>Washington (CNN)Libertarian presidential hopeful Gary Johnson is sticking up for marijuana after 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney last week said smoking the drug "makes people stupid."
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/17/politics/gary-johnson-marijuana-mitt-romney/index.html
DUDE
>>77722564
Stupid people tend to gravitate towards drugs
>>77722564
only temporarily stupid
>>77722564
I smoke weed everyday and it absolutely makes you stupid
>>77722751
It makes my boring job seem engaging
>>77722564
but it really does make someone stupid
not nessecarily when youre sober, but when youre high, youre a fucking retard. some are worse than others some are better
>>77722564
Lazy is more like it. Not stupid. Some people are born stupid.
>>77722684
It's a high/low coalition, Smartest can use strategically.
>>77722564
Getting people high is just part of the plan:
>>77713499
>>77722564
I'd like libertarians more if they weren't all dudeweedlmaos
>>77722917
did you not read my post?
Soma.
>>77723060
This is what stoners actually believe
>>77723447
This is what reputable studies on the issue have shown. Two high school groups use drugs the most: stereotypical "stoners" and high achievers, with some overlap in groups.
The bland middle has never been my concern. The extremes are much more interesting.
>>77723447
Hard to find anyone in elite universities not using adderall or something or other.
We can all agree we should be taking the money out of the cartels pockets and into some Kentucky farmers, right?
>>77722564
>Gary Johnson: Marijuana doesn't make you stupid
then why did he say he'd lay off the stuff so he can be on the top of his game?
The reason I smoke weed is because I'm stupid and never studied, not because I smoked weed in the first place.
DUDE WEED LMAO
How is this guy any better than Trudeau?
>>77722684
Stupid people are actually straight edge. This is actually true, dude.
>>77724419
Johnson is a phony
>>77723098
If you ask 20 people what libertarianism is no one can give you an answer. Legalizing weed is pretty uncontroversial and something that tangibly effects a significant portion of peoples lives, especially millenials, key demographic. Neither major party candidate supports it, so naturally we're going to bring it up.
The fact the Pentagon and the CIA are funding competing rebel groups in the Syrian war is harder to explain.
>Smoked weed everyday and never studied
>Still passed first year of grad school
So stooooppid guize.
Anyone generalizing the effects of a drug is a retard. Chemicals will affect every individual differently.
>>77724419
Too busy doing interviews. Weed's not great for for talking to DC journalists, better for a drum circle.
>>77722751
The stupidity is temporary.
>>77725228
true, but the 'temporary' feeling doesn't really go away if you smoke every day
>>77724968
yes, I work full time and am entering my third year of grad school so I'm not too dumb for that, but it just makes me really lazy and unmotivated
I see weed as an equal to alcohol and have no problem with legalizing it, as long as the states place the same restrictions as alcohol onto weed, like you cant smoke until your 21, etc
>>77725410
I can agree. It all depends. I can come up with the best ideas of my life after I smoke, but fuck me if I actually want to do the research and write 10 pages on the subject. But if I ever have a mental block I can smoke, re-evaluate the situation, and write some small notes down that I can approach when I'm sober.
But of course this is only when normal. I suffered from depression for a few years and relied on weed as self-medication. This was terrible and it became a mental addiction. As long as people realize that they can become addicted to anything that artificially increases positive chemicals, they can do it in moderation.
>>77722564
>Tfw I smoke weed everyday, I'm a lolbertarian, and even I know it makes you stupid.
As much as I hate, Mitt. I've got to take his side on this one. Shit "should" also stay fucking illegal too. I say "should", but I don't inherently believe on infringing on my fellow man's right to harm himself and getting fucked up.
>>77722564
Engineer here. Marijuana doesn't make you stupid. Working for someone who tests you for it when you smoke is stupid.
>>77726404
>Engineer here
If you're going to convince people to keep up with your trash habit, you don't have to lie about your profession, only to trap yourself into an appeal to authority fallacy.
For an, "engineer". You're not that smart.
Pros:
>more creative
>more intuitive
>everything becomes more interesting in a very authentic way
>more empathetic
Cons:
>laziness
>inability to finish tasks
>anxiety
>less focus
>less assertive
>more antisocial
Smoking too often decreases the intensity of pros and increases cons. Daily smoking sure is a fun lifestyle in the beginning, but I can't understand why somebody would want to spend years in that state. Weed tends to lose its magic rather quickly in a way that not even long tolerance breaks will bring back.
>>77722564
Trust me it does in the long run.
>>77726144
The real problem is we as Americans spend more than any other country consuming illegal drugs and funding extremely violent cartels.
Even Trump has said "Legalize drugs and use tax revenue to fund drug education. (Apr 2011)
>>77726858
The only reason that I pointed out my profession that does quite well for me is that there seems to be the misconception that smoking weed makes you stupid. I'm anon right? So, there is no ego or reason to deceive here on this subject. Go ahead and make up shit about things that you have never experienced. It just makes you look foolish.
>Open borders
go to hell johnson.
>>77722564
A normal habit for an adult perhaps. If you say smoke occasionally on the weekends like one might drink every other weekend or so to some small degree that doesn't involve getting sloshed.
For people under 25 or so it will definitely make you stupid and change your brain chemistry. Young adults and kids also aren't so great at moderation.
Deal with these facts and I am all for people smoking weed.
>>77727076
>those pros
No form of smoking is really bad for you physically. It's all genetics. If you're in bad shape it won't hurt you.
As for mentally it's the same thing. Weed only hurts the mentally insane. It actually makes people smarter. The only people who don't believe this are those who sucked at doing it or never did do it to begin with.
>>77727536
>my opinion is fact
Mhm
>>77727803
>Marijuana being harmful to developing brains is an opinion
top kek. Alright my man. The rest of my statement is more or less common sense for anything. Moderation in how much food you eat, how much you drink, how much you smoke, etc.
>>77722564
Jokes on Romney, I was already stupid before I started smoking DUDE WEED
EE and physicist who gets stoned before work every day and surpasses all expectations while remaining under the radar here. Weed gives me great insight and freedom of mind.
Of course if you stay in this state for too long at a time, your other states will dampen or become non existent, so a little moderation every now and then is beneficial, but not necessary. The only reason to stop is when you find yourself falling behind, and I haven't had that problem yet. I'm boosting forward in a positive feedback loop towards time wave 0 every time I hit the pipe.
>>77726018
That is basically my position as well. It should be legalized but there needs to be far more awareness of the mental dangers that come from overuse, like anxiety and addiction/habituality.
>>77727673
Well I tried to be as unbiased as possible and only write about the experiences of me and the people I know.
>>77723447
a self-identified "stoner" isnt gonna be the intellectual type.
>>77728408
Some of us repress our anxiety and smoking weed unleashes our inner feels and thoughts. This is how weed helps anxiety by exposing it. Once it is exposed, it must be accepted. It will never be exposed without the weed (or some other force less practical than weed) and then the negative subconscious behaviors thrive. It is a tool for the self taught shaman.
>>77728448
I know a ton of people who smoke weed and we're all productive members of society, but one guy I know is a "stoner" and he is really dumb and very pseudo-intellectual
>>77728448
It's an act, that's why they all talk like faggots and pretend to be so amazed by stupid shit.
>>77727673
Yeah man let's all be like subhuman chinese streetshitters
fuck creativity
>>77722684
I don't know, smartest dude I knew was the biggest drug dealer in high school. Now he goes to Penn. One time his house got raided but he kept everything in a safe in a wall.
Oddly enough, I later discovered that he was of Jewish descent. Funny how he was willing to risk his future for quick shekels.
>>77722835
>show up to work high
>extra comfy for the first 2 hours
>high wears off
>remember how much you hate your job
Makes people stupid... not quite. It just puts you in a dream like state while conscious. Alcohol makes people stupid.
Here's the redpill on drugs-
Dumb people(particularly brown people and women) can handle downers/depressants better than smart people/lighter-skinned folks.
Smart people can handle uppers/stimulants and psychedelics better than dumb/brown/female people.
Indica weed works well with dumb people, sativa works best for smart people.
This is why you see almost nothing but women and niggers/spics losing their shit on "flakka" and other stims, and psychedelics and dissociatives.
And why you see mostly white men and asians losing their shit to things like booze, heroin, and benzos.
A stimulant drug or psychedelic in a stupid brain causes the stupid brain to become enhanced. This doesn't cause the brain to become intelligent.
On the contrary, it enhances their stupidity and primitive irrational behavior. Meanwhile, downers limit these stupid brains, making their primitive behavior more docile.
OTOH, for smart people(whites and east asians, particularly men), stimulants and psychedelics enhance intelligence and creativity, whereas downers merely dumb down and dull intelligence and creativity in smarter races/people.
Now you know how drugs work.
>>77728969
>talk like faggots and pretend to be so amazed by stupid shit.
I'm glad most of my 'stoner' friends grew out of this by the end of high school. You can only listen to some dumb whores existential woes so many times before you want to drag her around by her hair.
this is why austin petersen will always be better than gayry
it is a fact that weed will stump your brains growth
>>77728969
>>77728940
exactly. the people who call themselves "stoners" are trying to "act" like what a "stoner" would act like, pretending to be amazed by stupid shit and what not, it's no longer about the drug for them, but the drug culture. As opposed to the person who experiments with weed (or other drugs) to learn something will be more productive
>>77727938
It is an incorrect fucking opinion dude. There's scientific proof that weed is mentally helpful.
>>77729290
do you consider weed to be a psychedelic?
>>77729290
What's the redpoll on tobacco? frankly I'm convinced its harmless.
>>77722564
420 blaze it amirite
>>77730082
"Weed" is actually two drugs.
There's the stimulant Sativa, and the depressant Indica.
Sativa works well in smarter folks, indica better for dumb niggers.
You don't wanna enhance a dumb brain, and you don't wanna dumb down an intelligent brain.
>>77730188
Nicotine is a nootropic at lower doses, a poison in higher doses.
Simple as that.
Nootropics are generally good for everyone, provided you're not damaging your body in taking them. Nicotine from vapes, gums, and patches is pretty great. Smoking is terrible for health in a massive way, however.
>>77727361
>So, there is no ego or reason to deceive here on this subject.
How about the reason to perpetuate your garbage habit while lying about your profession on a Mongolian tapestry based image board?
>Go ahead and make up shit about things that you have never experienced.
Also, if you check my ID. You can see that I admitted to smoking weed err'day, retard. I'll say it again, for an "engineer", you aren't so smart.
>>77729290
This guy^
Do you need anymore proof that people who have never experienced "drugs" are the most unintelligent beings around?
>>77730654
What do you make of this then? Most of the "proof" that tobacco smoking is harmless sounds like global warming.
https://www.sott.net/article/229156-Lies-Damned-Lies-400000-Smoking-related-Deaths-Cooking-the-Data-in-the-Fascists-Anti-Smoking-Crusade
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/38868-smoking-is-good-for-you/
http://headrambles.com/smoking-out-the-truth/the-scientific-scandal-of-antismoking/#.V2CCdIpHbCR
>>77730951
Now you... you do seem like someone with an agenda you faggot.
feels good man
>>77731019
>What do you make of this then?
Bullshit.
Breathing in freshly combusted organic matter of ANY kind is VERY unhealthy. It isn't tobacco that's the problem. It's breathing in smoke. Smoke is not good for your lung tissue. It just isn't. That's not even debatable. Ask any fireman or doctor or chemist. I'm a chemist BTW.
Your lung tissue is pretty sensitive and inflames readily from agitation.
If you're going to get nicotine, do so without beating your lungs up mang.
>>77731018
What I said is correct however. There are exceptions, but generally stims and psychs are for smart people and men, depressants are for dumbasses/women.
>>77731659
Steve Jobs said LSD changed his life for the better. Bill Gates did it 7 times and said Jobs was full of shit. So there is a debate.
republicans cannot even counter this!
>>77732179
You're right. I am now a #JebHead
>>77732179
Dems are cucks who don't even beleive in self defense tho, so truly libertarianism is the answer.
>>77731977
WOW! Bill gates said that Steve Jobs was a jackass?
NO SHIT!? Man, next you'll tell me the two of them owned competing companies or some batshit insane craziness!
>>77729290
>Indica weed works well with dumb people, sativa works best for smart people.
this matches my experience exactly. Niggers (and other dumb types) always want Indica. You can literally smell the difference between stuff white people smoke and stuff nignogs smoke. The exception is people smoking Indica for muh back spasms.
>>77724789
Explain?
Daily reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZbHndilYsI
>Trump has the nom virtually in hand
>MSM starts talking about Gary Johnson
Registered Libertarian here, do not fall for the manipulation. GJ means well but now is not the election to go splitting alt-right votes away so that Hillary can get in.
>>77727076
you sound like my dad
and hes a faggot
>>77722564
>Marijuana doesn't make you stupid
Then why is he such a fucking retard?
>>77727485
Yep this rite here. I was intrigued until I heard this globalist bullshit. Blehhh
Drugs like weed or alcohol are garbage & have no place in society.
>>77732904
Johnson actually takes more from Hillary atm. It makes sense, actual Liverals are sick of progressives and been puts think Billary is the devil. These people will never vote for trump, so giving them another option might be the game changer trump needs to win.
>>77732775
That Sowell video is spot on as always.
He's the quintessential example of diamond in the rough.
Heroin and meth for example are dirt-cheap to make, as long as you can get the precursors legally. Acetic anhydride for example is cheap as fuck, and is the main ingredient needed to convert naturally extracted morphine into diacetylmorphine, aka heroin.
>>77733262
What do you do on weekends with your friends?
>>77722564
Today is the last day I am using it for a while. From here on out I am on nicotine only. Time to study hard. It might not make you stupid but it is expensive escapism and escapism is a waste of good time.
>>77732688
I'm a white dude who loves indica. 20 yrs old studying biopsych. I'd say I'm smarter than the average joe for sure.
got a 1400 on my SATs if that counts for anything, never taken an IQ test though.
>>77733400
>some stupid normie who parties on the weekends defending booze & pot
im not surprised by this
before you imply im against all drugs, im not.
Plenty of drugs help you be productive, focused, energetic. These stimulants are good.
Plenty of drugs help anxiety & help you relax correctly.
Weed & alcohol are popular, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be replaced with much better alternatives.
>>77733603
smoke 1-2 bowls of heavy indica every night, since I was about 16.
My dad also smokes indica every day since he was a kid. He's a successful chemical engineer.
>>77733561
deep thought time =/= wasted time
its how you figure out what the fuck is really going on
>>77733749
>>77733603
>so-called "intelligent" stoners citing anecdotal evidence for weed's harmlessness
i know successful alcoholics and dope addicts too, i wouldn't argue that those substances are good for you though
>>77733749
>smoke every day
>BUT ITS NOT ADDICTIVE, ITS NOT A CRUTCH
this is one of the biggest problems & why we cant have nice things
retarded normies ABUSE drugs by taking them EVERY DAY
i dont give a fuck what it is, NEVER TAKE IT EVERY DAY
have some fucking self control
>>77733262
They do have a place though. They are markers of degenerate shitpiles.
>>77733730
You didn't answer the question
>>77733929
when did I say it wasn't addictive?
just giving anecdotes, no need to get buttblasted.
thanks for the advice but I'll pass
>>77731659
Did ou read the scientific links and actually take a hard look at what those three were saying? How do you explain the number of long lived smokers, or the disparity in smoking between the U.S. and say, Greece or Japan, where smoking is more common but not as ostracized?
http://fightantismokertyranny.blogspot.com/2009/06/japanese-smoking-paradox.html?m=1
>if you wanna get nicotine do it without inflaming your lungs man
Well even if you feel that way, secondhand smoke is obviously bullshit, it's the reason people usually give for wanted to ban smoking indoors like a bunch of fascists.
>>77733929
get off my board you raging normie
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>77733783
>deep thought time =/= wasted time
Yeah I know that is why I liked it in the first place, I think I can do that without marijuana though. Just sit and stare at a ceiling and think.
>>77733929
Marijuana is a weak ass drug for anyone with any experience, of course you are going to use it every day, just like you use coffee every day and nicotine every day. That is what you do with weak ass drugs.
>>77734167
watch your mouth faggot or ill meme you up the ass
>>77722564
smoking marijuana does make you stupid
it makes you so stupid, you cannot tell you're becoming stupid
people who smoke weed are retarded in general. they have shitty personalities and are just trying to escape from the world and themselves.
>>77734269
>Marijuana is a weak ass drug for anyone with any experience, of course you are going to use it every day, just like you use coffee every day and nicotine every day. That is what you do with weak ass drugs.
this
>>77734343
Yeah, and these are the misconceptions that come from people who do not smoke marijuana. To them I say, are you content after one sip of coffee? How about only one cup of coffee? And are you content only having that cup once a week? Fools.
>>77734269
its a lot easier to do without marijuanas once youve had a ton of experiences doing it with the marijuanas
>>77734084
that part was more in general, many stoners make that claim.
when someone talks about weed, its always mentioned in the argument that it is totally non-addictive, when it is in fact both physically & psychologically addictive
>>77734306
2COMFY4U
>>77734339
>he says the day after a raging party where he got blackout drunk
>>77733730
I do enjoy booze and pot. I'm open to other stimulants as replacements.
You'd agree prohibition of alcohol was a mistake, right? The arguments for legalizing pot are similar.
If the argument is for a societal change away from excess booze/drug use, I agree as well. I do beleive a part of life is enjoying yourself and people do that in different ways, and it wouldn't be for me to say how people should act, although obviously when you bring harm to the equation it's different.
>>77734269
>>77734343
>of course i'm going to use it every day
>it's just so weak i barely even feel it yet i also must have it every day and crave it if i don't
>it's just like coffee i swear guys you're the real addicts not me
delusional
>>77734343
Any drug you take every day is going to have decreasing rewards
And you're creating a problem
Why do that? why not keep it potent & either have "coffee" once a week OR have "coffee" one day and "tea" another day
just shutup, it all boils down to you being an addict & that happens BECAUSE YOU TOOK IT EVERY DAY
TOLERANCE GOES UP
MONEY GOES DOWN
ADDICTION GOES UP
BOY TAKING SOMETHING EVERY DAY SURE IS SMART
YOU SURE SHOWED ME
jesus fucking christ
>>77728704
nah dude, the weed is causing your anxiety
>>77722564
eu dou graça a deus que não dei chance pra essa merda da helena quando peguei meu salário. esnobe filha da puta. eu só faria fazer parte da coleção de tico dessa pedófila filha da puta. depois vem com essa que chora, mas vai te fuder. tu não sabe que é não porque tu temo cú cheio de dinheiro. aproveita e some da minha vista filha da puta, porque tu vai ficar pro resto da tua vida balançando te rabo co um utçao em volta de mim, que eu só vou menosprezar. e eu tô cagando pra quem tu é. pode tomar no cú que eu não ligo. ass felipe.
>>77734759
thats what he said....but its a good thing to expose your anxieties
what scares you?
>>77722684
>tfw working on PHD and smoke daily
I gave up drinking 3 years ago after I completed my Bachelor's because it was getting to a point where it was becoming extremely unhealthy.
I smoke a few joints a day now and I haven't been happier. I've even managed to lose 20lbs, I credit this to no more alcohol and eating better, but as a kid I was also prescribed concerta, adderal, ritalin, paxil etc. and I haven't touched any of those since I was 16 (coincidentally, when I started to smoke pot.)
I understand that pot tends to attract many low level IQ and straight up losers, and I credit that a lot to the "weed culture" which I don't associate myself with, but now since all of the legalization / MM states you have a crossing of the two historic demos of pot smokers: the stoners/"weed culture"/hippy types and the discreet, non-weed culture, work/family/business oriented types. They cross now in the sense that there is actual legal and legit businesses required to sell legal pot to people that want it, regardless if they identify as a stoner or just someone that likes to smoke some pot after work, while studying, etc.
I will agree though that I find the 'weed culture' to be completely degenerate inherently. It makes me cringe, but I understand why it exists and why it will always exist: it's an escapism for those people that realize their life is never going to be more than what it already is. For the majority of them they will live of a life of being poor with no real talents or marketable skills and will live a life of sub-mediocrity. So they have to latch onto something.
>>77734739
tolerance is just not a problem with weed unless you literally smoke all day
I've met alot of drug users in my life. I work in rehab. Generally they aren't stupid as in unintelligent stupid, but they often have a deficit of common sense. They're the kind of people who put tinfoil in a microwave then wonder why it caught fire.
>>77734886
>but its a good thing to expose your anxieties
said no doctor ever
>it's a good thing to expose your arteries, once the blood is exposed it must be accepted
>>77733929
literally this aaaaaaand
/thread
>>77734458
I agree
>>77734738
You know what is delusional is someone with no experience using marijuana telling people what's what. Look up Dunning-Kruger. And read this post of mine because it applies to you, and people who think in a similar fashion to you. >>77734452
>>77734896
Having or working on a PhD doesn't make you smart by the way.
I've worked with plenty of PhD candidates who were absolutely awful researchers and have worked with people with PhDs who were equally retarded.
>>77722564
I've smoked weed every day for 15 years. I'm definitely not as sharp as I used to be, so there's that.
>>77734886
its not "exposing" your anxiety
its making you lazy and subconsciously you realize, "oh shit i havent done anything all day and im basically a drug addict", so you start to feel anxious and like a loser.
"repressed anxiety" isn't a thing unless you break down in panic attacks every once in a while. THAT person is probably repressing their anxiety and they are other obvious symptoms such as defensiveness, solipsistic attitude, lack of empathy and narcissistic traits.
one of the biggest symptoms of withdrawal from marijuana as well as over-use is anxiety, not because you're finding the real you, but because of a very physical, chemical reason: flooding your brain with THC and then removing it.
>>77735106
>no experience using marijuana
and you're basing that assumption on...what, exactly?
>>77722564
That makes plenty of sense coming from a Libertarian.
But in seriousness, how do you combat drug addiction when the government turns around and says it's okay by legalizing it?
>>77735306
>support programs :^)
>>77735235
Well why don't you tell me your experience and why it is valid for you to tell people about marijuana addiction. Also you are going to want some specialists to back up your claims.
Who gives a shit, just legalize everything, regardless of how shitty and addictive it is. Taxation and regulation are valuable assets, and offset the cost of whatever degeneracy may occur.
>>77735400
found the aussie
>>77735501
>>77735474
i've smoked weed probably over 1000 times between the ages of 17 and 22 so i feel like i'm qualified to have an opinion on it, thanks for trying to discredit me though. now you provide your qualifications since we're playing that game apparently
>>77722564
DUDE
weed made him dumb enough to be an open borders libertarian so its obviously not a great thing to do
>>77735579
Been straight sober for 8 years actually. I'm just looking at it from an economic standpoint.
>>77735674
>no escape for 8yrs
did you quit for economic reasons?
be honest
>>77735674
>legalize drugs like heroin and increase drug addiction, disease and crime drastically
>trust me it will be good for he economy
libertarians are so fucking retarded
>>77735583
Do you think that smoking that much for that long is going to have permanent effects on a persons mind? If not then why is it a problem? Saying that it kills motivation is an assumption, of course you don't know the user and how motivated he was before and after smoking. So the only negative effects would have to be damage caused by the drug itself, such as brain damage. You've been using for a while, why don't you tell us if there is any brain damage, and you should also consult some experts on that. Remember that calling my arguments a game is not an argument.
>>77735843
Portugal has passed legalization 15 years ago, and set up "injection facilities" where heroin users can stop by and shoot up in a safe, clean environment under medical supervision. As a result, both drug abuse and drug-related deaths in the country have decreased steeply. When substances are legalized and regulated, people who are trying to cure their addictions will have access to a purer product, instead of shooting up some tainted product in a subway station with a rusty needle. The majority of drug-related deaths are in fact caused by the users being exposed to those unsafe, unsanitary conditions.
>>77735909
>Do you think that smoking that much for that long is going to have permanent effects on a persons mind?
hopefully not permanent but it definitely has an affect on the mind, there's a reason i quit.
>Saying that it kills motivation is an assumption,
i didn't say that though, you might be mistaking me for someone else. we have IDs so you can track this shit. but i know personally it did kill my motivation which has since been restored now that i've quit.
>So the only negative effects would have to be damage caused by the drug itself, such as brain damage
i don't think you've studied the science behind this that extensively based on the language you're using. neither have i for that matter, but at least i've read enough to recognize when someone doesn't really know what they're talking about.
how many sources have YOU cited for YOUR claims in this thread by the way?
>>77723447
One of my friends vapes weed everyday and is extremely successful (goes to ivy league, multiple hobbies/extracurriculars, nationally ranked track runner). People like that are definitely outliers, but they exist.
also,
weed = freedom
freedom to use a natural product in my own body, as i see fit
why do you guys hate freedom so much?
>>77736386
>natural product
this is a term only retards use
alot of medicine comes from extracting key alkaloids from a plant
so many things are "natural" and its a fallacy to use that in your argument
There's millions more stupid people that don't do drugs.
>>77736577
if you're trying to argue that weed IS NOT a natural product, you about to lose.
>ban water.
>its a key ingredient in many street drugs
>>77736844
that's not what he was arguing though retard, put the pipe down for a minute
>so many things are "natural" and its a fallacy to use that in your argument
is what he is arguing
>>77736844
marijuana today is much stronger than natural marijuana (schwag you get from mexico)
>>77734095
>secondhand smoke is obviously bullshit
I'll agree with this, with what I know of chemistry and biology.
As for your other questions, genetics. But I can promise you, breathing in fresh smoke is very damaging to lung tissue. The combusted organic material is highly reactive when fresh from the heat. That's what causes the great inflammation.
>>77736844
It didn't sound like that's he argument the anon was making. To me he was just pointing out the futility of you pointing out it's a "natural product." Many products that emerge in nature are healthy, many are neutral, and many are lethally toxic. Your statement means nothing.
>>77736987
thats what i was arguing before he tried to strawman me
why dont you re-read the whole thread faggot and go smoke something
Stupid is as stupid does
>>77737221
no, you need to learn how to read. he was never arguing that weed isn't a natural product. the halfling's leaf has clearly clouded your mind.
>>77737188
and you want some fag in a suit telling me what i can and cant touch
FUCK YOU
>>77736171
No I never claimed any knowledge I was just pointing out to you that if you would like to continue making claims in this thread that you should have a citation for it. Someone has to call you out on it or else you can continue to make claims with no proof.
>>77737480
i haven't made any unreasonable claims, all i'm doing ITT is refuting the terrible arguments put forth by potheads like yourself
>>77737001
How is "marijuana today" not natural? You sound like my great grandparents.
>>77737469
Y-you... I... What?
I just said all substances should be legalized because of the economic belefits.
I'm sorry. You're too stupid to know you're stupid.
>>77723138
He's on weed dude...
>>77737563
if i'm a pothead because i smoke
then what does that make you if you only breathe?
>>77722564
It most likely is a combination of factors. Typically a teenager with a growing brain starts consuming prodigious amounts of weed or alcohol altering the brain chemistry drastically.
Instead of telling people this the retarded republicunts of old just wagged thier finger and proclaimed "drugs r bad" and made stupid infomercials. Then profited off it by making drugs illegal and carry hefty sentences lining thier pockets with govt money through the judicial system.
>>77737469
>>77737710
there's no way you're not either a troll or underage b&
>>77737105
>As for your other questions, genetics. But I can promise you, breathing in fresh smoke is very damaging to lung tissue. The combusted organic material is highly reactive when fresh from the heat. That's what causes the great inflammation.
But in the link it stated that American Japanese people still got the same illnesses. Something tells me combining smoking with something else may be the problem, instead of smoking being the causative factor.
>I'll agree based on what I know of chemistry and biology
Well at least there's that. It's sad that people can't even smoke tobacco at work or planes anymore. It's all been pushed to bars and smoke shops.
>>77737600
they have radically increased its potency through breeding. marijuana today is nearly downright psychadelic. try some brick and then try some medical. the difference is astounding.
>>77722564
Keep talking about weed American Weedman. You're gonna take more Hillary votes.
>>77735306
You tax the drug and funnel that money into better rehabilitation clinics and research in helping those affected.
>>77735216
you just got old, i smoked everyday for 20 years, the dumb cloudy effect wears off in a week or less
>>77722748
>temporarily
not if you smoke all the time
which is what most potheeds do
In a bold move, it seems that even Gary Johnson isn't taking any of Mitt Romney's shit.
It seems like the establishment Republicans are really fucked at this point, with no place to run.
>>77738081
lol so you willingly lived with that "dumb cloudy effect" for 20 years? talk about wasted potential.
>>77722564
I enjoy weed but its definitely made Gay Johnson stupid.
>libertarian
>gun control
I somehow hate this guy worse than Hillary, he just looks like such a douche.
i hate when faggots talk about drugs but have never done them
like it's one of the few things that you need to experience before you can talk about it as it literally alters your perception and one of the few humanly possible ways to change your perception
>>77737826
i am the age of twice your mother, less the years of your fathers child thrice
>>77737563
A terrible argument such as why you should smoke marijuana?
A terrible argument such as why you should not smoke marijuana?
Why are you concerning yourself with the virtue of other people, and how far will you take that concern? Are you concerned about whether or not other people use coffee or not? Hey if they don't they might not be alert enough! We must need the government to control all this stuff.
Really, why are you arguing this? You wouldn't want to force people to follow your opinions right? I think you need to go browse a more normal website with more yuppies and baby boomers.
>>77722564
>Mitt the Shitt
Pretty ironic coming from a stupid loser like him.
>>77722564
Thanks Gaz, and he's not jewish! so he's not lying!
The retards on /pol/ fall for any propaganda cartoon and believe anyone who smokes weed has is a dirty hippy with dreads and contributes nothing to society.
If you hate on weed but drink alcohol you're a stupid piece of shit.
>>77738483
>A terrible argument such as why you should smoke marijuana?
>A terrible argument such as why you should not smoke marijuana?
what the fuck are you talking about? are you actually a child? no, i've only refuted claims far more outlandish and unsupported than "you should or shouldn't smoke weed." again, we have IDs now. you can see what i've posted ITT.
>Really, why are you arguing this?
because i love watching buttblasted stoners try to justify their bad habits
>>77738649
seems like youre addicted to shitposting
GET HELP
>>77737912
Definitely true
>>77738483
>Are you concerned about whether or not other people use coffee or not?
no because we've studied coffee extensively and concluded that harmful effects are minimal and the withdraw symptoms are a few days of general crabbiness and headaches. you can't say the same type of thing for weed yet because we don't have the evidence. plus weed is far more impairing than coffee (this is not debatable if you take yourself seriously).
>>77738959
>its supernatural now
>implying thats not more natural than natural
>>77738456
You could make the same argument for traveling the world, something not many people are lucky enough to experience, and one could argue that it also drastically alters your perception and most people are missing out.
Everything is an experience, whether it's doing drugs, traveling the world, writing a novel, etc. None of them are necessary in life, and their importance are only relevant to the individual.
>>77723138
>>77737692
anon couldn't respond due to a dab overdose
>>77737912
So, do you lightweights consider dabbing natural? SMFH. It is a fucking plant that you can grow for yourself. Just smoke and enjoy. It is all completely natural unless you fuck it up somehow.
>>77739319
bruh its bad for you and life is better without it
>>77739319
>Just smoke and enjoy
that's right goyim, just smoke and enjoy. it's good for you. sit back and watch a movie or some youtube videos, maybe listen to some music. wouldn't want you thinking too much now
>>77727076
hey jarmo
i need some weed because i ran out of my anti-psychotic
JAAAAAAAAAAAAARRMOOOOOOOOOO
>>77722564
>mfw never done an illegal drug in my life
>got shit all through life from normie assholes for being "uptight" and "prissy"
>HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME OMG BY NOT DOING THIS WITH ME I CANT EVEN IT CURES DESEASEEEEEE
>all the data coming out now just confirms that drugs are to speed up the degenerating of degenerates
Feelsgood. The insecurity of stoners and casual druggies is so apparent when you simply don't partake in their consensus. They fucking know somewhere inside them they are doing something bad for them so they go through mental loops and cling to anything to justify it to themselves.
>>77739511
So smoking some weed is now something that the jews are doing to keep the herd stupid? Is that what you are trying to say? If anything, it opens your eyes to all the trickery by the elite.
>>77739812
>all the data
All the government approved anti-drug data, you mean.
How about ou post some of this """""""data""""""" you speak of.
>>77739511
>>77739812
You guys are some dense mother fuckers.
>>77740097
>If anything, it opens your eyes to all the trickery by the elite.
lolno. it's not a fucking psychedelic dude. not even LSD "opens your eyes to the trickery of the elite", i can tell you from personal experience it's all hippy bullshit
>>77740229
>a fucking leaf
>>77724419
the world isn't ready for a stoned president and johnson realizes this
>>77739812
Pretty much. They don't seem to care whether you support drug legalization or not - but if you don't partake in their culture, you instantly become an object of ridicule to them.
>>77722564
>a politician with no scientific background says things that he doesn't know about to gain voters
wow, election years are great
>>77738649
>>77739033
You have not given any reason of evidence with a citation as to why it should be illegal though, so now your whole argument is just apparently to convince people to chose not to use. If you thought your confirmation bias was bad, look at marijuana users. They are not going to listen to you. I'm arguing with Turks in another thread that is much more interesting than this libertarian 101 shit.
My friend was doing weed all highschool long.
He graduated, he studied at university, and is now a doctor.
I always hated drugs and i am a worthless neet right now.
It's not the drug, it's the human.
Well educated people from good families just doesn't smoke that often, but i think you can discuss about this topic for decades.
Just legalize this shit already so these stupid discussions and shill threads are done with.
It's the same as alcohol and tobacco, and it won't make all society mindless monkeys, if alcohol did, we would all be dead by now.
People smoke it like with alcohol, mostly on social situations, just to have a great time.
But with every substance, and any other hobby, or behaviour, everything can have a negative impact on you if you do it too often.
>sit too long get back pain
>be alone for years get mental illness
>be eating just pizza get fat
Everything is deadly and dangerous if you do it every day, and every time.
>>77741021
>You have not given any reason of evidence with a citation as to why it should be illegal though
i'm starting to think you're a little too stoned to make a coherent argument. again for the third time, you can see what i've posted ITT. i haven't said anything about weed's legal status. legal or illegal, it doesn't matter.
>>77740780
What are you going on about?
Who is ridiculing you?
It doesn't matter if you do it or not just don't spout stupid shit like some of the ones above you. Look at all the ridicule against the people who are for it.
>>77741267
>i'm starting to think you're a little too stoned to make a coherent argument.
Oh, look who is not impervious to assumptions!
>again for the third time, you can see what i've posted ITT. i haven't said anything about weed's legal status. legal or illegal, it doesn't matter.
So you are arguing to convince people to chose not to use? That's kind of what I said.
>>77737851
I loath dogooders and safety freaks far more than I do health threats like smoking.
I would never smoke cigs, but I'll NEVER support smoking bans either.
Dogooders should be drug into the street and shot in the god damn face.
Including dogooders ITT.
Hands off my flakka you steaming pile of cuntmeat.
>>77722564
ITS their plan all along
>>77741465
>>77741423
>Oh, look who is not impervious to assumptions!
kind of hard not to notice when you repeatedly try to refute arguments i haven't even made
>So you are arguing to convince people to chose not to use?
not really, i'm generally arguing that it's not a harmless mind-opening miracle drug like some would have you believe
>>77740780
Reminds me of this sheboon I knew back when I was more poz'd and "multicultural". She had managed to crawl out of her ghetto without getting into sex and drugs at a young age like her peers, only to get caught up in Cali decadence and start smoking pot like a chimney.
She had a personality 180 and was suddenly all about stoner culture and it became all she talked about with her fat neckbeard bf who got her into it.
The reason I bring it up is because she was a huge weeb and was like "maaaaan I just wanna get high with some Japanese people it would be so awesome duuuude" and proceeded to get huffy when I told her the Japanese are very anti-drug including pot.because they are a very dignified race and are adverse to "polluting" their bodies which is has a religious connotation as well.
She thought it would be easy to get some random Jap on vacation to break the law in another country and when she couldn't she just called them "brainwashed bigots".
Some people benefit from it, some don't. As with any drugs.
I can't take penicillin, but it can save most of your lives. Even still, I have nothing against it.
>>77741603
Well let me correct you, I am not high.
>not really, i'm generally arguing that it's not a harmless mind-opening miracle drug like some would have you believe
Prove it.
>>77741363
Well, the fellow at >>77735804 for example, only focused on the fact that I've been sober for 8 years. Many people like him say that as if feeling comfortable and content in your default state of mind is something to be ridiculed.
>>77741683
I met a person from Japan that came to the US to work on robotics project with me. One of the first things he wanted to do was to smoke weed.
>>77741683
>and proceeded to get huffy when I told her the Japanese are very anti-drug including pot.because they are a very dignified race and are adverse to "polluting" their bodies which is has a religious connotation as well.
Then why do they smoke and celebrate tobacco so much? Checkmate weed haters.
>>77741859
i can't prove it, i'm not a scientist and there are so many conflicting results from the studies about weed that there isn't anything close to a scientific consensus right now. nobody can prove anything. i could go find a few studies that say weed is bad for you, and you'd probably just go find a few that say it's good for you. nobody in this thread has posted a shred of evidence for anything, including you.
do you ever get tired of making the same tired "argument": "wheres the evidence bro" "wheres your evidence" "i dont see any evidence"
>>77741683
Japs like their drugs.
They're just very conservative and reserved about it. It's an east-asian thing.
>>77741977
>>77742091
The average Jap will not want to associate with you if you do illegal drugs of any kind. Its very taboo there especially for women.
Of course their are exceptions like the types of Japs that work and study in America which are already crazy for wanting to leave the hive as well as yakuza and the dregs of society.
>>77742076
Why are you so strongly against it then if either side has concrete evidence? That last statement could be used against you as well.
>>77742528
because i can't stand faggots who claim that it has no harmful effects ever on anybody, that it opens your mind to the government's lies, that it's automatically good because its natural, etc.
if you want to smoke weed, whatever. i think you're weaker for doing it but it's your choice. but don't act like it has never had a negative effect on anyone or it's some miracle drug
>>77722564
>a libertarian using "it isn't harmful so it should be legal" as an argument for legalization
even if it were more damaging than crocodile, it should still be legal
>>77742272
Yeah... he was real crazy with a PhD.. real dreg of society.
>>77742780
>if you want to smoke weed, whatever. i think you're weaker for doing it but it's your choice. but don't act like it has never had a negative effect on anyone or it's some miracle drug
See this is why people dislike you in this thread. You're shaming people for using drugs.
Also, medicine is medicine. The positive medical effects of tobacco, weed, ecstasy, and tons of other drugs both legal and illegal are well documented and prove beneficial effects. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others can't find out just how useful it is for themselves.
>>77742780
Fair enough, I hate those fuckers too.
But going against it the same intensity those guys defend it as is the same annoying shit.
I CANT BELIEVE I CAN JUST GO BUY SOME SODIUM CYANIDE ONLINE!!!!!
WE NEED LAWS PEOPLE
>smoking anything
>willfully inhaling heated tar and carbon monoxide
I'll have an edible once in awhile, but I won't consume it from my lungs.
>>77742780
>because i can't stand faggots who claim that it has no harmful effects ever on anybody
Best to ignore these retards. They're as idiotic as the dogooders tbqmfh.
Really, unless you have some education in pharmacology, medicine, or at least chemistry, you have no business speaking about drugs of any kind.
Mind you, I said education, not a "degree", because plenty of degree holders of chem/med have no good education on these matters.
You'll need to know your methyls from your methoxys if you wanna dance the pharmacotango.
>>77742076
>i can't prove it, i'm not a scientist
Sorry for being so confusing but that is sort of the point I was trying to drive home here. Now here is what you wrote immediately after writing that:
>there are so many conflicting results from the studies about weed that there isn't anything close to a scientific consensus right now
Which would be like my sister telling me what's going on in the UN this month. It doesn't make sense, how would you know that? Is that based on how many studies you can find on google? Not good. Not verified.
>nobody in this thread has posted a shred of evidence for anything, including you.
I am not making any claims that require sources. I have been spending most of my time in this thread questioning the validity of what you have to say. I wonder how many people in this thread are listening to you versus ignoring you.
>do you ever get tired of making the same tired "argument": "wheres the evidence bro" "wheres your evidence" "i dont see any evidence"
I never get tired of calling people out on fallacious arguments, not just a lack of evidence but all sorts of fallacies. This for example is not relevant to our inquiry. People should point out bad arguments.
>>77743434
>dance the pharmacotango
shulgin plz go
>>77742950
Explain to me how alcohol (which can kill you in one night if you drink enough) should be legal and marijuana (which you could smoke non-stop all night and get nothing worse than sore throat and hunger pains) should not
>>77743434
Ita funny this kind of stuff is on /pol/ and not /sci/.
>>77739109
What
There is nothing "supernatural" about strong weed, it's just strong
>smoke weed everyday
>everything chill as fuck
>too lazy to get a gf
>too lazy to get a better job
>makes me eat shitfood which makes me fat
>too lazy to work out
goddamnit weed
>>77742780
Son , I hate to tell you but for some people it is a miracle drug.
I'm in constant pain , tried everything from Vicodin to Fentanyl.
Marijuana lozenges have allowed me to cut my opiate use in half and really aids in helping my appitite and muscle relaxation.
Yes it can be abused but so can booze.
I say let people do what they want and allow people with chronic pain to try it and see if it helps them.
I was a skeptic. I honestly thought it only helped people because they were so fucking baked they would not notice.
I gave it a shot and it worked for me and its far less damaging to my brain and body versus the opiate alternatives.
>>77743947
nah, youre just a low T faggot
>>77743947
no you're just a faggot nigger kike
>>77743576
RIP you crazy bastard.
Dr.Shulgin was the epitome of scientist.
A man taking a journey into the unknown using his own body and home as a lab.
And the fact that he made the DEA rage like the little cunts they are over publishing his own papers just proves how badass he was.
>>77743699
/sci/ is a joke. I stopped using it several years ago. Too many uneducated opinions and too much trolling.
>>77743579
it shouldn't even be relevant and we'll always run into situations like this if most of the society wants bunch of idiots or corrupt fucks to dictate them which substances they are allowed to ingest.
>>77744061
>>77744486
Fuck off ameriniggers
>>77744513
They actually think secondhand smoke can be bad for you. They have a clear anti-smoking stance that is completely ruled by ideaology for the most part. They also believe in climate change being caused by human activity so I guess this isn't surprising to me.
It's sad that /pol/ is far more science than /sci/.
>>77734570
>b-bu-but beer
so? just because beer makes someone stupid doesn't men marijuana is a miracle drug
>>77727076
the best way to smoke weed is holiday binge smoking when you have nothing on your plate then taking a few months for your tolerance to reset
>>77744937
Look I don't touch drugs, but based on what I've gathered, it's pretty clear that weed helps
>multiple sclerosis
>epilepsy
>depression
>glaucoma
>cancer
Deal with it.
>>77743153
>You're shaming people for using drugs.
yeah, i am. deal with it. i shame people who get drunk every day too. medicinal weed users get a pass but most of the time they'd be fine with other medications that don't get them high too yet conveniently stick with weed. BHO or concentrate shit like that in small doses that don't really get you high are how people who legitimately use weed as medicine take it.
>>77722564
MUH DADDY TAUGHT ME THAT REEFER ROTS YER BRAIN, HE ALSO TAUGHT ME M'BOUT GOD N JESUS, DAMN AHM SMAWRT
>>77745802
cannabinoidaphobe detected
>>77745802
>I shame people who get drunk every day too.
Wow you sound like a really dumb person who hates freedom to experiment with ones body.
But why?
>>77722564
Maybe its just a coincidence, but once i started smoking weed and eventually moved on to other drugs, I became more and more stupid
>>77746176
>freedom to experiment with ones body
>spending more days of the week drunk or stoned than sober
why are you trying to make it sound like these are the same thing? they're not. one i'm fine with, one i'm not.
>>77746298
you did them wrong
>>77729290
what a bunch of crap unless by losing one's shit you somehow mean having proclivity to abuse something. only dumb people lose their shit on alcohol and no-one loses his shit on heroin.
>>77722751
Only if you let it
>>77744874
I grew up with smokers in the house. Mom, dad, brother, others...
My lungs are pristine despite all that secondhand.
But my mom hacks, as does my brother. And my father also had a nasty cough before he died from unrelated issues.
I never heard that horrible cough from nonsmokers. Only from heavy smokers.
The thing about secondhand smoke is, it's not fresh from the flame. It's been out into the air and fully oxidized, and thus it's not as reactive as firsthand. Same with smoke from fires. Haze smoke isn't nearly as damaging as fresh smoke, because it's cooled and reacted fully, so it doesn't cause the inflammatory reaction that leads to tissue damage. Smog can be pretty nasty however, particularly due to ozone. Ozone is highly reactive and oxidative. It is by far the most dangerous component to smog, with nitrogen oxides in second place(they're also strongly oxidative).
>>77746377
You've spent the entire thread basically saying drugs are bad and that you shame drug users. I know they aren't the same, but why are you a dick?
>>77746988
>me: I drink alcohol every day and it absolutely ruins your liver
>you: Only if you let it.
this is what you sound like
>>77747139
>but why are you a dick?
because it's muh freedom
Foreigners must wonder why Americans will overwhelmingly vote for one of the two worst candidates this country has seen in a century, instead of a candidate who is reasonable and respected.
The answer is simple: we are fucking stupid.
Hillary voters are stupid.
Trump voters are stupid.
not much more to it than that.
>it doesn't make you stupid
Yeah so that's why it's been found to permanently lower IQ, lower motivation, and much more?
>>77747054
Well, /sci/ seems to be under the impression that over time secondhand smoke becomes some kind of health risk which is major bullshit. I don't know what these guys are doing to make themselves so deluded.
>>77747153
Smoking a little sativa every day is probably a boon for one's mind and body. LIGHT smoking of course. You can easily repair light amounts of damage caused by smoking cigs or joints. It's when you exceed your body's healing ability that the damage really starts setting in.
The anti-inflammatory effects in cannabis can help, but only up to a point. Vaping is a far healthier option, as vaped compounds are not made highly reactive like combusted particles. The same applies to nicotine. Vapes are practically nontoxic in standard use.
>>77747737
>I don't know what these guys are doing to make themselves so deluded.
Liberal arts students with zero chemistry/pharmacology education.
Last thread I posted in on /sci/ was about 4 years ago. Some guy raided an abandoned research place and scooped up some abandoned glassware and labware. I was thoroughly impressed by his findings. He managed to scoop up some VERY pricey pieces. Most of it was useless to a typical home experimenter, but selling it would have netted him thousands.
But yeah. Too much ignorance there. And just the fact that religion/atheist threads were allowed completely drove me away.
A science board is no fucking place for religion and atheism topics. Fucking hell moot.
>>77747799
>Smoking a little sativa every day is probably a boon for one's mind and body.
i think that's highly questionable, but even i would be willing to say that smoking A LITTLE (seriously, just a little. like one or two hits) sativa is probably not at all bad for you and might help certain people with some health issues. the problem is that nobody i've ever known (including myself) is able to just smoke a little bit every day. everybody i know starts out getting ripped off of one hit and a few years later ends up taking like 10 dabs a day just to get high
>>77729221
Just go blaze in the empty lot across the street
