Christians, assemble!
Any tips on converting Muslims? We should get a project going
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4xL0cDKWUs
Orthodox pastebin with FAQ's for Protestant and Catholics and atheists: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>>78114861
>>78114861
>Any tips on converting Muslims?
Buddy, we told you in your last thread that brown people make shitty Christians.
>>78114945
Orthodox Arabs are awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V27RKwOoQbY
Weak Christians Leave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGWTjQCrycM
>>78114861
if theres another crusade ill convert back to Christianity and fight
>>78115297
>“This is why the war on terrorism today is the holy war today. I pray to God that people all over the world understand this and stop dividing terrorists into good and bad ones as well as connecting the war on terror with their own goals, that are often non-declared yet strongly present on the political agenda,” the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church said.
https://www.rt.com/politics/342097-russian-orthodox-patriarch-declares-international/
>>78114861
Bugger off
>>>/x/ is over there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwh1NoO58cY
>>78114945
fuck off stormfag salvation is open to all people
>>78116712
Amen
>>78115178
>>78116528
The Glorious Revolution infected England with death, even if it took hundreds of years to do its job
>>78115032
Are there any Orthodox hymns which are as good as Agni Parthene?
Or do the Catholics REALLY have the best tunes?
>>78114861
Daily reminder, Jesus is the official God of Reddit and Kek is the Lord and Savior of /pol/ and no they aren't the same
>>78119058
Post Vatican II Catholic hymns are awful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iOBOIwQ2o
Sure there are other great Orthodox hymns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6-u_6dZ8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIyNyJySsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc
>>78119152
Then what is r/atheism on Reddit then?
>>78119152
Worshiping Kek sounds pretty reddit to me
>>78114861
Can't really convert Muslims as they can't convert us unless they hold a knife to your throat.
Also I don't think you're Christian as Christians don't pray to the Virgin Mother, Mary - but Jesus. Catholics pray to Mary.
>>78120553
I pray (as in prithee or plead as in please) to her to pray for me, no more.
could someone recommend me a good bible publisher and translation?
my old one fit in my pocket, had references to other verses as well as jesus's words in red and neat little maps of the holy land. i would like something similar. it was kjv, published by holman
i hear people say kjv is bad but i'm not sure why. i guess other translations are easier to get the meaning from, but i like kjv because i find the language aesthetic
going to bed so ty in advance for any (you)s
>>78120887
KJV is very, very good (especially if you understand what words mean, and I say that as an Orthodox Christian. It's obviously not perfect, but it is very good and a very sincere translation.
>>78121250
>(especially if you understand what words mean
By this I mean the difference in word meaning in Early Modern English compared to today. "Charity", for instance, was much broader back then, it meant "caritas", it's not used to mean merely giving alms.
>>78120928
Don't get it.
>>78114861
we will never convert to you cuck religion
you must live under our feet, the beta must serve the alpha thats how the world works
>>78123036
Canada's lack of religion doesn't seem to be making it alpha.
I kind of want to go to a church just to make friends.
The thing is, there's only One true savior, and that's The God Emperor of All Mankind.
>>78125496
Are you referring to pic related?
>>78114861
Discipline of one's thought life is the ultimate habit for any Christian. It's truly the path toward righteousness. Pic related.
"If you sow a thought, you reap an act; sow an act, you reap a habit; sow a habit, you reap a character; sow a character, you reap a destiny."
>>78115297
Blaming muslims for your own problems is exactly the thing Christ hated the most. Hypocrisy.
"I love interacting with people from cultures that an effeminate Harvard sociologist would consider “hopelessly backwards.” These cultures, though often deeply alien in many ways to our own Western/European tradition and civilization, nevertheless share large similarities with the old Western world one reads about in history books. Though I doubt this fine site’s astute readers will need the point of the anecdote explicitly repeated, I will repeat it for the sake of the stray left-wingers who sometimes stumble into our territory: in Egypt, a girl living alone is immediately and automatically assumed to be a prostitute. And, hilariously, by the standards of Islamic Egyptian society, single girls living alone in the West are invariably precisely that: whores. And, distressingly, single girls living alone in the West are invariably whores by the standards of the Western society of 1950, of 1850, of 1750, 1650… and every century of Western society all the way down to 50 BC, and earlier. Women have four lifetime sexual partners on average, says The Telegraph. I will venture a guess that this figure is far below the actual amount — nobody wants to admit to being a slut or a whore, after all, even anonymously to a researcher. Despite abysmal modern sexual mores, even four is about three more than millennia of human civilization would have considered appropriate for a properly-reared young maiden. I can hear the protests already: “Not all women are like that! Some women who live alone aren’t whores!” Averages, baby, averages — I’m not here to talk about outliers, who always exist. The strong, independent, feminist woman high off women’s liberation sleeps around like a man, and this makes her a whore by any standard of civilization."
>>78126580
"Average age at marriage for Western women only ever increases, and the divorce rate likewise only slowly climbs upwards and upwards. More fornication, more adultery, more divorce, more bastard children, more fatherless children, more broken families, more pornography — not to mention more public (and even state-backed) sexual perversion of all kinds of vile multicolored stripes. The only related metric that is decreasing is total fertility rate. To maintain a stable population, a nation’s fertility rate would have to hover around 2.1 children per women — enough children to replace the parents, and an extra 0.1 children to make up for all the people who die prematurely from accidents, war, disease, excessive masturbation, and what-have-you. A nation with a fertility rate below the magic number of 2.1 will steadily shrink in population until it disappears from the Earth. How is the West doing with fertility rates then? United States: 1.97. United Kingdom: 1.88. France: 1.98. Russia: 1.53. Spain: 1.50. Italy: 1.48. Germany: 1.42. Tiny Iceland is managing 2.08, but Portugal a dismal 1.32. Poor Bosnia is at 1.28, one of the lowest in the world. Austria, Croatia, Romania, Hungary, Serbia, Poland, Ukraine, Cyprus and Slovakia are all below 1.50. These countries are quite literally slowly disappearing from the map. For a sobering comparison, the smoldering crater known as Afghanistan is at 5.00, war-torn Iraq is at 4.06, and the dysfunctional Congo is at 5.98. Even North Korea is managing a 2.00 fertility rate — the same country where amassing a nuclear arsenal and luxurious liquor cabinet for the Supreme Leader is more important than preventing mass starvation and widespread famine. A North Korean family could probably survive for a year on one of their Supreme Leader’s many chins, and they’re still reproducing more than Americans ostensibly living in the vast land of plentiful bounty and limitless opportunity."
>>78126616
"This 21st century Bacchanalia is flashy and fun, bursting with a vibrant hedonism of clubs, bars, festivals, conventions, easy sex, easy drugs, easy booze, easy desserts, easy work, constant novelty and stimulation from the Internet, the television and from Hollywood, but it will end us all. If everyone is avoiding family life and child-rearing so that they can spend more time doing what our grandparents (and great-grandparents, and great-great-grandparents, and great-great-great-grandp…) would have called “mortally sinning,” we’ll all be gone without a legacy before the end of the century. When one speaks of “mortal sin,” one must remember that the very English word “mortal” is derived from the ancient Latin word for death, mors. Our forefathers are looking down on us as we commit the most pathetic and protracted suicide in history. Rather grim, innit?"
>>78126680
"Quite simply, if we put every woman back in the home, back next to the hearth, and gave her one son and one daughter to educate, civilize, inform, teach, nourish, protect, cultivate, cuddle, cherish and love, what would happen to our society? What if we gave her a fit, cultured, intelligent and loving husband who could teach his son baseball and read Cinderella to his daughter? A husband who didn’t spend his boyhood drugged out on ADD medications, his teenage years drugged out on cannabis, and his young adulthood drunk out of his mind? A husband who was taught to appreciate Beethoven, recognize Van Gogh’s Starry Night, recite a little poetry in French, and recognize a Biblical quote in Ancient Greek? A husband who was taught to shoot a gun, punch a drunkard, row a canoe, and hike up a mountain without complaining? Who kept a library where the television might’ve been, and who knew who his father was, his grandfather, and their fathers and grandfathers before them? Who worshiped the same God as his most distant ancestors, and lived on the very same land they conquered long ago? Who maintained and honored the inheritance bequeathed to him by his forefathers, both material and spiritual, and left it in better condition than he received it, and passed it on to his own sons and daughters? Might we see a resurgence of the stable, loving family? Might we actually see — trigger warning — a better society?"
http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/01/26/womens-liberation-is-womens-prostitution/
>>78126314
Great contribution, thanks anon!
>>78127674
Christian generals have been a thing on this board long before /his/ existed.
>>78127727
>Christian generals have been a thing on this board long before /his/ existed.
and?
>>78127826
And generals are not supposed to be posted on /his/ according to the sticky
Can someone tell me how Mary was a Virgin but got pregnant anyway?
>>78128132
The Holy Spirit
>>78128230
Why was she called a virgin?
That guy sounds like a pimp.
>>78128287
She is called a virgin because she didn't have any intercourse, the conception was wholly miraculous.
>>78128384
Did he cum in a cup and pour it into her vagina?
babies are pretty miraculous things from mother nature but how they are made is -very- well understood.
>>78128485
Her egg was miraculously transformed into a zygote.
>>78128555
Where did the other chromosomes come from?
I have a somewhat weird question.
I was baptized in an Orthodox Church, but had first communion in a Catholic Church due to going to a Catholic school.
I feel I like Orthodoxy a bit better, but could I still be considered Orthodox even after a Catholic first communion?
>>78128600
The Holy Spirit miraculously bestowed them.
If you're asking about Christ's human genetics, they were probably identical with Adam's (1 Corinthians 15:45,
>>78128932
Is there any proof or evidence in recorded history of anyone ever being porn through a miraculous zygote or only Jesus Christ?
>>78128819
Yeah, you just have to Confess having taken Catholic Communion before you take Orthodox Communion. Maybe make a formal renouncement of Catholicism, depends.
>>78129001
No one but Christ was conceived this way according to Christianity. Christ is literally God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth, incarnate as man only once.
>>78129117
Can you prove any of this?
Because a lot of what you believe is about the same as black magic. As in to say, absurd.
>>78129309
You can see the argument for the historicity in the pastebin in the OP, it's too long to post here
>>78129480
It's not evidence.
I think it's an interesting story that is taken way too seriously.
You don't miraculously impregnate a zygote. It's safe to say Mary had sexual intercourse.
>>78129606
>It's not evidence.
It's an argument. Are you asking for archaeological evidence?
I don't think this gets posted enough. Proper response to ">jewish religion" posters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k
>>78129676
No, evidence of women having children without sexual reproduction taking place in the human species.
>>78129680
You do realize that contemporary Judaism comes directly from Pharisaic Judaism?
>>78129721
But Christians don't believe anything of the sort ever happened but with this case. So I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
>>78129860
Do you personally believe Mary gave birth to Jesus and did so miraculously?
If so, how do you believe in something so absurd?
I'm sure you can understand why i don't buy it.
>>78129980
>Do you personally believe Mary gave birth to Jesus and did so miraculously?
Yes
>If so, how do you believe in something so absurd?
I believe in Christ's Resurrection (which you can see the argument for), which makes me accept the rest
>I'm sure you can understand why i don't buy it.
Yes
>>78130111
Accepting only one part of something doesn't mean the rest isn't flawed.
The resurrection is even more absurd than the conception of Jesus.
Medically induced Death is possible, and many people have woken up from the dead before, but you're also asking me to believe he went into the sky and joined the space God.
It's all a fable anon, it was never meant to be taken literally. That should be obvious to you, an intelligent human being.
>>78129809
What's your point?
After growing up in various Baptist churches and going pretty regularly (except during college - multiple bad experiences with Christian groups), I'll be getting baptised soon (still going to a Baptist church).
Don't have much more to add, just thought I'd share.
>>78130416
Are you suggesting he had a medically induced death from crucifixion that he woke up from?
>>78130854
No, i'm saying there are accounts of death on the medical table and through other ways and people getting up later.
You can't just say Jesus got up later, if anything the way it explains he died should give you red flags, there is no way anybody is getting up from there if we are to take the bible literally.
>>78130971
It's impossible from a purely naturalist point of view, of course. That's the point. The Apostles themselves think it's nonsense at first.
>>78131143
It's not a naturalist point of view. I'm agnostic.
You'd be a hypocrite to believe in what the bible says but not in the legend of king arthur.
>>78120553
>Pray to Mary
We only recite what is written in the Bible.
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. luke 1:28
>>78131199
The legend of King Arthur was written a long time after the fact, not by promulgated by Arthur's direct followers who were willing to die to stand up for the truth of their story.
>>78114933
DEUS VULT
>>78131366
Just because the bible attracted a cult following and garnered fanaticism doesn't mean it's more valid than the legend of king arthur. If you believe in miraculous birthing, resurrections from the dead and all the other stuff in there then the legend of mithra and all other identical Jesus fables through history are things you should believe in. If you don't, it's hypocritical to only believe in one.
>>78131484
There is a much, much better argument for the historicity of the Resurrection.
Jesus is the key to dealing with Muslims.
He is in the Koran and did miracles unlike Mohammed
>>78131559
Not enough to say it happened.
And certainly not enough evidence to elevate it from absurd. The apostles are not eyewitness accounts.
If you reject all the other things in history like Mithra then i have no idea why you choose to only believe in Jesus. It's just a story anon, if you believe in it with such little evidence and not other stories then you're picking and choosing.
>>78114861
>CHRISTIAN GENERAL
What the fuck do you want. First you destroyed the West, now you want to destroy /pol/ with your cuckary.
>>78131678
>Not enough to say it happened.
Not enough to prove it, but at least to make is a decent possibility.
>>78131748
>destroyed the West
Explain
>>78114861
>Any tips on converting Muslims? We should get a project going
You won't be able to convert anyone except traitors.
>>78131671
Jesus (pbuh) will return and kill Dajjal soon.
>>78114933
SAME SHIT
i am greeke
>>78114933
>>78131863
DIFFERENT DAY.
>>78131863
Traitors to Mohammed, but loyal to God.
>>78131775
Again, i don't understand your mindset. Surely you are aware of all the other practically identical Jesus stories in history?
It's a story that has been retold hundreds of times. Because it is a good story, it's not supposed to be literal, it's a philosophical story about morality. Aristotle's Atlantis has more historicty, we understand and know today that the ancient greeks didn't actually practice magic or have heroes, it was their way of explaining things they didn't completely understand.
We know that heroes from the bronze age were those that could afford a full set of bronze armor, someone like that would be a hero on the battlfield. We know that their pantheon was a way to explain various aspects of the world they didn't have the science to immediately explain. They were by no means stupid. They invented these things to help give people a moral compass.
In 2016 you should know and understand that in the year 0 human beings had very little to live for, and this concept of an afterlife and more being out there than themselves was vital and beneficial to their existence.
Humans now live around 80 years and are educated (for the most part). Your moral compass is what will ensure you either live in harmony with modern society or live in jail, a completely different situation from Jesus's time. You never needed validation about what happens after you die, it should be obvious the whole point was maximizing your effectiveness here on Earth.
>>78132120
>Surely you are aware of all the other practically identical Jesus stories in history?
No there are not.
>>78132236
Horus.
He had 12 disciples.
One was born of a virgin in a cave.
Like Jesus, his birth was announced via a star.
And three wise men showed up!
He was baptized when he was 30 by Anup the Baptizer.
He rose a guy from the dead and walked on water.
Lastly, he was crucified, buried like Jesus in a tomb, and resurrected.
Buddha
Healed the sick
Walked on water.
Fed 500 men from one basket of cakes.
Taught a lot of the same things Jesus taught, including equality for all.
He spent three days in jail.
Was resurrected when he died.
Mithra
Virginal birth on December 25th.
Swaddled and laid in a manger.
Tended by shepherds in the manger.
He had 12 companions (or disciples).
Performed miracles.
Gave his own life to save the world.
Dead for three days, then resurrected.
Called “the Way, the Truth and the Light.”
Has his own version of a Eucharistic-style “Lord’s supper.”
Kirshna
A Hindu God.
Born after his mom was impregnated by a God.
Angels, wise men, and shepherds were at his birth.
Guess what gifts they gave him? Gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
A jealous bad guy ordered the slaughter of all newborns, just as happened with Jesus.
Baptized in a river.
Performed miracles, including raising the dead and healing the deaf and blind.
Rose from the dead to ascend to heaven.
Is expected to return to earth someday to fight the “Prince of Evil.”
Osiris
Killed and the resurrected after three days in hell. WTF? A common theme here!
Performed miracles
Had 12 disciples.
Taught rebirth through water baptism.
I can go on for awhile.
>>78132375
Are you seriously quoting Zeitgeist?
>>78132711
I never watched that film, but are you saying any of that is inaccurate?
It should be obvious the fable of Jesus is a retelling of the same story. You can say it's divine coincidence i guess.
>>78131748
the West refresh will come now with Muslim
>>78132796
>I never watched that film, but are you saying any of that is inaccurate?
I'm saying virtually all of it is.
>>78132986
Evidence?
>>78133031
The burden of proof is on you, not me. I can't find anything supporting what you said about Horus, and I'm not going to keep going after that.
REMINDER
Christianity is Cuck™: the religion.
You are delusional if you think otherwise.
>>78132120
One thing that makes me admire the scientific process is how thorough it is. The the Big Bang Theory was shit until they found the cosmic background radiation. Science wanted to discredit it until certain proofs were found, and they were, and the theory was accepted. Extreme claims require extreme evidence. This is the scientific method which was handed down by philosophy. A lot of people need evidence like yourself, and that is fine. Perhaps one day you will see a miracle, and you will believe. Perhaps you won't.
Some of us have. I'm sure a miracle can be broken down using classical arguments to be found to be quite understandable in the mind of science, at the very least, a decent hypothesis can explain it.
To some of us, though, a certain clarity is there. You may think it a placebo effect and that is understandable. That is faith, though. The religion speaks to us like no other, and the words of God and the Son are personal to us, and our own experiences in life have led us to be this way.
Maybe if we were born in India, we would be Hindu, Jain, or Buddhist. Perhaps we would be Sant Mat, Islamic, Jewish, or anything else had our birth been elsewhere and our lives led down a different path.
I understand what you are saying. The thing is, we have faith. I know it's hard to understand for someone who needs to follow a healthy level of skepticism. Perhaps faith is ignorant to you, and that too is understandable. Nobody is holding a sword to your throat and asking you to convert or even think us rational. Just know that the door is open if you have genuine questions about The Gospel.
Whatever your walk in life, I wish you happiness.
>>78133126
I find the burden of proof argument amusing coming from someone who believes in the miraculous conception of Jesus and most likely God.
But sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirisc
Done.
>>78133275
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
Doesn't corroborate anything you said.
>>78132375
anything to back this bullshit?
>>78133187
You're asking me to hope something exists.
I hoped unicorns existed when i was young, i grew up watching legend, and many muppet+David Bowie movies, maybe that is what is wrong with me.
A story is easy to discern from reality, i know that's a difficult thing to accept, but i have faith in mankinds ability to find answers.
>>78133310
elaborate.
>>78133594
Wikipedia links won't win you arguments here, friend.
>>78133462
I mean that nothing you ascribed to Horus is mentioned in that article.
>>78133746
Neither does faith.
>>78133594
>Horus.
>He had 12 disciples.
no mention
>One was born of a virgin in a cave.
hum not rly
>Like Jesus, his birth was announced via a star.
no mention
>And three wise men showed up!
no mention
>He was baptized when he was 30 by Anup the Baptizer.
no mention
>He rose a guy from the dead and walked on water.
no mention
>Lastly, he was crucified, buried like Jesus in a tomb, and resurrected.
no mention
?
>>78133781
Well, if we are living life by your logic, that really shouldn't be a problem though. Accepting and believing in things with no evidence is something you've been doing for a long time.
>>78133437
I'm not really asking anything.
Nobody can prove God exists. Nobody can scientifically explain a virgin birth. Nobody can prove the crucifixion and resurrection.
Nobody has any real proof and I take it that you need to see something to believe it. Maybe you will see something one day, perhaps you won't.
Regardless, I wish you well.
>>78133856
There's plenty of evidence, I already directed you to an argument which shows that the Resurrection is a reasonable possibility.
>>78133821
>Jesus was born of a virgin
No Evidence
>Jesus came back from the dead
No Evidence
>God
No Evidence
>Genesis
No Evidence.
Why would me believing in Horus have any less validity?
>>78133922
That's not evidence. It's based on the false premise someone can come back to life after dying.
>>78133933
The things you are ascribing to him can't be traced back to his ancient worshipers.
>>78133865
I don't need to see anything, i just want to see one thing replicated.
It's a story anon.
Don't attribute the weakness of your belief system to me by saying "i hope you're saved one day"
>>78133988
Premise: God might very well exist (you said you were agnostic).
Premise: If God exists, he can bring people back from the dead.
Can you agree to these premises?
>>78134001
Jesus has zero historicity on that account, historians question if he was a single person.
>>78134056
If God exists, there is no evidence for him, and likewise something that there is no evidence for existing has no evidence to give for no existence.
Evidence of absence argument. I do not believe in the Christian God whatsoever, but i'm not arrogant enough to say we will never find anything.
>>78133865
nobody can explain stigmata yet it happened and was verified many times (always catholics)
>>78133933
>Jesus was born of a virgin
No Evidence
Actually there is, 25 mars 1858
>>78134292
lol.
>>78114861
As far as Islam is concerned, it's an uphill battle. Pope Francis is stating that Islam is a Religion of peace, which is a difficult thing to swallow coming from the most prominent figure in the world.
I don't understand this and I believe he is wrong. He wants to unite the beliefs, not lead others to Christ, and I can't see the logic or how he has held his position.
Many muslims entering europe are converting, though. Perhaps a chain reaction will happen. This will, of course, cost lives of the converts, as apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.
At any rate, do what you can. If a Muslim genuinely wants to hear, tell him.
>>78134102
Did you see the argument for the historicity of the Resurrection?
>>78134171
But you agree that it is reasonable to say he might exist, just not reasonable to presume that he does?
>>78134387
pope francis is a vatican 2 pope AND from the compagny of jesus, hes worthless and does not reprensent anything christian
As a non Christian (former catholic) Ecclesiastes is objectively the best part of the bible
>>78134427
It's not peer reviewed and it's based on a flawed premise, that's not logical.
It's not reasonable to say something exists and attempt to find an answer to. Yet, my problem with the Christian god, is that every time we find an answer to something, like how sexual reproduction works, Christians always use the evidence of absence argument and the lack of good record keeping technology of the age of Jesus. It's very safe to assume it's either just a story or if something does exist to fit your story, "it" had nothing to do with your religion.
It's just as likely nothing happened is what i'm saying, and it's where the evidence overwhelmingly points.
Why didn't you pray the rosary today, /pol/? Don't you want to strengthen your relationship with Christ by honoring our Mother?
>>78132375
>>78132375
fuck of man
>>78134670
Good, now prove Jesus was born of a virgin. I can admit fault if you can.
>>78134603
>It's not peer reviewed
I could give you a peer-reviewed argument, but it's much longer, very expensive (unless you want to download it), and pretty scholarly.
>>78134748
Flawed premise, people do not come back from the dead, especially not after three days.
Something can be logically sound but not based in reality. Zombies are not real, no matter how logical you make the stories they live in.
>>78134813
You're begging the question.
>>78134745
>>78134316
pls explain how that is not a proof ? it was verified by Rome
>>78134745
not the point it was about the myth were you lied about
>>78134874
I'll need you to elaborate that one.
Whats a good legit book on the Crusades?
>>78134901
No...
>>78134922
What if i told you i have faith all of it happened and i hope you were saved by enlightenment one day?
>>78134924
You are presuming a priori that God does not exist and that he cannot raise people from the dead. The argument for the Resurrection here does not presume either that God exists or that he rose anyone from the dead, rather these are conclusions.
I have a question. I grew up in the faith and as an adult drifted from it. I had never felt the presence of God which most every other Christian I know claimed to have. My prayers felt like talking in my head or quietly in whisper. My priest once told me, when I began to doubt the faith, that God even cherished us if we "wen't through the motions."
So my question is, how do I feel the presence of God? Prayer never worked.
>>78114861
YESHUA HAMASHIACH
JESUS CHRISTUS
JESUS KRISTUS
JESUS CHRIST
"I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT UNTO ME".
>>78135064
Try the Jesus Prayer coupled with fasting. You might try reading The Way of the Pilgrim.
>>78135101
You guys are like 0.5% christian, how is the Oriental Church never heard of its traditions
>>78135013
Interesting, so do you have evidence god exists or that people can come back from the dead?
Logic demands evidence.
>>78135101
Japanese Orthodox?
>>78135206
I provide an argument that Christ was Resurrected, yes.
>>78135293
Can you provide evidence for it?
>>78114861
/pol/ I need some help here:
I´m reading the New Testament and I have finished Matthew and Marcos, and I havent noticed any diferencce, exept the fact that Matthew gives more details than Marcos and the "contradictions" that the Marias say about the resurrection, my cuestions is, is it worth reading all the other apostles if they say exactly the same?
>>78135252
I believe it's coptic orthodoxy
>>78135323
You mean archaeological evidence?
>>78135252
>>78135175
>>78135424
Im not Japanese, Im a foreigner just on a short trip here. Not sure what you mean.
Im Eastern Orthodox (From Europe).
There is one orthodox church in Tokyo who are there own orthodox church, perhaps what you mean, im not educated in this.
God bless!
>>78135424
No, I meant was he Japanese Orthodox, there is a Japanese Orthodox Church
That artistic style is Eastern Orthodox, not Coptic. Both use flat style and the same motifs, but they're very distinct styles.
>>78135513
their*
>>78135470
Anything really.
It's not begging the question to deny people cannot come back from the dead, it's been proven already. In this argument you may not have the burden of proof, but to the scientific community at large you most certainly do. Believe it.
>>78135527
Im not Japanese, see this: >>78135513
>>78135384
read John
>>78135384
They all tell the same story. Some leave out parts that others do describe. And all of them have a different perspective. Try to find something about the value of the differences between the evangelists
>>78135590
I'm talking about miraculous Resurrection, not naturalist Resurrection. You want me to prove naturalist Resurrection exists when Christianity doesn't even assert that?
>>78128819
Whatever rite your ancestors kept, that is your inheritance and duty.
Reminder to pray to Santiago Matamoros in these times of strife
>>78114945
So convert white Muslims only.
>>78135384
Mark is intended as a summary of Matthew with some dogmatic glosses added.
Yes, reading the other two is worth it.
>>78135513
>>78135543
>>78135679
Have fun anon, I kinda thought it was to good to be true to have a Japanese christian here. Odd how China eats it up though.
>>78135756
It's difficult for me to understand how you can believe in the notion of "miraculous resurrection"
There is no such thing in observable history, it is hypocritical for you to believe in such a thing and not deep space dragons that shoot lasers outside of our ability to observe them.
Bayesian analysis and logic allow us to infer things about reality we can't see. The universe follows laws and logic, it doesn't just do things "miraculously" But oh well, i can how important the story is to you, despite what the world tells you, what logic and repeatable events tell you, you believe in magic. That's respectably stubborn, good night.
>>78120222
All kek-posters ignore this post, despite "trips of truth"
How sightly.
I want to be a Christian, I have lived a sinful life and see the sinfulness of the world, the degeneracy and hate which is only getting worse. I feel as though /pol/ is somewhat responsible, I never thought I would find God through 4chan.
I want to believe but there is always doubt that God is real, how do you deal with this?
>>78136026
I asked the same.
>>78135973
>There is no such thing in observable history
So what? What are you, Hume? We're not assuming it happens as a postulate, we're looking to see if it's feasible in *this circumstance*.
>>78136026
See the atheist FAQ linked in the OP
>>78136107
>>78136140
Thanks, didn't read OP well enough.
>>78135756
Resurrection can occur, up to around maximum 3 days after clinical death.
Search on youtube for "Ian McCormack" and "Bill Wiese" both speak great on the bible, specially Bill Wiese.
Ian Mccormack speak on resurrection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTAmN4m2lQ
Bill Wiese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbAuuVBdY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj7QX0uPOOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
>>78135848
Actually I was at a Japanese Church today at Tokyo. They people were super friendly.
The priest spoke quiet good english.
Not sure what kind of christians they are, but they spoke of the true gospel, like the real Sabbath is on Saturday and not on Sunday.
Some calenders start on Sunday.
Sabbath is the weeks last day, which actually is Saturday.
Christians in Japan are a very very tiny portion.
Much more Christians in Korea.
They are more into Shioism, Taoism, Buddhism, however they are connected or if they are the same? I have no idea.
God Bless.
>>78114861
>>78114861
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Is Anglican degenerate?
>>78136512
>Not sure what kind of christians they are, but they spoke of the true gospel, like the real Sabbath is on Saturday and not on Sunday.
Seventh Day Adventists
>>78126580
>>78126616
>>78126680
>>78126708
Have you fact checked these? For instance the rate of marriage in Australia rose at a higher rate than population growth and divorce statistics are going down as well which might hint at there being a different causal factor at play here
>>78136597
Sure is in America and Canada. Prince Charles is getting very, very interested in the Orthodox Faith though, so he might change the CoE to the English Orthodox Church upon his ascension.
>>78136597
yes
>>78136639
Okay.
Seventh day adventists, is this good or bad?
What is it like?
Yet another form of Protestants?
(all division, different churches and rules etc are stupid, there is one Jesus Christ and we we all praise him. the mortal man will always divide and argue, but we all have only one Jesus)
>>78136801
They're bad, but not Arians or anything like that. More just apocalyptic fundamentalists who think the Roman Catholics are the whore of Babylon, though despite all this they are generally quite polite
There is only one Church, the Orthodox Church, because Christ only founded One Church, not ten thousand.
>>78137038
nice bait
>>78137038
Yeah, Im Eastern Orthodox from Yugoslavia.
Serbian and Macedonia follow the Orthodox catholic doctrine, which is the same of that from Damascus and Jerusalem, which came from the 12 original disciples of Jesus.
God bless!
>>78137142
I'm being sincere. Didn't you get the memo? Orthodox Vatican II failed
>The document affirms love and peace as the church's ideals, criticizes racism, inequality, moral degradation and "liberal globalism" -- it's an agenda as conservative as it is anodyne.
>Yet the Council could have changed the Orthodox churches' ossified attitude toward the rest of Cristendom, which has not changed since the Dark Ages. To Orthodox Christians, all other denominations are heresies, not churches. Some steps toward more ecumenism and more openness would already constitute serious progress for what is now the most conservative of Christian denominations. Patriarch Bartholomew, a friend of Pope Francis's, was determined to push it through.
Thankfully, it looks like his agenda has failed.
>the Russian Orthodox church, the biggest of all potential participants, has pulled out at the last moment, following the defection of three smaller churches, and the Council has been rendered meaningless or even damaging to future attempts to bring Orthodox Christianity into the 21st century.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-16/the-orthodox-church-stays-in-the-dark-ages
>>78137320
Amen, amen, amen.
>>78137376
That article was a hit piece by anti russian journalist, look at the other articles hes written.
Russia's abstention has far more to do with the situation in the Ukraine and thier power struggle against the Patriarch of Constantinople.
If were just a matter of preserving dogma then they could have simply voted it down when it was raised, instead they threw the baby out with the bathwater and killed the whole thing.
How is Deus vult or ave Maria any different from aloha snackbar?
>>78137639
Bulgaria was the main one that pulled out due to dogma.
Russia didn't pull out over a power struggle or the situation in Ukraine (notice the Ukrainian Church got denied autonomy by the Patriarch even when Russia didn't attend).
>If were just a matter of preserving dogma then they could have simply voted it down when it was raised, instead they threw the baby out with the bathwater and killed the whole thing.
Literally everything else was feel-good fluff meant to pad and obscure the real issue. The reason they waited and pulled out at the last minute, is because they wanted the council to be done with instead of postponing it and trying again in a decade. Now the attempt to have an Orthodox Vatican II, in the making for several decades, is completely finished, because the council so long in planning is finally being held, but completely castrated of all effect.
>>78137691
Look at the source of the claims and look at the impact of them and youll get your answer.
>>78137691
All religions and theology have such a vague point and undefined doctinre, with language which is very vague and unspecific.
In the Quaran there are many examples like "it was red on the wall", and red can mean ANYTHING, it can mean blood, danger, a sign, whatever.
All religion and theology are like this, except christianity where its a very simple language and message, a clear way to Gods house.
1 John 1:5 "God is light and in him there is no darkness at all".
By this one sentence already 2 world religions are dismissed. The ying-yang-concept is already destroyed by this one sentence.
The Bible have a very specific way to Gods house, none other part of theology or religion have that.
God Bless!
>>78137913
>Russia didn't pull out over a power struggle or the situation in Ukraine (notice the Ukrainian Church got denied autonomy by the Patriarch even when Russia didn't attend).
Russia has huge influence of the Eastern European Churches, especialy Bulgaria.
>Literally everything else was feel-good fluff meant to pad and obscure the real issue. The reason they waited and pulled out at the last minute, is because they wanted the council to be done with instead of postponing it and trying again in a decade.
Nonsense they were finally going to fix that administrative nightmare going on in the New World + Oceania and finally discuss the issue of missionary work which is something that the Church has struggled with horrifically. Indeed these were the first issues on the agenda.
>w the attempt to have an Orthodox Vatican II, in the making for several decades, is completely finished, because the council so long in planning is finally being held, but completely castrated of all effect.
You realise that they could have barred and changes to dogma or doctrine that would have lead down a vatican II path whilst fixing those other issues.
You are just creating a false dichotomy.
>>78138456
>By this one sentence already 2 world religions are dismissed. The ying-yang-concept is already destroyed by this one sentence.
Not really they can easily pull out the whole God just being the good component of reality whith human sin or the material world being the bad part as the gnostics do
>>78138488
>Russia has huge influence of the Eastern European Churches, especialy Bulgaria.
Yep, and Bulgarian gave the real reason for the withdrawal.
>Nonsense they were finally going to fix that administrative nightmare going on in the New World + Oceania
Nope, the Patriarch blocked discussion of jurisdiction, though Russia pressed for it. Not really surprised since it would cost him all his parishes outside of Turkey and a few Greek islands.
>finally discuss the issue of missionary work which is something that the Church has struggled with horrifically.
Antiochian Church is doing great missionary work, any of the others can if they want. There is never going to be some pan-Orthodox missionary work because missionary work is very dependent on jurisdiction.
>
You realise that they could have barred and changes to dogma or doctrine that would have lead down a vatican II path whilst fixing those other issues.
No, those are the only things His All-Holiness cared about. He wouldn't change them. He'd spend more time having the weasel words improved. Don't forget we're talking about a Patriarch who weasel-worded his way out of condemning abortion.
>>78138488
>Nonsense they were finally going to fix that administrative nightmare going on in the New World + Oceania and finally discuss the issue of missionary work which is something that the Church has struggled with horrifically. Indeed these were the first issues on the agenda.
That is something Russia doesn't want to fix. Because if they did that the American Orthodox Church would be independent and no longer under Russian leadership.
>>78114861
Cuckstianity
>>78138808
>That is something Russia doesn't want to fix
Yeah they do, they've been pushing for it more than anyone else.
> Because if they did that the American Orthodox Church would be independent and no longer under Russian leadership.
Russian wants this, that have declared the American Church to be autocephelous, it's the other churches that refuse to recognize it as such.
It would be a massive boon for Russia, because the American Church would be another vote in any councils, and would be aligned with Russia.
>>78138993
You are more informed than me, so I can't say much. But I still don't thrust the ruskies.
>>78120887
KJV isn't bad, but it's textual history is more plagued with problems than other manuscript in other bibles cause it comes from the Byzantine family. The ESV is probably your best bet cause it combines the dead sea scroll manuscripts and accurate translates the words closest to it's hebrew and greek originals.
>>78115178
>>78116528
This man recanted all his bigoted views a few years before he died.
>>78138659
meh
>>78138796
>ope, the Patriarch blocked discussion of jurisdiction, though Russia pressed for it. Not really surprised since it would cost him all his parishes outside of Turkey and a few Greek islands.
Link?
>Antiochian Church is doing great missionary work, any of the others can if they want.
Care to post what counts as "great" missionary work? Simply having more people getting married in your church (and not comming back) or having a slightly smaller majority of 50+ year olds isnt much to boast about even if the rest of the Orthodox Chruches are languishing from ethnic insularity.
No christian group has as ethnic segregation or is as heavily reliant on people marrying existing parishioners.
> There is never going to be some pan-Orthodox missionary work because missionary work is very dependent on jurisdiction.
Which is why this meeting was so important. If you want to be the Universal Church you cannot sit on your hands passively moaning.
>>78140189
>Link?
I can't find it right now, but the Russian Patriarch was pushing heavily for an American Church (obviously, since that would mean 15 instead of 14 churches, and with each having a vote, that would increase Russia's influence). That discussion of jurisdiction was firmly removed from the table though. This was before pascha.
>Care to post what counts as "great" missionary work?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochian_Orthodox_Christian_Archdiocese_of_North_America#Evangelism
>>78140189
Here is the original draft the agenda from the 1970's
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/ecumenical/orthodox/reaction-orthodox-council.cfm
As you can see, foul intent was there from the start.
>>78140189
>The archdiocese broadcasts Ancient Faith Radio, an Internet-based radio station with content themed around Orthodox Christianity.
Golly gee an internet radio station.
>As a result of its evangelism and missionary work, the Antiochian Archdiocese saw significant growth between the mid-1960s and 2012. The archdiocese had only 65 parishes across the United States in the mid-1960s and by 2011 this number had increased to 249 parishes
Not a particular helpful statistic as it doesn't discuss ethnicity/immigration and retention.
For instance look at
"The events of the early 1920s also provided the stimulus for the first permanent national Greek American religious and civic organizations. Greeks again began to arrive in large numbers after 1945, fleeing the economic devastation caused by World War II and the Greek Civil War. From 1946 until 1982, approximately 211,000 Greeks emigrated to the United States"
That number alone could have produeced that growth. Meanwhile
>Orthodox Christians have one of the lowest rates of retention across Christian and non-Christian denominations. Only 53% of adults who were raised in the Orthodox Church still identify themselves as Orthodox Christians. Compare that to Hindus (80%), Jewish (75%), Mormon (64%) and Catholic (59%).
>Orthodox Christians have the highest concentration of first-generation born Americans at 40%, significantly more than other Christian groups, compared to 27% of Catholics and 8% of Protestants. Muslims have the highest concentration of first-generation Americans at 61%, and 26% of Buddhists are first-generation immigrants.
>Marriage rates were down 6% overall, but Orthodox Christians marriage rates are down more significantly than other religious groups. In 2007, 58% of Orthodox Christians identified themselves as married, compared to 48% in 2014. In comparison, marriage rates for Catholics were down 6%, for Protestants down 4% and Jews down 1%.
Kill yourselves, all of you.
*tips katana*
>>78141255
>Golly gee an internet radio station.
They've grown by five-fold through evangelism. Today, 70% of their clergy are converts, and more than half their parishioners.
>That number alone could have produeced that growth. Meanwhile
It's better this way, the Antiochian Church does their Liturgy in English and is generally more traditionalist and they aren't under the Ecumenical Patriarch's thumb (who is head of the Greek Church outside of Greece). I am personally Greek Orthodox, but I am very happy with the situation of Antioch taking over the U.S.
We have Latin American
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/15/greek-orthodox-church-latin-america_n_7065630.html
Our situation of a bunch of overlapping jurisdictions in the U.S. is absolutely wrong and non-nonsensical, and since the Ecumenical Patriarch won't give up his reign, it is better if it dies out and is taken over by a single jurisdiction.
>>78141078
How similar is it to the current draft or plan?
As for the dodgy part - which there is only 1 all the other points could be discussed.
>Topic 10. We believe that in proclaiming Christian ideals to the world the church may explicitly call attention to what it has learned from its experience in the world concerning basic Christian ideals. Hence theological reflection is needed on the presence of the Holy Spirit in the world outside the church and the values of the world in the eyes of the church. Under this topic the following specific themes may be given special attention:
>Justice and human rights;
>Ethical Consensus on many important issues such as sexuality, cohabitation without marriage, abortion, medical issues pertaining to the preservation of life, and the like; and
>Study of the roles and methods of effective preaching, Christian education, and liturgical celebration toward spiritual renewal, i.e., the nature of the experience of the living God over against contemporary secularism and the modern experience of the "absence of God."
These dont have any of the Vatician II tones to them and are more about creating a uniform line so that they can better deal with the scourge of atheism that is sweeping the world.
Having one of the lowest retention rates of any Christian church is a pretty solid indicator that you are not preaching effectively.
>>78141691
The current one is a watered down version of it, basically. The thing about granting automony (the administrative stuff you were talking about) was removed, as for the "missionary" thing you're talking about, the relation of the Church to the rest of the world, that was never about missionary activity, it was always about ecumenism.
If you don't find much in that document objectionable, then I'm baffled as to why you're Orthodox
>>78141562
>They've grown by five-fold through evangelism.
Can you give a source for that because Im only finding really vauge numbers?
>It's better this way, the Antiochian Church does their Liturgy in English and is generally more traditionalist and they aren't under the Ecumenical Patriarch's thumb (who is head of the Greek Church outside of Greece). I am personally Greek Orthodox, but I am very happy with the situation of Antioch taking over the U.S.
Is it taking over or merely stagnating at a slower rate?
>We have Latin American
That link really sums up the problem with the Orthodox mindset.
"Metropolitan Athenagoras, a Chicago native, had no intention of seeking to spread the Orthodox faith to local communities. Still, they came, and the church began to grow."
It grew in spite of the Churches innaction. Whether this will be something that lasts unlike the fad in finland will something that will take time to see though.
>Our situation of a bunch of overlapping jurisdictions in the U.S. is absolutely wrong and non-nonsensical, and since the Ecumenical Patriarch won't give up his reign, it is better if it dies out and is taken over by a single jurisdiction.
Its not just the US its everywhere they go outside of their traditional holdings.
>>78142042
>Can you give a source for that because Im only finding really vauge numbers?
"As a result of its evangelism and missionary work, the Antiochian Archdiocese saw significant growth between the mid-1960s and 2012. The archdiocese had only 65 parishes across the United States in the mid-1960s and by 2011 this number had increased to 249 parishes.[5]"
>That link really sums up the problem with the Orthodox mindset.
Sums up the problem with the Ecumenical Patriarch's mindset, he's the one who appoints bishops in the Greek Church outside of Greece.
>Its not just the US its everywhere they go outside of their traditional holdings.
God is correcting it since the Ecumenical Patriarch refuses to.
>>78141908
>If you don't find much in that document objectionable,
Compare to the Vatican II documents and you will see very different pictures. Yeah there are some spooky terms but thats only if you look through the parinoid eyes of some who sees Vatican II in every shadow.
then I'm baffled as to why you're Orthodox
>>78142223
>"As a result of its evangelism and missionary work, the Antiochian Archdiocese saw significant growth between the mid-1960s and 2012. The archdiocese had only 65 parishes across the United States in the mid-1960s and by 2011 this number had increased to 249 parishes.[5]"
Did you ignore my post in >>78141255? The proof in those figures lay soley in an atlas of church locations (not even sizes or rates of attendence) and did not discuss issues of immigration.
The Bulgarain Church increased 1000 fold over a 10 period which seems amazing until you look at the context and see that immigration from that community quadrupled thier numbers here.
>Sums up the problem with the Ecumenical Patriarch's mindset, he's the one who appoints bishops in the Greek Church outside of Greece.
Can you honestly say that this kind of apathy is only a greek phenomena in Orthodoxy? The other churches are doing far worse even by the low bar established.
>God is correcting it since the Ecumenical Patriarch refuses to.
God doesnt seem to be overriding free will in human folley in this respect. This has been a problem for over 100 years
>>78142321
>We understand that some changes in fasting practices are advisable
Not good, our fasting practices are very venerable, our practice of fasting on Wednesday and Friday appears even in the Didache
> The issue regarding impediments to marriage, pertaining to both clergy and laity
This is a weasel-word way of saying make it so people who divorced without good cause can remarry, INCLUDING priests, who aren't supposed to marry at all unless it's only once and before ordination.
> as well as the possible issue of the eligibility of married clergy for the episcopate
This would completely subvert our general rule that bishops have to be tonsured monks. This ordinance has served us well.
>With regard to the calendar question, the impact of Christian agreement on a common Easter date would be considerable both within and without the Christian world
The Orthodox already have a common date. This is about changing it to accord with the non-canonical heretical date for no good reason. Pascha has an agreed upon method of dating, it will never change.
> On the question of the relationship of the Orthodox Church to other Christian churches
There are none, this is overtly heresy. There are other Christians, they aren't churches, there is only One Church, that one founded by Christ.
>The question of the ranking of autocephalous churches raises the issue of the practical and theological significance of rank per se within the Orthodox Churches. Why, for instance, has the actual importance--past or present--of certain churches in fostering the life of the entire church been the crucial factor in their gaining prominence in rank among their family of churches?
This about crypto-Papism. Either about giving the Ecumenical See some special power, or about bowing to Rome.
> We feel that the consideration of the terms under which autonomy is granted to local churches might take in view the history of the Roman Catholic Church's practice
Why are heretics worth emulating?
>>78142861
> We hold that the presence of the Orthodox Church in the World Council of Churches is a valuable witness of the apostolic and catholic tradition
It's globalist liberal organization drifting further and further left, the Orthodox Churches that have left so far were very wise
>>78128819
Just so we are clear if you were Baptized in the Orthodox Church you were all Chrismated and Communed right after the Baptism.
>>78142736
>The proof in those figures lay soley in an atlas of church locations (not even sizes or rates of attendence) and did not discuss issues of immigration.
Arabic people are a minority in every Antiochian parish I've been in, it has nothing to do with immigration. If it were immigration, would 70% of their clergy be converts? Come, now.
>Can you honestly say that this kind of apathy is only a greek phenomena in Orthodoxy?
Yes, absolutely. The Russian Church was very missionary before the USSR. Now they're working on increasing that again: through an agreement with the Chinese government, the first Orthodox parish in China (outside an embassy) has been established with a priest who the Chinese state doesn't appoint (which is invalid), on the condition that he was Chinese (which he is, but attended seminary in Russia).
Considering that we've never had any serious colonial powers backing us, and it takes a lot to convert, we're doing pretty well.
>God doesnt seem to be overriding free will in human folley in this respect. This has been a problem for over 100 years
The iconoclast crisis was longer than that. God does things in his own time, and we ourselves are very, very slow to do things, because being quick to do things is what caused the RCC to veer so far from her roots.
>>78142861
Well some of those are certianly iffy ill revise my original statement partially.
>This about crypto-Papism. Either about giving the Ecumenical See some special power, or about bowing to Rome.
Its a tad too crypto for me
As for >Why are heretics worth emulating?
Creating web radio stations is emulating heritics just because someone elese does soemthing doesnt automactically make it wrong and fallen unless of course you start going full whore of babylon
>>78143427
>Its a tad too crypto for me
It would have to be to pass muster, but it's leading to Constantinople, or more likely, Rome, being seen as fostering the Church's life (which is ridiculous, no See does that, Christ does that), and by extensions "vital" (with Rome, this would be a way of saying we are impaired by not being in Communion with them).
>Creating web radio stations is emulating heritics
We don't pay them lip-service as some sort practice we should follow suit on though. This article here is about nipping church independence in the bud, replacing autocephalous status of new churches with the Romish "sui iuris" status. Basically a way to make the Church more like Rome and prep the bull so we are ready to get cucked by the Pope.
>>78143263
>Arabic people are a minority in every Antiochian parish I've been in, it has nothing to do with immigration. If it were immigration, would 70% of their clergy be converts? Come, now.
Once again I just want some statistics not anectodes. Some Orthodox Churches in my country still have all their services and sites in Russian but I wouldnt use that to smear the church
>Yes, absolutely. The Russian Church was very missionary before the USSR.
Not true at all, at best during that period it was coerced on populations subject to Russian imperialism via colonialism and "russofication" as well as bribery - offering people better rights and money if they convert. Their efforts outside of that where negligible.
Compare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_missions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_missions
>Now they're working on increasing that again: through an agreement with the Chinese government, the first Orthodox parish in China (outside an embassy) has been established with a priest who the Chinese state doesn't appoint (which is invalid), on the condition that he was Chinese (which he is, but attended seminary in Russia).
How pathetic that for Church to hold that a success whilst the Catholics run rampant forming underground churches whose bishops and members face persecution and martyrdom.
>Considering that we've never had any serious colonial powers backing us, and it takes a lot to convert, we're doing pretty well.
Pull your head out of your ass having 27,000 regular attendees (which is probably not even 1% of your Churches predominantly ethnic membership worldwide) is dismal and yes the Orthodox have had many Great powers back them.
>The iconoclast crisis was longer than that.
It wasnt even if you lump those two separate instances together.
>God does things in his own time, and we ourselves are very, very slow to do things.
In this case I think you are trying to hide the folly of men as the wisdom of GOd
>>78144091
>
It would have to be to pass muster, but it's leading to Constantinople, or more likely, Rome, being seen as fostering the Church's life (which is ridiculous, no See does that, Christ does that), and by extensions "vital" (with Rome, this would be a way of saying we are impaired by not being in Communion with them).
Didnt they do that centuries ago with Alexandria and Constantinople?
>We don't pay them lip-service as some sort practice we should follow suit on though. This article here is about nipping church independence in the bud, replacing autocephalous status of new churches with the Romish "sui iuris" status. Basically a way to make the Church more like Rome and prep the bull so we are ready to get cucked by the Pope.
Or you know it might be about introducing some centralizing to contain and fix the absolute clusterfuck of jurisdictions fostering ethnic division and insularity.
>>78144624
>Once again I just want some statistics not anectodes.
>One-third of Orthodox priests in the U.S. are converts—a number that skyrockets to 70 percent in the Antiochian Orthodox Church, a magnet for Evangelicals. In the Greek Orthodox Church, around one-third of parishioners are converts, while just over half the members of the Orthodox Church in America came through conversion.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/eastern-right-2/
>Compare
Almost all colonialism.
We do have missions
>Since Metropolitan Philip founded this department 108 missions (excluding Western Rite parishes) have been established by the Antiochian Archdiocese. Of these, fifty-five have grown to full parishes.
http://www.antiochian.org/missions
>How pathetic that for Church to hold that a success whilst the Catholics run rampant forming underground churches whose bishops and members face persecution and martyrdom.
It's a great success, we've faced persecution enormously in the Middle East and did for a long time in Eastern Europe, you've only persecuted enormously and committed murder in God's name.
>Pull your head out of your ass having 27,000 attendees
What
>and yes the Orthodox have had many Great powers back them.
No where near as colonial as Spain or Portugal. We pushed Eastward, and established a large presence in China that was destroyed in the Boxer Rebellion, as well as a decent one in Alaska. You dare you impugn us for not playing as you have, and acting like Muslims and converting by the sword and charging fees to forgive sins to fuel it?
>>78144880
>Didnt they do that centuries ago with Alexandria and Constantinople?
No.
>Or you know it might be about introducing some centralizing to contain and fix the absolute clusterfuck of jurisdictions fostering ethnic division and insularity.
Except they don't foster any such thing, ethnic divisions in parish attendence are almost completely a product of different communities inhabiting different areas. Even if my parish ceased to be under Greek jurisdiction, most parishioners would still be Greek (though with a fair number of converts). It's an issue, but it is any sort of catastrophe by any means.
Meanwhile, your centralization has facilitated a fast track for heresy, and we are truly blessed not to have it, it saves us from modernism.
>>78145637
but it is *not
Here is another article on Orthodox converts, quoting numbers
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-01-11-orthodox_x.htm
>>78145344
>One-third of Orthodox priests in the U.S. are converts—a number that skyrockets to 70 percent in the Antiochian Orthodox Church, a magnet for Evangelicals. In the Greek Orthodox Church, around one-third of parishioners are converts, while just over half the members of the Orthodox Church in America came through conversion.
Looking a the source I rely on (page 4) tends to lead me to think that this is an instance of a flash in a pan and that like the bulgarain experiance paints an innacruate picture of reality
http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/EightFactsAboutChurchAttendance.pdf
>Almost all colonialism.
Funny how you conviently ignored the methods of Russia.
As for the Catholics take another read, whilst there was certainly some in the New World that was the vast minority in number of missions and converts
Another fun example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ippolito_Desideri
>We do have missions
From your own link "Department of Missions and Evangelism was established in 1988"
Nearly 2000 years of history and it was only in the last couple of decades your church started evangelizing.
>It's a great success, we've faced persecution enormously in the Middle East and did for a long time in Eastern Europe, you've only persecuted enormously and committed murder in God's name.
Actually im posting Im saying that Catholics are risking thier lives to spread and administer the faith. This is very different from the persecution of Christians (who just want to maintain the status quo) by invading muslims.
>What
See the link I provided on 27,000 attendees are actually regular, the rest are cultural christians or marrige only ones.
>No where near as colonial as Spain or Portugal.
Yeah the Byzantine Empire isnt anything is it.
>>78145344
Part II
>
>We pushed Eastward, and established a large presence in China that was destroyed in the Boxer Rebellion, as well as a decent one in Alaska.
Laughable at best it was a few pockets in the territories under Russian influence. Meanwhile Catholicsim managed to return and even endure communism.
>You dare you impugn us for not playing as you have, and acting like Muslims and converting by the sword and charging fees to forgive sins to fuel it?
Isnt it telling that you can only equate conversion with violence, but hey when you look up to Russia I guess that comes with the territory.
I criticize the Orthodox Church for its failure to live up to its divine mission and to passively fall to Satan all whilst masturbating and naval gazing over purity. Many conversions from other faith happened peacefully and on large scales - even Islam in Indonesia the fact that you think that the choice is to slaughter people or host a few radio stations/ convert a few protestants temporarily represents everything that is wrong in the Orthodox Faith, that passive self righteous cancer which will see the world dennyed Christs love.
Christianity is almost dead. Atheism is the highest rising "religion" currently in the western civilisation the only thing beating it by far is Islam.
>>78145886
Numbers which seem to contradict your early claims
>>78146769
>I criticize the Orthodox Church for its failure to live up to its divine mission and to passively **allow the earths population** to fall to Satan all whilst masturbating and naval gazing over purity.
>>78119412
>implying they play shit like this at sunday mass
Fuck off shill
The Orthodox Church is the One True Church
>>78114861
Wow OP. Check the calendar, too late muh nigg. You had the chance 10 centuries ago but not anymore. Sad religion of Judeo Christian cuckoldry is dying just like the race that built civilization on top of it.
>>78146788
Demography man. Western world - low birth rates, Africa - very high birt rates.
There are still some places where christianity is on the rise despite demography.
>>78114933
FPBP
>>78132375
Horus.
>I can find no references to Horus EVER dying, until he later becomes "merged" with Re the Sun god, after which he 'dies' and is 'reborn' every single day as the sun rises. And even in this 'death', there is no reference to a tomb anywhere...
Osiris
>So O's "resurrection" is no resurrection at all -- and in fact was actually a sort of function of the way the Egyptian gods were, shall we say, being half Frankenstein, half Lego set. There are in fact many stories of the Egyptian gods flinging various body parts around, and to no overall harm, because "divine bodies were thought to be impervious to change"
Many more points:
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.php
>>78132375
mithra:
http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.php
buddha:
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/buddha01.php
>Preaching doctrines of the devil and cherry picking what parts of the bible you believe.
Allow me.
http://pastebin.com/iUW4WVXj
>>78114861
WAKE UP
>>78146788
Stay mad fedora
Christianity and christians will survive your degenerate civilization while you will be enslaved by mudslims.
>>78134929
Nothing?
>>78156871
Christianity is becoming increasingly irrelevant in the face of factual information.
>>78126616
Everywhere else on Earth, more children means more money for the family, more support for you as you get old. In the West children are a complete burden until 18 years old, then they move out forever and live solely for their own sake until they die, parents living off pitiful state funding in retirement instead of taking a slice of their healthy children and gandchildren's income as was typical in the past.
Once again it can be attributed to the destruction of the family unit, kids do not care enough about their parents to want to help support them, parents do not care enough about children to want to house them past 18 years old. In times past entire families would live in the same house for generations, now families move houses every 5 years and shatter apart every 10.
The West is experiencing a serious lack of love, not love for foreigners or love for peace or whatever abstract concept leftists preach, but simple familial love, the building block of every nation on Earth. We will not last long without strong families, this is a fact, we are not doing enough to keep the family unit alive and well.
>>78159878
whoa, what are these new facts you're referring to?
>>78114861
>>78160119
Scientific evidence.
>>78160428
wow! that sounds very impressive!
can you elaborate?
>>78160705
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence
>>78159878
>factual information
The only facts are atheists only have 0 to 1 children per family, and most of them like good atheists whitout any principles will convert to islam because they are cucks who fear for their pathetic lives, the second fact is that Christianity is growing everywhere, in fact christianity is growing in the more revelant part of the world i.e. asian world.
Stay mad
>>78160864
okay?
Good Luck!
>>78160826
oh, sorry for the misunderstanding.
i know what scientific evidence means, i thought you were saying that there was some new scientific evidence that refuted Christianity in this post: >>78159878
>>78160864
*without
*relevant
>>78161078
Christianity exists.
Most of the beliefs are not factual.
>>78161175
that's an interesting viewpoint, well stated.
can you provide some examples of the beliefs that are not factual?
>>78114861
God not real
>>78161289
Miraculous birth.
>>78135384
Read all of them eventually, but if you were to only read one more right now I would recommend Luke, it is the most comprehensive in my opinion.
>>78161340
you seem to be presupposing naturalism and excluding the possibility of supernatural events occuring, what's your justification for this?
>>78161447
You're assuming supernatural things exist with no evidence.
Begging the question. It's a fallacy.
When putting together a collection of icons is it important that all follow the same "style" - or is it okay to mix icons from the Greek style with Russian ones? (given that all the other rules when it comes to putting them together are met)
>>78134628
how does that make any sense? Pray for Christ, not the human that carried Him
