Why should someone on a no fly list be able to purchase this?
why are they on a no fly list?
>>77767730
There is no legal definition or due process for getting on or off the "no fly" list. It shouldn't be used to deprive people of their rights.
Because they haven't been put through due process to prove that they're a criminal who has committed a criminal act worthy enough for them to lose their rights and what they can buy,.
SHALL
hickok45 here
>>77767984
NOT
Increases the odds of dead americans, therefore it should be allowed
>>77767730
beccause a no fly list is not an indicator of an individuals crimes or disposition. its jsut a list of people who cant fly
>>77768040
INFRINGED
>>77767730
Because the no fly list is bullshit?
Break up with stewardess or pilot or tsa dude
They don't respect your reasons
????
No fly list
My friend is on the no fly list since he was 6. His name is Patrick. Why should he get punished some member of the ira had the same name as him?
On the upside, this could destroy the illegal no-fly list forever. Also, people with psychiatric issues who haven't been convicted of a crime should not have any of their rights removed. Would they do this to people who have a physical disability? Is that going to be a crime too?
>>77767730
i dont see why it matters since it would be impossible to get on an airplane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-hqiAlfQM
>>77767730
Because it is very good for the economy?
>>77768553
/thread
Nobody else posted a better reason.
Because the government puts whoever they want on the list and there's no way to get off it. There's no policies for getting on or off it.
NRA wants anyone including Radical Islam terrorists in the US to have the right to buy any gun they want. Unless they say otherwise which they haven't. I wonder why? I wonder how much Pepto-Bismal is being delivered to their headquarters?
>>77768507
The airlines piss off fat people all the time.
>>77767730
>supporting 21st century McCarthyism
A person needs to be presented the evidence against them, and face their accuser in front of a jury of their peers. It's a little thing we have called due process.
A good way to check if you're on the FBI's list is to buy a gun
good change
OP answer his question
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/18/that-is-not-my-question-trey-gowdy-absolutely-grills-dhs-official-on-second-amendment-due-process/
>>77768700
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/18/that-is-not-my-question-trey-gowdy-absolutely-grills-dhs-official-on-second-amendment-due-process/
THE MUSLIM SHOT THE FAGS BUT IT'S THE WHITE MAN'S FAULT
SO BAN THE GUNS
HATE YOURSELVES
FILL THE EARTH WITH SALT
>>77768700
It should matter if crazies get guns. Because normal people outgun them. Gun free zones are the problem.
Why are non citizens allowed to buy guns?
>>77767730
What is the 4th Amendment?
>>77769829
You're thinking of the 6th
The 4th refers to military squatting in your house
>>77769289
It is the responsibility of the civil to tame the savage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UXocDuLGeQ
a video about gun control
Amendment: to change.
To "amend".
The ability to change the 2nd amendment SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED,
>>77769829
>>77769978
It's the 14th you faggots
>>77769978
Thank you. I got lazy.
>There were 10,000 names on the list in 2011, 21,000 in 2012, and 47,000 in 2013.
>banning 47000 people out of 300 million from having guns
BRAVO TRUMP
>>77767730
If they broke the law, arrest them. If they're terrorists, arrest them. Let them have their day in court. Until they're found guilty of a crime, they still have rights. I don't get why this is so hard to comprehend.
>>77767730
You are right, racially stereotyped Arabs should not be allowed guns regardless of just cause. I love you racist.
>>77770774
"Due process is killing us"
https://youtu.be/0OIyYOVnxsM
Due process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4NHXN751Io
>>77767730
my girlfriend was on a no fly list for literally making edgy posts on /pol/, you can get put on one for whatever bullshit reason
>>77767730
I heard of a local drug dealer who was on the no fly list and was removed through legal action. Fucking government doesnt even know he is a dealer, he was put on for political activism and the fucktards didnt even know what he does.
>>77771162
I've tried saying this a million times to those that support this terrible idea but they don't care
>>77771929
Then tell them they are irrational and it's a good thing their opinions matter little in the grand scheme of things.
>>77767987
Hiku koku foutee fii hea
>>77771438
of course you fucking britbong, in that surveillance shithole of yours you don't get to have free speech
>>77767730
THAT SHIT WILL NEVER GET PAST SUPREME COURT SO THIS IS ALL POINTLESS. TAKE AWAY AMERICAN RIGHTS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. TRY IT.
>>77767730
Where is the list? Who is on the list? How do we find out?
>>77767730
Because they'd never be able to get that on a plane.
>>77772062
They use like arguments like 'what about my right not to be murdered by crazy people'
They're fucking all terrible people
>>77767730
no fly list does not have due process.
>>77767730
Once the no fly list is audited for error, made more transparent, and allows appeas and due process then sure but not before the no fly list system is fixed.
>>77772497
>what about my right not to be murdered by crazy people'
Non existent, your rights end where they begin infringing on my rights.
My inanimate objects are not infringing on your rights, they are infringing on your feelings.
A tiny subsection of the population misusing products similar to my property is not an excuse to attempt to remove me of my right to said property.
These people do not want to save lives, if that was the issue they would be off campaigning against heart disease and raising cancer money and trying to ban fast cars and alcohol.
These people are hoplophobes exploiting tragedies few and far between for political gain.
>>77767871
Because they fucked the flight attendant
>>77771009
>our rights are killing us!
kys
>>77767730
why should someone on a college enrollment list be able to use this?
>>77772905
>having to prove your innocence
>due process
>>77767730
To kill you, faggot.
>>77767730
Because they still have their due process rights. If you think we should ban people on any no fly/terror watch list from owning this, remember that there is no way to learn if you are on the No Fly list until you go to an airport. For the Terror Watch List, people would be added through Foreign Intelligence Service (FISA) Courts, which you would have no access to their ruling and would not be able to know if you are put on it.
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
If you infringe even a tiny bit on the 2nd amendment you will trigger a violent civil war between patriots and Marxist leftist tyrants in Washington DC
>>77774133
Krauts need their own 2A. Didn't you guys recently lose the ability to have Semi Autos with the "Hunting" licence or whatever?
>>77767972
>Because they haven't been put through due process to prove that they're a criminal who has committed a criminal act worthy enough for them to lose their rights
Rights can not be given, or lost, they can just be denied. If I was a serial killer that ran people over with a car, no one would deny me the "privilege" of owning, or buying another car if I made parole. As far as telling someone who committed a crime that they can't own a gun again, well it's bullshit. There are too many code violations that fall into the "felony" charges class and it's not society's place to determine what free man (currently non-incarcerated) has rights and what man does not. That is socialist bullshit and our government is supposed to be a republic, not a socialist state, nor even the light version called a democracy. In other words, the government has overstepped it's own authority and needs to be over thrown. I only fear the time window for revolution is ending in failure because Americans are chickenshit cowards.
>>77768901
I don't think you know what that means.
>>77768901
But McCarthy was right.
>>77774829
He was spot on
see
>>77771162
Because, like with all other powers the people in the government will abuse that and use it for their political goals. There needs to be laws enacted. To protect rights and safeguard the citizenry from abuse of power by government. They really need to stop shitting on the people they serve, and realize that they exist to protect the citizenry.
Why the fuck would you buy an ar in the first place?
Also are much better
>>77775134
>There needs to be laws enacted. To protect rights and safeguard the citizenry from abuse of power by government.
It's called the constitution, the politicians just appoint shitty justices to degrade it's power over the decades.
>well we unelected judges think it means this now so you lose x y and z rights.
No fly list is designed to keep people off planes, not say who should be able to own a gun
If it did that, it would be called the no gun list
But it's not
>>77774991
>being allowed to take America hostage as long as you call them communist was right
>>77775387
Yes ARs are much better than anything else on the market
>>77775038
What does that have to do with McCarthy?
>>77768057
Hey Turkey how does it feel having our missiles installed right up your asshole
You're worthless to us, we like Armenians, Kurds and Greeks a lot better than you shitheads
I hope they all launch a war on you
>>77775387
https://youtu.be/2OhBBC_Cyeo
>>77775134
Protect? No, they are supposed to serve, not protect. Your 2nd Amendment tells you who is responsible for your protection. Your government is the scum of the earth. In it's most benevolent form it's a parasitic entity only capable of being regarded as a necessary evil.
>>77775422
This
>>77767923
If you're not a sand nigger, you have nothing to worry about
>>77775728
>call someone out on not knowing what McCarthyism is
>don't know what McCarthyism is
>>77768516
if you disassemble it and make it look like part of your shaving kit, and put the parts on the outer edge of your suitcase, that would probably be your best bet
Somebody who did this back in the 80's once told me this, but back then things were not turbo fucked like they are today, of couse
>>77776013
See IRS targeting scandal
Apply to DHS
Aim at opponents of whomever is currently in the white house.
>>77769203
>http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/18/that-is-not-my-question-trey-gowdy-absolutely-grills-dhs-official-on-second-amendment-due-process/
Fuck yes I love this man
Hey why doesn't Trump pick him to be VP?
>>77776347
Because he is incompetent.
go watch the Benghazi hearings
>>77773465
And if they had to give you your day in court where they have to prove you should be on the list before you go on it. Wouldn't that be due process?
>>77767730
There is no trial to put someone on the nofly list
>>77775438
The communists in government were trying to destroy the United States from within the system and McCarthy tried to stop it by targeting known spies, so yes he was right.
>>77767730
EYYYYYY PU70
Has anyone ever even bought plane tickets?
All you do is give them a name.
You could be anybody walking on a plane.
>you need an ID
They give illegals IDs now. They can be anybody.
Worst dude on the planet.
Refugee status.
Needs an ID.
>who are you
Frank Bernadin
>new ID for Frank Bernadin
Boom goes the dynamite.
This shit is so stupid.
Fuck no fly lists.
Rifles for everybody.
Open carry Airbus.
Leave the children at home.
Little shits ain't gonna remember half the shit you show them anyway.
niggers tongue my anus
>trump will win
>>77777310
NIGGERS TONGUE MY ANUS
TRUMP WILL WIN
>>77769619
I don't think they are, but, let's say you're in Texas, which my home state.
In a private sale, if you have a good reason to believe that the buyer is not a resident of the state of Texas, then you must refuse the sale.
However, you do not have to ask -- you just have to have no reason to believe other wise.
That said I would never sell a gun to a Muslim in a private sale. There have been a lot of Muslims crossing in from Mexico recently.
DUBS CHECK EM :^)
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>>77767730
the no fly list is a political tool that the bureaucrats will use and abuse to control you, you goddamn milkylicker
cans.wav
>>77776736
This FDR letting many Stalin agents who McCarthy exposed.
>>77776016
>>77776736
These lists of people aren't a public accusation. You don't even know if you're on these lists until you try to fly. These aren't people in positions of power, who we're trying to undermine their political clout.
McCarthyism is the wrong "buzz word" to use. Just question the constitutionality.
>>77776736
This, FDR let in many Stalin agents who McCarthy exposed after ww2.
>>77767730
Because the "no fly list" is an arbitrary list of people determined by the federal government. There is no due process. 1000s of people have been added to it accidentally and once you're on, even if you've done nothing wrong, it's a bitch to get off.
It's a loophole for the federal government to curtail the second amendment.
>>77771438
Jesus you guys are cucked bad
What are you gonna do?
>>77772376
That was what we thought about indefinite extrajudicial detention
>>77777722
>McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.
>treason without proper regard for evidence.
>It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism."
>>77772476
AR-15 would be hard to use on a plane, I'd go for a Saiga-12 personally
>>77779543
>it's a bitch to get off.
How hard is it too not be a terrorist? Lol just don't kill people lol.
>>77774133
Well they already did it in 1934 and 1968
>>77767730
straight off the jewbook
when is this meme going to end?
>>77767730
I bought a gun today :3 im not on any lists
feels good
They shouldn't, they never should have, but the NRA stonewalled that shit since the beginning.
the NRA is just another pants-on-head retarded lobby that needs to be pandered to to get anywhere in congress. fuck them, as a responsible gun owner I would never join the NRA.
>>77779060
this
>>77779853
You have to convince congress to hear your case to be removed, plead your case and then they don't have to accept.
You should spend years of your life and millions in legal fees to be able to buy guns and fly on a plane IF they even decide to take you off after doing nothing wrong.
>>77779922
I bought one yesterday, and one today. I'm getting a suppressor next week!
Get it while the get'n is good
>>77776566
I'd take a principled stubborn man that's a little rough around the edges over a slick talking Jew professional politician any day of the week.
>>77780005
Noice!
Picked up a smith and wesson AR15 today with a reflex scope
Getting a Ruger 10/20 tomorrow gonna get a good sight on that bitch
>>77780098
10/22 lol damn im tired
>>77776896
It's like you haven't flown since 1970. You have to hold your balls to the side while they look for birthmarks now.
>>77779922
>>77780005
my nggas
>>77779943
The NRA is bluffing, they know a gun bill won't pass the house
R-r-...right?
Let's face it Senate Republicans are kind of cucked for the most part, but states like mine (Texas) send in some of the most hardcore right-wing politicians that there are
>>77779760
McCarthy never took away someone's right to own a gun. He wanted people fired from the State Department because they were working against the interests of the United States.
It has nothing to do with this argument.
McCarthyism is a term made up by the left and reinforced unwittingly by people to mean "witch hunt". It belittles the threat the United States faced from communism, and it will belittle our efforts in the future against Islam.
>>77767730
>What is due process
>>77767730
My dad was on the no fly list about 5yrs ago. He didn't know it until we were at the airport to go to Arizona for spring training.
He is a federal government employee with a top secret clearance and a cpl.
It took him 3 months for the federal government to realize it was a mistake and just someone else with the same name.
>No due process
That's why. It's fucking bullshit. Anyone can end up on it for no reason.
