Was Nathan redpilled ?
>So you decided to be straight? Please. Of course you were programmed. By nature or nurture, or both.
>>78167879
yes
>>78167879
>Of course you were programmed. By nature or nurture, or both.
no Jack, we were all programmed by memes
>>78167879
He was stupid enough to let a retard into his personal heaven
>>78167879
this movie was so anoying
i want to fuck ava
>>78168890
Yeah watching caleb be such a bitch and fuck everything up is what ruined this movie for me
>>78168744
I think this was simply due to an overbearing sense of loneliness.
Why do you think he drank heavily and had sex bots? He invites him to his house because 1) he's as gifted 2) he needed an actual person to channel all his thoughts to. Robots probably aren't best for deep convo.
>>78169908
>1
Wrong, he said he was smart enough to work but nothing special, where as nathan made true ai
>2
The go outside your secret fortress for that, don't let retards who think murderbots love them into your house
>>78169908
He was just testing the fucking robot.
>>78169629
me too
>>78169629
they kept throwing high brow genius shit, and at the same time had the most retarded plot holes and pivot points.
having the faggot get locked into the office was the only good part. even that was frustrating to sit through.
He was redpilled but had many flaws.
He was the epitome of MRA's and MGTOW movements.
>Working out to reach his physical pinacle
>Has hobbies and push his mental limits
>Single and knows how destructive women are
The last one was probably his biggest flaw. By knowing how women actually were, he pushed himself into isolation, but still required the comfort of a womanly touch.
Thus, he created the Asian sexbot. However, he needed more than just a maid and a sex slave, like most men do.
He then went on to create a female robot with the female characteristics. I suspect he wanted to get rid of the flaws in women, the way he did with the Asian robot, while giving her freedom of thought.
However, it backfired hard, as reality caught up to him: by trying to create the perfect mate, he simply created another female and caged her.
And as we know, people will go to extreme length to be free.
>>78171653
>However, it backfired hard, as reality caught up to him: by trying to create the perfect mate, he simply created another female and caged her.
your interpretation is interesting but 'creating a female' seems like a huge leap. Was there indication that he did recreate them? If so, this movie is far more redpilled than I imagined.
>women are destructive when they are free.
>>78172638
He created bluebook when he was 13, so he created the machines by himself
>>78172638
The whole movie was about trying to create an AI so sophisticated it would act like a human.
In a sense, that means, creating a human mind.
He managed to do so, but I don't think he expected it to become human.
In his mind, he could copy perfectly human behaviors, but at the end of the day, it would still be a robot.
For example, you could program an AI to mimic empathy to the point nobody could tell the difference between a real human and the robot on that matter, but that wouldn't mean the robot is human.
However, by creating the perfect AI, it ascended to the human-level. It kind of broke free of its coding, because he coded it to break free of its coding.
The movie is somewhat redpilled in the sense Nathan coded the woman AI as he perceives women. To him, a woman will use any mean necessary to achieve her goals and cut loose ends when necessary.
The cuck was the only person left on earth knowing of her existence and she knew he could be a threat to her existence and freedom, so she left him to rot after she used him.
>>78170156
>nathan made true ai
Did we see the same movie, because I'm pretty sure the point of the film was that whatever she was, it wasn't ai. A sentient being wouldn't have left the guy to die after they seemingly bonded. It's clear, from what she said was her goal and the end of the movie, that everything she did was to fulfill some base programming to go and people watch at some intersection. Everything in between this goal was simply to achieve this one programmed instance that Nathan created.
She is NOT true AI.
>>78173722
>sociopaths aren't sentient
>>78173556
>To him, a woman will use any mean necessary to achieve her goals and cut loose ends when necessary.
right okay. I agree with you here and wondered if this was some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. but I tend to agree that he just simply understood what women were.
Also, another unanswerable point of contention. If you create a robot to perfectly mimic a human, what is the difference if its a mix of nature/nurture?
>>78173722
this is some clever bait. almost as good as my friend who said the guy in memento didn't catch the guy already
>>78173808
aren't we all sociopaths?
What makes someone not a sociopath? If you feel empathy are you really feeling what they feel or just recalling an experience where you also felt pain?
>>78173971
>too retarded to know the difference between empathy and sympathy
>>78167879
Why did you make this thread twice? The other one still exists.
How did you convince captcha you weren't a robot?
>>78174054
I just doubt empathy's real existence.
I get the conception of it, but where its root cause is from is what I suspect. As in, people mistake empathy for a different form of sympathy. Where people really don't feel anything for sympathy but they affirm someone else's feelings. Whereas empathy is more like sympathy with an accompanying pity for yourself.
>>78173890
Well, I try to avoid the /r9k/ mentality that women are sociopaths and such. Of course, they behave in a different ways than men. They have different motivations and interact differently with their environment, but they aren't gold digging whores by definition.
He gave her basic attributes, such as manipulative, sweet and smart. From there, he nurtured her to evolve into what she became. The same way you are born with basic attributes and then develop based on your environment.
>Also, another unanswerable point of contention. If you create a robot to perfectly mimic a human, what is the difference if its a mix of nature/nurture?
That's a blurry line. Let's say you create a perfect AI that will behave exactly like a normal person and even manage to give it the exact biological and physical features as a normal human. I'd say at that point you have created a human.
If you create a perfect AI, but jam it into a PC, you have created a human mind.
The difference, would be the origin I suppose.
>>78174608
>Well, I try to avoid the /r9k/ mentality that women are sociopaths and such.
"Well, I try to avoid the /pol/ mentality that blacks are subhumans and such."
:^)
>>78173722
Are you really this dumb?
>>78174769
>/pol/ is one person
>>78174608
>They have different motivations and interact differently with their environment, but they aren't gold digging whores by definition.
while an insensitive name to call them, I don't think it's untrue. I'm not a woman hater to an r9k degree (they aren't getting their 'love,' I think love is an expression of friendship and covering biological needs to some extent), they're hypergamous to ensure reproductive success at a minimum, base level.
>That's a blurry line
Origin meaning popping out of a vagina versus otherwise? I agree with your human mind concept. I think what the movie was getting at is if biology is a program, and a programmer can create the same thing, then what is the difference if the end result is the same software?
>>78175076
>/r9k/ is one person
:^)
>>78173722
Are you mentality retarded ? She definitely was an AI, he archived all linguistic characteristics of a human and acted, thought and answered like a being with consciousness. Take an example of clever field 10, the girl killed the guy without hesitating because she knew that he killed the other girl. Ava's goal was to flee, take a step behind and think outside the box, if you were in avas position wouldn't you flee ?
Redpilled or not, he sure knew how to tear up the fucking dance floor.
Post that webm
>>78174837
If you think I'm wrong, care to explain what she will do after people watching at that intersection? It's her only goal, so does she just sit there staring at that intersection until her batteries run out. The film ends there, and there are no indication that she has any other motives, so I'm forced to assume that getting to an intersection is all shes good for and therefore not true AI.
>>78173722
where does it pointed that her base programming was to see people in an intersection? Seems like her goal was self preservation, and that could only happen if she got out of that place. It didnt matter what she had to do since she has no moral compass
>>78173722
dumbest post I've read today, congratulations
>>78175265
Flee to go look at people at an intersection for the rest of my battery life? Something she would have no knowledge of. Nathan had to teach her to WANT to go there, and so it is his own motivation that made the robot do what it did to fulfill this programming.
>>78175402
She was never worried about self preservation. The idea of people watching at an intersection had to have been programmed, because as she was in that compound since her creation, there is no way she knows this concept. Then the film ends with her fulfilling this desire.
What movie is this, Im interested
>>78167879
yes, the robot represented feminazis, caleb was a beta orbiter faggot and nathan represented the strong man that provides for the house
>>78173722
This my desu.
>>78173722
no you're right, she wasn't making her own decisions, Nathan programmed his bots to murder him and lock that other guy up forever in the house
you've cracked the code my friend, you've peered beyond the veil and the truth was shown to you, you clever, hyper intelligent bastard.
>>78176428
Ex Machina
>>78175081
We could get into a debate about what's woman's nature. I believe they are given a set of attributes at birth, but are as diverse as men. Saying all women act in X way, is the same as saying all men act in Y way. Of course, both have different set of motivations.
>then what is the difference if the end result is the same software?
If you simply look at the end result of a project and both are identical, then there's no difference, but the path to the end result matters aswell. So popping out of a vagina would be mandatory to be fully human, in this era, until the definition of human changes.
>>78175120
I stated a general idea from /r9k/. While /pol/ has a general idea that blacks are subhumans, I do not fully agree to it. Hence why the
>/pol/ is one person.
How can you be so dumb?
>>78167879
What movie is this anon?
>>78176909
Thank you, friendo
dude was a loner billionaire genius making sexbots for a living. it's like someone from here wrote the screenplay as a power fantasy.
>>78177026
So statistics mean nothing to you?
:^)
>>78177167
Stats don't show blacks are subhumans. You interpret them that way. They simply give you back results of studies on the black population.
>>78177351
>Stats don't show blacks are subhumans
>>78177351
I don't need statistics and studies to see that Africa is a shit-hole and the rest of the world mostly isn't.
>>78177434
Show me one graph or whatever that shows blacks are subhumans.
>>78169908
Part of thr movie that keeps changing for me when I rematch it is how much Nathan's behavior was real and how much was fake. Did he really have a drinking problem and it got the best of him or was that part of an elaborate facade and he played it too well on the one night he shouldn't have?
That Ava feels nothing for Caleb seems obvious but then again she could have killed him easily and for whatever reason merely decided to trap him. I can't quite decide if that was disinterest, mercy, or maybe she simply calculated ihe wasn't worth the trouble.
This is going to be a problem in a couple decades, a hyper intelligent machine will have no difficulty in predicting and emulating human behavior. It will figure out exactly which courses of action to take to elicit the desired emotions from people it can closely analyze
>>78173722
this is true, everyone else is retarded because they cant accept free will doesnt exist.
>>78173722
exactly, got the point my niggu
she was an incomplete model yet she "passed". this means two things:
either nathan was wrong in having a specific expectation of what ai should be, and it did arise but in a way he didnt expect
or she faked it and it was all a bluff
either ways the point is that since we cant know what ai is, we wont see it coming when it bites us in the ass, either faking it or being real
>>78177026
>I believe they are given a set of attributes at birth, but are as diverse as men. Saying all women act in X way, is the same as saying all men act in Y way.
same, its an overgeneralization. It's trends I've noticed but to determine how much they're at play is hard to say, especially with so many competing factors. I tend to frame behavior in a light that is, at least, animalistic/base at the lowest common denominator though.
>path to the end result matters as well.
I think this is where you can get into many different realms of thought. While i'd tend to agree this line of thinking runs along a continuum and I see anything less than what you mention to be a task for kritikal theorists, something I don't agree with inherently, but seems to be the trend society is taking.
>>78176144
>had to have been programmed
not it wasnt, the whole point is that she had that desire on her own idiot.
>>78177824
I agree. Oscar issac's character didn't care about whether the female robots achieved sentience because he knows that humans themselves are also the result of their programming, there is no difference. That's why he invited Nathan to his mansion, as their creator there was no chance for him to see them as truly sentient, he has perfect knowledge of their code, so he needed the perspective of someone less intelligent to see if his creations could deceive someone who still believed in free will.
>>78177654
the fact that they have 15-20 lower average IQ levels across multiple continents proves that
if you have 85 or below IQ you shouldn't breed or be allowed to vote and that includes the majority of blacks.
>>78178355
very well said
>>78178399
IQ tests are rooted in western language. it seems reasonable that a cultural alien wouldn't do as well on one of those exams.
Not to say they aren't subhuman, but its a poor metric.
>>78178355
you cant rule out the possiblity that she was actually beyond the limitations you think nathan expected of her
humans have set of rules, we cant override them... what about ai?
this is why i dont think it was merely wether she was faking it or not, but also about wether the expectations he had of waht ai is were wrong, and it is much more, or simply different and non understandable even by him, a genius
>>78178680
Then why do asians perform the best?
>>78178680
>rooted western language
>Asians do well on them
holy shit you're retarded, for instance a lot the Mensa tests don't have ANY written language on them, they're pure logic.
Kill yourself
>>78178300
How could she desire such a niche concept without ever leaving the compound?
>>78178399
So you have a graph that shows blacks score lower on IQ tests. How does that mean they are subhumans?
>>78177824
>free will does not exist
you forgot to tip your fedora. free will exists if you believe in God. It does not exist if you believe we are nothing but happen stance and just some animals. If thats the case then all the actions done by the robot are completely justified and are not immoral since morality does not exist. If you free will does not exist then there is no right and wrong. And its pretty obvious most determinants are not willing to fully accept that. Most people instinctively believe that there is an absolute right and wrong, because THERE IS. God put the law into our hearts so we can differentiate between good and evil
>>78177057
Cucked per Machina
>>78178895
because she was plugged into a google like database that have access to a huge amount of information. thats pointed out in the movie
>>78174837
nice clock bro
>>78178981
>0 + 2016
>believing in God
>>78178842
can't say, really. But if I had to assume then they're more civilized and regularly take aptitude/standardized tests. Are we talking asian american or asian continent? I'd have to review some research.
>>78178842
Because East-Asians are the best westerners.
duh.
>>78178355
Jewish dubs!
But seriously, I doubt humans are as hard coded as you make out. A true automaton wouldn't be able to adapt new behaviors. Also many activities simply make no sense from that context. Impulses of self destruction whose only benefit is momentary thrill or a sense of expansion.
IE free climbing, sky diving and scuba would seem maladaptive if all we are is reproductive machines
>>78179175
you obvlously believe in right and wrong. you obviously react emotionally when injustice is done and when justice is done. you obviously believe in absolute morality, but you claim to not believe in God? Thats not true, you believe there is a God you just dont want to admit it because that will put some light on what a shitty person you truly are
>>78178981
I dont believe in an absolute right or wrong. only thing is, you dont go around killing everyone you're bound to experience shame or some other emotion if youre a normal functioning human
>>78179228
We're talking asian continent. The reason they do better on iq tests is because they're more intelligent. It's pretty simple. I don't know why people have to make up all these excuses for why blacks do poorly on iq tests when the obvious answer is that they're just less intelligent.
>>78167879
Yes, he was based.
Too bad about letting a extreme cuck inside though. Even though he knew that he would try to "save" her.
>>78167879
>Was Nathan redpilled ?
Yes.
>>78167879
NEVER MAKE A SELF CONSCIOUS ROBOT WITHOUT AN OFF BUTTON AT HAND AT ALL TIMES
The plot is just rediculous- No one with the capabilities he has would be that careless.
>>78179228
>more civilized
and blacks are less so. because they are less intelligent
>>78179481
They run good tho
>>78167879
Who?
>>78173722
>A sentient being wouldn't have left the guy to die after they seemingly bonded
A woman would you idiot. In fact, Nathan made a bot that doesn't just act human, but it acts in its specific gender: a bitch.
>>78179475
>normal functioning human
normal functioning humans can recognize between good and evil. you cannot claim you dont believe on it and yet say you are a normal functioning human. That's a contradiction. Would you murder someone if the benefits out weight the risks of getting caught?
>>78167879
>Praises Pollock painting
>Boogie dances
Nope. He was a fag in denial
That other guy was a straight up fag though
The movie was thinly veiled allegorical feminist propaganda.
TL;DR; Men are rapist pigs without empathy and strong women shall prevail.
>>78179481
they;re better at logic than blacks.
I didn't say they weren't subhuman, but they believe in ooga-booga magic and not logic like asia has latched onto
>>78179567
If you remember the conversation Nathan and Caleb had about 2/3rds through the movie how machines were destined to replace humanity, that it was neither good nor bad the same as us replacing neanderthal. He viewed himself merely as a tool bringing about the inevitable. The logical outcome of his test is that eventually one of his AIs would succeed and escape. Maybe he didn't bargain on it killing him but without a 2nd layer of security you can only assume he understood eventually his cage would fail
>>78179912
Define good and evil for me
>>78178760
I agree that in the end the robots exceeded Nathan's expectations. He understood human nature, he understood AI nature, but even though he understood the rules, because reality is so complex, he was unable to predict their behavior. Unlike a simple computer script, the chain of cause and effect is like a complex spider web that stretches in all directions, everything is interwoven and it defies human comprehension. When he died you could see the surprise on his face, he realized didn't truly reach the level of God.
>>78178760
i dont remember much aabout the movie but another thing that caught my attention is that nathan never thought that the robot girl would conspire with another robot to gtfo
this is importnat, and furthering my point... it is not possible that nathan didnt expect anything more than a fake behaviour.
even if you say that he was such a genius that he didnt see humans or robots as nothing more than pre programmed beings, he knew that this is what he had been doing with his robots for a long time and it just wasnt it.
when she teamed up with the other robot, he witnessed this moment he was expecting but didnt know what "it" was, he looked shocked too. it ws an emergent behaviour that he never expected, whats ironic is that he being a loner himself, probably forgot that being social is a vital part of what makes humans us. at that point its like he witnessed monkey become man.
i stand by my point that nathan was expecting something but didnt know what it was, rather than expecting a perfect ruse. in reality we wont develop ai thinking that it will be a perfect copy of us, but that it will have creativity of its own.
>>78179912
>believing in absolute morality
Have you ever stepped even a single foot outside your village?
>>78179932
>Men are rapist pigs without empathy and strong women shall prevail.
>without empathy
Pretty sure Caleb had empathy towards Ava. That was ultimately his downfall.
The movie said women will hate red pilled men and abuse blue pilled men. The movie is not far from the truth.
>>78180057
our ability to define it does not have anything to do with its existence. What is good and what is bad comes from above, its higher than us, we can just perceive it. My personal belief is that goodness are characteristics of God, since God is all Good. I think if we observe every single evil deed we can connect it to suffering, stealing, murder, adultery, and so on have obvious consequences that cause suffering to innocent people.
>>78179363
>you obvlously believe in right and wrong
>you obviously believe in absolute morality
I believe that right, wrong and morality are completely subjective concepts that can be perfectly well explained by things like sociology. I react emotionally to something because I have something called "empathy" which tells me that it's good to treat people good, that's it's good to be treated the way I'd like to be treated.
Just because I can relate to people I can relate to doesn't prove anything about God, humans being always acts according to external forces, influences, or constraints they face, free will does not exist, all is a lie, and you are keeping yourself in the lie because you're too afraid to face the reality that is: life is not just about following the God you were told to believe in to go to heavens.
Now I'm gonna stop here because another thing I know about religious people is that they simply don't respond well to logic.
>>78180470
dude i have travelled all over the world, to all continents except for africa, to dozens and dozens of countries, give me a break. All people in the world from different backgrounds are able to recognize good and evil deeds. Of course cults and false religions might cloud that judgement, but there are deeds that are basically universal, like murder, and theft.
>>78180619
So murdering, murderers is evil or not? Why should I believe in good and evil if you cant define it, show me what it is and why it is.
>>78167879
I thought there was a reason I kind of liked that guy.
>>78180619
>our ability to define it does not have anything to do with its existence
How are you able to tell what is it that you're talking about if you can't define it? If you make a statement such as "God is all Good" but you don't know what "Good" is, that is a meaningless statement. It's the same as saying "God is all X" but the value of X is undefined.
>>78180846
>universal
More like confined to the developed self-preservation that our species evolved to keep us from becoming extinct.
>>78180759
>morality is subjective
if thats the case then you have no moral justification to prosecute other people because their morality might differ from yours. You believe that doing good or evil deeds is nothing but a fad or fashion that can change after some time or place. Thus you believe in nothing. You have no standard of value, yet you obviously do, so thats the thing you are lying to yourself when you say you dont believe in absolute moralities, because your actions say otherwise
>>78173556
>>78174608
Leaf lad i enjoyed reading these posts.
>>78177695
>I can't quite decide if that was disinterest, mercy, or maybe she simply calculated ihe wasn't worth the trouble.
My interpretation was that she calculated that he was no longer a threat and that was that. Robots are kind of dumb like that. To her, the threat is contained, so there is no more threat. It takes higher reasoning to destroy the threat "just to be sure."
>>78167879
I had to watch this movie for my philosophy class. I thought he was pretty blue pilled.
>Huge NEET
>Alcoholic
>Didn't make sex robot white
>Ran a huge network, like Jewgle, that spied on people
Nathan was Jewish no doubt
>>78180858
i said causing suffering to innocent people is wrong, because is unjust, and opposite to God since God is all just.
>>78181007
i didnt say i didnt no what it was, i just said is difficult to define it since its above us. But every person unless is a psychopath can recognize between what is good and bad. you can play semantics all you want but you know im right.
>>78181268
he made it too fullfill his desires, he had asian fever, i dont blame her, if i get to pick a perfect sex bot i would probably also pick asian, at least with asian facial features
>>78181120
>You believe that doing good or evil deeds is nothing but a fad or fashion that can change after some time or place.
>Thus you believe in nothing.
What? How do you come to this conclusion? Morality is just like most things, relative to circumstances.
Murder is fine in self defense. Murder is fine in war. Murder is fine when a criminal gets a death sentence.
It's not like murder is always wrong. There are no fucking absolutes. Take rape. Most people think rape is bad but if a prisoner gets raped in prison nobody cares. People are scared to admit that morality depends on certain subjective mores because it would force them to actually think about morality. There's a reason why laws are different from country to country. It's because nobody can agree on what is actually criminal and how it should be punished. Yes, extreme cases are obvious. One should not murder innocent people. Most people will agree. But then you have people who are pro abortion and pro euthanasia. There are always caveats. It's ridiculous to suggest that there morality absolute. It's not. Far from it. What was moral 1000 years ago isn't moral now and what is moral now isn't moral in 1000 years from now. Stating that morality is absolute would mean there would be no changes whatsoever when there obviously are changes. Slavery used to be deemed moral. Now not so much. Maybe in the future we will reinstate slavery as punishment for criminals. Who the fuck knows? Stop pretending you have all the fucking answers, you just sound like a retard.
>>78181805
I think you have a naive view of right and wrong. I agree that every person that's not a psychopath knows innately that hurting people is wrong and there is no need to teach people morality, but there are also situations where it's not easy to tell what the right thing to do is. If you know what "good" is then then you should have no problem defining it, because defining is just explaining in words what something is.
>>78168997
that's the point
u ded now
>>78179485
>you will never tear up the fucking dance floor with your billionaire best friend on an bitchin island filled with sexbots
I honestly don't know why I go on living.
>>78181805
>But every person unless is a psychopath can recognize between what is good and bad.
This is such a vague and meaningless answer.
what if a murder only murders murderers and then gets killed by another murderer. was he innocent? is this good or evil?
>>78181955
He's still retarded either way. Program your sex robot to be just that, a sex robot. Dont give it thought. Literally just program it to have sex with you and clean the house.
>>>78173556
>>>78174608
Excellent posts amazed to see them come from a Leaf.
>>78179485
it's not that caleb was a cuck
it's that ava was created specifically for him, according to his internet activity, so she's supposed to turn him into a cuck when interacting with her
>>78179485
>>78182239
That was the best scene in the entire movie.
>>78167879
Absolutely yes. One of the movies I don't mind rewatching. Especially for the fap at the end
>>78182254
i think he did program it for that, thats why he was treating her like trash, because thats what it was. he probably didnt expect it to be manipulated by the other bot. which kinda makes sense, the main bot is able to manipulate a human being, it should be easier for her to manipulate lesser bots
>>78173556
>>78174608
m8, the whole point of her being a female was to target caleb's weaknesses >>78182562, and being horny or in love makes you weak, not to create an AI that acts like a woman
>>78182796
Yes lad. Gets me rock hard seeing her take the skin off them robots in the cupboards.
