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>transsexuals are mentally ill
>gays aren't
Why is this manlet so inconsistent?
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Homosexuals and Transsexuals are different things you know.
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>>77899034
They'll change the definition for transexuals soon enough, don't you worry.

Eventually being straight and identifying as the gender you were born will be considered the mental illness.
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>>77899034
He's actually pretty fucking degenerate. Loves to talk about 'traditional values' but then starts talking about how this one time he was in a threesome and his dick slipped into the other guys condom.
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>Man thst enjoys taking it up the ass and it's honest about it.
>Manchild who won't stop going on a tirade untill the world adapts to his distorted self image.

There's no difference at all.
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>>77899034
Hes not really a manlet.
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He is a fucking joke. He is so try-hard. Its not even funny. He actually brought Sam Hyde to one of his 'talk shows' and it was so fucking bad. Sam Hyde made him look like a dick sucking bafoon.

Another thing. Sam Hyde is now working in Adult Swim. This makes Sam Hyde more successfull that this fuckwad who I don't even know his name. So I call him fuckwad because I don't care about his name. No one cares about this guy lol its funny.
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>>77899034
Transsexuals are advanced gays.
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>>77899485
He is. He's like 5'9.
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>>77899034
Gavin is degenerate as fuck. He's also PC when convenient. He knows shitting on gays keeps you unemployed but trannies are a much smaller group so no one important cares. His (((boss))) at Rebel Pundit didn't like it when he found out cuckservative inferred sucking Jew cock so Gavin stopped using it.
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>>77899034
because that's reality, m8.

Gays are attracted to someone of the same gender, while that's not your cup of tea that's not mental illness.

Howver, wanting to mutilate your genitals to turn yourself into a chimera of body parts that is neither male nor female and then play dress up while taking hormones to grow tits?

That's nuts.
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>>77899034
Both are wrong.
One is easibly fixable, the other isn't.
They're also different faggot.
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>>77899649
He's also an open advocate of race mixing, he supports capitalism, he supports Israel, and he thinks he's a man when he's just a skinny midget with a beard.
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>>77899034
He stands for modern Western civilization which is already got corrupted. Modern means progressive so gay right activism. Some day transgender rights activism will become the full part of western civilasation and this faggot will be obliged to suck transgender dick in public. But he will say "despite me acting as degenerate, i oppose muslim and chinesesavages, i am the good guy".
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>>77899034
because he's a fucking faggot, obviously.

>>77899276
They are both mental disabilities related to ones ability to reproduce.
They are also both dilutions,
And they both inevitably lead to the host killing themselves.
celebrate failure,
pride in shame.
do what you feel like and don't follow your conscience, trust me it will lead you to happiness, end white race forever good goyim.
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>>77899386

He also said he likes to taste shit when he eats ass. He's a total degenerate, but he's pretty entertaining and BTFOs liberals so he is alright by me.
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>>77899681
>that's not mental illness.
So it isn't an abnormal, destructive, and irrational mindset?
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because he wan't so virtue signal
he is gay himself, no hetero would kiss another man
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>>77899814
b8
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>>77899762
>he supports capitalism
You don't?
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homosexuality is degenerate, a sexual fetish, not a way of life

transexualism is mental illness, they don't like who and what they are and refuse to accept it, not a way of life
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>>77899681
faggot,
we have a zillion different types of autism, and they are hard to tell.
but i can tell from miles away, you are a fuckking GAY.
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>>77899840
Faggot detected. 50 years ago homosexuality was a mental illness. Now transsexuality is the mental illness being advocated for. In 2056 you'll be saying that transsexuals are normal and only paedophillia is a mental illness. The cycle continues.
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>looking for consistency from an employee of (((The Rebel)))
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>>77899910
Unless you're checking me out, the fuck do you care?
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>>77899958
50 years ago we didn't know what we know now.
Way to go champ.
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>>77899864
Why would I? I hate liberalism. Capitalism is a corruptive force that pits racial brothers against each other. Capitalism caused the migrant crisis, it causes the poverty of whites, it destroyed the family unit, and it is the cause of all the degeneracy you see. This is a National Socialist board.
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>>77900045
You'll be saying that to justify trannies and paedos in the future.
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>>77899499

Where did he bring Sam? I can't find the show.
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>>77900050
It gave us the highest average wage rate in the world, therefore the best standard of living.
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>>77900050
You're confusing Corportism with Capitalism. I'm not even white so your argument means nothing to me.
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White pride world wide God bless Glen Beck. Down with decadence, up with Islam!
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i'm multicultural and i like todlers do i get special rights? im clearly an oppressed minority, and i cannot control my sexual orientation.
LGBTQP equality!!!!
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>>77900080
No, not everyone is a brisbane hipster. piss off.
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>>77900122
National Socialism gave us 100% employment, racial hegemony, a living wage, no homelessness, and a strong nation state. You're basically bragging about your Jewish master giving you more scraps.
>>77900177
Capitalism allowed corporations to take control. National Socialism makes the industries accountable to the people's government.
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>>77900105
he did in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXs879mUu4o

I have mixed feelings about Gavin he does say some really based things, like when he btfo that feminist, and that video on "how to go to canada if trump is president" but thene he also says some really dumb shit, he called roosh a feminsit in the same video mentioned above
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>>77899794
No, he said he likes the FAINT smell of poo when pounding from behind.
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>>77899034
You have to permanently disfigure your body and distort reality to be gay by definition?
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>>77899639
So he is average height in the U.S
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>>77899276
They are different things as in different delusions. They are still the same thing, a mental illness.
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>>77900453
>Capitalism allowed corporations to take control.
No. Corrupt politicians and their (((masters))) allowed it.
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>>77900453

National Sozialism needs an ongoing war to keep the economy on top, though.

Not that I'm a friend of "profit first"-ism or what we should call our momentary system of economy, but every set of axioms has its weaknesses.
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Remember that he created Vice. Like a lot of people in the "alt right," he's a complete liberal degenerate who failed to capitalize on progressivism and is looking for money elsewhere. Some of them don't like the whole SJW movement, but they'll still happily promote drugs, promiscuity, and race mixing/immigration. They'll just criticize Muslims and safe spaces too. They're useful idiots at best.
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>>77899034
One is about denying reality and irreversible self-mutilation, the other is about degeneracy.

I know what I prefer.
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>>77899034
He is not inconsistent.
I'm not saying he's right, but trans and gays are different things.

One is a person that has such a distorted image of reality that thinks they're a person/thing they actually aren't.

The other is a person that fucks anything (males in this case). Now, you can call a person that fucks a goat mentally ill or just degenerate. Which one is right is something I won't dwell into in this thread.
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>>77899814
Tell me how homosexuality is irrational. Gays are attracted to men, so they rationally pursue their self interest by fucking men.
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>>77899780
shut up. you're just lucky to have the right upbringing and everything. straight people are lucky and chosen by God. God is fair, huh ?
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>>77899864
>supporting deadly ideology
you belong to gulag
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>>77899034

Okay you know what :

There are hundred of mammels that practice homosexuality. Saying its unnatural is a incredible poor excuse because humans are the only race on earth that acts unnatural in nearly every aspect of their life.
Wouldnt homosexuality die out after 1 generation in the wild? So how does homosexuality appear in all the other species?

Transsexuals on the other hand are mentally ill:
They want to be the other gender, something that impossible. You can ACT and BEHAVE like a women ( taking dick, acting feminine , taking care of kids and dont be aggressive and docil ) but its impossible for any mammel to switch gender.
Would people say i'm mentally ill if i wanted to switch from humane male to dolphine male?
Yes.
Transsexuality also doesnt appear in natur, so taking the "normie argumentation from above that liberals took for decades doesnt apply to these people
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I'm gay and think it is an mental illness. What can I do about it.. fuck it
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>>77899276
No they are both the same, one just likes dressing up as the other sex so they can tell themselves they aren't gay.
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>>77900698
Yes. Under 6' is a manlet.
>>77900796
They wouldn't have been able to do it if there was a National Socialist government. They could only do it under liberal (((capitalism))).
>>77900804
No it doesn't. It just needs a productive economy. But the ultimate goal of National Socialism is self sufficiency and staying within one's national borders in a hegemonic racial state.
>>77900900
They irrationally ignore their biological imperative. They're mentally malformed human beings.
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>>77900804
Why in the world would national socialism require wars to fund itself? The only reason nationalism is so related to a strong military is that if you seek independence and a self sustaining economy, removing yourself from the rest of the world, expect to meet heavy resistance.
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>>77900998
you've been here for too long. here, a good dose of replenishments >>>/hm/
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>>77901022
Prove that they have a biological imperative to reproduce. Biology does not guarantee that every organism wills to pass on its genes. In this way the will to reproduction is almost a reproductive skill. In the same way that you must survive and gather food to be able to reproduce effectively, you must have the will to reproduce effectively. How is a creature that is unfit to reproduce mentally ill?
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>>77901022
Biological imperative isn't rational, its an instinctual drive and that drive is replaced by all the sodomy because they rationally discovered a loophole to get most of the pleasure and less of the problems (women and children) associated with the biological imperative.
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>>77901088

That place is riggid with faggots, no thanks.
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>>77899034
Gavin has borderline personality disorder
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>>77901232
Whats your excuse?
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>>77901184
but you are. just like me. you're lucky to live in a place where you can be honest to everyone about who you are. use your priviledge.
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>>77900998
Fuck off to /lgbt/ faggot
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>>77899780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbUHEpmX2lA

Because he is literally a faggot.
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>>77899034
Gay's are perverted, not mentally ill. Cutting your dick off and saying you're something you're not is akin to schizophrenia
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>>77901294

Why?
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I have some wisdom: we're all mentally ill. It's part of the human condition.
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>>77900978
>implying animals can't be mentally ill
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>>77901588
Speak for yourself, I value my own mental health and strength.
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>>77901135
>>77901156
Why is it always (((Americans))) who have a warped view of rationality?
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>>77901321
Willingly destroying your genes is irrational.
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>>77900581

He doesn't bring him on in that senpai, just talks about him.
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>>77901829
Why is it that Australians have a warped view of arguments?
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>>77899034

Because the difference is trans people genuinely believe they were born the wrong gender so they try to change their sex, same as people who believe they are a dog or some animal. They can dress up, fuck and like who ever they want, it's their freedom, but when they start believing they are "born in the wrong body" and try altering themsleves through surgery, that's where the mental illness part comes from.
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>>77899034
Look up the definition of fetishism in a psychology book, it literally fits exactly with homosexuality.
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>>77901938
It is, but it depends if you're coming from a hedonistic mindset.
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>>77899276
accepting homosexuality opens the door to other degeneracies.

there was a furry at the orlando funeral. that is the gay future.
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>>77902069

Oh come on these people are obviously mentally ill
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>>77901746

>3-7% of Thousand different mammels around the world get mental illnes somehow

Okay shitposter
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>>77901972
All you're doing is trying to normalise degenerate behaviour with hedonism.
>>77902047
No creature on earth is hedonistic in your sense.
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>>77899034
Gays are sexually attracted to their own sex. Trannies believe they were born the wrong sex. You can believe both to be a mental illness if you want but no sane man would consider the two alike. Adding T to the gay community is the dumbest thing the fags have done. Seriously, any gays reading this you guys fucked up big time.
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>>77899034
He's a Gen Xer
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>>77902166
Which mammals are exclusively homosexual?
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>>77902150
its the gay future. you can't put your foot down on gays the next day you will get furries and trannies.
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>>77902182
On what basis are you judging a rational choice if not on the basis of self interest?
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>>77902200
Mentally ill degenerates generally have poor judgement.
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>>77899034
>Why is this manlet so inconsistent?
because he is literally a faggot

a complete hypocrite waste of organic material
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>>77902278
Rationality refers to what is logical, not what is beneficial.
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>>77902326
What is logical action for humans if not achieving the greatest degree of happiness?
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>>77899034
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>>77899814
It's abnormal, but it isn't irrational or destructive. Transsexualism is all three.
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>>77900349
>no, not everyone is a [insert time-appropriate insult for the 1950s]
but now there we are

you see this goes many ways
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>>77902444
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>>77899034
one step at a time
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Becouse he is a numale homosexual. And it is vice versa, nearly all gays are mentally ill.
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>>77902451
That explains the abnormally high gay suicide rate.
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>>77902444
very nice dick. shame on God for not giving me exactly like that.
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>>77902787

The fuck is this senpai?
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>>77902852

Uncle T-Bone art \m/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tyd2HxO0ks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNGK7FHiDFk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cph0WOdVCNg
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>>77902852
That is why you don't fuck vacuum cleaner attachments.
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http://streetcarnage.com/blog/terry-richardson-raped-me-too/

http://thoughtcatalog.com/gavin-mcinnes/2014/05/10-things-the-media-gets-wrong-about-photographer-terry-richardson/
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>>77899034
he shoves a dildo up his arse, what do you expect from degenerates
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>>77902932

I'm still confused senpai please explain senpai
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>>77902970
pretty fine tits, eve though they are prob fake
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>>77902970
that picture can't more american.
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>>77899499
Mcinnes founded Vice you fucking retard, i think he is a little bit more successful than sam hyde
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https://vimeo.com/155612866

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ee_1456460665

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720BFYfRbIY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA282wVgAV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FQyluthfR4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygv4VXxhmM
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>>77903052
>can't BE more american
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>homosexuality is a mental illness
>racism is not
kys /pol/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwOdSqF8dI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeEVt_w_AdE
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>>77903076
Racism is a product of intelligence. It's founded on the recognition of patterns in behaviour.
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>>77899034
Gay people don't disfigure their bodies and inject poison.
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>>77903225
They kill themselves at a very high rate.
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>>77903184
>Racism is a product of intelligence.
And homosexuality isn't? A lot of gay guys actually just don't want to deal with the stupid drama bullshit that comes with women. It's a turn off.

Racism is a product of paranoia and insecurity.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbvDRY0O30E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuG2XAPRLwY
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>>77902444
why
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>>77903269
Yeah, I'd probably kill myself too if I was a faggot.
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>>77903280
You don't know what intelligence is. If over 50% of blacks committ violent crime then it is safe to presumr that a random nigger is likely to committ a violent crime.
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>>77902326
So I'm guessing you gave up because you know you are fighting a losing argument.
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>>77903385
>implying black = nigger
Nigger is a category of behavior, not a race you fucking idiot. You're as dumb as a nigger
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>>77903397
More like a futile argument. You don't even know what rationality is and you presumed hedonism was a universal law.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQXTt_eGBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocdut3uhh9Y
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZs2WpFOlXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aPz7LLys4A
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>>77899034
What did he mean by this?
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>>77903461
Nigger is a quality of race and behavior.
A white nigger is a whigger.
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>>77903672
Semantics. Not an argument
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>>77903461
Nigger is slang for a black 'person'. Since when does nigger only refer to blacks you dislike? My point still stands, by the way.
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>>77903672
No it isn't. It means black, like the Latin neger.
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>>77903069
>At the peak of this dark, dark, dark chucklefest I said, with tears pouring down my face, “Hey, anybody know what time it is?” and revealed I had drawn a clock face on my phallus. Before you knew it, the camera was out and the film inside it raped me.
- Gavin

source: http://streetcarnage.com/blog/terry-richardson-raped-me-too/
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>>77903745
>>77903780
Maybe to you, but you seem to think like a dumb nigger to me.

>implying nigger is a latin word
Australian shitposting at its worst
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>>77903636
So what is rationality. You are unable to answer that question, yet it is what you base your entire argument on. I believe it is rational for humans to behave in a way that makes them happy. If you do not believe this is rational behavior, then please tell me what rational behavior is in humans (without using words like "logic" because both rationality and logic mean basically the same thing).
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>>77903461
>american niggers are this deluded
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>>77903907
Right almost as deluded as those stupid fucking Micks.
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>>77903885
Neger is Latin. That's what I said.
Nigger behaviour, as you see it, is the result of lack of intelligence in blacks (niggers).
>>77903886
I already answered that. It is what is logical.
>>77903844
Who are those liberal capitalist faggots?
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>>77904051
So are you just a shitposter or did you not read the bottom half of my post.
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>>77903280
What kind of idiotic fuckin' argument is that? Lol so homosexuals are so worried about dealing with women so they fuck a hole full of shit? Sounds like a product of insecurity and paranoia to me. You're projecting.
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They're both mental illnesses, it's just that homosexuality is just less harmful than transexuality
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>>77904051
>Nigger behaviour, as you see it, is the result of lack of intelligence
>in blacks
>implying ONLY blacks can be niggers
No. You have a lot to learn you dumb cunt
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>>77904082
>answer me without using the answer because I don't like it
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>>77899780
>Masturbating is a mental illness
>
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>>77904102
Don't worry anon. You're too ugly on the inside for gays to want to get your booty. Rest easy
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Uhuru

Who /Proud Boy/ here?
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>>77903029
T-Bone's best pal is Gavin:

http://terrysdiary.com/post/70595887567/gavin-being-a-model-citizen
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>>77899034
It's because Gavin's just an edgy hipster that needed a new niche to cash in on and he's found one in the "alt-right"
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>>77904154
Okay fine then, define logical. However be aware that if you use a word akin to rational then your argument is completely circular.
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I identify as a lizard, yet i'm bisexual. Any ideas on how this will go in the future?
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>>77904127
I guess some Indians and Abos are pretty black, so maybe they can be niggers. But as a whole, only niggers committ the violent crimes they do at such a rate. They are certainly inferior to northern Europeans, southern Europeans, Arabs, Asians, and native Americans. They're the stupidest surviving race by a long way.
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>>77904271
Niggers are a race...


LMAO GTFO
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>>77904271
Most niggers happen to be black, yes. But they don't exclusively get to be the only niggers in the world. What are you, some kind of nigger?
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>>77904258
Logic is reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
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>>77904367
Could have least acknowledged the many sub-species of NIGGERS.
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>>77904197
Wow, it really hurts me on an emotional level to know that some men wouldn't want to stick their cock in my asshole. What is the rationale behind anal? Is it because taking a shit feels relieving? Do you guys think that it'll work in reverse? Gosh, that doesn't sound too bad, now that I think about it. Guess #I'mWithMilo now
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>>77904426
Okay, by that definition, how is homosexuality irrational? How can homosexuality be judged valid or invalid?
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>>77899499
>founded Vice
>regularly appears on Fox

Calm down, Sam.
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>>77904457
Ever hear of this thing called your prostate? If you stimulate it then you can orgasm and cum without even touching your dick.
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>>77904426
Are you talking about breeding?

Homos breed and they can breed more logically than the status quo.

Instead of finding a mate based on love or emotion, fag couples and dyke couple go through a rigorous logical selection process to pick the best genetic material from the other pool without emotions clouding the validity of their strict homo principles.
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>>77904367
No, I'm white. Whites can be bad, but not niggers. Niggers are blacks. It just means a black 'person'. A black person in a suit and tie doing charity work is still a nigger. Stop trying to justify your bullshit anti-racism, neo-/pol/ scum. Blacks are a stupid, barbaric, and wholly sub-human race of violent apes.
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>>77904673
No, see, you're a fucking nigger. Life isn't black and white just because you want it to be you dumb cunt
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>>77904608
Ever heard of this thing called a vagina? If you stimulate it, then you can cum without even touching your dick. Neat little trick I learned in Health Class.
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>>77904253
i used to hate Terry Richardson's photography because it was so crass and cheap and just borderline porn.

But it's grown on me alot, nobody really does the shit he does, it's punk rock as fuck and unrelentingly honest. There's nothing but the camera involved and takes shit down to the most primal shit men wanna see.

It's endearing.
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>>77904488
Because you're killing your genes. That violates, 1. Natural law, and 2. Self preservation.
>>77904672
See above. Fags raising someone else's child isn't logical. It's a sign of a failed human being to raise another's child.
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>>77904753
I'm white, I can't be a nigger. Fuck off back to twittee, neo-/pol/ faggot. Take your liberal capitalist anti-racist rhetoric back to your cuck shed.
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>>77904755
You're preaching to the choir btw. Just pointing out some facts about anatomy.
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>>77904762
>punk rock
>as fuck
You're a kike puppet.
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>>77904865
Your triggered tears are delicious. /pol/ isn't your safe zone you little bitch
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>>77904908
I'm not the one trying to insinuate that nigger doesn't refer to blacks. I'm merely pointing out your error and calling you out for the capitalist cuck you are.
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>>77904788
If you want to use those 2 examples, then you must first prove their validity on a rational basis. Why is natural law logical (Which I am admittedly unfamiliar with), why is self preservation logical? Why is suicide inherently irrational?
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>>77899034

>transsexuals are mentally ill

they consider themselves to be something they are not - delusion is a mental illnes

>gays aren't

gays have certain sexual preferences when it comes to who they fuck


the two are not placed on the same plate m8
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>>77905007
Look, I'm not your teacher. Natural Law is high school philosophy. I'm not going to waste my time on you, kid. I'm here for an actual discussion.
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>>77904897
nah fuck off cunt.
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>>77904984
>i am the sole authority on words and phrases
>y-you're wrong to disagree with me!
oh I'm laffin
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>>77899034
one requires much more fucked up perception of reality than the other, apparently
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>>77905083
They're both fetishist perverts with high suicide rates.
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>>77899499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myk7n93OObE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUQ47jp7vsA
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>>77904866
Same here, friendo.
>>77904908
All black people are niggers, but not all niggers are black. That good enough for ya?
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>>77905105
Bogan.
>>77905110
Do you even know where nigger comes from? From negre, French for black. Negre comes from the Latin neger, also meaning black.
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>>77905102
It seems you place rationalism in high regard, yet you are unwilling to enlighten someone on what rationalism is. I think that is quite contradictory.
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>>77905254
Nigger means black, retard. A monkey in a suit is still a monkey.
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>>77905313
That does not logically follow. Holding something in high regard does NOT imply a willingness to share it.
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>>77904788
You need to people to breed, everyone has to rais someone else's child, it is how the process of procreation works.

Each fag and each dyke gets their own kid with their DNA and the DNA of a pair selected logically based principled criteria. With breakthroughs in chimerism you can even inject some of your fag lover's DNA into the mix.
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>>77905254
I'm white and pan so neither of these things bother me

>>77905287
"Nigger" comes from white racists. You're literally retarded
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>>77904762
rock out with your cock out \m/
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>>77905423
What is the origin of the term 'white racists' and how does it relate to nigger? Nigger comes from negre, that is undisputable. We're talking about language here, you stupid faggot.
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>>77902493
do you have the one where he shoves a butt plug up his ass?
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>>77905372
If you wish for society to be rational, then it is logical to take steps to make society more rational. If rationalism flourishes with many different minds contributing then bringing the ideas to many different people is logical.
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>>77905684
>If you wish for society to be rational
That is not my wish. Never have I stated that. I despise western civilisation in its current form and eagerly await its demise.
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>>77905567
here you go http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/71338506/#71338506
https://m.imgur.com/a/MQraN
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>>77901022
Under 6'2 is manlet
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>>77905868
Okay. I'm 6'5.
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>>77905814
So you support an irrational society, or no society at all?
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>>77906004
An irrational society dies and leaves an opening for a new, better one.
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>>77906061
And that new, better one would be which kind of society?
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>>77904897

-A Conversation Between Two Worlds-
by Gavin Mclnnes and Olivier Zahm

No art book would be complete without an analysis of the work by an erudite art critic. Since Terry Richardson is unique in his ability to take high art to jaded teenagers while simultaneously forcing the fashion and art elite to appreciate the dirtiest shit you’ve ever seen, we selected critics to represent both sides of the Richardson enigma.
In this corner we have the irreverent and retarded Gavin Mclnnes of New York’s Vice Magazine. His cultural opponent is the sophisticated Parisian editor of Purple Magazine, Olivier Zahm. Can a conversation between these two learned academics help us understand the genius that is Terry Richardson? Read and decide.
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>>77905328
Lol yeah, I am agreeing with you. I said all black people are niggers. I stated it clearly. But I said not all niggers are black. Such as Mohammad the goat lover or Kenji the chihuahua fryer.
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Gavin: One of my favorite things about Terry’s photos is the imperfections. I like seeing a zit on a girl’s ass. I think everyone does. It reminds me of that Thomas Jefferson quote, “There is not a truth existing which I fear, or would want unknown to the whole world.”

Olivier: Because Terry is shooting in an instinctive, immediate, almost physical way, he catches the smallest detail as a force, as a proof that you cannot control life. His pictures demonstrate how life and desire and sex are stronger than the typical visual construction the fashion industry insists on. The fact that he is working for this very industry adds another crucial layer. The imperfections in his photographs help take down the standard of glamour and high fashion. But more than imperfections, to me, one of my favorite things in his photos is the perfection of the frame: he is cutting the reality in a sharp, definitive, brilliant line, extracting the moment and movement of life from its vital flux. This is brilliant and unique. No other photographer is sharper in this sense.
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>>77905957
Same. I just needed to make sure you knew the manlet cutoff
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>>77906124
Racially pure, socialist, strict, socially conservative.
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Gavin: I never thought of the framing thing. The way he’ll zoom in on a pair of tits so close you can see there’s kind of some hairs on them. I was interviewed about him for one of these corny liberal modern sex shows and they were implying that Terry was a feminist because he was making “ugly” beautiful. l had to clarify that most of these women are still total fucking knockouts.
This isn’t some lesbian anarchist collective. They’re still the same supermodels that are on every other page of Vogue, only here, they’re making coffee with rubber boots on, or putting a tit on a watermelon. ln a way thats more subversive because you never see people like this portrayed so honestly. So yeah, you get Dennis Hopper with no blemishes removed, and then, on top of that, he has this weird close up that drives home how unusual the shot is even more. lt’s a double whammy…

Olivier: Let’s be honest. Terry’s pictures are definitely not feminist. They are as politically “incorrect” as pictures get. He is not glamorizing women’s power, beauty or strength. He is more portraying female beauty from a male perspective. Instead of trying to celebrate femininity they are focusing on the use of masculinity (his own subjective view of women) within fashion iconography.

Gavin: Most of the critics that hate him (I’m picturing sexless, lonely, thirty-something women with sandals) say hes just fucking girls, but with a camera in his hand.
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>>77906161
Those aren't niggers. They're shit, but they're not black just because they fuck goats and eat animals.
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>>77905287
slick comeback there champ, project harder.
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>>77906279

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Olivier: I have heard women say Terry’s work is just an expression of the typical male obsession for sex and a celebration of the camera as an extension of his phallus, but this is a very reductive definition of his work.
First, his pictures are a form of visual humor. Second, he is always sharing real emotion with his model. They are not objects or sexual props. The photos aren’t even about that. They are an experiment, an examination of the interaction between a photographer and his models in this age of media, fashion, self-obsession and narcissistic paranoia. He keeps pushing these dialectic structures (man/woman, photographer/model,
phallic/non-phallic) as far as he can until the difference between “art” and “fashion” becomes totally blurred.
You don’t know what is real and what is constructed. When the critics make it a competition and become obsessed with choosing the winner (the photographer or the model) they make it so ideological it becomes uninteresting. Terry’s experimentation is about subverting this dual structure and documenting an intimate relationship with the model. Where can he take it? Where can he take it today? What are the limits of the game? What will the viewers call fashion and what will they call art? Will they reject the images entirely and censor him? That is the experiment.

Gavin: It’s also reductive to assume it’s all about shock value. I remember when the Sex Pistols were on Bill Grundy (host of Thames Today, a London television show of the 1970s) and he accused them of swearing just to shock people. They pointed out that this is the way they talk every day. There’s no premeditation about it. They were just being honest.
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>>77899034
>i get consistently turned on by X
vs
>I have certain chromosomes, but I'm just going to pretend I have the opposite.
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>>77906332

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Olivier: That is a crucial element of this whole thing. His pictures are totally honest. They don’t hide anything. They don’t pretend to be what they are not. In this sense they are a political statement too. It’s not pornographic because it reveals how the rest of photography today is pornographic. By having these images in a commercial context they act as a Trojan horse that transcends the original format. They sneak the viewer a moment of truth.

Gavin: When I look at art I don’t give a shit about the artist’s lifestyle but Terry is an exception to that. The whole dichotomy of lowbrow and high art comes from the ups and downs of his fucked up past.
Half his life is wealthy snobberdom. Hes the son of a fashion photographer and was born in New York but moved to Paris at an early age. It was all celebrities and travel and art until his parents’ marriage exploded after his father had an affair with a 17-year-old Anjelica Huston.
The other half of his life was about being dirt poor and playing in esoteric punk bands, getting addicted to drugs with no family around to care. It’s a weird combination of homeless orphan and uptown rich kid that you rarely see in an artist. Is he where he is today because of luck or was it his destiny?

Olivier: It’s a hard question to answer. Sometimes the images are light and have no purpose other than to amuse. Sometimes they are profound and portray love as a fissure of pain and murder. He is at once a careless street kid and a misanthropic Lacanien. They float in the limbo of rapport and are essentially a documentation of the gap between person and portrait. ls it hatred or an irrepressible jouissance? I don’t know.
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>>77906362
They're both sexually deviant, perverted fetishists who commit suicide at abnormally high rates.
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Homosexuality is just a simple perversion, but if you think you're another gender or species, you might have some bigger problems going on.

But I say fuck Gavin! cuz I'm a le contrarian, and in-fighting is always good for our (bowel) movement.
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>>77899034
>compare two mental illnesses
>hurr durr one is better then the other
>ignore the fact they are both mental illnesses
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>>77906400

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Gavin: I just like laughing at poo and fantasizing about fucking the hot girls. It’s the only kind of porn I can enjoy these days.

Olivier: But Terry’s pictures are never pornographic.

Gavin: Oh.
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>>77906428
still doesnt change that facts of what I stated.
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>>77906431
Gavin is a liberal, capitalist, anti-racist, degenerate, manlet shill. I share no movement with him.
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>>77906497

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Olivier: Pornography is the way sex is commercialized by a repressive machine in an isolated ghetto of pictures (on the net, in magazines, films, etc.). Pornography is an industry of repression, a collective enterprise of profit. It’s a visual industry which kidnaps sex as a product for frustrated men.
Terry is actually working against pornography because he is reintroducing desire, seduction and playful sexuality, in real life, in real time, in the studio. He is photographing sex as a real interaction between him and his model. He is not playing the scenario of sexual pornographic control and alienation. He is part of the game. We can see one arm of Terry with his watch, one hand, sometimes his body, sometimes his penis, etc. He refuses the stereotypical function of the porn picture. By placing himself in the picture he is suppressing the illusion of domination and joining the frame. It should be noted however that Terry is not trying to demystify sexuality. He’s just lightening up the whole subject and creating a more equal rapport between photographer and model. A photographer going in front of the camera is not enough, just like the factory owner from the Pasolini film ‘Theorem’ deciding to join the workers is not enough. What is required is a sacrifice like in every film of Pasolini. A sacrifice of the artist who knows that he must sacrifice himself to the system, the fashion system, the pornographic system. The artist must face it with no fear.
Pornography is not only fake, stupid and dangerous, it does not exist. It’s a pure construction, an illusion. Terry’s pictures are the opposite of that. They are deconstructing this faux veneer. That is why it’s so infuriating to hear the press call his work “porn chic” or “porn glamour”.

Gavin: Yeah.
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>>77899034

In a few years he will be saying

>Trannies are fine but pedos are bad

Then when pedos are fully normalized by the left

>Pedos are fine but people who are fucking animals are just taking it too far
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>>77906500
They're both mental illnesses. Schizophrenia may not have the same symptoms as depression but they're both mental illnesses.
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>>77899034
It's because both liberals and alt righters base their judgements on aesthetics.

Liberals will only tell you transexuality is 100 percent okay without any debate if they've never seen a sexual reassignment before or have seen some bad instances where young children regret starting a transition.

Alt righters think trannies are simply ill and gays aren't because there is no procedure needed for gays to feel 'whole'.

The core reason is very banal despite these people using arguments to obfuscate this fact.
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>>77899034
>transsexuals are mentally ill
>gays aren't
>Why is this manlet so inconsistent?

Gays views are coherent with reality, they're attracted to other men and have sexual relationships with men so homosexuality is rational.

Trans people are people who are male but believe they are female (or vice versa) which is not coherent with reality.
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>>77899780
Not wanting to have kids is a mental illness? Lots of gays want to have kids, they just have no interest in having to interact with gross girl bits to do it.
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>>77906681
The definition of mental illness is not necessarily incoherency with reality, as in delusion. It can be a range of disorders and abnormalities that still keep you intact with your senses.
Furthermore one can argue that sexual behavior that cannot produce what sexuality was made for, children, IS incoherency with reality.
Last point is that Homosexuality has a correlation with many other harmful mental conditions.
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fags dont voluntarily have their genitals mutilated and then tell everyone that they're another gender
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>>77907262
So what? How does that make them any less mentally ill?
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>>77907436
Less, yeah. But still mentally ill
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>>77907018
No but incoherent with reality is what differentiates the 2 positions and is not without meaning. I'm not convinced all trans people are delusional but some of them absolutely are.

Sexual behaviour is performed for more reasons than simply reproduction, people have sex recreationally and providing you have no expectations of pregnancy from gay sex then it remains rational and in accord with reality.

Homosexuality correlates with all sorts of things, it even correlates with higher IQ, but correlation doesn't always equal causation.
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>>77907481
Not less. They're different disorders with different symptoms.
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>>77907597
Incoherent with reality is what differentiates the 2 positions, I agree, but it only means that homosexuality is less severe.
There is difference between having sex without planning children, and having sex that has no ability to produce children at all. And for the record I think that promiscuous sexual behavior is also a sign of mental deficiencies.
At any case, I reject the notion that homosexuality should be tolerated in the west.
>>77907799
You talk as if you don't believe there is a hierarchy of severity.
I'm not saying one is to be excused, both need to be treated, but transsexuality is simply more harmful.
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>>77906681
Trans have to spout that they are women trapped in mans body to cet hormones and surgery. They are actially gay men with a peculiar fetish.

Amongst themselves they convonce each other it is what they really believe. They also try to convince those who fuck them that they are straight. If they are mentally ill it is a mass hysteria.

And gays weren't borm gay. At some point(s) choice(s) were made, feelings nurtured or allowed to die, even early on.

They just say they were born that way because some who would judge them feel hesitant to do so if gay were not a choice.
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>>77908000
And oranges are more citric than apples. It is irrelevant.
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Both are just perverse fetishes. Degenerate and disgusting, but not morally wrong unless you force it down everyone's throats (lol) which libshits are doing, trying to make a man in a dress able to creep on your wife and sister in the bathrom.
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Were the Greeks and Romans degenerate?
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>>77908395
Yes. They also weren't white.
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Gavin doesn't really think homosexuals are normal just like us. He just doesn't want to lose his job and get chased out of New York city.
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>>77908489
He's still a liberal capitalist and an anti-rackst shill.
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>>77908462
stop trolling.
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>>77908609
Spotted a wog.
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>>77901307
why are these two selfproclaimed catholics while doing degenerate shit like that?

Milo must be a scheming jew defiling christianity by being a degenerate & devout.

fuck these guys
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>>77899034

>transsexuals are mentally ill
>gays aren't

There's nothing inconsistent there. Transexuals imagine they are something they are not - Gays simply have a preference.

>Thinking you're Christ reborn
>Preferring cats to dogs

One is a delusion the other is a simple preference. Not difficult to grasp the difference.
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>>77906797
>gross girl bits
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>>77908805
Gays are sexually deviant perverts who commit suicide at high rates.
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>>77899034

Gavin probably is gay:

>used to fuck girls with shane smith, one time his disgusting penis went inside shanes condom
>put a buttplug up his own ass live on stream
>photos of him kissing dudes
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>>77905567
God that picture.

>people don't choose their sexual preference! You don't choose to be a transexual or gay!
>Why are you not attracted to this manwoman? So what if you're straight, that's not excuse!

My head hurts
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Why are there so many threads shilling for this borderline commie?
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>>77909579
>commie
pro trump
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>>77908805
Gays don't just simply have a preferance. We wouldn't be here today if homosexuality was the norm.
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>>77909512

Is that supposed to be Gavin? The tattoos aren't right.
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>>77908000
Well I disagree, I don't think it's an issue of severity, at play here it's not that gays are delusional but to some different degree, we understand that homosexuality is not a delusion at all, and in fact it's perfectly natural in nature at pretty much the same rate it occurs in humans.

The point remains that it's completely rational for gays to desire to have sex for sexual gratification only with no expectation of children to the same degree as it is for straight couples. And let's face it of the thousands of times sexual intercourse occurs among straight partners the overwhelming number of them are for recreation and not attempting to have children. Gays are generally more promiscuous than straight couples but that's becuase men have a higher sex drive than women, if the average women matched the sex drive of the average men you'd not see much difference in rates of sex between straight and gay couples.

Accusing the majority of the population as being mentally deficient because they enjoy recreational sex is just stupid.

>>77908051
I don't know that's true, the science points towards both gay and transsexual traits coming from irreversible changes to brain structure that are caused during fetal development because of exposure to abnormal amount of testosterone.

I give out this video to people who don't understand the science behind it, its extremely well sourced from published and peer reviewed paper on the relevant topics, it's not very long and gives you a broad education on the topic.

http://media01.commpartners.com/AMA/sexual_identity_jan_2011/index.html
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>>77903052
But Gavin is British-Canadian.
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>>77906129
>>77906235
>>77906279
>>77906332
>>77906400
>>77906497
>>77906551
what the fuck is wrong with these people?

how can they bullshit so much with a straight face?
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>>77902787
what the fuck is wrong with the tip of his penis, why is it so long and weird?
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>>77910689

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John Waters:
I heard that Terry Richardson was doing the photo shoot for this piece. Did you see his book, Terryworld? Did you look through it? And are you going to show your dick in this photo shoot?

Johnny Knoxville:
Uh, Terry might already have some photos of that! [both laugh]


John Waters:
What luck for the editors of GENRE! Well, Terry’s is a great book. He always shows his own dick! It seems like he’s the only photographer who, judging from his book, shows up nude with a hard-on to take your picture. That’s a refreshing new twist, I guess, in a shoot.

Johnny Knoxville:
Yeah, he’s got a monster cock on him, for sure. And his assistant, Keiichi, will stand there with his cock out, playing with it, while Terry’s shooting.

==========================

https://web.archive.org/web/20060117030549/http://www.genremagazine.com/2005/7-1/magazine/content/knoxville.cfm
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>>77900050
>This is a National Socialist board.
No, we put up with you because you're funny.
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>>77910903
because the kike$ didn't cut Gavin
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how you all feel about this:
http://terrysdiary.com/search/miley
is she a slut?
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