUSLIMS AND TRAITORS ASS BLASTED TO THE FUCKING MOON
>>78544327
Would you accept a 52% majority referendum to ban funs?
Citizens have a right to call for redress if they feel the political system isn't providing fair representation, democracy shouldn't be mob rule, it's the same reason one group of citizens can't vote away the rights of other, small groups.
I seriously doubt they'll hold another referendum though, turnout was good and everyone accepted it was going to be close. We'll just end up with a very vocal pro-Europe segment in our politics in the same way the SNP surged after narrowly losing their referendum.
>>78556895
>hurr, the world is black and white and if you're a liberal then you're a cuck.
That's literally the /pol/ narrative. I miss the day when 4chan actually had well-founded unpopular opinions, and wasn't a full blown contrarian narrative.
Yes, we ALL hate SJWs and feminism, but not because leftism has gotten outta had does it meant that you have to blindly pull in the exact opposite direction.
>>78557004
I lived in California for 8 years. I agree that the west coast is the best coast. But people in California are miles more educated than the hicks in Florida and Alabama. I lived there for 5 years, trust me.
Direct democracies work when people more or less have similar ideas, and the population is small enough to be manageable.
However, California has also been hurt in the past by its own government and lobbies.
LA is still massively polluted and has awful traffic. SanFran got flooded with liberals twinks. You still run pesticide all over your crops. And Cali was the one to destroy the upstart of the Electric car due to corporate lobbies and the public not taking action.
>>78557588
>Would you accept a 52% majority referendum to ban funs?
Well no, but that's why we don't use direct democracy in the first place. The Founders feared mob rule more than any one tyrant.
>>78544557
This petition is only having any effect because of a law that means parliament has to consider any petition that reaches 100,000 signatures or something. It does not, however, mean that they actually need to act on the petition at all.
>>78547123
Just shilling is all.
>>78557328
The uneducated shouldn't vote.
If you're legally mentally handicapped and can prove it, and this has to be very strict, you don't have to take the exam. But you have to prove you're mentally retarded, and I mean have serious learning disabilities
And you know what, now that I think about it, fuck discrimination. Yeah, I will discriminate against the retarded, because they depend on the mentally able to look after then, so if they can't be fully autonomous, they shouldn't be making ppolitical decisions. Even if it IS discrimination, sorry. But fuck leftism.
>>78557639
miles more indoctrinated*
And the electorate doesn't have similar ideas, the state is just owned by the Dems despite many Republicans living away from the coast, you're just fucked if you're a Republican, that's all. You will never have representation in the state legislature. This is what happens when you let illegal fucking aliens vote.
>>78557639
Who said anything about being a liberals? You need to re-read my post. You're retarded.
>>78557588
We would not rely on another referendum to fix the situation as that is spitting in the face and showing your hand that the vote never meant anything to begin with.
there would simply be violence.
>>78551697
No the test should be on basic economics and government. As well as some general questions testing critical thinking skills.
>>78557989
How about we just require military service to vote? An intelligence test could just be so easily abused. The first thing one should consider when putting forth new ideas for government is the myriad ways in which they might be abused.
>>78544043
Referendums aren't Best of 3s
Repeating until we come up with the right result?
These leftists really do belong in Europe, that's a very European approach to democracy
>>78557588
False equivalency. The founding document of the UK does not demand that they stay in the EU. If we had a referendum voting away one of our constitutional rights, it wouldn't do anything because it would be unconstitutional. Just because you don't believe in the right to bear arms, or freedom of speech, or anything else, doesn't mean you can get away with not honoring it.
>>78546713
That pretty much sums up liberal democracy atm.
>>78557989
Im not implying you shoudn't discriminate, im just saying it wouldnt be possible to implement peacefully
>>78544043
>win the second referendum
>keep petitioning
>after 6th petition, UK remains in the euro
Im feeling a repeat of the irish referendum to leave the EU
>Keep voting until you do it right
>>78557989
And honestly why would you want to let the retarded vote?
>>78558201
Nah too many problems with military service as well. We could just make it so only those paying income tax for at least the last 2 years can vote.
>>78558239
Send those traitors to Gibraltar
>>78558239
>fearmongering won
Actually, from the media ive been watching, fearmongering lost.
Only bad news from leaving the EU, and only good news from leaving it.
>>78558319
>>78557588
This is what we call BTFO here at neo/pol/
really makes you think... doesn't it nigger?
>>78558239
>I don't want to be British anymore.
You weren't British to begin with you fucking sharia law loving liberal.
>>78544043
How is it democratic. The vote was clear. On both sides there are millions of people. Only needing 100k signatures to revote means it will go endlessly, each side constantly making the petition.
The vote should only be done once. If a next time is voted only way remain can win is have a kinimum of 60% needed for leave to win, which is unfair as it effectively makes each leave-voter vote worth less than a remain voter as you need more of them.
>>78558083
If /pol/ even gets a whiff of liberal ideology, you get called a SJW, and your opinions invalidated. I'm talking about the narrative of this board, not your post.
>>78558097
Fine by me, so long as it purely objective questions that can't be abused by having any narrative to them.
They have to be questions that have an objectively right or wrong answer.
Things such as, how the government is structured, what's stated in the Bill of Rights and Constitution, Supply and Demand, etc...
>>78558201
No, because warriors make terrible leaders. History has proven this time and again. Also, the military tends to be right wing biased almost always, and the military is an institution that can indoctrinate people. Soldiers will always favor more military spending as well.
>>78558435
Yeah, I getcha, but we can turn this narrative around. Look, I've always been more left leaning, more than right, but I'm so sick and tired of this all encompassing Leftist ideology, where we must include and tolerate everyone, I don't see why we can't oppose that, and do what's best for the people.
It's stupid to think that we MUST tolerate and "be fair" to everyone, even at the expense of better and more rational options.
>>78558558
>>78558646
>>78558668
This person is an absolute goldmine desu
I love Britain so much right now
>>78544043
If Turkey are refused the EU. If we are more autonomous.
If we dispense with the human rights act.
If we opt into trade with Russia and China and leave the dollar to burn.
I'll vote stay.
>>78544043
you know we could have a 3rd referendum and vote leave again. NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL DEMOCRACY
>>78544043
fine. mfw brexit wins by an even larger majority
Yeah because cucks from around the world now get to choose how we rule Britain.
This is exactly what us 52% voted against.
Fuck off whining children
>>78549277
Plato was a communist airhead who believed in equality of the sexes (kek.) Aristotle 100% BTFO him. Distributism is the god-tier political ethos.
>>78546831
I'd like to see that happen.
>>78544043
Oh yeah, like how they considered banning Donald Trump?
They only need to consider debating it, not enact it. We could probably pool everyone on this this site together and try petition they hang banners saying "FUCK OFF SHITSKINS" across Buckingham palace, it doesn't mean they're forced to do it.
>>78559337
>the father of all modern philosophy was an airhead
t. Some edgy teenager on 4chan
Yah, ok. You a good man ya.
>>78558668
> Liberal
Funny how these retards call themselves liberal minded, when leaving the EU is as liberal as it gets.
These people are delusional globalists who hate what they vote for, and don't even realise it
>>78558319
It's not a false equivalency at all, the similarity is in the effect it'd have on day-to-day life of regular citizens.
Marginal political decisions with major implications can and should be challenged, I wouldn't want to live in a country where 50.1% of my countrymen could vote for pretty much anything they like to happen to the other 49.9%.
Again, they won't get another referendum but claiming they shouldn't even have the right to ask for one to be discussed when their country is doing something they don't agree with is undemocratic and a call for mob rule.
>>78559381
We should definitely do the "FUCK OFF SHITSKINS" petition, but not until the Brexit is completed.
>>78544617
Sure, Anglais, sure..
Cool cool, now you just need about 18 million more of those, oh and they need to be British citizens I am afraid
I am sure you missed it or somethng but we just had a big vote about not letting other people tell us what to do with our country.
>It is disappointing that some people fail to realize how a democracy works
Brain dead lefties.
>>78559616
>We
You're American, fuck off.
Though I agree the refugees should be exiled from Europe.
>>78558955
>anyone who didn't come to the same conclusion I did, didn't do their research
Christ, the level of fucking narcissism. God damn I hate millennials.
lewronggeneration.reddit
>>78544043
>you cant just leave the eu farage
>let the people decide instead in a referendum
>boo, the people were wrong, let the people instead in a referendum
>>78558926
Majority of people - intelligent or not, will vote with their intrest in mind. And you can't quite measure how patriotic a voter is.
I think absolute monarchy is the way to go - the one important thing is the capabilities AND loyalty of the leader. I knows its a dangerous one but provided a correct person is choosen the best possible outcome for all people is achieved
Sorry for broken english third language
The jews have lost. This thread and the amount of shilling on /pol/ today has been insane and smacks of desperation. I smell rotting fish on shore.
>>78559507
More like the destroyer of modern philosophy.
>"hey. like. there are these magical forms that no one can see but they are great"
>"ignore reality mannn it's like there is a more realer reality outside the cave man"
>"people are too dumb to govern themselves. we should abolish private property and brainwash everyone."
There is a huge schism in philosophy that began between Plato and Aristotle.
>>78560165
fuck wrong pic
im a mong
>>78560036
#notallmillenials
I'm glad I fucked up this parasites future. Democracy has won (for now)
>>78559750
>everyone posting in a country is a citizen there
I know you have an unemployment rate of about 80%, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
>>78544043
>vote until you get the outcome you want and then stop voting
God you're a fucking moron
>>78544043
>democracy means do-overs until the ruling elite get their way
>>78544043
>If, after seeing this catastrophe that is already happening
1/2 day market reaction does not equal a catastrophe, come talk to me next week when the market settles.
>>78544043
Too many Jews in America.
>>78560036
He's right though.
Wales for example voted leave despite being the biggest benefactor from EU contributions, and it was all because of "muh freedomes"
It's not narcissism, just look at the facts.
The younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of its predecessors.
Also, if you were born after 1984, YOU ARE A MILLENIAL TOO. I hate my liberal bretheren as well, but don't be stupid.
>>78560167
Absolute monarchy, under a philosopher king AI, I fully agree, but it will be a hard sell. And Superintelligent AI isn't here yet.
In fact, only under a philosopher king AI can communism ACTUALLY work, especially since most of the labor is being done by robots and machines.
I suppose that if there's any benefit to the Brexit, is that it will be the prime example of the flaws of democracy. Democracy will have to fuck up hard again and again in order to be able to convince people to allow human to be ruled by an AI.
>>78560306
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Go back and reread Republic you literal imbecile.
If voting required you pass an exam, it looks to me like you wouldn't be voting my American amigo. Pity that's not the case.
>>78557588
>what is a republic and how is it different from a democracy
Move to Canada, cuck.
>>78560551
Oh, I fucking hate Spain, you're not wrong there. This county is run by absolute morons.
I'm leaving for Asia personally, especially after the Brexit.
>>78544043
CHYNA
>>78544440
Fuck off Merkuck.
>>78560165
>>78560371
This little faggot is the face of the alt right and the average /pol/ user
You all talk shite about meme magic because you can't actually fuckin vote
>>78546238
Cause you have to be a registered voter in the UK you mongoloid
>>78544391
They better have some damned solid guarantees that the EU will take them -- I'm not sure how many under-performing economies Germany will want to take on keeping afloat as the successful economies start to leave.
By the way, if Germany has a lick of sense, they will start a Germanoverboard as fast as possible. Dissolution of the EU is now a foregone conclusion, and the successful state that gets out last will wind up holding the bag.
>roughly 50-50 vote
>don't understand how a democracy works
:)
>>78544043
Try holding a sit-in on the floor of parliament, that's how we do things over here when we lose a big vote and feel pissy.
>>78562071
Most brexiters are now regretting their vote.
Don't worry guys, I'll tell Parliament where to stick that petition if they start considering it.
>>78557588
in case you didn't notice...
Democracy is mob rule. all the people get together and make a decision. the group with the majority, even if it is by one vote, wins.
this holds for just about anything they choose to vote on; be it civil rights, basic laws, the lives of individual humans, it's all up to the will of the majority.
You should consider republic instead. that is generally a representative democracy with laws in place to protect the smaller groups.
>>78562238
Jew detected.
Go die.
>>78544043
you know this is literally never going to happen? when they say it opens for a parliament debate it means people choose to turn up, and talk for 15 minutes.
a million extra people voted for leave, a petition with a 100 odd thousand signatures isnt going to do shit
>>78548067
Nah, we should just keep voting on the same measure until I get what I want. That's democracy :^)
>>78562238
Nice sources
>>78561190
>i-idiot
>i-imbecile
I'm familiar with the Republic. Maybe you should actually read it, you unbelievable butthurt tard.
Plato's scheme of government involves brainwashing everyone from youth into political training and then sorting them into castes based on how good at being brainwashed they are.
It's garbage and the foundation for every failed dystopian/totalitarian system of governance that has ever existed including totalitarian Islamic theocracies.
>>78549277
And you wonder why we wanted no part of joint government with prats like you?
EU never believed the people's will mattered, now the people decided the EU won't matter.
>>78561190
You seem mad Gibraltar-chan
>>78562381
Just die already you old hag.
If these parasites had a shred of decency they would resign.
>>78562549
Same with the Trump ban. Seriously, who though it would be sensible to an allied head of state?
>>78544043
Why? They made their decission, let them deal with it.
>>78544043
>https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Did not read the referendum? Or do you guys really have a system where you can go back and change the election rules after the election?.
That petition is to alter the rules for the vote so that it required a high threshold to pass (and amusingly called for a perpetual referendum until one side or the of the achieved 60% with a turnout over 75%, which is essentially never.
>The government will respond to this.
"This is stupid, we don't want to have the referendum every few months for all eternity. Signed, Your Government"
>Parliament will consider this for a debate.
"Guys, I think we can all agree that a perpetual referendum is a bad is a. Anybody want to speak in favour? NO? OK, moving on...."
>>78545482
Hi. Sounds like you need some splaining about democrisy
>>78557639
I've lived here all my life. You're out of your fucking mind. Our state legislature is as dumb as any other, if not moreso.
>>78562699
>The people's will
>51%
Seems like a split decision to me. Did you even take Expat votes into account? Sure doesn't seem like it sempai.
>>78562755
Madrid
>>78562676
Yeah, ok anon. You need to learn to contextualize shit.
Also, don't use stutter text to demean your opposition. It makes you look like an underage memer.
>Not understanding that the real problem is immigrants from the Middle East
>The muslim immigrants already in the UK are breeding like rabbits and having 5 - 10 kid families
>all the qt pole girls will leave and be replaced with hairy pakis
this is fucked up la!
>>78562660
That's what I said!
>>78544043
>lose decisively by 4%
>REDO REDO REDO
they really are sore losers
>>78563660
To be fair, it is hard not to be mad the day after losing an important election. Been there, it's part of the price you pay for self-government.
>>78563382
>I guess they dont teach them how a democracy works in Gibraltar
You poor thing, I'll put 20p in the jar next time I am down at the shops.
Bless
>>78563660
>4%
Wasn't it 52%?
Doesn't seem decisive to me. Decisive would be a 20% margin.
>>78544043
The numales can have their referendum when they reach 17m votes
>>78544043
>>78548067
>it's only democracy when I win
thanks remain pro
>>78563862
Looks like they don't teach how democracies work in the mainland either.
Pity.
Learn a little about politics before you memespout mate.
>>78557588
You cant ban a bill of rights amendment
>>78561190
>Brexit is bad because reasons (paraphrased)
Not my point, numbnuts. My point is that there are also plenty of good reason for leaving. Perhaps Leavers did in fact do their research, but they just had different priorities and ideas of what is good for the country than the people currently bitching do. That's how a democracy works (you can argue over whether that's a good thing, but i won't). People vote based on what they think is best, and most of the time there is no clear cut, obvious and objectively best option in politics.
The narcissism I spoke of lies in believing that your personal idea of what the UK needs (which is based largely on your personal desires) is the one true and objectively obvious best choice.
Personally, I'll take sovereignty over pretty much anything my country could lose from leaving the EU.
>Also, if you were born after 1984, YOU ARE A MILLENIAL TOO
I know, that's what
>lewronggeneration.reddit
was about, numbskull.
>>78563900
>52% to 48%
>52% - 48% = 4%
>>78563809
I wonder if the Democrats in the US will start a similar petition when Trump wins.
>>78545594
>The government has accepted our instructions and the EU have negotiations for our exit need to begin immediately.
Watch them, though -- it is important that they begin the process, it is meaningless though unless they complete it.
>>78544327
What if America voted 52% to ban free speech?
>>78561754
\Actually, since I am not a registered voter in the UK and just signed it, that turns out to be incorrect. You need a burner e-mail, though.
>>78544043
>a vote can't undermine democracy
... what did he mean by this?
>>78563900
Misread your question. 10% is a landslide, 20% is almost no contest wrap up the counting within 30 minutes. ~5% is decisive
>>78562238
'most'
lmao lefty shills in full force
>>78564367
We don't have referendum here, so the question is moot.
If Congress voted for a law to do that, and the President signed it, the courts would toss it.
>>78564367
Civil war, hopefully.
If the Remainers want to contest this vote, they can bloody well pick up their spoons and fight.
>The Scots are leaving us for the EU!
Fuck off.
40% of Scotland voted to LEAVE THE EU. They're not going to vote for independence and rejoining of that shit.
You would have to get ~85% of the remaining 60% to get a majority to leave the union.
Stop being cretins.
>>78564367
US is a Republic, UK is not. Sadly.
>but muh democracy
Welcome to what the Romans learned when copying the Greeks.
>>78557588
A simple majority can't amend the Constitution, and thus cannot revoke rights. It would take a 3/4 majority of states (38 out of 50) to ratify an ammendment to nullify the second.
Representative democracy > direct democracy
>>78544557
Londonistan is staying in the EU, scotland is stayiing in the EU, ireland is staying in the EU.
essentially 4-5 white people in rural areas are leaving the EU - no big deal
I remember when one of these petitions for the legalisation of cannabis reached 100,000 votes
that was debated* in the houses of parliament too
*thrown out immediately
>>78557989
This guy had the right idea about who should vote...
>Keep making votes until remain wins
>It's totally democratic and you're racist if you don't agree
Yeah no. We might as well blow our fucking brains out if this happens as it's basically proof of any free will being completely dead.
>>78544043
>You cucks don't understand how a democracy works.
Democracy - feed the unwashed fucking proletariat masses lies and fucking propaganda year on year from the fucking teat until they're old enough to vote for the option of financial suicide. Thanks, retards!
(I'm a British ex-pat working abroad, yes I'm fucking mad)
>>78544043
keep voting until the right vote happens.
democracy
>>78565423
I vaguely remember /pol/ pushing one through, they just get laughed out
>>78565459
>negating the will of the working class over that of the "educated" bourgeois
Do your countries proud.
>>78565833
Heinlein said you had to join the military or be a civil servant to vote.
>>78565969
Judge Judy?
