http://www.elcolombiano.com/colombia/paz-y-derechos-humanos/proceso-de-paz-gobierno-y-farc-logran-acuerdo-sobre-fin-del-conflicto-FY4436106
Holy fuck, I'm literally watching on TV live how Santos is signing the peace deal with FARC now.
Holy fuck.
Holy fuck.
Historical day.
What does FARC gain from this? I just have a hard time understanding what is it that they gain, I just don't buy that all they want is peace and fair working conditions for agriculture workers.
Are they just literally going to give up a multi billion dollar cocaine trade industry?
Red pill me on that.
>>78314449
It's a sure way for the ideological leaders to get into congress legally.
Since the uribe days the military has killed the big historical leaders.
I think the leaders realized they can't take the power by force.
Of course the ones that want to be just narcos will become narcos without all the marxists BS.
You need to remember they're a marxist guerrilla first.
>>78314851
How on earth are they going to get any of their 'politicians' elected? If I'm not mistaken the entire country hates the fuck out of them, and again if I'm not mistaken Colombia doesn't really like to vote left, much less going full Marxist.
So if the leaders are aware that they would never be voted in due of low popularity, why are they still trying? Is Santos a commie?
I don't want Colombia to turn into another Venezuela, please tell me that isn't happening.
>>78315851
I dunno on that part, but I guess they will become after a while a normal party.
We now have former M-19 guerrilleros as powerfull congressmen, look up Petro and Navarro wolf.
>>78316131
Im all against the political participation of the FARC. But if they want to, then they should get elected and/or rejected. I hope for the best they get rejected. A peace also implies some reject.
>>78316131
I feel that their efforts to take over the country have not vanished and I do think they have a plan. I recall them calling for a new world order.
Not too long ago the pope was in Cuba, and spoke about the peace deals happening there. Then he came here. Obama has re opened political talks with Cuba.
Fuck man, I feel as globalism is just leading to a communist one world regime. I am extremely suspicious about this FARC shit.
>>78316131
>>78316569
Will the FARC survive the aftermath of Peace? It seems hard considering what hapened to Union Patriotica. And FARC is hated alot more than the UP.
Uribe on suicide watch
>>78316887
>pol not speaking against this peace talks.
>pol not even knowing ColUmbia exists
>>78316732
socialism at their core isn't some boogeyman.
socialism has been always about giving people equality.
communism is dead bro, not even Cuba or the FARC think communism will take over the world.
pretty much anybody knowns how socialism as an economic model is a big failure.
This doesn't mean the social ideas of equality will dissapear.
read a book nigger.
>>78315851
>mfw they are probably going to export them to all the rest of south america
There surely must be a virus that only attacks subhumans with native american and nigger DNA and has 100% moretality rate
isnt there one?
>>78317184
>believing FARC's true intentions are '''''''''''equality'''''''''''
Pretty much everyone, except... Canada, Clinton voters in America, The European Union..... right."""everyone""""
You should be the one who needs to take a look at the trend of politics in the world, and take for example that the best regime where the elite has absolute and complete immunity is communism. Ever heard of the soviet union, or Cuba? North Korea?
>>78318158
comunism != socialism.
you seem illiterate.
>>78318979
And you seem naïve, go back clapping to your tv.
Who cares about your banana republic?
esta es la paz de santos?
>>78319721
there's no a single movement of socialism.
It's a broad political movement.
It's not even the same Lenin/Stalin comunism to france socialism to venezuela bolivarian revolution to nordic social democracy to mao chinese revolution.
Not even the same.
iliterate as fuck.
>>78318979
Communism is a utopian state brought upon by socialism.
>>78320056
Of course it's a broad political movement, and one that time after time has failed and its end goal is communism.
European and Nordic socialism is based on the same concept of stealing off the tax payer to give to others, it's just '''democratic''' enough that anyone who speaks against massive immigration or anything to do with how the tax payers money is being used to subsidize those immigrants and leeches on society is immediately labeled as a racist and a bigot and his/her opinions are immediately dismissed.
They are only a step below Venezuelan socialism in the sense that there isn't enough people who are poor and act like sub-humans to elect a full commie populist like Chavez. However at the rate and speed things are going, those are being imported to rot Europe and choose the next Bernie Sanders who will promise everyone free shit.
Once that happens, the country turns into a shithole and the military, like it's seen in Venezuela will guarantee a continuous '''president''' because a gun free society has no chances of doing anything at all against the military.
Once that's completed it all turns into Cuba, and ideally for the communist into a North Korea.
It's happening as we speak dumbfuck.
>>78319999
esta es la paz de Santos????
uyyy que rico hijueputa
>>78322691
yeah I know, but we don't know the future.
maybe something will happen, maybe USA derivative bubble will collapse and WWIII will start.
maybe jesus will come.
we don't know the future.
I hate it. FARC was so close to being annihilated. Now they will gain strenght again.
But that's what Latin Americans deserve, see >>78316887
We are always ungrateful to the people who save us from communism. Chileans hate Pinochet, Argentinians hate Videla, Peruvians hate Fujimori, so of course Colombians will hate Uribe and will elect a cuckservative who clings to left-wing morality and worldview and therefore gives a bunch of unrepentant communists the chance to be relevant again. That way he will be loved by the intelligentsia and the artistic class, and that's what our leaders crave nowadays.
I hope your stupid people vote for FARC "politicians", I hope they ruin the country like ex-guerrillas ruined Brazil and Venezuela. I hope you cry for Uribe to save you, and he says "no".
>>78323468
I heard lots of people saying that the current peace agreement wouldn't be possible under Uribe.
Naive niggers, already forgot who was the one that forced FARC to negotiate by completely wrecking their shit up.
While i think an agreement of this kind is good, it stills bother me that we seemed to be close to victory by completely crushing them and making them give up unconditionally, instead of bringing them to a negotiation table
>>78322691
>conflating socialism with sjw-ism and identity politics cancer
Educate yourself.
>>78324221
Identity politics is the refugee of the socialist when his ideas fail.
The same people who promote SJW-ism now in Brazil are people who 10 years ago were singing praises of the Bolivarian Revolution and asking us to replicate Hugo Chávez policies in our country. Since that failed and they don't want to talk about it anymore, they double-down on feminism and anti-racism.
>>78323468
>>78324053
>close to being annihilated
Have you seen how big our jungles are? To completely destroy them would have been a very bloody campaign, with many casualties on both sides, stretching many years in the future. And what if the government fucks up the process and they regain some strength? You can't solve all problems with guns, I think that was the lesson that this conflict left us.
>>78323364
I can agree with that, but it doesn't mean we should overlook and not pay attention to trends, which are just parts of the bigger plan being influenced in society.
>>78323468
I agree with most of what you've written, specially than when it comes down to it, people are responsible for the government they get.
However I still have a hard time fully accepting Uribe. The guy was also a pretty crooked, he was literally on the DEA most wanted list back in the early 90s. Both right and left wing guerrillas were there just for the coke so I don't know how I feel about that.
>>78324221
You really are fucking stupid aren't you? sjw-ism is a tool used by the left to shame the public opinion on right wing politics out of existence. You have not seen what Western politics are?
Like seriously what are you doing on /pol/ ? Brexit and Trump are getting a lot of shit because common sense is labeled as racist and bigoted, hence dismissed.
I do hope Christ comes back, He is literally the only one who can fix this mess. I feels like there's no point of return. The people have gotten too degenerate to turn it back.
>>78324443
Look. SJWism and Idpol are both anti-socialism because they don't actually care about equality, they only care about putting up frivolous barriers between peoples, dividing the proletariat, and dividing the nation. Pic related should give you some hints about the difference.
People always point out Venezuela and Bolivia as failed examples of socialism, but what about Uruguay? The nordic countries? Apart from the Sweden-YES faggotry, social-democracy in those places achieved so much and raised the quality of life of the population greatly. To ignore those achievements would be intellectually disingenuous.
>>78325931
But social-democracy always ends up being unsustainable, why do you think they're filling their countries up with immigrants?
It also falls for the same fundamental mistake of socialism, which is giving too much power to the state.
>>78325225
The Left!=Socialism.
Leftists is an umbrella term containing a wide variety of political ideologies, from communism, to anarchism, to social-democracy etc etc
Claiming that all leftists are just SJWs is a very ignorant thing to say.
>>78325931
/leftypol/ is intellectually irrelevant. They admire Enver Hoxha. The most influential intellectual currents of socialism do see SJW-ism and identity politics as useful in the socialist strategy for building of a revolutionary coalition. See the works of Herbert Marcuse or Ernesto Laclau for example.
>People always point out Venezuela and Bolivia as failed examples of socialism, but what about Uruguay? The nordic countries?
The thing is. The Brazilian leftists didn't ask us to emulate Uruguay, or Sweden, not even Bolivia (which isn't exactly a failure). Their model were Hugo Chávez and the Bolivarian Revolution. That's why I mention Venezuela, because these people loved it and now that it went to shit they shifted to talk about "rape culture" and pretend they never wanted those stupid policies enacted here.
>>78326829
>They
Not they. There are many political currents in leftypol, you can even get a little flag for your posts to mark yours. It is a forum after all, I don't agree with the commies and their fixation for a worker's revolution, but I don't mind seeing their posts to better gauge a problem from many perspectives. If leftypol was hugbox place like /pol/ it would be very boring.
>The most influential intellectual currents of socialism
And? Idpol and SJWism is pure horseshit that should never be compromised with, that's a point almost universally agreed upon in leftypol. It's not our fault that some leftist parties decided to embrace that crap.
>>78326624
>Nationalism discourages corruption
doubt.jpg
>>78328200
Well, it makes a lot of sense that harvesting this feeling of responsibility/belonging to your country would help.
Nationalism has this stigma of being used as a destructive force, nazi style, for authoritarian governments to get away with bullshit and wage wars, but used correctly can help.
Civic culture is part of the general sense of nationalism, for instance. If you felt some "love", "responsibility" or something along those lines for the streets of your neighborhood you would refrain from throwing trash on the street or taking your dog to shit wherever it wants and not picking it up. Applying it in a wider picture is definitely worth trying.
>>78313633
so all the refugees that invaded the northen provinces will return to your country and leave ecuador? great!
Culombians getting their shit cucked.
>signing peace with literal terrorists
Just fucking get me off this ride.
>Whole Latin America getting their shit together after the shit storm era that was Hugo Chavez
I can't wait for Spain to fall for the same populism meme because they are fucked right now and get Podemos "socialist" party into power to destroy what's left in there.
Lo mas hermoso seria que invadan a Venezuela con los gringos y que vuelva la Gran Colombia.
>>78325931
Humans don't usually care about true equality, equality is a term used to confuse useful idiots to vote for the candidate who promises that.
Most humans care about power, and have a leader both right or left they will get attached to an everlasting thirst for power. The United States constitution is the greatest document ever written for a government because it guarantees that government remains smalls. The failure with socialism is that in order to exist you will need a big government.
The Scandinavian countries are going bankrupt and are beginning to fail. As much improvement in the general standards of life they brought in their short period of existence, those would have not been there if it wasn't for the original capitalist societies that occurred in those countries.
The state pretty much owns your ass with the high amount of taxes, and interestingly private banks because of how expensive it is to buy property and cars (due of more taxes) Now figures by the UN puts Sweden on 3rd world country levels by 2030.
There isn't a need to seek for a better sociopolitical order, you just need to go back to what America used to be.
'power is the ultimate aphrodisiac'
>>78317369
It's called education. Problem is that the contagion rate is incredibly low.
>>78329619
>Whole
It's barely us, maybe peru and ecuador too.
The rest are still on the ride to hell.
>>78329619
https://twitter.com/agarzon/status/742023122140991488
>>78329573
I kek'd to deceive the raging feelings inside me when this nigger came today in the ceremony and thanked Chavito for the peace agreement.
Yeah, thanks for helping FARC in every way possible and flinging shit at us at every chance he got.
>>78326624
right at the beginning it offers a false definition of nation
thats where you should stop
>Not defeating a terrorist group by force
>"peace" declaration
disgusting. Zapatero tier.
>>78313633
>Historical day.
No it isnt, nothing will change except instead of FARC fucking with farmers and their land it will be the government.
Also enjoy your new police code that lets Cambio Radical's own gulag police fuck you over in your own property for not agreeing with their shit and calling them "tombos".
Fucking Santoscuckolds/Uribecucks are worse than Bernouts and Shillaries
>>78330583
Venezuela had the same problem before and it was solved literally the same way.
Just make the fags join you and have them dissappear by a decade.
Colombia just had it a bit more difficult.
I'm glad there's a peace treaty and some modest land reform, but only because the military situation necessitates it. I'd much rather see the FARC march into Bogota and string up the landlord class.
>>78331616
>Colombia just had it a bit more difficult.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine#Production
If it wasn't for the damn drugs FARC would have run out of money decades ago.
>>78331616
It didn't disappear in Venezuela, though, these former guerrilas became the intellectual leaders of the Bolivarian Revolution. See, for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bravo
We can expect the same to happen in Colombia. They just created more problems with this "peace treaty" in the long term.
