The new elections are this Sunday, what is spanish /pol/ voting?
PP - Democristian-Liberal party
PSOE - Socialdemocrat party
Cs - Socialdemocrat party
PODEMOS - Marxists party
Vox - Conservative right wing party
UPYD - Socialdemocrat party
Falange - Far right party
P-LIB - Libertarian party
Bildu - Terrorist party
PNV - Basque nationalist party
ERC - Marxist catalonian independentist party
Convergencia - Right wing catalonian independentist party
Others
IKER JIMÉNEZ FOR PRESIDENT
How can a man with such a JUST hair be so based?
>>78277734
Cibervoluntarios are invading the old thread. Is /pol/ a Guerrilla target?
>>78277734
Voting for the less-cucked party with chances of making a difference, aka Ciudadanos
1st for plib
>>78278069
>Ciudadanos
>Less cucked
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>78278100
2x a loser
>>78278065
IDK, I'm here to watch the shitshow.
Falange technocracy is obviously the best choice
I voted Falange just for fun, we were like just 12000 idiots the last time.
I dont believe in democracy so I will vote some joke again.
>>78278047
>Iker hair
>Justed
You wat m8? He has a nice mane.
>>78278293
>Cannot vote for Falange in Asturias.
Damn it, Victor Manuel!
>>78278126
>LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
14 year old virgin detected
Also who would I vote then?
Vox? They won't get a single escaño anyway
PP? May do it, but I like Ciudadanos' economic proposals
>>78278525
PP and Cs economic proposals are nearly the same for this elections
>>78277734
spain is generally leftist, I guess?
>>78278663
Yes
>>78278654
Vote the ones that can get more of the ones you listed in your region btw
Ok, so how many of you fellow Spaniards have read the Europa Soberana blog?
This should be mandatory, red pilled lecture as fuck
Some links
>Indice
http://europasoberana.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/indice-del-blog.html?m=1
>Los misterios del hielo. Efectos evolutivos de la glaciación
http://europasoberana.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/los-misterios-del-hielo-efectos.html?m=1
>Crisis española y los tabues del 15M (3 partes)
http://europasoberana.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/crisis-espanola-y-los-tabues-del-15-m-i.html?m=1
>Globalistan (3 partes de 5 previstas)
http://europasoberana.blogspot.com.es/2014/08/globalistan-construyendo-el.html?m=1
>>78278126
Stay away from 4chan you undraged commie shill
>>78278100
>>78278825
I vote PP, I were the OP of last thread
>>78278654
I know, but I like the contrato único. I wouldn't care if PP won, though.
>>78278735
>Vote the ones that can get more of the ones you listed in your region btw
Might consider doing so
>>78278663
Unfortunately yes
Their solution to our unemployment este is to bring 1 million rapefugees, increase minimum wage by 50%, create 2 million civil servant. How could we even managed to fund this nonsense? By literally printing more money and increasing taxes
I heard that spain is shifting towards communism? that seems like a bad idea senpaitachi.
>>78279167
>By literally printing more money
You can't. It's the EU.
My grandfather is from the Canary Islands. Does that make me Spanish or African?
>>78279129
didnt they remove the contrato unico? It was good btw
>>78279281
senpai
senpaitachi
new filters?
>>78279305
Trust me, they believe they can. And their voters think that too
>>78278047
As long as Enrique doesn't get any relevant position, I'd vote him.
>>78279321
it makes you a subhuman
>>78279321
I'll tell you 1 hour later
>>78279305
You can always get out :) Like the UK is doing or by desestabilizing the economy so much that the EU decides the kick you out of it. Blame all the problems you generate on the EU and you´ll have millions of brainwashed Podemitas wanting to leave the EU because of muh economic sovereignty
>>78279546
We Greece now
>>78279321
American
>>78277734
Reminder that each day there are more and more Spaniards that shit on Spain on a daily basis.
>>78279409
But anon, IT IS a conspiracy.
>>78279438
Why?
My grandmother is also from Santa Cruz de Tenerife, but she's really brown. She doesn't look black though, but she's like Nadia anime brown.
>>78279645
>implying that there is something more spanish than national self-deprecation
>>78279546
Except 90% of the people are bluepilled EU supporters. I tried to argue with my parents about why the EU is undemocratic and the british should leave while they still can.
Their answer was "LIES EU IS GUD, ENGLISH STAY BECUZ GUD FOR SPAIN GUD FOR THE PEOPLE JOE COOOOOOOOX".
And thats why i hate my family.
>>78279409
>Not wanting Enrique de Vicente in the government just for the kek's
>>78279905
a relaxing cup of cafe con leche in plaza mayor
>>78279905
There is:
Nationalistic Spaniards proud of Spain, their hymn and their flag.
>>78279842
lots of niggers in the canaries
rapebaby islands
>>78280000
Checked
We are fucking doomed, as a richfag I'm scared about my shekels.
>>78279962
EU is actually democratic, whats its not is the ECB, but its better to have it as an independent module and not under the control of some edgy politicians who love printing money
>>78280098
get ready to be ayn randed, bitch
the reds will storm your house and you'll have to run to murica
>>78280155
>shill spotted
>>78279962
Although your parents are absolute shit you can't deny that Brexit would be bad for Spain economically speaking.
>>78280079
But my DNA test I took only shows like, 8% total of my DNA is from North Africa?
Are there lots of moors and arab descendants in the Canaries?
>>78280098
What is your job?
>>78280000
Uhhh, getting quads with a spanish meme. I like you good sir.
>>78280098
Don't worry man. You will share that with the refugees. It's what we deserve for being kinda white and the wars we did against the moors. We will be so progresive now!
>>78277734
You have to be retarded to vote chavistas
>>78277734
So many parties.
Thats nice, desu
>>78280321
I do have a job, but I really live off my real state rents and family bussiness
>>78280303
wtf you're canarian and spic and with 8% nigger dna and you're still asking if you're white?
Yes there are lots of moors, rapebabies and jew converts in the canary islands.
it's africa, what did you expect?
Are you guys still in the EU no matter what?
I hate seeing that little blue flag next to all of your posts
>>78279769
Do you think he would blame the Jews of ANYTHING? He just likes to say that everything is part of a conspiracy, whose objectives aren't even logical.
Also,the last time he appeared he was arguing about female Catholic priestess against a guy (who has WAY more knowledge about the issue) that the reason why there weren't any between the 1st/2nd century untill now is because muh patriarchal-machist conspiration.
>>78279995
>Make him Minister of Exterior
>All you get by him during 4 years are rumours that X countries are plotting against Spain
>>78280155
>EU is actually democratic
Then you can surely explain all of us who voted for the President of the European Commission. We didn't.
And btw, what the hell is the European Council and the Council of the European Union? What are their roles?
>>78280213
G-galt's gulch soon?
>>78280155
>EU is actually democratic
kek
Does podemos still support chavez?
>>78280557
what's the problem anon? have you no empathy or solidarity for the fellow man? Just share! it's easy, private property is the root of all evil :^)
>>78280257
Ofcourse. But is their desition. When worrying about Brexit you should think as a Brit, not as a Spaniard.
>>78280155
>EU is actually democratic
You weren't paying atention weren't you?
>>78280461
I'm not Canarian, Xavi. My grandparents are. I'm Cuban born.
>>78277734
>not voting Falange or PNV
BOLUDOS
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>>78280434
except the first 4, all the others get less than 1% of the vote
>>78280213
Also, fucking PP already tried to turn one of my gardens into a public park, so you can imagine how fucking scared of Podemos I am.
>>78280434
Literally Weimar-tier amount of parties.
Vote for the Francoists
>>78279842
Your grandmother rolled one of the world's 3 10/10 physical features packs, gg
>>78280829
Only 4 are relevant
>>78280665
They're now pretending they have never had anything to do with chavism.
Also, almost checked
>>78280760
>>78280760
>fucking PP already tried to turn one of my gardens into a public park
kek do you own a palace and grounds in the city or what?
At least spend and hire people pls be a freemarketbro
>>78280665
yes
>>78280829
>>78280894
Like he said only PP, PSOE, C's and Podemos are relevant.
>>78280479
>Then you can surely explain all of us who voted for the President of the European Commission. We didn't.
Its appointed by the national leaders (heads of state or government of EU countries), with the approval of the European Parliament. You vote for the EU parliament and the heads of state (in Spain Rajoy takes this role on EU)
>what the hell is the European Council
http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/european-council/index_en.htm
>Council of the European Union
http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/council-eu/index_en.htm
Info on how presidents are chosen: http://europa.eu/about-eu/basic-information/eu-presidents/index_en.htm
>>78279905
This.
It is the ultimate defense.
>our enemies hate us
>they are now us, not our allies, but prideful spaniards
>>78280937
We own a lot, and yes, we spend and hire, do you want to harvest some grape this summer?
>>78281247
>"i would like too! How much will you pay me? 2000€ month?"
And that's why there is so much unemployment.
>mfw losing the cringy spanish meme wars
SAD!
No one cares about some marachi bull chasing paella shitting gooks election. Especially not when BREXIT is happening. Delete this thread.
>>78280914
>>78281247
Pure curiosity, do you have a "de" in your name? Like Alberto de Whatever.
>>78281421
wut?
>>78281247
>my dady is super rich lel
No I don't want to pick grapes, pablo.
I'm all for the free market and a liberal economy but condescending rich kids are still a cancer.
I will always respect inmensely someone who made their fortune from little, but you don't get to inherit acres upon acres of land and be smug about it. The red wave is coming boi :^)
>>78281501
Unfortunately no, we are not noblemen, but succesfull capitalists
>>78281422
>at some point this retard was considered a good politician
Remember when he scored over Rivera on those early polls?
>>78281522
People need to low their standars. They hope that when they finish uni they will get 100000€ monthly and live like the king. Believe me, it's not that there are no jobs, just people don't take them.
>>78281657
Then you're fucked if mugremos reaches the gubmint.
I would pack up if I were you
Kek delete this thread now go fight over a rock
>>78277734
Tell me Spanish bros, do you rich northerners really despire the poor and lazy southerners?
>>78281856
Yes
>>78281890
Me too
>>78281801
Gibraltar will always be British, unless the Spaniards want to take back all the territory they surrendered in the treaty of Utrecht.
>>78281586
I was being serious, I love to pick up grapes in the summer and I do it for free.
>implying my family was not poor
>implying we are not austere as fuck
Fuck your stupid stereotypes, you are the smuggy faggot here, m8
>>78281975
That's because Spain is a MEME nation
>>78281422
>yfw this piece of shit can win
>>78280418
Don't worry, I'll be voting Pene V.
>>78281856
yes
>>78281856
Their accent is pure trash, most andalucians are brown tanned. I can't live in hot regions, i nearly melted there.
>>78282055
goddammit. what happened to the left?
>>78281716
A year ago I would disagree with you but after sin months of going through god knows how many candidates and lowering our minimum skill level I agree with you.
IT has the biggest amount of sinsangres per capita holy shit, how hard is it to pretend that you're looking forward to work.
>>78281856
of course
>>78282286
They never grew up
>>78281856
We don't hate them because they are poor, we hate them for being the lowest intellectual mudhole in our country.
>>78282214
I know that feel, we have a place in portugal 5 minutes from the border. Went to Seville and it was 41/42 Deg C,
Its not nice.
>Spain colonizes huge parts of the world and they turn into a bunch of socialist, race mixed cess pools of degeneracy
>England colonizes huge parts of the world and they turn into massive powers and run global affairs and the culture for the past 200 years like the US, Canada, Australia, India, etc
>>78282458
The brits wiped the natives, we fugged them.
That's literally it
Polack living in spain here, is PP really as bad as they say? because apart from pp, psoe, and podemos it still seems. best?
there trully aren't many options here.
>>78282458
>India
it's the difference between killing the natives and becoming the natives
>>78282406
Hell, right now i'm in Asturias and i Feel hot. It's fucking raining outside and the sin is gone. I hate summer.
>>78281586
really, you don't want to pick grapes with me? It's fun as fuck, and you can learn about how rich people really are without falling for your rich-kid-meme.
Also, free grapes!
>>78282635
why didn't you wipe them out :( now they're swarming my land
>>78282712
I would like to. But i have a serious phobia to bees, hornets, wasps... No fucking joke.
How can a country that experienced so many leftist governments, that are basically a parasite nation living thanks to Germany... can choose a right-wing party?
Its time to get back to work Spain.
>>78282712
I don't hate rich kids, I was a rich kid once, my family lost the business with the 2008 crisis but we've been upper middle class since then. We're not landed gentry though and my father was son of working class parents
Are you in Catalonia?
>>78282733
How can a hundred conquistadores conquer a whole empire?
Not killing everything on sight
>>78282055
Another gem of these assholes
>>78281975
If they didn't behave like little shits and didn't try to smuggle as much as they do most of us wouldn't have that much problem with Gibraltar being British.
But instead the we wuz britz an shiet quillo that live there keep allowing (and even celebrating) that crap. And the UK defends them.
>>78282893
*cant choose
>>78282959
You should have given them small pox blankets
>>78282832
There are not so much bees in our vineyards, but mosquitos are a pain in the ass.
>>78282348
Exactly. My sister finished uni and wants to move out to Chile, because "she never found a job". The thing is she never every bothered to do soo and kept getting free gibs for being unemployed.
>>78283026
>Feminist
>Fair
Pick one.
Fuck political parties who already bought into the sjw muh feels propaganda.
>>78283026
We defend them because it is our land.
Don't be so butthurt, do you also get pissy when we celebrate bonfire night on the 5th of November as we celebrate foiling of a Spanish plot to blow up the houses of parliament?
No you don't because it takes place on British soil, it just proves you all still think that Gibraltar is yours.
But it is not.
It is ours.
>>78283026
>España es un país de hombres blancos en un bar
This sounds so sweet and wonderful. I wish it was the truth, but for these cucks this is literally the devil
>We need to bring more diversity
We are already diverse you dumb fuck we had a multiethnic empire with all those fucking spics. What you want is to destroy all races by mixing them
>>78277734
terrorist party here m8s
>>78283026
I fuckin hate how these retards got so popular in Twitter. It makes me sick
Vote Bildu or else.
>>78282917
I live in Barcelona right now, but I'm not catalan.
Sorry about your situation after the crisis, Zapatero fucked us hard, but you should have a bit of common decency and not feel happy for my family being trapped in the "red wave".
>>78283026
they fall for the leftist american meme academia, we saw it coming a long time ago.
>>78282348
IT is shit.
>tfw nearly no work on app dev
>>78279167
You mean taking more gigantic EU loans so your country ends up being totally enslaved to Brussels
Everybody wanting to vote socialist should look at France and how they're doing with the biggest labour strikes they've ever had and Hollande burning through cash to give his friends more jobs.
>>78283329
That cuñado shit is the worst forced meme I've ever seen.
And obviously they eat it up like the loyal dogs they are.
>>78283561
Get into industrial IT.
App dev has a enormous expiration date.
>>78283440
Of course I don't want your family or anyone else's to be threatened by the commies. It's just your "pick my grapes" comment looked like you were adressing a filthy peasant and you considered yourself superior.
If you really meant picking grapes is fun I'd ask you in which county is your vineyard. I too live in barcelona
btw you own land in the city and they tried to make your garden public, here in bcn?
>>78283561
that's why you work remotely for US corps like everybody in Canada does
hnhiring.me
>>78283756
IT is shit as in annoying as fuck.
Also trying toget and study EE
>>78282055
The fuck has a muslim killing gays anything to do with the fucking "heteropatriarchy"???
>>78283863
yeah but remotely in canada means an hour away from the country, it's as if I worked remotely in france, not in the US
>>78282893
Because guys from that right-wing party stole from our wallets while they were cutting budgets of everything else.
Not saying that the left didn't do that, tho.
>>78283309
No, I get butthurt when people from that rock make money ILLEGALY and OUTSIDE their territory/barrier. And the best part is that get mad because the Spanish police reinforces controls to stop that activity.
Also, the troubles with fishers, the cement blocks,etc.
But hey, I'm pissed because I believe Gibraltar is ours, not because they are gaining easy money while Spanish tobacco companies that have to pay taxes aren't. That would be just silly.
>>78283786
Oh, but I didn't said "pick my grapes" i literally said "do you want to harvest some grape this summer?" as a kind invitation.
Our vineyards are in Poortugal, and no, the issue of turning my beatifull hollyday home garden into a public park was caused by galician PP.
On a side note, we convince them not to do it by saying they were acting like Hugo Chavez kek, true story.
Anyways who /losantos/ here
>>78284280
Well I don't think I'm up for picking grapes in the sun in portugal as a full time thing, but you can send over some of that nice porto wine
"/pol/, what do you mean you're not voting for me?"
>>78284480
Love the nicknames he uses for anyone he dislikes
>>78284492
Albariño power, m8!
>>78284517
>wat
More like who
>>78284862
>white wine
fucking discarded
good luck to you though if potemos wins. It's always been a dream of mine to own a vineyard in the future when I'm getting old.
>>78284517
I'll trying my best, based Abascal. Santiago y cierra España
"Hey, anon, ready to retake Gibraltar?"
>>78285195
>That nose
Oy vey!
>>78283413
Bildu a shit
t. The stronghold of Bildu
>>78285195
Why are you not in catalonia?
>>78280000
Cafe con leche cubano estas mejor
>>78283756
Working in IT just makes you resposible for everything ever that happens in a computer close to you. Shit sucks.
>>78285020
B-but our wine won a first price last year, it's good! But I must confess That I also prefer red wine.
Vineyards are great but also a pain in the ass, stupid taxes and every year we are robbed by the laborers, it's like a tradition at this point.
On the other side, you can take long walks through the grapes and enjoy yourself.
>>78285195
his nose scares me
>>78285720
I would buy one in the US and have spics pick the grapes for me.
There would be signs here and there saying "The gold is not going back, Jesús"
>>78283026
Garzón was or is considered the "best" politician
>>78286137
top kek, I suggest also a "stealing is punished by death" sign, it will save you lots of troubles.
>>78277734
Who are you all going to vote for in the coming elections?
>>78282649
answer me goddammit
>>78288590
no one this time, but I will vote the fucking PP if I were in my hometown, wich is sad tbrh
>>78282649
Corrupted party. Vote ciudadanos if you want to vote PP, they can pressure Rajoy to resign from his post if they managed to get a decente amount of Parlamento members
No Spaniards posting now cause is siesta time
>>78290496
Jokes on you, I just finished lunch and I rarely do siestas.
>>78290496
true, I need to do a quick sleep, see ya!
>>78277734
>2016
>not voting falange
It's almost as if you guys haven't read the Collected Writings of Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera or something. When did you forget that Franco saved your country from the horde of bolshevik jews?
Voting is for faggots, abstention is the best option.
>>78291356
Chavez won with 36.5% of abstention
>>78277734
PODEMOS
>>78291829
Need moar abstention then.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuut we have retardeds voting PACMA, Escaños en Blanco....
>>78288391
>not just cortez face
una paella por favor jaja
>>78293579
FORCED MEME
>>78292285
Political shitposting. Best Shitposting WorldWide
>>78291276
There are like four Falange's parties here, lad. They're a fuckin joke
>>78293822
i know. it's just a fucking hilarous photo.
>>78292485
PACMA voter here AmA : ^)
>>78294360
Are you a girl?
>>78294360
Would you like to see a Dog in a escaño???
>>78294360
>>78294360
SJW detected
>>78294645
I would. Preferably a Spanish mastiff.
>>78294552
>>78294645
>>78294826
>>78294858
I'm a homo who's absolutely disgusted by Islam and mass immigration so Podemos is out, absolutely disgusted by austerity and neoliberal economics so PP and C's are out, PSOE is a joke. I care about animals, so PACMA seems a bit less retarded than not voting.
>>78294932
Big Badass Doggos Party
cual es el problema de pp y podemos???
>>78295135
If you think PACMA isn't going to pull a welcome refugees you are going to have a bad time.
When I see them bitch about halal/kosher meat instead of bitching about "muh hurses going in parades are torture" they'll gain my trust.
>>78295135
You are just a politically illiterate faggot, voting PACMA is a lot more retarded than not voting.
>I care about animals
No, you worry arbitrarily about certain species of mammals and think is OK to impose autistic laws regarding that non-issue.
>>78295506
Human rights and animal rights are quite compatible.
>>78295506
But they won't have enough power to make a difference, that's the thing. I am perfectly aware of this and there's no way I'd vote for them if they were a main party. But with the votes they'll have, they'll devote their efforts to being anal about animal rights. I would never vote for PACMA if they had a chance of winning, senpai.
>>78295688
I'm vegan bb, I worry about all animals :)
>>78295833
>vegan
what do you do when you have mosquitoes around bro?
>All these Spaniards on my Ugandan scuba diving board.
>>78296032
I'm vegan when it comes to my diet and entertainment. For environmental reasons as well as ethical ones. If a mosquito is bugging me, I'll kill it. I'm not retarded about it.
>>78295730
No, they aren't. "Animal rights" are just the right of some faggots to not being offended when certain animals suffer. Which is an arbitrary and philosophically indefensible concept.
>>78296032
>I'm vegan
at least you are logic within your ideas
>I kill mosquitoes
Oh, boi, here we go again!
>>78295833
>I'm vegan
Autistic trends AF
>>78296306
>animal rights are a philosophically indefensible concept
Pythagoras and Plutarch disagree. But I guess you're a better philosopher.
>>78295135
And you are 38 years old?
>>78295833
>they'll devote their efforts to being anal about animal rights.
Again, pretty much their definition of rights is the same as PETA's. Which isn't a good thing.
Getting triggered by bullfighting is somewhat alright (I wouldn't say triggered in my case, but you get my point)
Getting triggered by watching animals walk during "Reyes" parade is retarded.
>>78296540
>Pythagoras and Plutarch disagree
My snob detector is over 9000.
>>78296540
>appeal to philosophical authority
kek
Not an argument, faggot. Arbitrary laws are still arbitrary, and Animal rights are just human "rights" to not be offended, prove me wrong.
also:
Stirner and Aristotle disagrees, but I guess you're a better philosopher. :^)
>>78296540
Also:
>Pythagoras urged respect for animals, believing that human and nonhuman souls were reincarnated from human to animal, and vice versa.
You vegans are a bunch of incoherently hilarious retards.
>>78296445
Yeah that's not how it works, but thanks for the post ;) Worst thing is you probably don't see the difference between factory farming and killing our planet and fucking all our resources and causing massive hunger worldwide and unecessary amounts of suffering for cultural hedonism and killing an insect that carries disease and who lives off your blood. I do not go out of my way to kill mosquitoes; if one is biting me, I'll kill it. Plz don't be ridiculous. I would also never try to push veganism on random tribes in the middle of the jungle, for instance. Their meat consumption is needed, harmless and justified. But nice try.
>>78297057
You said it was "philosophically indefensible concept" and I gave you two philosophers that defend it. I wasn't saying it was an objective truth, laddy.
>>78297485
? This is a common justification for veganism in cultures that believe in forms of reincarnation. It's not my argument at all lel.
>>78281663
Rivera is GOAT politician IMO, but there is no denial Garzón is better than Iglesias in everything except self-promotion
>>78297727
As long as you vote...
>>78297727
Also a lot of you fags are fighting straw men. Just because I'm vegan doesn't mean I'm a SJW anti-vaccine hippie. Sorry to destroy your epin non-PC narrative, but that's just not how a lot of us are. For instance I think hunting is one million times better than buying meat at a supermarket. Bullfighting is better than McDonald's. Well, less bad, at any rate.
Veganism is a privilege and a moral obligation not to fuck up our planet and to reduce suffering of innocent creatures. Stop being so insecure.
>ese sentimiento cuando no puedes ser vegano por enfermedades
Matadme
>>78297727
>you probably don't see the difference between factory farming and killing our planet
Rights exist regardless of the circumstances. Then you are not defending animal rights, but concrete political actions.
>I gave you two philosophers that defend it.
Unrelated to the concpet being philosophically defensible.
>It's not my argument at all lel.
It is your argument since you were presenting Pythagoras as an example.
Are you real? Why don't you attack the issue itself, instead of shitposting?
>PP - Democristian-Liberal party
More like Cuckservative-Socialdemocrat party.
I'm not voting for shit. P-Lib is not in my province and the other options are either three social democrat parties or the marxist one which is allied with the communists. I fuckin swear this country is FAR beyond saving.
>>78298655
En todo caso te mataría si lo fueras, pero desgraciadamente eres normal.
>>78298655
Herbivores are literally made with vegetables, so that technically is vegetarian food
>>78297727
>and killing our planet and fucking all our resources and causing massive hunger worldwide
¿Estas al corriente de que la malnutrición del mundo está causada por la falta de proteínas, verdad? Toso el mundo tiene acceso a un plato de arroz hoy en día en cualquier parte del mundo. Los productos animales son otra historia.
>and killing our planet
Como ingeniero agrónomo te puedo asegurar que la agricultura ya lo está haciendo. La ganadería es solo un grano más del montón. Retrasas lo inevitable.
>>78298655
Lo siento :( ¿Qué tienes? A muchas mujeres les cuesta por cuestión del hierro y de la anemia. Pero bueno, si de verdad te preocupa, simplemente come lo mínimo de productos animales que necesites para estar bien. Eliminar es ideal, pero mucha gente no se da cuenta de que reducir hace muchísimo. Yo la línea sí que la veo clara en la cuestión de supervivencia. Pretendo ser vegano, pero si en algún momento necesito comer productos de origen animal por mi salud, lo haría. Con pena, pero seguro.
>>78298761
:^) bacon om nom nom nom xD Haz lo que te de la gana. Paso de meterme en discusiones filosóficas. No necesito a Stirner para saber que no me gusta matar vacas y es bien fácil evitarlo. Yo voy a seguir llevando la mejor dieta para mi planeta y reduciendo lo máximo posible el daño que las causo a los animales.
>>78299365
edgy
>>78298171
>Veganism is a privilege and a moral obligation not to fuck up our planet and to reduce suffering of innocent creatures
Moral knights....
>>78277734
PNV
>>78299462
Como ingeniero agrónomo, sabrás la cantidad de soja (proteína) que se destina para consumo de ganado . Como ingeniero agrónomo, sabrás que una parte tremeneda de la agricultura del mundo está destinada para que coman animales que luego nos comemos todos. Cuanto más bajo en la cadena trófica comas, menos impacto. La agricultura es BRUTAL para el medio ambiente. Y que se la coman animales criados para que nos los comamos nosotros es peor. Es imposible no dañar el medio ambiente con los sistemas actuales. Pero dañarlo poco es mejor que dañarlo mucho.
> We have an economic and social crisis. Spain is fucked up bois
> Let's become vegan and save animals.
>>78299476
Diabetes tipo 1 y celiaquía. La celiaquía me quita la mitad de los productos vegetales, y la diabetes prohíbe una dieta de puro carbo. Lo único libre de carbo son la verdura (cero valor calórico) y los productos animales (proteína + grasa)
Por supuesto, tengo que comer carbohidratos con los pinchazos correspondientes. Pero para un diabético lo mejor es tenerlos al mínimo. Je, si tengo hambre entre horas, lo único que puedo comer es fiambre.
>>78298171
>Veganism is a privilege and a moral obligation
Veganism is more of a privilege or a choice than an obligation. Sure we could all eat less meat and more veggies, but not eating them isn't good at all. Nor for us or the environment.
If the cow lives a somewhat acceptable life, has a painless death, and the meat producer has a bit of profit, what's the problem? Is not like we kill them EXCLUSIVELY because our pleasure (unlike bulls). Sure there are supplements, but an equilibrated diet is always better. And that goes both ways.
I'd worry more about the money the state gives for fishing, when it's an activity that should have collapsed under its own weight, it's funny how you don't mention it when it's the main cause of environmental damage on the sea worldwide.
>>78299729
A cow can turn plant matter with a lot of cellulose into meat. Funnily enough, we eat very little of most cereals.Or are we going to eat corn stems now?
>>78299882
Spain is different
>>78299729
>Como ingeniero agrónomo, sabrás la cantidad de soja (proteína) que se destina para consumo de ganado.
Sip. Es la fuente más barata de proteínas. Las proteínas de hecho, son lo más caro de producir. Da igual que sean de origen animal o vegetal.
>Como ingeniero agrónomo, sabrás que una parte tremeneda de la agricultura del mundo está destinada para que coman animales que luego nos comemos todos.
En Europa casi todo el pienso está hecho de subproductos de la agricultura, baka sempai. Cascaras, tallos, harinas molidas de múltiples cosas, paja y demás mierdas. Los cereales como el arroz de destinan a los humanos, no a los animales. Muy caros para pienso.
Si bien es cierto que EEUU usa el maíz, pero eso es porque producen a mansalva.
Te estoy diciendo que no retrasas nada. Mira el arroz. El arroz usa encharcamiento, que es como un pantano, y los pantanos producen metano. Considera que el arroz es el alimento principal del mundo y ahora haz las mates. Pero claro, por ser un alimento principal nadie a protestar.
¿Has visto a los niños africanos? Esas tripas son síntoma de deficiencia proteica. ¿Cómo vamos a prohibir la carne si el 95% de la malnutrición moderna está causada por el no acceso a productos animales? Habría que repartirlos mejor si eso. Unos tienen en exceso y otros nada.
>>78300845
>If the cow lives a somewhat acceptable life, has a painless death, and the meat producer has a bit of profit, what's the problem?
What is "somewhat acceptable"? It doesn't sound good. Besides, how much of this meat do you eat regularly and who can afford it? Is it viable in a grand scale? Nope, just bourgie "guilt-free" shit. It's not sustainable and most people can't afford it. The whole world simply can't be fed on beef regularly.
> Sure there are supplements, but an equilibrated diet is always better.
Who the fuck gets that? Milk is full of added vitamins, normal cereal (Kelloggs) has D, B12 and other vitamins added. Just look at any processed product you can get your hands on, odds are it's been fortified. I literally only supplement B12, many of my omni friends supplement way more. Other than B12, which I get from supplements, my diet is more nutritionally complete than most omnis exclusively because of the fact that I give a shit about nutrition.
>I'd worry more about the money the state gives for fishing, when it's an activity that should have collapsed under its own weight, it's funny how you don't mention it when it's the main cause of environmental damage on the sea worldwide.
Mammals are a lot easier for people to empathise with and a lot of my points were about ethics. I don't eat any fish either and it's absolutely brutal environmentally. Me not mentioning it in a couple posts means nothing. And you're only making a case for veganism here. I agree with you!
>>78299476
Sigues evitando la cuestión principal: que los derechos animales no existen, son meros "derechos" humanos a no ofenderse cuando ciertos animales sufren. Cuestión que no eres capaz de atacar debido a que es un asunto arbitrario, ergo ilógico.
>No necesito a Stirner para saber que no me gusta matar vacas.
Pero sí a Pitágoras y Plutarco, por lo visto...
>Yo voy a seguir llevando la mejor dieta para mi planeta y reduciendo lo máximo posible el daño que las causo a los animales.
No lo haces, aunque tu filosofía justiciera de occidental opulento te haga creer que así es.
>:^) bacon om nom nom nom xD
¿Acaso la ausencia de chuletón te está convirtiendo en retrasado?
>ser vegano
>en españa
Con la carne que tenemos?
Estan locos estos Romanos.
>>78302594
No tenemos tanta carne. De hecho no tenemos apenas ganadería comparado con el resto de Europa. Además, en España se come mucho pescado.
Lo cual es muy bueno. Menos contaminación de nitrógeno. Todos los países del norte tienen un problema de exceso de "abono". Mira Holanda y hechate a llorar.
>>78301826
Me reconoces lo primero pero no sigues con lo segundo. Si la cantidad de soja que se usa para pienso animal se la comiesen personas, ayudaría mucho.
>Como ingeniero agrónomo, sabrás que una parte tremeneda de la agricultura del mundo está destinada para que coman animales que luego nos comemos todos.
>del mundo
>En Europa casi todo el pienso está hecho de subproductos de la agricultura, baka sempai.
>En Europa
Además, ¿no eres tú el que se quejaba de no poder ser vegano por motivos de salud? ¿Era una broma? Y de todos modos, aparte de la cuestión medioambiental, que es bien importante (la pesca también), está le ética. Aunque tuviese 0 impacto medioambiental (que tiene muchísimo), seguiría defendiendo el veganismo desde un punto de vista 100% ético.
>>78301911
Nice dubs.
No evito nada. O sea, si lo que quieres es una discusión sobre terminología, entonces me temo que te he malinterpretado. ¿Lo siento? O sea, si tu problema es el concepto de derechos de animales, yo ahí no me meto. Pero es que no necesito un tratado para saber que no quiero hacerle daño a animales. Es empatía básica en mi caso. ¿Tienes algún problema con eso? ¿Qué debo hacer según tú entonces? ¿Comer chuletón porque te molesta el concepto filosófico de "derechos de animales" aunque yo personalmente no esté éticamente cómodo matando a una vaca?
>Pero sí a Pitágoras y Plutarco, por lo visto...
No. Tampoco los necesito para saber que no me gusta matar vaquitas. No he dicho eso.
De todos modos me tengo que ir ahora. Respondo luego si sigue vivo esto.
>>78303010
Mierda, pretendía citar a >>78301689 para la primera parte.
>>78303003
No me referia a la cantidad, me referia a la calidad, Puedes encontrar carne de primera en muchas carnicerias.
>>78301826
>What is "somewhat acceptable"?
Those conditions in which the animal has its needs covered and doesn't develop any pathologies or abnormalities. Of course isn't a viable or profitable grand scale strategy to have all the animals roaming free like pata negra pigs, but there must be a middle ground between that and the shittiest farms.
>Mammals are a lot easier for people to empathise with and a lot of my points were about ethics.
Yes, but the problem is that they empathise with them so much they fail to see the bigger picture.
>my diet is more nutritionally complete than most omnis exclusively because of the fact that I give a shit about nutrition.
If people in general gave a shit about nutrition they'd have more complete diets than vegans (without supplements) because they eat fish/meat.
>>78303010
Me reconoces lo primero pero no sigues con lo segundo. Si la cantidad de soja que se usa para pienso animal se la comiesen personas, ayudaría mucho.
La soja no es tan ideal para los humanos como para los animales. La soja funciona de maravilla con herbívoros. Hay mucha gente que es alérgica y es bastante cabrona. Además, si se pudieran cubrir con soja las necesidades proteicas, ¿Porque los veganos ingieren pastillas de proteínas?
Lamento decirte que tu forma de vida es solo viable en el primer mundo.
>En Europa casi todo el pienso está hecho de subproductos de la agricultura, baka sempai.
>En Europa
Porque en Europa somos del primer mundo, y nos podemos permitir memes sin morirnos de hambre, como la agricultura ecológica.
¿Era una broma? Y de todos modos, aparte de la cuestión medioambiental, que es bien importante (la pesca también), está le ética. Aunque tuviese 0 impacto medioambiental (que tiene muchísimo), seguiría defendiendo el veganismo desde un punto de vista 100% ético.
¿Prefieres niños humanos malnutridos a eso? Bonita ética chicho.
>Además, ¿no eres tú el que se quejaba de no poder ser vegano por motivos de salud? ¿Era una broma?
Por desgracia no.
Te diré una cosa que te encantará oír. Sí, todo sería muy viable sin carne, siempre que se consuma huevo y leche. Son mejores que la carne y el pescado. Es más, el huevo es la comida de dios en cuanto a proteínas. Es literalmente perfecto para los humanos. Suficiente cantidad, balance correcto, todos los aminoácidos ect..
Un vegetariano probablemente tiene mejor equilibrio proteico que alguien que come carne, kek. Por eso difiero del veganismo. Me parece una tontaa cuando podrían criase vacas lecheras y gallinas de una forma ética.
>>78303010
Claro que tengo un problema con el establecimiento de leyes basadas en "empatía", es decir, sin una justificación lógica mínimamente convincente. Sentir no es pensar, y PACMA intenta establecer leyes basadas en sentimientos en lugar de hacerlo basándose en la lógica, por lo que en ningún caso debería nadie votar por ellos.
Lo que tu hagas y lo que comas es asunto tuyo y, por supuesto, eres libre de hacer lo que te plazca. Pero votar a un partido que intenta obligarme a seguir sus sentimentalismo arbitrario es, directamente, tiránico.
Por no hablar del calibre intelectual y político de sus miembros, ¿has leído su programa político?
Votar al PACMa es colaborar activamente con el proceso de desintelectualización de la clase política.
Pic extremadamente related
>>78283054
buy some antimosquitos oil
i find it funny that niggers used to pick cotton in america and now they pick olives in spain loollll
>>78291276
franco was some crypto jew, just like hitler, he was so good w jews to the point that a rabbi made him some sort of jew saint
Who /voto blanco/ here
>>78308883
best is not even going to vote
Vox is too friki
>>78282055
>España
>hombres blancos
Stupid liberals drinking the same cuck AIDS Kool-Aid American ones peddle.
>>78311320
They adopt american leftist values the same way a wigger does.
>>78311320
It was going to happen sooner or later, it took 2 years or so
Is Spain good for going in holidays?
>>78313593
RARE!
redpill me spicspocs
Do you have a UKIP-equivalent political party in your country? Any leaders similar to our based Nigel Farrage, or are all the politicians in your country a cuck just like in Germany/ Sweden? Are you guys being culturally enriched by slimes and niggers? Are you guys considering a #Spexit of some kind in the near future?
>>78314534
dunno, it doesnt matter because the whole world is cucked by jews
>>78314534
not a single good candidate, not a Trump or Farage here.
>>78316664
What about Santiago Abascal?
His motto is literally "Make Spain Great Again"
>>78282055
>mfw this type of libtard shit has already infected my motherland this much....
shouldnt you guys all be having a permanent siesta
>>78282055
guys, i speak a little spanish... is this the tweet?
"it was white christian males who shot up the night club"
>>78323862
Translated for you:
All my support for the relatives of the Toronto victims and the two woman killed (in Spain) in these last 24 hours. Victims of the same blot: straight-patriarchy
>>78317873
Not remotely close to Trump or Farage.
