Why aren't millennials having children?
>no more loving wife; you now have a feminist who works the same hours at some secretary job.
>no more obedient children; cant discipline them. Cant teach them right from wrong.
>no factory job that can support you, your wife, and 3 children. Now you work ludiscrous hours if you even want to have a house
>house prices have not stayed in line with the average wage
gee wonder why
>>78230428
They are children.
no gf
moribund economy
>>78230428
Look at what happened to their parents.
>>78230696
This pretty much. Also milennials are bad enough. What makes you think their children will be less obnoxious and entitled?
I'm 29
many friends of mine have families now
>>78230698
/thread
no one has the time to properly do so
That's why the shittiest people tend to have children who are also shitty.
>>78230428
They are, by mistake.
Plenty of my friends have kids by accident. sad really
>>78230428
>feminism corrupted women
>dating feels more like work than ever before
>work feels more like work than ever before
>society caters towards hedonism and abdicates responsibility
And surprise surprise, no one wants to deal with it. Nor should they.
>>78230428
Send money to my paypal account and then i will have kids.
Seriously no one can afford it and are stuck establishing themselves in careers for fifteen years and if they are lucky they will get stability.
>>78230428
Millennials act like babies so why do they need babies?
>>78230428
Raised price of living, lower wages in coordination with inflation, lack of jobs, job market either requiring a high-tier degree to make 60k or entry level jobs for $12 with nothing in between.
The only millenials I see getting married and having kids are ones with good uni degrees (business, engineering, medical), or people with a career in trades.
Most millenials have neither of these things.
>>78230847
I dunno man. The boomers are pretty different from greatest generation.
>>78230428
Stagflation is a bitch.
Are you kidding? They can't even support themselves.
The only 'people' having kids are illegals and niggers on the gibsmedat express.
Late capitalism basically made everyone wage slaves who cant do anything without being buried in mountains of debt.
>>78231194
The boomers are the worst generation I know of. They were the leaders in divorce, drug abuse, alcohol addiction, atheism, the hippy movement, casual sex, and femmenism. Their fathers weren't like this. The boomers are truly satan's generation.
The millenial response should be to live as strict and conservative as possible. I personally have gotten into independent Fundemental baptist Christianity.
>>78230698
>>78230428
yeah wtf are you high on OP
>>78230428
ive never seen this thread before, thanks for making it
>>78230428
Because we're the worst generation after Boomers.
I have no idea how to talk to women. Pretty sure I'll die a virgin at this point, probably within the next few years.
>>78231616
this
The Jews tricked young white girls onto thinking the world is overpopulated meanwhile niggers in Africa breed like the animals they are.
>>78230428
A couple of reasons.
A - Overpopulation has caused our morality to shift.
There are too many people on the planet, and we know this to be true, as such, we aren't having as many children this generation so that the population will fall to a relatively reasonable level again.
B - Many millennials just don't like children.
Because they are still children
>>78231616
talk to them like a human being, not that hard. make sure you have something to talk about before approaching or you will look autistic
>>78230428
Cant afford too.
I cant even afford to rent a house in my city because the politicians have fucked everything with mass immigration and a housing shortage.
My only hope now is leaving the city for a region and meeting some non city dwelling, non degenerate female.
>Every girl iv met lately has been covered in tattoos, tomboyish and wont be feminine.
>>78230428
Because they act like children.
>>78231684
Asia is actually the most overpopulated continent
>>78230428
shitconomy, can't afford to have kids, also they're irresponsible morons too. better for the world, until they get some sense kicked into them.
>>78230428
Because these are the women we have to choose from, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEWoSiSH6mk
>>78231194
I take solace in that Boomers will be demonized in history books as the root cause of the modern problems afflicting the West.
Do you honestly want a bunch of bluepilled retards having cuckbabies
>>78231721
>A - Overpopulation has caused our morality to shift.There are too many people on the planet, and we know this to be true, as such, we aren't having as many children this generation so that the population will fall to a relatively reasonable level again.
Westerners aren't having kids. The shit skins don't care if they cant afford to breed or not.
They are also now coming for the wests resources and are going to crash our economies because of it.
>28
I don't have a gf and even if I did I don't think I could afford to have a kid with my shitty job
>>78231721
There are too many people in Africa, India and other third world countries.
The rich first-world isn't reproducing, so they are using mass immigration and calling anyone who disagrees or says it is risky a WAYCIST.
>>78230428
Because they are children and they shall never grow up. They will be 50 year old men arguing about which is the best mario game on the internet.
>>78230698
Even the youngest millenials are at least 26 years old. They aren't children.
>>78230428
Who would want to bring a child into a world in flames?
>WW3 soon
>Muslims conquering Europe
>USA 60% white and dropping
>Leftist indoctrination in schools
>Wife likely to divorce you
>Mental illnesses are considered normal
>Automation will take jobs and these will be mass riots
>>78232073
kek
>>78231728
I can't. It's just not possible for me. No friends, no social skills, no confidence, ugly (women have called me that to my face before) no experience and at this point it's too late. My genes shouldn't be passed on.
60% women will cheat on you
50% of marriages fail so many don't want to take the chance of having a kid with some whore.
This society is becoming increasingly degenerate and anti white male unless that white male is gay.
Economy is shit and doesn't look good in the future for jobs.
People struggling cheque to cheque to barely eat and pay rent.
This is why immigration is so high, to keep consumerism up.
>>78231440
Yet they helped populate America. Maybe we are long overdue for another world war.
26 here, 3 long term gfs over the years. never wanted kids cause im too lazy to raise them. just lied to gfs and said eventually down the road when were like 30.
probably going to be single the rest of my life. either that or raise tyrones kid for him
>>78232080
I'm 21, what am I then?
>>78230428
They are all gays cucks and feminist turbosluts that need no men.
>>78232149
You're just in time to witness the suicide of Western Civilization.
>>78230428
I am, and I'm the only one that I know in my own friend circle.
That's the worst part. No one to share the excitement with, all my "friends" HATE children and I've been completely isolated because I can't drink and do drugs like a fucking degenerate.
>>78232149
Generation z
>>78232125
take a shower, get a haircut, fake some confidence, have talking points ready that normies like to talk about and you should be pretty much sweet.
>>78232132
this as well, all women are whores and cheat
>>78230428
i hate kids desu
>>78231871
Yeah because in poor countries kids=income
In rich countries kids=expenses
You can go to jail if you leave a 10 yo at home alone in the West
You're expected to beat your kids bloody if they don't do their many chores anywhere outside the West (including Eastern Europe)
There's a pattern there somewhere I'm sure
>>78230428
>wanting to milenials to have childrens
hahaha fuck no
this should be the end, good riddance boys
what generation are 20-25 years olds??
>>78232281
That's what ugly girls are for.
>>78232377
25 millennial
20 Gen Zombie
>>78232080
Mentally, they are. Spoiled, whiny, entitled little children of the worst kind.
>>78231722
This
>>78232281
I'm hygienic anyway. No idea what confidence is and socialising is hard enough for me without having to put on a persona. What do normies talk about? My normie tastes extend to sport.
>>78232445
aw sheeit
>>78232089
>WW3 soon
Children who survive wars are the most redpilled though.
>>78230428
>Why aren't millennials having children?
Cause in 33 years I haven't yet found a woman of similar age to me who is self confident, self reliant and self critical.
So I keep trying to make babies with my hand but it's not working.
>>78232590
anything but the stuff posted on /pol/
> One post by this ID
>>78232712
> burger still using autistic maymays
because when you have a baby it isn't about "me me me" anymore
>>78232317
Agreed, but I would also put some blame on the hedonist lifestyle the media has been celebrating. A life which runs from responsibility in favor of short-term endorphin bursts.
>>78230428
I'm fucking busy trying to save up for a shed or a storage container or maybe if i'm lucky a nice trailer ..........and youre talking about having kids !
>>78230428
They browsed /pol/ and don't want to bring children into this world.
>>78232876
>I'm fucking busy trying to save up for a shed
I'm sure it's going to be a cuckshed, leaf.
two big reasons
one, i hate kids, just can't fucking tolerate to share the same air with them. i cant even explain or rationalize the hate. its just hate.
two
why would i bring a child into THIS fucked up world?!
what cruel fate to be raised and indoctrinated in this era. i wish it not unto anyone.
Because the world is shit, and we know it. What's the point of adding more people to the world? "To save the white race"? Who cares. We'll all be gone in 60 years anyway, and none of it will matter. I won't bring people into this world just to suffer.
>>78233159
8 years of Obama, 8 years of hillary, how does it feel?
>>78233243
This world is beautiful yet so grim. To keep from being too depressed I just block politics out for the most part. Just do what you enjoy.
>>78231342
>le niggers and spic rapists and crack dealers with 90000 kids meme
>>78233520
better than one minute of Trudeau.
>>78232641
If WW3 happens, the Western World won't stand a chance. We already lay down and get stepped on for everything.
>>78230428
>Why aren't millennials having children?
Isn't that the ideal scenario? They die off, with no progeny that will continue their retardation.
It's like you want them to multiply. Like cancer.
>>78230428
Self entitled special snowflakes who would rather fuck whoever they want and spend money on themselves.
Along with the reasons in >>78230696
>>78231440
"The Onward March of the Young Fogey"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36517857
Apparently, millennials are indeed more clean-living and sensible than their forebears.
Unfortunately, they were mollycoddled by their helicopter parents, not given enough freedom to just go out and play unsupervised because muh paedos 'n' shit.
I'd like to be optimistic about their generation, but they seem to be... "safer". Less capable of independent thought, less adventurous, less brave. Weak would be a good overall description.
Good thing not many students bother to vote, or Brexit would have no hope at all.
>>78230428
I have a son due in August. Girlfriend is on board with a Trump onesie. I feel guilty though, raising him in a world full of lunacy.
>>78230428
I don't see any point in having a child.
It just seems like an unnecessary expense that would give a woman a great deal of financial control over me.
>>78230428
I was in the 5th grade on 9/11. The 90's are only a distant memory. I have only ever known war and terror. I can't even imagine wanting to have a child.
>>78232080
I'm 23 wtf am I then?
>>78233778
marry her now
>>78230698
second post, best post
also, i am a permavirgin who doesn't talk to girls
>>78230428
I can't afford a house
Maybe if I moved out to bumfuck Wyoming I could but then is be unemployed
>>78230428
>Why aren't millennials doing X
The answer is always they are too broke to do it
>>78232281
NORMIES GET OFF MY BOARD, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>78231616
The problem is you view women as basically a different species that you can't understand or talk to. If you really think you'll die a virgin, just stop giving a fuck and talk to them like you would any normal guy. Over time, you'll begin to see subtle ways girls communicate differently than guys but for now just talk to them like a dude. Honestly, it's your own vanity that keeps you from doing this.
Source: I fucked a high test Spanish chick 2 hours ago.
Footnote: The condom broke and now I l'm scrounging for $40 for an Aftera.
>>78231440
This much Fedora
Fucking hell
>>78233705
>spend money on themselves.
If I didn't have to pay into your ponzi scheme retirement fund I could afford to buy children.
>>78234209
We have a shit existence brother
>>78234500
Uhh... I don't think you understand the fedora meme there, kiddo.
>>78233778
>having a kid with a girlfriend
top degenerate
kill yourself before your son has to deal with a cuck father
>>78232136
yah and half the kids were raised by cuck fathers and the other half were raised by single mothers. How great
1.) Feminist Chimeras have plagued the majority of women and made them in to entitled spiteful STD cum dumps who I have no respect for.
2.) I have no useful skills to pass on to my children since my parents and the rest of Boomer generation decided to not communicate with their children and teach them anything. So now we're severely indebted to the government and basically have no hope of being out of debt until we're 50
3.) Job market is declining severely for Trade Jobs and STEM Jobs and all jobs
4.) Boomers have left SS and National Debt in fucking crapper.
5.) Inflation has become an ugly demon and Illegal Immigration is not helping.
6.) We're nearing the end times and on the brink of WW3
>>78230428
Most of our parents were on drugs, fucked, and then reluctantly got married because they felt like they had to.
Then our single mom had to grow up and get a job and struggle to take care of us.
Would you have children after being a child who experienced that life first hand?
>>78234500
sure is summer in here
>>78234185
a millennial
Australia either doesn't know what he's talking about or is shitposting
>>78230428
>narcissistic generation
>everyone wants "the life"
>mass harem
>etc...
>>78233597
>Truedope *cough*
>>78232281
JUST BE YOUR SELF BRO
I simply cannot afford to.
Work ethic meens nothing, its who you know nowadays.
Companies pay extremely low, entry level jobs are at "12$"/hr but (((not minimum wage!))). Atleast in my experience every job seems to use the carrot on a stick stance in wages. Good goy! work here for 10 years and you will finally make the bare minimum to put a roof over your head!
Even the employers that make a large profit and can afford to pay employees fair wages do not do so, because high profit margins and we are replaceable.
I'm 22 years old, not sure if I am a millennial but I have been working since I was 16.
White, black, hispanic, asian in the U.S. are all below replacement level. No idea about illegals but every legal citizen in America is not replacing.
The economic system in the West is completely broken.
>>78234841
Yeah ok. I'll keep pumping out FUCKING WHITE MALES and you keep being a hugless virgin
can't get a gf
1.5 trillion in student debt, 1 trillion in auto debt, 9.5 trillion in mortgage debt. There is 1 job for every immigrant that comes in, the ones that do find jobs go in debt, the ones that dont go on welfare.
We are totally fucked.
>>78237722
1 job for every 2 immigrants.
>>78237138
This
Problem lies with the economy.
Fix the economy and encourage growth and people will be able to have kids and properly care for them, but atop that we also have a major family fragmentation problem in the west. More people are having out of wedlock children than ever before. It's a disaster for society as we all foot the bill for their irresponsibility.
there literally all faggots
I say we take to space. Colonies, be they natural or artificial - all to further mankind's reach as far out into these great cosmos as we can possibly go. The earth's time is soon to end, why waste our last breaths on a planet that's dying? We can preserve mankind's reign if we take to greater pastures.
>>78230428
Because young women make as much money as young men now, but they can still take the kids and force their boyfriend to pay child support 90% of the time
Jesus fuck why do I even have to say this, why are you all such fucking retarded cucks
Shit senpai, I just don't have the money or time for it, but like 70% of my classmates have at least one or two kids now, and I'm 24.
We are headed for a complete break down of society. Its usury that is destroying us. War is coming people, this can only go on for so long until complete collapse.
So many people cant pay debt, the gov cant pay out their debt, people come into the West and stop breeding because of debt.
>>78237793
>More people are having out of wedlock children than ever before.
That's good thing you fucking dumbass christfag. Marriage does nothing but give women an incentive to leave you. Holy fuck you people are fucking dumb and pathetic
Its always the economy, dont blame sjws, women or men. Its the ECONOMY AND DEBT.
>>78237793
2 kids and had them out of wedlock, but, we've agreed getting married in this economy is a waste of money is why.
Work fourteen hours a day, seven days a week, to pay for rent, car, food, and have a slim bit of savings to hold onto for when something inevitably fucks up and needs fixed but maybe in two years will have enough to coast a few months on 'part-time' of one morning job while going to a technical school in the evening instead of another job to learn cnc machining and welding - if inflation doesn't fuck my rent and food and the school doesn't slap another couple thousand onto their prices because why not go into more debt fuckers its the only way out of the hell pit goyim.
To have a child now is to have no hope to be anything but screaming into the void for the next twenty years before I kill myself and the kid would be raised in poverty.
>>78238339
The low birth rates correlate with feminism, not the economy you fucking idiots holy shit, everyone has more kids when they're poor if they aren't fucking enslaving men just for getting fucking laid
Hurr correlation equals causation or else that might mean uncucking ourselves
Fucking dumbasses
>>78234462
How is it vanity? That implies I'm arrogant or have standards. I don't, I'm just totally useless and hate myself. And I'm not good at interacting with guys either. How can I understand women when I've barely had experience with them? I didn't want to be this way, just how life has put me
>>78233568
>implying
I just saw some nignog on the news today that has 10 children and 26 grandchildren.
The news story was that he was being released from prison because Obongo commuted his sentence.
His sentence for drug charges.
>>78230698
/thread
>>78232712
how do you check this in 4chanX?
>>78233195
home-school them then. The government intentionally makes homeschooling seem difficult or impractical, but in practice you just read through the books you get for them every night and then give them a test every now and again
>>78230428
They all look like this.
>>78238793
Women are simple, they're just like George costanza from Seinfeld, they just lie to themselves constantly to try and take as much from the world and everyone as possible with as little guilt as possible
That's how you write the worst character ever, make a male who has all the most feminine characteristics
>>78238299
Co-habitate long enough and you have a common law marriage anyway, with all the legal responsibility a regular marriage entails.
What does /pol/ thing of Gen X and Gen-Z?
they hardly seem mentioned around here.
imo, gen-z might be a minor right shift (not much, but something) from the mess that was millennials, many are growing up watching the SJW shitfest, and if /v/ and /b/ are as young as straw-polls have shown them to be (and don't act like those places aren't half a step away from normies) then I might be right.
>>78239804
Except no I don't live in a fucking retarded commie state with those laws
and anybody who does should kill themselves if they can't get out
I'm not joking, unless you don't mind dying alone. How the fuck do you people even allow this? Isn't it like fucking half of all states in the US and the entirety of Canada?
>>78239792
I don't want to be cynical about women anon, but... idk at this point. Society just makes my head spin.
Not trying to victimize us but its mostly because economics.
2008 collapse happened when we were in college or high school. Sure there's been a "recovery" but that's because alot of other reasons. Wages remain low, prices high, and full time employment continues to bottom out with more and more temp jobs occurring
Most of my friends want to be adults but just don't have the means to right now. Even the ones with fires under their asses are either continuing education or working to move up in a company that will take just as long a time.
You can see it in the sudden surge of entrepreneurship over the past few years, people are looking for alternative means.
Its a lot of other stuff, but the world we grew up in was just not condusive to childbearing
>>78230696
I just want my own money to use as I please. I don't trust nor expect a man to give me all the money I want freely no strings attached, no bitching, no complaining and most importantly no denying me anything.
>>78230428
Because they have created so many genders they can't find a match.
Mfw I'm on OK Cupid and I can't find another poly-homophobic-racist- halfcaf-decaf whiped-vegan-cream+dream
>>78232317
The reason is that in the east your children are your property, but in the west they are the state's property.
>>78241790
And this is why men don't like women much anymore
>>78240516
>You can see it in the sudden surge of entrepreneurship over the past few years
What are you talking about?
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21695392-big-firms-united-states-have-never-had-it-so-good-time-more-competition-problem
>the rate of small-company creation in America has been running at its lowest levels since the 1970s
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2015/02/12/the-decline-of-american-entrepreneurship-in-five-charts/
>the rate of business formation by Americans ages 20 to 34 has fallen sharply since 2010, and millennials aren’t starting nearly as many new enterprises today as baby boomers were creating when they were the same age
>>78240516
Thank you.
We we're taught to establish ourselves in the economy with a good salary before having kids. Problem is, securing a decent career and income will take a very long time for the majority of us whom aren't we'll connected.
>>78230696
Guess we just have to have faith in the few millennial age people who haven't bought into this bullshit
>>78242548
If men don't like women anymore because some women don't want to be slaves, but rather want financial freedom and security, then men are evil and deserve to die.
>>78243326
Women no longer want to be slaves to decency and good morals, so men are the evil ones?
A life of suffocating obedience is better than that.
>>78234142
Your grandpa has only ever known war and terror, I bet he had to actually go to war.
>>78244733
>making a woman suffer
>"""decency and good morals"""
Making someone suffer because you're an evil piece shit that wants to deny women the natural right to determine one's own life and destiny and not be oppressed is neither decent or moral, let alone good.
>a life of suffocating obedience
Is disgusting and will be fought against.
>>78244733
>suffocating
How is something that sounds and seems like it's like killing you (and likely is) better than anything, especially a free happy life?
>>78230428
>tfw healthy boy growing up
>"Anon, you should become a vegan and save the animals"
>Become vegan
>"Hey anon, you should try on this dress, and break gender norms"
>Become transgender
>tfw can't have kids because too much soy milk, and tying rubber bands around my ballsack.
>Muh career
>muh feminism
>muh perpetual adolescence
>muh tinder
I'm 27, married with a kid. I know one person my age with a kid. EVERYONE else either doesn't want kids ever or hasn't even thought about it because they are too caught up sleeping around.
>>78230428
Millennials can't afford fucking houses what makes you think it'd be a good idea to start popping out babies.
>>78230428
expensive
loss of freedom
high risk of losing half of your shit and having alimony leash for up to 26 years if you're male
most of women are not family based anymore
etc
In shorts it's simply just bad deal if you're man, I know personally too many men from work who got fucked over either by marriage, kids or both.
>>78230428
>I'm 24
>Good degree
>Good job
>Save my money
>Not had a gf in years
>Only hobby is reading and my bike.
>Still can't afford a house for at least 2 more years.
I've been saving ever since I finished university. What hope do you think I have of having a child in the next few years?
>>78230428
because they're "me-centric".
because they're irresponsible and they know it.
because they can't even afford housing, much less diapers.
They are breaking the cycle of abuse.
because they are selfish faggots who may never become adults.
>>78251141
Someone's butthurt
Because its fucking expensive to have kids and I'd rather enjoy life while I'm young. If I'm gonna have a kid its gonna be when I know I can afford it and take care of them.
>>78232136
Why do people assume that world wars are what controls population? Its obviously illness, the pig flu was supposed to kill millions, but they found a cure for it and it didnt.
The same happened for the ebola virus, it was quickly quarantined and hence failed in controlling the human population.
So mother nature decided to be a mean bitch and has now sent mankind the zika virus so people stop fucking like rabbits and shitting out children
>>78230428
>1 post by this ID
Pasta Slide thread
Saged, reported and hidden
Because it would be racist you bigot. Why have children when you can import niggers to have children you fascist fuck reeeeeeeeeeeee
>>78230428
because I'm beta
there, I said it.
>>78242548
>I want freely no strings attached, no bitching, no complaining and most importantly no denying me anything.
This sentence is how most women feel, and is also why you shouldn't marry a woman. The millisecond you try to hold a woman accountable for her actions, she complains, deflects, and attacks. I've seen it happen with women of all ages in the workplace and in personal life. My ex-wife was the same way. It all boils down to this line:
>and most importantly no denying me anything.
female happiness > male happiness
female bottom line > male bottom line
why the fuck would any man want to sign away 1/2 his fortunes on someone who feels that way? It's disgusting.
>>78247896
> I want the freedom to never be held accountable to my hedonistic actions
This is what women don't seem to understand, without the guidance of a strong man they descend into aimless hedonism.
Submission and dominance are of the natural order. This whole farce of equality will only lead to pain and confusion among the sexes.
can't fucking afford them, also no cute wife
>>78230696
>no more loving wife; you now have a feminist who works the same hours at some secretary job.
Love is for manchildren and women.
>no more obedient children; cant discipline them. Cant teach them right from wrong.
You can, but not as stupidly as before.
>no factory job that can support you, your wife, and 3 children. Now you work ludiscrous hours if you even want to have a house
Even if you are too poor/unlucky/dumb/lazy to prosper economically, having two salaries helps.
>house prices have not stayed in line with the average wage
And they never will, renting houses is a nice business/inversion.
>>78230428
I can't and won't have children because I'm severely mentally ill.
Why bring a life into this already shitty world when you know you're gonna fuck it up?
Fuck, why even have kids? There's too many of the damn things on this overcrowded planet now. Just adopt.
My siblings have children and it just seems awful. Their kids are all disgusting little morons that are just boring as shit to be around.
>>78237352
>hispanic
>below replacement level
literally what. They breed far more than black people, that's for sure.
>>78230428
Because previous generation stolen and ruined everything.
>>78230428
Having children violates the Non-Aggression Principle.
>>78254719
>aimless hedonism
Wanting to live your life happily and fulfilled is neither aimless nor hedonism, it is the purpose of one's life. Only the individual can decide what makes them happy and fulfilled as only the individual can live her own life, you cannot live the life of others. People can make compromises if the deal is good but forcing others to a life they hate because you can't stand others' freedom and happiness is plain immoral and evil.
>>78230428
>He fell for the dating and reproducing meme
>>78257269
If you agree to be with your partner, committing yourself to your partner should not be something you hate.
If commitment is slavery, I guess your free, but so are most men now as well.
Reciprocity is appreciated in most things.
>>78257269
If your happiness or fulfillment is reliant on the following condition with your male partners:
>I want freely no strings attached, no bitching, no complaining and most importantly no denying me anything.
Then it seems it would be damn near the definition of hedonism (and those are your words)
All I want to do is have a nice house with a white picket fence, have a loving wife and a couple of kids. The idea seemed so nice in the old movies and tv shows. But in reality, hope is the only thing that keeps the gun out of my mouth.
Is there hope, /pol/?
>>78257269
>it is the purpose of one's life.
Live has no purpose, it's a variable.
>People can make compromises if the deal is good
>deal
Marriage is dead, it should be a symbolical union, not some business or legal contract.
Stop arguing, they'll never understand you.
children cost money
I want to spend the money on what I want, not some needy organism that keeps me awake all the time
people who have kids come to regret it, even if they don't express it verbally. they're idiots
also school is a brainwashing facility that you inevitably have to send your child to unless you've got free time for home schooling or you live on some awesome new agey farm community
everyone is stupid.. they want to enjoy life so they have children? how do those things correlate at all? only increases your own burden of responsibility. and how long does that responsibility last? until you're fucking dead.
work a job and pay for yourself and watch the apocalypse slowly unfold like intelligent people
>>78254703
>accountabe for her actions
That implies you think one's actions are bad. They are not; I spend the money I earn for anything that is good for me, and you denying me those things that are good and bring me joy is what is bad and what YOU should be held accountable for.
>>78257858
Entering a relationship is a partnership. If you think that anything you do is not considered "bad" because they are your action, and your actions are always good, because they are YOUR actions, then you're just being whacky.
>>78257756
Unless you've got a really good job, good luck affording that house.
Also good luck with that >marriage
Enjoy the divorce too!
>marriage
>>78230428
>Making the last years of your life living hell
>>78258004
What if the partner just doesn't want to have a kid as well?
Why are you bringing this up in the first place?
Statistically speaking, love starts dying off in most relationships after 5 or so years. That's just how most humans are.
I love how Japan is becoming a real life Children of Men
>>78230428
Women standards for men have risen. A lot.
>>78257858
>That implies you think one's actions are bad.
Well, are all of your actions good?
Is cheating on your partner good?
>They are not
Thanks for the clarification.
>I spend the money I earn for anything that is good for me, and you denying me those things that are good and bring me joy is what is bad
Is there anything that brings you joy that hurts your husband? I'm sure there are, I don't see what's wrong with your husband not wanting that.
Same thing for your husband. Even if something makes your husband happy, if it does so at the expense of you, he shouldn't do it.
This is where compromise comes into play. And no, compromise isn't
>I get what I want
>and you can fuck off if I don't get what I want
The chances of meeting a woman who will actually love you, never cheat on you, never use her children as weapons, never threaten to divorce you and ruin your life are not good. I saw it happen to my father. I grew up in a broken home. Never again will I even entertain the idea of a happy family. This country has put pussy on a pedestal in such a way that you'd have to be a madman to marry and have kids. Women hold all the power in the relationship and they know it. Give them any reason and they will ruin your life. This is the reason why people aren't getting married and having kids. The only intelligent move is to not play. I'm not saying good men and women don't exist. Of course they do. But mathematically the odds are against you.
>>78258218
If both partners dont want a kid, there should be no reason to. There shouldn't be a reason to have kids if just one partner doesn't want kids.
It's possible I misconstrued Bulgaria's original statement
>I just want my own money to use as I please. I don't trust nor expect a man to give me all the money I want freely no strings attached, no bitching, no complaining and most importantly no denying me anything.
Idk, maybe i'm tired, I'll need some more clarity on Bulgaria's part to figure out what they meant towards the middle of the sentence, is it supposed to be the same thought or grammar error 2 sep thoughts?
>>78230428
I cant even afford to have a girlfriend.
>>78231611
SAVAGE AF
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They are, just not with white men.
>>78258466
This is more or less what I was driving at as well. Going into a relationship/partnership with someone with the expectation that they must always cater to your whims, and you don't have to cater to theirs, just because, then it's hedonism.
>>78258505
Happy marriages are a meme, always were. Both men and women cheat. Women are just more likely to cheat when they're younger and still in their biological prime, hence so many complaints about women being cheating wars, since the average of a 4channer is an 17-20 something gen Zombie or Millenial. Men cheat or divorce when they get older.
Biologically speaking, most humans just aren't cut for long, monogamous relationships. The 7-year itch term exists for a reason. Hell, it's more like 4-year itch now, give or take the newer findings and evidence.
>>78255728
if you like living like a pig it might be comfy but if you have aspirations for yourself it's cocks
They're afraid of divorce and possibly getting tired of either their partners or the child.
I've seen women get skeptical thinking they may get bored down the line.
>>78230428
Millenials were brainwashed into thinking you need money to put benis into bagina.
>>78258685
>>78233568
Because it's true, gringo
>>78230428
>>78231813
The is no hope. Equality... with benefits!
>>78258952
The idea of a society without population control is idiotic. Societies below 2.1 childrean per couple are doomed.
>>78230428
If polls are to go by more than half of use are faggots or bisexual and some other significant margin are just not stupid enough to fall for it.
>>78259278
So are societies suffering from overpopulation, ever heard of John C. Calhoun's behavioral sink experiment?
The only difference is that societies with low numbers will slowly die out and "blend" with the remaining rest of the world.
While the rest of the world undergoes a literal apocalyptic event due to overpopulation.
>>78259278
Population control is keeping population down, anon.
>>78258004
That is why you only start a serious partnership with people whose views and values are aligned with yours and ignore everyone else. A woman needs to be independent though to ensure that and that she is not forced to accept a relationship she is not satisfied with because she is not allowed to live her life otherwise.
Because I grew up believing that you must have a sustainable lifestyle if you want to have kids.
And I simply don't have the finances for that nor can I find a woman.
Meanwhile some somalian family is pooping out new kids every month leeching off of welfare and I can't even call them out for the burden on society that they are.
>>78259868
Except people's values, views and relationships change over time.
Nothing is stable, nothing is perfect. Serious relationships often don't last long 50% of the time now either way, regardless of how committed you and your partner are intitially.
>>78259868
So let's say there is a couple who are satisfied in the beginning, but for whatever reason, hell maybe just the relationship getting a little chilly, the woman does not find herself satisfied. Should she just walk the fuck out? That sounds like what you're saying.
Is it the same for a guy? Do you approve of pump-and-dump? What if a guy goes from wife to wife, leaving the moment things start to look down?
It honestly sounds like a relationship is nothing more than a sort of joke, in that it stops existing when the fun is over.
child support sucks . who wants to pay that? divorces are to common as well
>>78259868
I understand that, but even if you find a person who agrees with
>>I want freely no strings attached, no bitching, no complaining and most importantly no denying me anything.
and lets you walk all over them because that's what they want, you're still being hedonistic as it's entirely self-serving. I agree that women (and men as well) should be independent prior to committing, but it's incredibly unrealistic to expect people to stay independent during an agreed union of 2 people's lives, money, etc. At which point, being independent will become destructive to the relationship for nothing other than hedonism.
>>78230428
Because children are a massive waste of time and money, why would they have them? Also, who in their right mind would breed with an SJW feminazi? It probably wouldn't even be possible in the first place because they'd just think it's rape and have you arrested.
I was born in 1998, I don't need fucking kids. I'm still in high school and live with my parents lol
>>78260747
>who in their right mind would breed with an SJW feminazi
A Swede or Germ would.
>>78260747
I like that the woman with kids is fat.
>>78230428
Most of us believe WWIII is inevitable in our lifetime and dont feel like bringing children into a world doomed to nuclear holocaust.
>>78260842
They're not in their right mind though.
>>78261050
No, they are.
There's no going back for them.
>>78230428
Because i'm 21 you fucking retard.
Also because i'm a kv
>>78261143
The notion that that is probably true makes me incredibly depressed. The German people are truly some of the most ingenious and resilient people on Earth (or at least, they used to be). WW2 post war propaganda was white guilt on crack for them it seems.
>>78260747
>Traveling the world
>following your dreams
Aka fucking chad in every country until you're 40, alone, and wondering where all the good men are. After maybe 3 or 4 years of dating around but not finding anyone who will put up with you long enough, you decide to
embrace your inner sexual goddess" and become a slut once again. You go around fucking random guys, the whole time lying to yourself that you're a free and liberated woman, and this is what you really want. At about 50 you have a meltdown after realizing you can't have children anymore and that theres nobody that will be by your side as you get older. Usually at this point you settle for ANYTHING that can look at your naked sagging body without throwing up. You then live out the rest of your days bitter and lonely on the inside.
Yeah sounds a lot better than having kids.
>>78230696
It's too early in the morning for these feels, I've already got the dread of remain probably winning
>>78261345
you sound pretty
>bitter and lonely on the inside
too
>>78256687
beaners who are second generation not first tend to not have kids at all
>>78261621
He'll get over it.
You won't.
>>78261839
I got over it long, long time ago :>)
>>78230428
The girls I know are either smart and interesting but ugly af, or hella dumb but pretty whores. Also the world is going to shit if you haven't noticed, so that's why
>>78230428
the institution of marriage has been destroyed
>>78262023
more like self-destructed
>>78261894
I guess one gets accustomed to loneliness living in an arctic wasteland.
Is it true that you only drink vodka?
confluence of factors
>dead, meaningless culture
>degenerate, demoralizing media apparatus
>society is now matriarchal, which is antithetical to the family unit
>economy is shit
>millennials are hormonal fucked up due to decades-long barrage of weird chemicals, radiation, and modern medicine
>>78262133
no, purposefully destroyed by elites, and the masses brain-washed into thinking they've liberated women
As a man in the west, if you have a child, it's almost a given that you're going to be hit hard financially. That could be simply paying for child rearing necessities, or child care. It could be your wife divorcing you and you paying alimony + child support. But pretty much every way you cut it, if you're a man, a child will cost you a lot. And since we live in the age of the double standard where women want everything but also don't want to pay for it, you're going to be the one footing the bill. There's no escaping the money loss for 18+ years if you have a kid. Our generation is already saddled with student loan debt, to ask a man to get into an agreement that can so easily fuck over his remaining money is something that might have worked on the premise of pussy power alone, but about 1/2 of the mil generation saw the bullshit of divorce + fallout of divorce. You can try to dress marriage up, but it won't fool the scarred little kids who grew up around that shit.
Fortunately for me, my parents never divorced, but I have only heard every child of divorced parents mention horrible things about the divorce, so it obviously is impacting the decision-making process.
>>78230428
Because they are children
/thread
>>78261345
So, how is having kids going to make you less miserable? You'll have waste thousands of dollars and torture yourself for the next 18 years, and after all that, your kid could still turn out to be some kind of SJW feminist, criminal, muslim, homeless or an autist like Chris-chan. If it’s about loneliness, then you can just have a relationship without having kids, you retard. And if you're so concerned about having kids that you'd have a meltdown otherwise, then you're retarded, plus you can just donate to a sperm bank. Raising kids is a complete waste of time and money though.
>>78262023
Wouldn't have been possible without complacency and indulgence of the masses.
>>78262582
Honestly, children suck for women too. Fucks up your body and thus mind. Now you have to take care of a screaming shitcake for 3 years. The list goes on.
The only real reason is biological drive, and we have plenty of things to distract from that.
Back in the day, having a child was like getting insurance. Fast forward to modern time and there is literally no incentive to have kids.
Only emotion.
>>78230428
>having children
>actually allowing a woman to steal your money on a monthly basis to pay for things she wants while the government feeds and houses your child who will never respect you
fix the court systems so that i dont get fucked if i even consider making a woman or child a permanent part of my life and ill gladly pop out half a dozen or more.
>>78230428
Millennials are children.
>>78230428
I can't speak for others, but personally I just don't really care about pursuing women. I'd rather focus on my personal development. I want to get to the point that even if I fail to reproduce and pass on my genes, I can still influence future generations by leaving my mark on culture.
GO HOME TO YOUR SEXY WIVES
GO HOME TO YOUR SEXY WIVES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqIsGsNxSY
i think this may be relevant. it sums a lot of the reasons up for me
>>78261345
>At about 50 you have a meltdown after realizing you can't have children anymore and that theres nobody that will be by your side as you get older.
lmao he actually believes this.
I worked at a home for a few years and trust me, most of the west does not give a fuck about its parents. Once they start getting old, let alone senile - then it's time for the home.
The point is, most people aren't going to give a fuck about you if you start becoming an annoyance. Even your own children. And old people usually are. Simple as that.
>>78263763
Didn't you just agree with him?
>>78258466
>Well, are all of your actions good?
Yes.
Is cheating on your partner good?
No, but if my partner is not good for me (as that's for me to decide) I should be able to break free from him for my own goo
>Thanks for the clarification
Don't make up shit I never said.
>Is there anything that brings you joy that hurts your husband?
When I started dating the man I'm dating I told him clear what are my dreams, my aspirations and my ambitions, as well as what I love and hold dear. I told him if he was not willing to accept those things then I did not want to be with him. I do not care if it hurts him; not having and doing my things hurts me, I did want a man who refused to accept that, and if he ever comes to not like his situation anymore he is free to walk away anytime, but he has no right to rob me of what I love. A man who does that is a man who does not love me and I do not want a man who does not love me.
>I'm sure there are, I don't see what's wrong with your husband not wanting that.
It makes me unhappy. I do not want a piece of shit man who wants to make me miserable, he can find someone else.
>Same thing for your husband. Even if something makes your husband happy, if it does so at the expense of you
I'm fine with what he does. Other men I hand out with and whom I was not happy with what they did, I erased them for my existence as we were clearly incompatible. That's why no one should be stupid enough to rush into marriage, you should date and you should live together first to see if you're really compatible, then you can move to marriage.
>This is where compromise comes into play
Compromises on unacceptabls things can and should be rejected. One should always look for the best deal. Why should I be forced to a compromise I do not want to accept? I always thought if a man doesn't like me he can fuck off and go bother someone else, and that's granted me good life.
>>78260747
Thanks for the pep talk, Sweden.
Keep on cucking.
I couldn't possibly afford it. I've been working for a year straight, and due to various expenses all I've saved is around 40000 nok, which is about 4000 usd.
If I had to actually pay for a child, I would have no money at all.
>>78264036
*good
*did not want a man who refused to accept
*hang out with
*from my existence
*Unacceptable
Apologies for the typos, I type faster than my phone can handle.
>>78262923
Having children doesnt suck for women
They get to choose between having you support them with your balls in the vice grip of the legal system, or just clamping that vice grip down all the way and taking half his shit while going to fuck a new guy
I was roommates with a chick who did this with her husband even though she had a new boyfriend who was paying for everything for her. She was taking all his money out of his account, even though he earned it by fucking crippling himself in the fucking military, and cant fucking walk now. She reasoned that its perfectly fine because its legal. His dad started threatening to come to our fucking house with a gun, because they had no other fucking choice.
Because future is a war, famine, downfall of civilization, barbarism, tyranny and anarchy.
Who in his right mind would bring his child into this dark place?
>>78232317
>poor countries kids=income
>In rich countries kids=expenses
Bringing up the children right allows the parents to reap benefits in the future.
>Children are investments for the future: for the child itself, for the parents, and for society.
>>78264264
>UK
>Telling anyone to "keep on cucking".
Kek.
I wouldnt want any of these fucking faggots breeding! This generation has grown in me an extreme misanthropia that makes pray for a children of men scenario. Humanity failed, nobody gives a shit about space travel anymore and instead everyones talking about which pansexual pikachu they want to evolve into. Im done. Pull the plug. God help any child who lives into the 2100's.
>>78260682
>it's incredibly unrealistic to expect people to stay independent during an agreed union
Depends on the terms said union was agreed on.
>>78263763
>The point is, most people aren't going to give a fuck about you if you start becoming an annoyance. Even your own children. And old people usually are. Simple as that.
How does this keep on happening in the (mostly) West anyway?
Before the age of social security and homes, the elderly usually go with one of the children or at least some relative.
Isn't it usually a money-saver instead of being in a home?
>>78259565
>ever heard of John C. Calhoun's behavioral sink experiment?
>Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption.
>He characterized the social breakdown as a “spiritual death”,
>>78230428
>Owning an apartment in the center of my city
>My job makes me comfy. I'm not rich but i can go through a month without struggling
>55' ultra hd tv and playstation4 in my living room
>Pub where I meet with friends literally 3 mins of walking from my apartment
>No woman screaming with her fake problems around, friends come to my house on saturdays for a night with beers and videogames
Sorry, give me one good argument why I should throw away my actual life and share my space with a bitch. Not to mention why in the hell I should make a baby that is basically a walking-at least 20 years long-mortgage.
