COMMUNISM THREAD
I grew up in Bulgaria in the 80s. It always makes me laugh when I see all these western armchair communists who love communism but have never actually experienced it.
SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
>>78038198
soviet communism was basically an authoritarian statalist capitalism. communist was only in the name
marxism was never experienced in real life apart from Sicilian revolution in 1890s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasci_Siciliani
>>78038198
I enjoy public education and healthcare but full socialism seems like a utopia.
>>78038198
Tell em' what's what.
>>78038558
And it never will be, unicorns are closer to reality than communism or communists.
>>77967019 (OP)
>What is wrong with communism?
It doesn't work. If you take a group of one hundred people and get them all to agree to give up private ownership, and if you actually get them all to agree to it, you'll achieve actual, working communism. Above that number, nobody gives a fuck about each other. Try it at a society of around fifty million people the oligarchs whose wealth you want to redistribute will want nothing to do with it.
Thus begins the first stage of any communist country: the "revolution". To redistribute the wealth, a large government is formed and an army begins to seize the wealth. Only the wealth is not there anymore because the Oligarchs have fucked off, leaving you with a country that is around 50% poorer than it was before and fifty million people who are eagerly waiting for the wealth they were promised.
So everyone's quality of life suffers, you have to introduce more government and more army to stop people from revolting and trying to get things back to how they were before, and the second stage of communism, the "classless, stateless" wonderland, never happens. Instead you get a totalitarian, Stalinist shithole with millions of people fleeing to places like America where, while they may be the lowest of the low, they actually have the chance to gain an education, an employment and get a better quality of life.
tl;dr, Communism inevitably leads to 1984.
Fuck yourself commies.
>>78038657
>public education and healthcare
not communism
>>78038558
noone_built_the_right_communism.jpg
>>78038198
>b-but anon, TRUE communism has never been tried ;)
>"b-b-but real communism has never been tried before!"
>>78038198
The only reason they want communism is because of the free shit.
Anoder gomunism bread
>>78037771
>communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMODsO2NZ4
>>78038739
>>78038765
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>>78038839
>mom I can spread inaccurate propaganda
what if stalin was just trying to create the skeleton army?
really makes you think :^)
>>78037771
no
also communists are the most despised posters on 2ch /pol, just mentioning
picrelated
>>78039013
>Inaccurate
nice try mongolia, stop breaking my wall
>>78038977
> failing to Russia=communism (((meme)))
>>78039040
Well he also tried to inseminate women with ape cum to create a ape army..
ROLEPLAY THREAD
>>78038685
Why does everyone jumps so quickly in the "true communism will never work" bandwagon, but hardly agree "true capitalism/liberism will never work"?
Protip: because you are just bluepilled faggots.
>>78039371
>>78038702
Nice shitposting, dont you have an emu to fight?
>>78039111
rly comrade
>>78038702
>Communism inevitably leads to 1984
Implying fascism doesn't
>>78039565
I never said anything about fascism
>>78039371
First of all I don't wholeheartedly support true capitalism, second capitalism is much closer to reality.
>>78039371
propose a better alternative to capitalism. protip, you can't. everything else is either a catastrophic failure or a regression to feudalism
>>78039687
not true comrade, let me show you some literature
>>78038765
You guys need to get your infographic shit together.
It literally kills my eyes to read that shit
>>78040011
is this a good template?
>>78039565
Fascism was always meant to be temporary.
>>78037771
>1 post by this ID
sup cripplechan
>>78038999
Good to know that they have plenty of bleach to kill themselves with.
>1 post by this id
>1 bing by this bong
>>78040199
>Fascism was always meant to be temporary
Even the dictatorship of the proletariat is meant to be temporary. Haven't you read Marx and Lenin, comrade?
>communism was never implemented
You say communism has failed. But what has failed is just a series of dictatorships, which declared themselves to be the endpoint... but in fact they were born as mere transition phases.
>>78040463
>durr it will work next time
T.stupid auscuck
>>78040463
if you can't even transition into communism successfully perhaps it was never meant to be tried
>>78039687
>propose a better alternative to capitalism. protip, you can't. everything else is either a catastrophic failure or a regression to feudalism
What you live in now is not capitalism, but a joke.
Your "capitalism" is not a better alternative....maybe it is better for you, but not for all the African comrades who you have been enslaving
>>78040602
I am sorry you make fun of me comrade. But following your line of reasoning, we should never try twice what we got wrong once.
I assume that, since you are rational, my dear comrade, whenever you failed a test you will never try it again because you take your former failure as a representative sample of the future series of attempts.
And anyway, how many times has this been tried? Would you care to print me a list, comrade?
>>78040671
why would african '''''comrades''''' be my concern
>>78040957
There's a difference between failing a test and causing ~100 million people to die as a result of a shitty meme theory.
In any case, excellent bait. Drop the comrade thing though, it ruins the facade.
>>78040648
Maybe the transition theory is wrong. But maybe the end point is desirable.
And anyway Marx, the OP of communism, thought he was describing current events when he posted his thread. He was trying to make as accurate a statement as he could, given the tools available at the time. It's just some German, Russian, and Chinese shitposter thought his "descriptions" were actually a handbook of what is moral and what is not.
>>78039111
>multinational russian
Kek
>>78041094
Because their demise foreshadows the future demise of you or your offspring.
If you do not care about them, you foster a system in which everyone thinks they should not care for others.
But economic cycles mean you (or your offspring may never see wealth again).
You need to plan a system with the lower classes in mind, dear comrade, because you may not know which place you will.have in society tomorrow.
>>78040463
>Even the dictatorship of the proletariat is meant to be temporary. Haven't you read Marx and Lenin, comrade?
And that is the biggest thing both Marx and Engel got wrong, people don't like giving up power and human nature doesn't simply change.
The closest humans ever gotten to true communism is Anarchist Spain and several other anarchist movements, but that kind of society isn't really suited to defense/security. Even if it does manage to survive, people will eventually get tired of a stateless society.
All these morons in this thread doesn't understand why Communism is good. The government literally gives you free stuff and you think that's bad?
>>78041684
That's welfare state you idiot, a thing which was created in order to prevent communism.
>>78041139
Comrade, both of us know that if we start counting corpses, no ideology will come out better than the others.
But communism aims to be the end of all ideologies, and true emancipation of all human beings.
You don't want to argue with me about corpses becausebecauseany wars were caused by capitalist countries competing among them.
I sggest you try a better argument
>>78041680
>And that is the biggest thing both Marx and Engel got wrong, people don't like giving up power and human nature doesn't simply change.
So is Capitalism temporary or permanent?
>>78041832
>But communism aims to be the end of all ideologies, and true emancipation of all human beings.
That's why it keeps failing comrade. It's not an ideology at all, it's an edgy utopian daydream.
>>78041989
Permanent, but different ideologies take hold of the capitalist state.
>>78037771
Communism and all leftism thought is a plague on the human race.
>>78040957
Hurr only tried once
> tried in russia,china,cuba,vietnam,north korea,venazuala
No wonder you stupid fags got beat by emus
>>78037771
>COMMUNISM THREAD
You love that Jew dick don't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSAB5OPkwQ
>>78039371
Just wait for the fucking robots jesus christ.
Once robots can do all the shitty jobs we won't need to reduce people to serfs. Then you fucking Commies can rise up.
>>78040671
Globalisation has lifted more poor Africans than all the shitty socialist systems that have ruined that continent
>>78041680
>The closest humans ever gotten to true communism is Anarchist Spain
Which still had central planning by bureaucrats who would execute people who didn't submit to their Socialism.
>>78042384
>Russia
The USSR was the second most powerful nation in the world for half a century, despite the Russian Empire being a meagre shithole at the beginning of the century.
>China
Now one of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world with a massive economy.
>Cuba
It's done pretty well for itself as a country despite being under embargo from loads of the world's major economies since the Red Scare
>Vietnam
I think there was a little bit of an American intervention there that could be blamed for it being a shit hole. Not to mention it was also under embargo for fucking years.
>NK
1984 state that used communism as a guise to secure funding from the USSR and other communist countries, and to control the people.
>Venezuela
Okay there's no defending this shithole of a country, but it is actually a pretty shitty example of a communist society, as there is a clear social hierarchy.
>>78042924
>Then you fucking Commies can rise up.
They said the same thing when agriculture was being mechanized
>>78037771
reminder that SRS is launching a full scale raid on 4chan through leftypol
>>78043110
Litteraly every Eastern European nation is significantly poorer thanks to the Soviets than they would be if it never existed
Also Russia was a world power under the tsars you ignorant fuckstick
And China only started to gain actual economic development once they introduced market forces
They would have collapsed if they didn't do this.
The same thing happened in Cuba as well.
The simple fact is Mises was 100% accurate
https://reason.com/archives/2005/01/21/the-man-who-told-the-truth
>>78043110
>Russia
The Soviet Union was a shithole full of poverty known for faking how powerful it actually was.
>China
was poor as shit still it started adoping some elements of capitalism
>Cuba
Like the Soviet Union it's a shithole full of poverty that fakes it's success
>vietnam
even less communist than china today and will probably become a democracy soon, less shit than china too.
>NK
i agree tbqh
>Venezuela
more socialist than communist
>>78043040
Yup.
>>78043110
>The USSR was the second most powerful nation in the world for half a century, despite the Russian Empire being a meagre shithole at the beginning of the century.
Because of state capitalism not communism, and just because it was militarily strong doesn't mean it wasn't behind on several issues.
>Now one of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world with a massive economy.
State capitalism along with Deng Xiaoping both which of which the communists hated and still do.
>It's done pretty well for itself as a country despite being under embargo from loads of the world's major economies since the Red Scare.
State capitalism again.
>I think there was a little bit of an American intervention there that could be blamed for it being a shit hole. Not to mention it was also under embargo for fucking years.
Both of which it wouldn't have if it shed it's communist identity.
>1984 state that used communism as a guise to secure funding from the USSR and other communist countries, and to control the people.
The only difference between NK and the immediate/Stalinist USSR and Maoist China is that power is hereditary.
>Okay there's no defending this shithole of a country, but it is actually a pretty shitty example of a communist society, as there is a clear social hierarchy.
And all of your other examples have clear social hierarchy too..
>>78043110
>The USSR was the second most powerful nation in the world for half a century
Yeah because stalin killed all the dumb revolutionaries and sent them to gulags, trotsky etc..
Plus it was one of the largest nations in the world, sure a regime change only helped it since it industrialized heavily
>bread lines are based
>Now one of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world with a massive economy.
It's not even communist and it's an authoritarian regime where people kill themselves for companies across the world
>It's done pretty well for itself as a country
Not at all
>Not to mention it was also under embargo for fucking years.
>embargo wahh
the east was full commie you shithead, they had their own trading partners
>1984 state that used communism as a guise to secure funding from the USSR and other communist countries, and to control the people.
Isn't that what they all do you moron?
Only came itt to laugh at the amount of triggered amerilard posts
Socialism & Communism ruined my country. The self-proclaimed "revolutionists" don't actually want equality for all. They want to overthrow "the rich" and "the elite" only to replace their position with themselves.
>>78045215
I think that's what a lot of people misunderstand socialism wont make everyone even. It will only transfer the wealth to the new leaders. Wealth inequality has existed in every nation ever on this planet including communist ones.
>>78039262
No lol that guy was exiled from Russia to France
