Hey, I get the memes and laugh too, but you are aware of the fact that crime primarily comes from social inequalities right?
You can say "niggers this", "mudslimes that", but you do get this, right?
>inb4 bait
>inb4 hurr durr you are a commie
>>77877405
Crime comes from lack of jobs in poorer communities.
>trying to argue common sense educated knowledge on /pol/
It's a bold move cotton we'll see how it works out for him
>>77877405
Retarded Texas. If you're poor, you have 2 choices:
>crime
>work your ass to get AT LEAST to mid-income
Crime exists because some people want the easiest path to wealth
>>77877405
who built the boats? who worked in the accompanying supply chains?
I've never heard it put better and more accurately than:
>“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
― Ronald Wright, A Short History of Progress
Only slight problem is it's not just the poor, but everyone who isn't a billionaire.
>>77877802
oh man. This alone shows how ignorant you are. Don't you recognize a country that's nearly next to you? Come on man. Also, a state flag?
Regarding your argument (or lack of), you base your reasoning on the premise that people are reasonably enabled to do the right thing. That is not so, not by far. If A implyes B, you cannot do A and not expect B. Get what I mean latinoamerican brother?
>>77877405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5YWLpCwuYc&list=PL6C49AFE17F53F60D&index=6
I grew up poor, I never committed crimes.. your argument is invalid.
>>77877405
You deserve a helicopter ride
>>77877926
kek
Taking the chance to ask, anyone has ever heard of solid proof of this? It's vox populi but I've tried to look for a scientific paper proving this and failed. Starting soon my phd thesis on this, if somebody else has it it's gonna fucking ruin me
>>77878214
nopenopenope
Fallacy
I never said poor, I said socialy marginated. It is true that most poor people are socially marginated, but not all of them. Also, my aseveration was about the large majority of people, not the totalyty of them.
>>77877405
>crime primarily comes from social inequalities.
And social inequality is caused by race, you retarded spic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqqmzuuRUm8&index=2&list=PL6C49AFE17F53F60D
>>77878424
Excuse the typos, currently drunk
>>77878569
It's like poetry..
>>77878473
Oh my god. How is that so? Enlight me please.
The fact that some races commit more crime than others is due to the fact that the majority of them are socially marginated.
>>77878482
sorry
see this >>77878569
>>77878424
>I never said poor, I said socialy marginated.
In America, there is no more socially marginalized group that poor whites. I'm not sure how it is in Chile, but in America, nigs and spics and all other groups get tons of special treatment to attempt to elevate them. Poor whites are basically forgotten about and left to rot in small towns all throughout the country. No ones cares about them, no one crusades for them, and no one talks about them. There are barely any special interest groups to advocate for poor whites. There are barely any think-tanks established to study the problem of poor whites.
And yet, despite all of that, they still commit crimes at much lower rates than "marginalized" nigs and spics. And they still do better in school and score higher on achievement tests.
>>77878715
>marginated.
Sounds tasty.
>>77878818
Where do I begin.
1. Are you implying that poor marginalized withe people don't commit crimes? Hope you are not.
2. There are waaaayyy latino, black, etc marginalized people than whites. So, the numbers are higher. Simple as that
>>77878939
kek, sorry
>>77878818
Brother, he'll never understand you.
Ooga booga! White man make bad voodoo for brown people!
>>77877405
daily reminder that race correlates with crime rates better than income level and education level
>>77879140
Ha! Beat you to it!>>77878473
The thing is that it is important to get this point across. Like super duper important. Because even if we mean well, it's pointless if we lose focus. Where do you think the focus is?
>>77878715
>its because they are poor
>>77879007
>1. Are you implying that poor marginalized withe people don't commit crimes? Hope you are not.
No. I am merely saying that poor whites in america commit crimes at lower rates than blacks and hispanics. And this is backed up by all the data.
2. There are waaaayyy latino, black, etc marginalized people than whites. So, the numbers are higher. Simple as that
Not true, in America. There are more total whites living in poverty than there are blacks and hispanics PERIOD, of all classes.
You have to remember, there are only about 35 million blacks in the USA, total. Rich, poor, middle class, they only make up 12% of the population. There are more than 35 million poor whites.
>>77877405
Then why are the poor in East Asia so lawful?
Japan is safe enough for six-year-olds to navigate Tokyo.
>>77879140
statistics may or may not be your friends. In your case they are not. The correlation you've mentioned is not independent on (from? forgot my pronouns) marginalization
>>77879356
Again retard, poverty \neq marginalization. What are the standards for poverty in USA (America a continent btw)? I'm sure that most of them have some sort of social inclusion. I'm sure that most of them are not feared by the general population
>>77879377
Asia in general has deep rooted marginalization. Japan has really high social inclusion. Also, japanese are not human, idk
>>77877405
I would tell you that crime arises more from a lack of opportunity than social inequality
>when the legal path to success or growth is inaccessible to you, you try the illegal one
another thing that makes the illegal path more appealing than the legal one is the non-existence of taxes on the income which allows criminals to make money at a much faster rate than legal taxed earners (even the rich will do crimes to avoid taxes)
>>77879681
I feel like you are arguing that it is impossible for white people to be marginalized in America, which simply isn't true. Trust me, I live here.
Poor whites are extremely marginalized. They are made fun of constantly in the media and popular culture. It is "cool" to hate rednecks and hillbillies. It is fashionable to mock them as idiots and inbred and losers. They are hated and feared. And it is pefectly socially acceptable. The term "white trash" can be thrown around in offices and in schools, without repercussions. Try saying one bad thing about a black or a hispanic, and you're finished.
Trust me, that's just how it is here.
>>77879377
Sorry, read "awful" insted of "lawful". They are not lawful. There may be a difference with western societies, but that's only because they are convinced that they came to this life to sacrifice. Don't know really why.
>>77877405
So rich people don't commit crimes?
Freakonomics debunked this already. Less inequality of property leads to less property crime. It has no effect on violent crime.
>>77877405
https://cincinnatiisadump.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/crime-is-caused-by-poverty-enter-white-appalacha/
>>77877405
White Appalachia
Crime comes primarily from niggers, not social inequities.
>>77879975
No, I'm arguing numbers. Just that. Marginalized non white people >> marginalized white people :::> non whites commit more crimes than whites
>>77880131
Maybe in Chile this is true, but it's not in America.
>>77879294
>poor
more like culture, things like niggers growing up in ghettos where they learn that smoking pot and joning a gang is cool, instead of going to school, getting a job and contributing to society while having a decent life
>>77880052
>freakonomics
If that shit book is what they teach americans, it would explain a lot
>>77880500
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF
>>77877405
If you won't name the jew get out
>>77877405
What solution would you propose then?
I'M WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER.
>>77880052
Cite please, like to read. Most likely is using statistics the wrong way, but still
>>77877405
First of all, you mean inequality, and second, no it doesn't. You're just fucking stupid. Life isn't fair, there's always going to be someone with more money than you.
>>77880223
What is not true in "America"
>inb4 america a continent
>>77877405
>more white people in poverty than niggers
>niggers still commit more murders
>niggers from wealthy families average the same SAT score as white people from poor families
To blame niggers being such ignorant savages soley on socioeconomic factors is retarded.
>>77880296
they turn out the same either way. Have you heard of the Minnesota trans-racial adoption studies?
>>77877405
There is only one thing that creates crime, the laws. Think about that, poornigger.
>>77879294
Ok, this is why I want to do serious reaserch in this, so this is not an issue anymore. Listen, once more, marginalizarion \neq poverty
>>77880024
can't even
>inb4 tumblr
The majority of crime can be traced back to IQ. The lesser races, on average, are just fucking stupid. They literally cannot conceive of delayed gratification or altruism. You can educate them all you want - push them through to get a PhD even. But no amount of education will change their psychological inability to plan ahead.
You can't fix stupid.
>>77877405
zurdo de mierda
>>77880820
I'm working on it. Like seriously. The answer is non trivial and requires work. Intuitively, I can tell you that pretty much capitalism = crime. But still have to prove it tho
>>77880852
Expand your argument to a non primate level and we'll argue. Someone with more money than you \neq being outside of society
>>77881025
I feel you're only going to accept a definition of "marginalization" that minimizes the marginalization of poor white people and over-emphasizes blacks and hispanics.
It's not really a fair way to argue. You can't just claim control of the dictionary. It's kind of like how BLM and college jews claim that the only valid definition of racism excludes racism against white people.
Sure, it's easy to win an argument when you take such a position. But it's not very genuine.
>>77881025
blacks dont just magically start behaving differently when they are the majority. Look at homogenus black countries
>>77881025
Define socially marginalized
>>77881195
Good luck on your undergrad research, m80.
>>77881195
Capitalism = crime because capitalism defines theft as crime.
It's not crime under communism because the state does it.
>>77877405
Literally how the fuck are rich people ruining your life?
Protip:
>they aren't
>>77881011
Shut up Finland, you have no social exclusion whatsoever so whatever shit you do works. Hats off tho, you made it. Wish my country could bail out of external debt (my country is Uruguay, not Chile. Still)
>>77881025
>i don't understand the concept of personal responsibility
Keep making excuses
>>77881144
And you really believe it has nothing to do with the environment they grow up in? development in the first 5 years is crucial for the rest of your fucking livessss
>>77881186
>inb4 u mad 7-0
>>77877405
Wrong. Poor whites have a much lower crime rate than poor blacks. The same goes for spics. If you'd done any research at all, you'd know that spics outnumber and are poorer than black people in the US, yet they commit far less crime.
>>77881528
What does socially marginalized mean senpai
>>77881500
also different races have different averages of hormonal levels, and
hormones can be linked to crime.
>>77879681
>America a continent btw
>I'm a snarky smart-ass lololol
United States of America is called America just like Mexican United States is called Mexico just like Republic of Chile is called Chile. Go be stupid somewhere else.
>>77881298No. NO. NO. I can't tell you some simple index because I haven't figured it out yet. But come on, you have to know what I'm talking about. Marginalization= being outside of society = people fearing you just by sight = people crossing the street when they see you = et fucking cetera
>>77881311
Black countries have been drained out by europe and your fucking country to the ground. Literally almost. Take away the food and they'll kill each other for the crumbles
>>77881358
First of all, I'm not a communist. There are more than 2 ideologies you know. Second, expand your premise please. What kind of crimes are you speaking about?
>>77881327
phd, but thanks still
>>77881500
Yes. And intelligent individual raise in a shithole will eventually think, "this social climate is dangerous to me," and attempt to leave. Further, he will try to avoid the social scenarios that lead to danger (and thus avoid the local society in general) until he can get out.
Dumb people see everyone being assholes and think, "oh I can be an asshole" without realizing that being an asshole is hazardous to your health.
>>77877405
>he doesnt have a boat boat
>>77877405
>Hey, I get the memes and laugh too, but you are aware of the fact that crime primarily comes from social inequalities right?
Wrong, crime comes primarily from criminals.
You don't have to look far to see that even the richest of the rich have people who commit crimes in their ranks. Look no further than the entertainment industry, which creates dozens of winners at life who promptly throw it all away and end up in prison.
There is zero reason for the top 10% of income earners to be 100% crime-free in everything that they do. Yet, there is still a consistent trend of crime even in that upper bracket.
>>77881399
Mine? Mine is going quite well, in spite of my country being in a deep as shit fake external debt imposed in the dictatorship period my the usa-commanded militia (again, I'm for Uruguay, but here the situation is the same)
>>77877405
Really, then why do when you compare people with equal levels of poverty do you find that the darker the skin the worse they still behave?
Also, there is reason to believe that skin pigmentation directly affects aggression. See some science, bitch:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840
>>77879681
>social inclusion
Is this the new "we're all the same" meme?
It's just vague and flexible enough to not be instantly debunked by the facts.
How about the 90% black cities? Are they being not "included" there?
Of course, because there's no actual clear definition for this. Because it's not about reaching truth, it's about "plausible" deniability for those that hate the reality.
>>77881410
You can't ask for duties if you don't give rights
>>77881860
Africans were never advanced pre-European contact, nearly every other culture that lived near shorlines developed ships, Africans, despite having tons of natural resources, did not. they didn't even have written languages, some didn't even have the wheel or had even constructed two story buildings, so please tell me, what was "opressing" them then?
>>77881795
This related how?
>>77882007
No. It may be that way once in a million times, but to expect that to happen is retarded. If daddy hates society most likely you are going to hate it as well. Be real faggot
>>77881758
That shit you said doesn't happen to any black people except for the ones who adopt and adhere to the ghetto lifestyle/culture (or at least look like they do). As a white man who hates niggers, I can tell you from experience that every fucking white person in America goes out of their way to be as least racist as possible, since being labeled a racist is the end of your social life and probably your career.
If that is what you call "marginalized" then they only black peo you that are marginalized look, speak and act like criminals, even if they aren't one. It's their fault. This isn't the fucking 1950s where someone goes to the other side of the street when they see a black man in his job uniform or normal clothes coming the other way, that shit only happens to black people that walk around with their shorts around their ankles, a doorag on their head, an oversized shirt and look like they will mug you. It's their fault, look like a normal person and people will think of you as one.
>>77882079
Crimes=robbing in the streets=low to mid level murder= et fucking cetera
Super richs robbing the fucking world is that causes this, almost linearly
>>77882125
Ok, once more. For the fucking last time.
Poverty \neq marginalization
>>77882182
It's more like the equal rights, equal responsabilities meme
>>77882209
pre-european? Like when exactely?
>>77877405
You're utterly retarded.
Crime come from lazy unorganized subhumans inept to employment.
It's not cause by societal inequalities but genetics
>>77882325
IQ is mostly genetic; so your statement is not inaccurate.
>>77882416
"As a white man who hates niggers".
Hand over your heart, if you see a black person does it do the same to you than a withe one? Come on man, gimme a break. You still have some separate schools. And had separated everyithing until like fucking yesterday. You tell me that that deep as shit marginalization has no effect whatsoever in population mearly 30-40 years on?
>>77882612
Yeah, muh genetics.
Stay blue pilled mate. Not that you should give a fuck, you have it easy
>>77882590
Before colonialism.
>>77877405
That evil rich man bought a big boat, that some people had to build with materials that had to be gathered by someone else and he even goes as far as giving more jobs to people to keep it maintained
Can't believe how evil he is
>>77882669
Proof please.
>average kid loved, nurtured, estimulated
>smart kid treated miserably, ill-fed, not loved or stimulated
Who's gonna have higher IQ when grown ups?
>>77882879
So, A.C you mean?
>>77877405
You are a retarded communist piece of shit. People with an IQ of 85 or lower tend to be prone to committing crimes. Income is strongly linked with IQ. Blacks have an IQ of 85. See a pattern?
>>77882892
If you think industries generated by super rich fuckers equilibrate the market, you are seriously mistaken
>>77877405
Crime comes from uneducated people who lacks values
>>77882978
You know the answer you idiot.
>>77883092
Muritard like usual, no surprises. See >>77882978
>>77883120
kek
>>77877405
Great thread comrade.
You win a free ticket to Augusto's Helicopter Sightseeing Tour.
>>77883105
Meaning? Being uneducated is one of the fundamental symptoms of what I'm saying
>>77883155
IQ is 75 heritable, retard. The post you linked doesn't disprove that.
>>77882498
Poor people are by definition marginalized
Also, why the fuck am I talking to some nigger whose country doesn't even have 3 dimensions?
>>77883102
Why not, another evil guy with big bucks is going to put his own company to compete with other evil rich guys
Smart people commit crime only because of the setup of the system (commie shit)
Retards like you commit crime anyway, regardless of the system.
But we can't say that else the legal system based on individual responsibility will be distrusted and social peace destroyed.
>>77878424
>socially marinated
Those poor marinated niggers.
>>77883371
Disagree profoundly with your definition.
Didn't get the three dimensions shit. Stay tard, muritard
>>77883361
it's the other way around
for example blacks have about 20 iq points less
but when black children are raised by white and wealthy parents, their iq is almost the same
>>77883436
Don't know if I'm too drunk or you are too retarded. Being smart doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying
>>77883481
kek
>>77883312
Parents teach values, not the school nor the government
>>77883039
first incidence of colonization is the 15th century, but keep cucking for blacks tho.
>>77881405
>social exclusion
So if your claim is that social exclusion = crime, how do you define social exclusion?
>>77882772
Segregation until yesterday? Try over 50 years ago. The only segregated schools are all black colleges that black people want. Black people are literally bussed into schools outside of their district in mostly white schools.
And again what you defined as marginalization only happens to black people that dress and look like criminals. It happens to the victims of the ghetto/gangster culture that is so prevalent in black communities. White people, including myself, go out of their way to be including and polite to black people that don't dress like they're going to stab you. It's 2016 and the government does so much to help them with no results. Maybe back before the civil rights movement you would have had an argument, but in modern day America the only marginalized black people are marginalized because they dress and speak like thugs, and black people are the only ones responsible for continuing their cycle of poverty despite all of the money the government spends to end it.
Don't blame white people that they don't want anything to do with a black person who dresses like a gang member.
>>77877405
Sorry that is the Saudi's boat
>>77883728
And who teaches your parents said values? Somewhere in the link there was social inclusion that persevered. Amazing if happens in non likely scenarios, but not a thing to expect
>>77883728
Our government teach values in France.
Liberté égalité fraternité.
We also go through a shit ton of scientific littérature. Doesn't looks like it's helping much the retards. It's only helping renew the elite.
>>77883841
Already explained what I meant, read the fucking thread lazy murifat
>>77883844
Aprox 40 (not 50) years = yesterday for a large portion of society to adapt. Retard.
>>77877405
The rich has a mentality that makes em STAY rich. I am not kidding.
First off, they need a good income. Lets just use a regular CEO's income because we're talking about "rich" dudes, not middle class.
Annual salary: 10 million
What they buy: Regular shit, no yachts, no planes, no mansions, organic food, house maintenance fees, car fees, insurance, entertainment, etc...
Lets say they use 1 million dollars that year.
They gain fucking 9 MILLION dollars and they SAVE that 9 million. That money doesn't go back into the economy and 10 years later, nigga would have saved 90 million dollars. That 90 mil will not go back into the economy if he doens't spend it. However, the rich man is now even MORE richer for having 90 million in savings. Maybe he can invest in stocks, but we're just having a little example.
Now go to poor fags.
Savings? What savings? Rent is 1500/mo. Job gives probably 1700/mo. That is 200/mo of "saving" in which you have to spend on food, gas, and electricity.
For the middle class people who earn like 5k/mo and rent is 3k/mo, they still don't have a lot of savings.
I might be wrong, but thats how I see social inequality.
>>77883920
What I mean by renew the elite is : we take smart kids from everywhere we can find. We don't discriminate. When the kid is bright we give him the opportunity to rule by going to prestigious engineering and administrative schools for free.
>>77883934
Your definition is hazy. My best guess is that social marginalization means "the majority of society doesn't want to be around you".
Is that accurate?
>>77884071
You are wrong, but cheers for you for trying to think independently. Money generates more money. We have a finite-resources planet. If some individual accumulates an arbitrarily large amount of resources for himself, shit happens.
People talk about "market equilibria" like it is governed by natural rules or somethting. It is governed by made rules, so simplistic logic doesn't apply.
>>77884162
It would be much more efficient and fair if everyone had the fucking opportunity to show their worth. It doesn't not happen nowadays, like seriously.
>>77884162
The new elite that were sometimes raised in poor families make sure that the poor will have the same opportunity to gain access to power if they are bright.
>>77884216
Is feeling no one gives a shit about you. Not having proper education or nutrition. Not having proper health care. Being taught that nobody will ever give a fuck about you. Having to watch the rest of the kids in the park while you go dumpster diving. Maybe I'm being dramatic, I want to get the point across. Is it across?
>>77884034
Really but what about this new fangled internet? Seems like people adapted to that quite quick.
Also:
>Chilean intellectuals
>>77877405
>I am poor, therefore I must steal
Seems like you hate the poor, to be honest.
>>77884492
Not from Chile, once again.
Stay bluepilled
>>77884034
The civil rights movement ended 48 years ago senpai. Entire generations of black people have been born in the post civil-rights era, and a huge number of them have had children of their own.
You know very little about America if think it hasn't adapted to the post-civil rights era. There are numerous government programs and benefits for black people, things like affirmative action and black scholarships. Socially it is a social death sentence to say anything that can be possibly misinterpreted as racist.
White people, and the government, go above and beyond to help black people. If you want to say not all black people haven't come around yet and that's why they still can't break their cycle of poverty despite all the things whites and government does for them, fine, but it's not racisms fault. And if you want to make the argument that black are socially marginalized than come up with a better definition, because the one you provided only applies to blacks that deserve it for emulating criminals in their appearance, mannerisms, and speech.
>>77880888
That's all you've got? He just shut down your point entirely. I guess you are conceding his.
>>77884564
Goog fucking christ for fucks sake. READ THE FUCKING THREAD. I can't keep saying the same over and over again.
>>77884637
I asked a question, still not answered. Care to answer?
The only reason our country remains great is because we are able to renew our elite by giving the same opportunity to children to gain access to good education and free engineering and administrative schools if they deserve it.
>>77879377
Liberals cant explain away the asian and it fucks all their shit up
>>77877405
>but you are aware of the fact that crime primarily comes from social inequalities right?
Sorry, but that's horseshit. Crime (other than smoking meth and other non-violent offenses) is very low in Appalachia and other extremely poor, largely white areas. It's only in poor minority areas where you see very high levels of murder and violent crime.
>>77878715
"Socially marginalized" is back in style now? I really don't see what you SJWs hope to accomplish, changing the meanings of words around until you can't even keep up with them yourself. Look at conservatives, they actually call poor people "poor" and manage to do more to help them than the progressives ever have.
Hmmm... Really makes you think huh....
>>77884634
48 years is nothing for such a deep segregation. You cannot part society in two and expect to heal right away. Black people's grandfathers (and even parents) couldn't seat in the front of the bus. What are they going to teach their children?
I hope really your government is doing something for them, but it is insufficient and bound to happen again and again. Capitalism is based on oppression of some group of people
>>77877405
In the next 40 years, one day, I will be the one parking my boat in a boat.
>>77884869
You are truly retarded. I'm not sugar coating the word poor, you idiot. Poor people has some intersection with marginalized people (maybe a big one) but they are different things
Wow ... Damn... Made me think
>>77884942
Again with this? I'm exhausted. Poverty \neq marginalization, etc etc etc
>>77884468
Young white men are likely the most socially marginalized group in American society, though no one is physically deprived here.
More to the point, what do you suggest as a means to stop this alleged social marginalization? Segregation? Thought control? Behavioral monitoring? Genocide?
>>77884944
So you are a communist then huh faggot. It's funny, because the only reason why Chile is by far one of the strongest economies in South America is BECAUSE of Capitalism. Check out how your Venezolano FAS nigger brothers are doing with socialism.
Ok, too drunk and lots of work tomorrow. Gonna go. Please, at least think about this premise.
Leave your prejudices aside and really, deeply, think about this.
Regards.
Fucking faggots
>>77882209
How can the genetic distance between homo erectus and homo sapiens be tested when no genetic material from homo erectus exists?
>>77885261
Chile's economy is shit thanks to you, fucking muritard faggots. Thank god I'm from Uruguay
>>77884944
>part society in two and then expect it to heal
Why do you assume that blacks were ever a part of American society? The 60s were an attempt to fuse together two distinct societies, and it has failed miserably.
>>77885286
Alright. Hey man, you should move to Cuba, see how complete equality has worked out.
>>77884869
They need new buzzwords. They can't blame it on poverty anymore since more white people and Hispanics live in poverty, yet they still commit less crime. So now it's "socially marginalized", a term that when confronted none can come up with a good definition for. I mean look in this thread, the ops definition boiled down to basically "being feared and outside of society" yet poor whites (you know rednecks and white trash) aren't just outside of society, but they are openly mocked by it, yet they still commit less crime than black people where saying anything mean against them would get you out of society, and the only black peo you feared by society are black people that emulate the ghetto/gangster culture and lifestyle. Its a bullshit.
>>77885286
You claim that there is a problem but you don't offer a solution. That's not much of a help, is it?
>>77885369
Oh yeah doing so shit... Lmao faggot. Go to any socialist country and tell me it's better.
It lost him the election and left us with the terrorist supporting nigger...
>but you are aware of the fact that crime primarily comes from social inequalities right?
I've never on this site seen someone argue this in more detail than a simple one sentence thesis statement.
if crime "comes from social inequalities" then tell niggers to stop being materialistic fuckheads. money isn't everything and the lack of it is not a proper rationalization for murder. poor people are poor because they're either stupid, or don't care much about money (like myself). it's a chicken and egg situation where you assume minorities are poor because they're oppressed, and thus commit crime, but why can't you also say that they're poor because they're simply too stupid to hold high paying jobs? you can't always assume the criminal is a "victim of circumstance" whose every action can be absolved due to some arbitrary relation between money and a capacity for murder. you're treating minorities like children, making you a bit of a racist.
>>77877405
>you are aware of the fact that crime primarily comes from social inequalities right?
No it doesn't. Crime and inequality are not linked. Poverty and crime are linked somewhat though.
>>77885483
Already said I was working on it, but the answer is non trivial and requieres work. Intuitively, capitalism is a sufficient condition to have marginalization in a big scale. So basicaly change the system or go home. Still to prove tho
>>77885608
Third time this misleading graphics are posted ITT. Already debunked. Get bent
>>77885286
Move to Cuba or North Korea you'll learn some shite.
>>77885591
How about we tell this to people running the economic system?
>>77885731
I post this chart all the time...
Have you debunked it yet?
>>77885646
So if not capitalism, then what? Communism? Something else?
>>77885793
Kek.
Not a communist, I already said it like 4 times.
There are more than 2 ideologies little one.
Seriously going. Been fun. Bye
>>77884944
The government does more to help black people than it does any other demographic. Black people are the only ones responsible for continuing the pre-civil rights mindset. But I don't even know why I bothered responding to you, are you gonna start going on anti-capitalist rants? You're clearly just another bitter leftist looking for any excuse to blame your failures and shortcomings on somebody else rather than yourself, just like black people.
>>77885892
Something else for sure
>>77877405
Yes, and?
Do you want rich people to give away their fairly earned money?
Do you want to have a rich country that thrives on the exploitation of a poor country?
Equality is near impossible, even if we did get to equality everything would suck like in 80s USSR
>>77885190
He can't provide a solution for social marginalization since it's only a leftist buzzword that he can't even provide a reasonable and legitimate definition for. Its just more leftist bullshit to find a way to blame anybody else except black people for the problems blacks face.
>>77885913
Do not get mistaken, the system has been kind to me. I have had top tier education, right to phd in mathematics levels. I've always been well nurtured and estimulated, and loved.
Never once had suffer form ostracism. So no, this is not about ME. Because, thankfully, I'm educated enough to actually care about others
>>77886035
>Fairly earned
Big problems with this
>>77885796
tell them what? to stop being materialistic? capitalism only works because proles want to be kings, in this fashion the kings can maintain control of the proles. if the proles didn't want to be kings and refused to contribute to the system than it would collapse. blame the people who let the system continue rather than the system itself. but that's not fashionable, is it? it's a little too nuanced and you wouldn't be able to fall back on the "big bad white men" boogeyman?
it';s funny that I point out that you can't make an argument in one sentence, but you respond to me with a single sentence yet again, and all your posts in this thread seem to follow that pattern. why did I bother typing a post that contained more than vague platitudes if I knew I wouldn't get a decent response from leftist pseudo-intellectuals such as yourself?
>>77886069
*she
And I fucking said I'm working on a solution god damn it. Give me some time. I just wanted to see how bluepilled you were
>>77877405
>rich people pay "poor people" (IE, labourers) to build boat
>poor people use their wages to buy goods and services, of which a lot is recirculated to "poor people", some is taken off the top to pay "rich people" for the hard work/risks they undertook to become rich
What the fuck is morally wrong with this?
>>77886204
Capitalism works because it predates on our primate instincts. It's briliantly designed. And super fucking stable as shit. It's gonna be tough to convince people it is shit, but even more so to be able to actually do anything about it
>>77883864
Experience teaches values, they can be good or they can be bad
Someone told you that the rich man opresses the poor guy, but the rich man some day was poor himself, or his father, or grandfather, and worked hard to get there, until his work became create more jobs for more people, if he fucks up he becomes poor and the workers well they are no longer workers and have to find another job
If the majority of the black people are uneducated and to survive they have to steal or live on welfare those are their values, they don't see why they should try to grab a book or pay attention in school, cause they can simple grab a gun and take someone else money or just live on welfare, it's easier for them, it's not about inequality
>>77886334
Already answered this. It is a fallacy to say that super rich equilibrate the market with the industry they produce
>>77886427
Actually my mom is like you, almost believe that poor people are so by choice. That's what she tought me. Laughable. Still love her tho. Not you, you go get bent.
>>77886268
You're already working on a solution, yet you still haven't sufficiently defined what socially marginalized means. The shit you spewed earlier doesn't explain why poor blacks commit more crime than poor whites, since poor whites (rednecks, white trash, hillbillies) are more feared and rejected from society, since it's socially acceptable to hate on and make of poor whites and poor whites receive much less help from the government.
So next time you come to /pol/ saying black people commit more crime than white people because of social marginalization at least come back with a decent definition, although I doubt it will be possible because that term is nothing more than a buzzword.
>>77877405
>but you are aware of the fact that crime primarily comes from social inequalities right?
>>77886381
why do you need to convince anyone? by saying "primate instincts" you're admitting that these people are stupid, thus proving my original point. so if these people are so easily manipulated, then why won't you lay the blame on them? if some people, such as myself and possibly you, don't have these instincts present within them then it obviously has more to do with intellect than some ubiquitous hard wiring. I don't understand the point in expending effort to "help" people who don't want to be helped.
I also want you to actually explain, in detail, why you think murder correlates with lack of money, without using things you've read or that your professor has told you. I want you to tell me on a philosophical level why these things are apparently so intrinsically linked.
>>77877405
Crime is primarily the result of culture, not wealth. Of course culture factors into the wealth potential a person can achieve.
>>77886443
But they do, for the most part.
How the fuck does someone who skims a few c off the top of every dollar you spend a criminal in any sense? If you sell a million of any product you're going to have a lot of money. This is an economy functioning as intended.
You have "poor people" in the US and other first world nations with a warmed house, food on the table and literally hundreds of amenities such as electricity and toilet paper. This is not a cruel way for someone to live.
Interestingly, greedy fat-cat ceos are in part responsible for the lavish lifestyle that the poor live now.
>>77877405
You're an idiot. Bad people cause crimes. It's got nothing to do with anything other than that.
Back when I was a kid they gave people like OP free helicopter rides and trips to Europe.
>>77886168
It seems that your premise is based into thinking that the rich guy somehow stole that money
look man im pretty poor, like 2k in all my accounts and savings, live with my parents. Those men and women that made that money deserve it. There is no reason to take away from their work to give to some other people who haven't worked as hard.
>>77877844
You're right, the workers were blessed with the chance to build a boat for His Holiness the CEO. They could ask for no greater reward.
>>77886540
Poor people decide to stay poor or work hard
If they decide to do nothing they die, if you give the poor people food and everything they need they just will stay the same cause well they don't have to work to get stuff (look at black people on welfare)
>>77879294
This is due to the racism of police, courts etc.
>>77887420
They got the money for their job
They decide what to do with it, spend it on stupid shit or save to invest in something to create wealth for themselves
>>77886956
You can't blame people for being human (and thus not having perfect judgement and having silly desires). If there is a wrong with the system it is not because of the people acting the way they are expected to act. It's the fault of the system for not taking their expected behavior into account. You can't just say "why don't all these people become smart?" or "why don't we kill all poor people?".
>>77887540
you definitely proved that with those ten words you posted. great job!
>>77887392
When the hell did this happen?
This is brilliant.
>>77887420
And if being a CEO is about being served by the proletariat then why a lot of big business fail
The rich guy work is create jobs to make money, if he fails he becomes poor and his workers lose their jobs
>>77887102
cuck retard
>>77887203
in a way, they did
>>77887271
I'm not saying everyone should be payed the same. But there has to be a limit to how much one can earn
>>77886989
Exactly my point. If you have marginalization in the usa imagine what happens in south america. Or for god sakes africa
>>77886969
Retard, not even dignifying with answer
>>77886956
We are all idiots. That's why we need rules to have some kind of fairness. Don't want to be helped? This is really simplistic. I urge you to think deeper about this
>>77886693
I did the best I could considering I'm drunk and social sciences have tricky definitions. Still I think I did pretty good. The probability of someone commiting crime increases with the social marginalization of the subject. This is not arguable.
>>77887102
As a matter of fact, no.
>>77886268
>she
Disregard, it's a fucking stupid wench that bought into the government's moronic feminist leftist garbage. This country is shifting towards socialism, and has been doing so for the last thirty years. Sadly enough, I don't think we know how to rule ourselves. Years and years of the free market working out for us, trillions of dollars worth of trade deals, due to free market economics, and then people like OP come around and glorify socialism, in order to "close the social gap". This is moronic, it's stupid, it's happened in every single country that's neighbored us, and it led us into a sickening crisis and depression, just talk to ANYONE who was alive during the Allende regime, and in the country, talk to them about the long lines, and the rationing, see if they would like to go back to socialism.
The problem that Chile has with socialism is that it's working for us, it's working because we're exploiting the wealth that the free market's left for us, so people take to the streets, they demand free schooling, free this, and free that, not acknowledging that this brings down the value of professionals, not acknowledging the fact that all that subsidizing things does is raise their cost and bring down their actual real value. So if you ever run into a Chilean that's happy with the current way that Chile's going in, with the way that politics are turning more and more left leaning, they're probably young, and have young parents, who have fallen for the "Allende was a godsend to our country" meme.
Bonus, this person probably bitches about "human rights violations" when niggers go out into the street and wreck businesses, even killing innocent guards at times.
>>77887801
dude i have no idea i think that gif is pretty old though
>>77887634
how are people in charge of the system not "being human" then? if it is natural to be greedy and materialistic then you can't blame rich people for being greedy and materialistic. you're blaming one group of people for something that you're excusing another group of people for, just because you perceive them as having an "advantage" (once again, something based on your own materialistic lens of how the world works, while I'd advise you to take more of an aesthetic approach to life and fulfillment if you truly want to remove yourself from "oppressive systems").
>>77887858
>Retard, not even dignifying with answer
My culture tells me that having sex with children is okay. I fuck a 7 yo and get arrested. "Hurrr it wuz cuz i wuz poor n sheeit"
Seriously guy are you even trying?
>>77887879
You are so cucked you can't even see how cucked you are. I'm not from Chile and thank all the gods for that. I did have free healthcare and education. You say it like it is not possible. As far as the other things you mentioned, it was you who brought them up so not answering
>>77888049
whatttttt???? You are so far off the point it's not even funny anymore. Explain yourself better or I won't bother
>>77887858
>I'm not from Chile
>I have to work tomorrow
>she left her country to come work in mine
>I did have free healthcare and education
>>77887858
Good job about being vague, you just sound like the average socialist/communist who just got into social justice
Go and share the wealth that your family stole
wealth inequality itself doesn't cause crime, it's extreme wealth inequaltiy (i.e people in the rust belt who can't even get menial, minwage first jobs and therefore can't enter the workforce) that causes it. people have nothing to lose when their total income is $0/mo.
>>77877647
Lel. /pol/ is basically the Koch Bros News Network at this point.
>>77888009
If there is a perceived flaw with a system (I'm not saying there is), it's the fault of the people who created the system (in this case). This is why the poor people are excused and the system creators are not excused. Because one group created the system and the other didn't. It's as simple as that.
Whether there is a flaw or not is fairly subjective. But if anyone is going to say "yes there is a flaw and I blame..." they should blame the system creators in this case.
Also I'm not the same person as the one earlier in the conversation.
>>77886540
Ya'see, I graduated high-school and noticed two courses of action my peers took afterwards.
Those who dream of being "rich", like me, worked their asses off in high-school and left for universities and other tertiary education to study. As a student; I'm poorer than ever, my debt keeps growing and I'm having to make sacrifices so I can make ends meet and still have the time left for uni.
The others chose to slack off in high school and then either beg for bennies or go work an unskilled job. No ill will towards them, but they can't get mad at people who took risks, made investments and had the patience and dedication to go further with their careers.
A damn shame that people in poorer countries or areas never really had the options available to them as I have. But I firmly believe that in any first world country, anyone who's dedicated enough really can get a 6 figure paycheck. I'm interested in hearing other's thoughts on this.
As for limiting income
If I was to say, start a successful business that made 25m in revenue each year, and I was to take 4c off every dollar of revenue my company made for a total salary of $1m.
With limited income there is 0 incentive, other than the security of that 1m dollar salary, to expand my business and provide the goods/services that my customers need. I keep my staff sizes small, so it's easy to manage. I'm not going to double my company's revenue so I can only take a maximum of 2c off every dollar that my company makes. That's just fuckin retarded. In actuality; I'd try to find some way around any regulations to make it worth my while to expand my company.
With an unlimited, free market, income there's all the incentive in the world (IE, that big boat and all the bitches that come with it) to increase the scale of my business. I upsize my business, hire more staff, create jobs, lower the cost of production, pay greater taxes and bring in foreign money to the economy. Your choice.
>>77885308
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://evunix.uevora.pt/~fcs/bioh10.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj5tPKY9LXNAhUJWVIKHUqgCPEQFggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNHIvFbGecIRrfwcUQJ7eEt6DZFWBw
>>77888162
Take Asians for example. They are disproportionately poor. In fact, they are more likely to be in poverty than even Hispanics. Despite this, Asians have the lowest crime rates in the United States.
This is the result of culture. Even when poor, their families are often strict about education and values.
Compared to blacks who when are poor descend into straight up trash. Their fathers often abandon them. Mothers have kids they can't support. Children growing up listening to gangster and idolizing rappers and sport stars. Talking in slang, cursing, dressing like ghetto trash, etc.
At this point, it becomes a culture. You can throw money at a nigger but that wouldn't mean her kids would listen to decent music and have real role models. Simply because their culture does not expect that of them.
>>77877405
Then how come niggers with high status quo still rape and murder like O.J. or the american nigger soldiers that rape asian qties?
How come rape wasn't a new thing in Germany yet when they imported musims the rape rates skyrocketed to 1500%? Poberty was new to Germany?
How come in Spain, a poor country, we had barely a 3-5% anual immigrant population increase every year yet the crime rates TRIPLED every time? How come in 2014-2015 when the immigrant population decreased so did the crime rates?
Also, the grade of violence and cruelty in black crime has hardly any pararell with white crimes (yes, you can cherry pick one or two total psychos that stand out among whites while you'll need folders and folders to count black people murdering and raping families and even torturing them).
>>77888162
Asians commit every crime at half the rate whites do, except for gambling. Now try to explain why that is without culture.
see chart >>77881311
Wasnt there a book about some sandindu terrorist using a boat that had a boat dock built in to smuggle a bomb into new york?
>>77877405
if it floats and can hold a boat than it's a ship you retard
Half white half black anon here
Chilefag is bullshitting you all. Blacks are far from marginalized. If anything, being part black is the biggest advantage in the US as you get all sorts of benefits and free shit just for being black
Tbh, if you want society's respect, then work hard, be a good person, dress nice, talk politely, and don't be a stupid nigger
>>77879975
>Poor whites are extremely marginalized. They are made fun of constantly in the media and popular culture. It is "cool" to hate rednecks and hillbillies. It is fashionable to mock them as idiots and inbred and losers. They are hated and feared. And it is pefectly socially acceptable. The term "white trash" can be thrown around in offices and in schools, without repercussions. Try saying one bad thing about a black or a hispanic, and you're finished.
Because by and large, poor whites are idiots and losers. Have you met one?
>>77880131
You're right Chile, but you have to realize you are arguing with middle class/well-to-do white people with a massive persecution complex. The fact is most poor whites live in rural areas with low population density, if they didn't have to drive their tractor a mile to get to the next barn over they'd be shooting eachother left and right
>>77877405
The poverty rate between spics and niggers is nearly identical. Explain pic.
>>77881311
>white & hispanic
Why would you group them?
>>77877405
niggers had over 1000 years to do something
all your nigger empires were Muslim, that means Arabs helped them and once Arabs left all the empires collapsed. sorry anon, but humanity's biggest mistake was treating niggers as equals
>>77890245
>all your nigger empires were Muslim, that means Arabs helped them and once Arabs left all the empires collapsed. sorry anon, but humanity's biggest mistake was treating niggers as equals
all european empires were Christian, a Middle Eastern religion
>>77890391
are you trying to say whites were smarter? lmao
>>77890391
and look how well Christianity reigns today without any Arabs
I never belittled Arabs, only niggers
>>77877461
>what is a private bank
>>77877405
"Social inequity = Crime"
Fuck you nigger. Other people's failures are not my fault. You can't mandate outcomes, you're just pushing their burdens onto me. I'd curbstomp a homeless drug addict before I'd give him a dollar, because I know he'd slit my throat for a dime.
>>77887652
Not an argument
:^)
>>77890576
>North America (fuck natives) has been around the same amount of time
Crime comes from:
>culture, esp. Violent inner city culture
>lack of hope/no future
>poverty
>sexual deviancy (example: desire to rape)
>opportunity
>youth
>poor moral guidance
What's the alternative you communist faggot?
>>77881860
>drained
fuck off with your dependence theory bullshit. it's been debunked and is no longer viable in economics. can your country not afford textbooks after the 1980s?
>>77885908
yeah, you're le enlightened social democrat who thinks wealth is a zero sum game, how unique
you support subsidies and price controls, without realizing they limit the options of the poor even further and ultimately reduce social mobility
