Well, /pol/?
save a life
bin that _______
>(dozens of examples where one gun owner literally did make a difference)
>>77478316
No, the shooter had a shootout with patrol officers. SWAT teams didn't arrive until later.
>>77478316
Probably because they were outside the venue and were treating it as a hostage situation.
The US swat team aren't the fucking spetsnaz, they don't just storm the place with no care for hostages.
>>77478486
SPOON
Sage this thread, it's just more shilling.
>>77478316
Well you see, the average gun owner would be able to react a lot quicker than a police unit. Is that to say a good guy with a gun could stop a bad guy with a gun? I can't say yes or no, but it only took one of those guys to kill that guy, not 11
>>77478316
I thought a private citizen was "no match" for the military or police.
Seems like they might be quite a hefty match after all.
>>77478316
What?
Doesn't that mean 11 SWAT = 1 gun owner?
Then another gun owner could easily have take out Omar
>>77478316
one gun owner inside the club >>>>>>> twenty gun owners stuck outside the club
especially when it's a fucking hostage situation
>>77478486
assault rif(le)
>>77478316
This makes no sense whatsoever.
By that logic, the orlando shooter would have stood no chance against a single armed civilian, and he would have needed a swat team to kill all those people.
>>77478316
>It took 11 of these
So the kebab was a raid boss that one gun owner simply doesn't have enough DPS for?
>you can't overthrow an oppressive government by legally owning a gun. the police is too strong
>you can't kill a guy who legally owns a gun. It took 11 police officers to do so
>>77478700
>The US swat team aren't the fucking spetsnaz, they don't just storm the place with no care for hostages.
Where does that meme even come from? Anglo Propaganda?
>>77478316
An average gun owner wouldn't have waited three hours. Go kill yourself, shill.
>>77478316
>takes a swat squad to take out one civilian with a gun
>guns are useless to fight the government
>>77479539
Some theater where most hostages were killed with a gas if I remember correctly. /k/ should know. I'll go ask them
>>77478316
So I guess it would be impossible then for the Government to use force to take guns from the people, considering the high amount of gun owners I don't think the Government has the troops to take em.
>>77478316
What a waste of taxes
>>77478316
It took 11 of them to take out a gun owner.
It just takes one gun owner for one gun owner.
>>77478316
the gunman knew guns were not allowed inside the club
in a crowd, outside a club, the gunman can be shot from all directions, alone he stands no chance
>>77478316
When you have to save lives , you can't just go full speznatz.
Duh.
If their wasn't a worry of aids blood contaminating the drinking water they would of probably used a predator drone to take out the city block .
Murrica
>>77478700
No. They sit outside with no care for hostages.
>>77479384
>>77479709
>Implying the government wont turn to a state of Martial Law.
>Gunman dead via self inflicted wounds from a random hero that tackled him.
>Gunman dead via police
>Gunman dead killed via SWAT
You still believe anything they tell you?
>>77478316
>1 post
>>77478789
>Doesn't that mean 11 SWAT = 1 gun owner?
Not 1 gun owner, 1 angry homosexual demi-questioning oppressed by the Patriarchy.
1 gun owner would have do shit against 1 oppressed guy getting back to the Patriarchy. Too too many gays and latinos around. Too many people to shoot first. It requires a full team of skilled oppressing policemen of the Patriarchy trained to focus on a single target to oppress.
Not even die hard gunowners would carry while being at a nightclub.
>>77478316
>1 post by this ID
Really stupid of you, /pol. Really fucking stupid.
>>77480180
I think the matriarchy is responsible in that case, the bouncer was a woman, that's insulting to gays and to muslims
>>77478777
Exactly
Why didn't they just drone strike the building?
>>77480269
They're stupid because they can't fucking refute my post.
Gun nuts = eternally BTFO
>>77478316
hard for an average gun owner to step into a military controlled psyop stage set
>>77480389
you haven't replied to anyone
>>77480389
Except they already did you raging faggot.
>>77478316
49 armed gays might have
Religion of peace is mighty crafty.
>>77478667
>(dozens of examples where there was a mass shooting in a non-gun free area)
>>77480389
Move out of America then you mentally crippled faggot. This country was founded on the use of guns. Or is it that you won't get gibs me dats anywhere else you entitled cry baby bitch?
>>77478316
Your average gun owner doesn't even carry.
Your average gun owner just target shoots for fun.
Your average gun owner doesn't deserve to be stripped of his right for your feelings.
Most cops are incompetent.
the worst thing would be if every time you left your home you had to get the gun ready, take a deep breath, and know you'd have to be ready to be in a deadly shoot out.
more civilized countries make it safe to live your life
>HEY GUNFAGS WHY DON'T WE EVER HEAR ABOUT GUN OWNERS STOPPING MASS SHOOTINGS
>because when gun owners stop them they aren't mass shootings
Oh and someone double check for me, but does OP only have ONE POST
>>77478316
It took 1 bullet to the head/any other vital point to stop the shooter
>>77479739
>most hostages
It's memes though... A random US swat team would have literally killed everybody in that theatre. The only typical Russian mishap was the fact that the gas they used was some kind of militairy secret, and thus the doctors didn't know how to treat the people that was under the effects of the gas and weren't provided with any antidotes..
That said, there really was no way that siege could have been ended without casualties among the hostages. Chechens don't fuck around.
>>77479539
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
>>77478316
And you realize one of thoses swat guy almost die?
Imagine if the killer had armor like the swat...
I guess it would be a bloodshed
>>77478316
>no idea of the layout of building
>entrance points
>windows
>no idea if one or multiple guys
>no ideas of the kind of weaponry
>being this stupid and having played not one game of splinter cell
>>77480389
>>77478316
Wasn't the shooter initially stopped by an off duty policeman?
>>77478316
Doesn't help the assault team fucked up the breach royally.
>Set explosive breaching charge on wall
>Don't use a proper charge
>Hole isn't big enough
>SHIT SHIT SHIT FUCK I DON'T KNOW RAM THE ARMORED VEHICLE INTO THE WALL OR SOMETHING!
Three things make for a successful assault on a building surprise, speed, and violence of action. This is doubly important when there are hostages involved. The failed breach undoubtedly cost them both surprise and speed and ultimately cost some hostages their lives.
>be american
>go outside
>get shot
>>77480189
b-but i do
I got to ask, why does American gun control always come down to:
>"You can have it, or not."
It is never:
>"How can we stop these people obtaining these items?"
The best system would be a mix between American and British gun law.
The freedom and ability to purchase the firearms from America and the background and licensing from Britain.
You have to pay a fund for your license at first then it is cheaper to renew each year, background and history check, 1 or 2 representatives to contact you know not related to you (your mates, GP and such) and a visit from a friendly local officer to determine the security (if you are a bit dodgy or if you have the right security for holding the firearm and cartridges).
Try to prove to me this wont work perfectly.
>pro tip: you can't
>>77480976
>be Canadian
>suck off dog dick
>>77481140
You know the reason we implemented these amendments and the bill of rights and the constitution was to get away from your pansy ass government?
There's a reason why the right to own a gun is the 2nd amendment and not the 27th.
>>77481140
>The best system would be a mix between American and British gun law.
No, because British gun law is fucking stupid... If anything, take continental European gun laws like in Germanic countries or Scandinavia.
>Brits ACTUALLY think their gun laws are reasonable
Lel.This is why everybody hates the Eternal Anglo.
>>77481114
>Carrying
>in austria
Enjoy your lifelong weapon ban.
>It took 11 of these guys to stop the Orlando shooter, because of his deadly assault weaponry.
>11 specially armed men with deadly assault weaponry that shouldn't be in the hands of civilians.
>Wait, what?
>police/government tend to be incompentent
No shit stating the obvious
>>77478486
pike(y)
>>77481281
>The freedom to own firearms.
>Just with better background checks.
>"But I want the freedom to own these firearms."
Nice rebuttal.
>>77478316
>11 man SWAT team = 1 gun owner
>1 gun owner =/= 1 gun owner
Ok.
>>77480976
>be Canadian
>go outside
>be a misogynistic shitlord
>>77478316
from police killed our black apes cops are bad to we need more cops nao!
>>77481392
>I state the freedom to purchase and own firearms from America and the background checks from Britain.
>No mass shootings in Britain since Dunblain.
You didn't even read it fully did you?
>11 swat outside an occupied club in a hostage situation is the same as 1 guy inside the club before hostages are taken
>>77478316
they are faggots
she could have soloed them
>>77478797
There was a gun owner inside the club, an off-duty cop serving as security. He and the shooter exchanged fire and he lost.
>>77479739
>>77480823
But they only died because the Gas was used was Top Secret, and the Paramedics didnt know that laying the Hostages on their backs would end in them slowly suffocating.
Spetsnaz dindu nuffin
>>77481423
>The only people who should be permitted to use deadly assault weaponry are people carefully trained to use it to protect the citizenry.
It's not that complicated.
>>77481671
British gun laws are retarded, and your background check system is no exception..
>Relying on random community members/family members rather than official authorities and their documents and databases
Brilliant. Why not just introduce a system that's known to work pretty well, like the Austrian, German, Dutch or Swedish system? British gun laws are literally among the most retarded on the continent..
>No mass shootings since Dunblaim
You sound like Australians and their port Arthur meme. But what exactly does any of that mean if your murder rate has not dropped significantly, in comparison to yourselves or the rest of Europe?
>>77478486
wife
>>77479837
This. Your average officer wouldn't have waited 3 hours either. Columbine changed the way be handle active shooters. If you have an active shooter you enter and engage immediately. It makes no sense they waited that long.
>>77478316
Pol is always right
>>77482295
>>77479616
meant to reply to this
>>77482295
>Columbine changed the way be handle active shooters.
>If you have an active shooter you enter and engage immediately
Literally Dutch police policy since the 2011 Ridderhof shooting.. They rarely wait for SWAT teams anymore in an active shooter/potential shooter situation. If it seems first responders can take action with reasonable regard for everyone's safety, they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3gUMdoHJ7o
>somewhat related
>>77478316
Ok. Imagine at least 5 of those faggots were carrying, and had at least some firearm training.
>omar walks into the bar
>starts spraying with his AR
>based fags pull out their guns and start firing back
>omar either shot dead, wounded, or at the very least forced to take cover
>bought the rest of the faggots some time to evacuate
You can't tell me the above is not a plausable scenario. And at the very least it would give these people the chance to defend themselves and fight back.
Also, the pic in the OP is nonsense.
>>77482075
>Two well known representatives who are not related and have no prior criminal charges.
>Local visit from an officer to see if you have the right security and evaluate your behavior during that time.
You so far have called it retarded, explain why you dumbfuck.
>Britain: Dunblane 13 March 1996
>Austria 2013 Annaberg shooting
>Gemrany Winnenden school shooting 11 March 2009
>Dutch Alphen aan den Rijn shopping mall shooting 9 April 2011
>Sweden 2015 Gothenburg pub shooting
Well shit.
>inb4 "retarded laws on what firearms you can own"
>I am talking about British licensing and background checks.
>>77478316
"I don't know how many bouncers it would take to throw me out, but I did know how many they would use. That is a handy little number to know" -Ron White.
You don't send in 'enough' to deal with it. You send in an overwhelming force to deal with one nut.
>>77481839
But what if there were 5 more gun owners in the club, they would probably have won the gunfight.
So more people should be carrying guns.
>>77478316
One gun owner was able to down 49 people and wound countless others.
He seems to have made a difference.
>>77478700
Yeah, they just allow people to bleed out for 3 hours
>>77478316
This picture is retarded.
Security guards, cops and SWAT are all easily beaten because they're so identifiable. They don't get the guise of concealed carry to aid them, and the element of surprise is huge when it's shot or be shot.
Anyone inside the club with a gun hidden away on their person could've taken it out when the shooter wasn't looking and taken him out with a little aim. The more people with a gun in the club, the better the odds he'll be faced away from you to be taken out.
You're retarded. Go to Canada if you're such a cuck.
>>77480389
How the fuck has nobody shot you yet?
>>77478316
>they used 11 people
>it couldn't have been done with any less
leftists are truly retarded. Unless they know something we don't, it was one guy with 2 guns.
>>77483208
>Sweden 2015 Gothenburg pub shooting
Immigrants using illegally imported weapons from the Balkans, as is the case with 99% of gun violence in Sweden.
At least use an example where legally obtained weapons were used.
>>77478316
Haha, clearly you're a shill. Go home.
>>77478700
U.S swat are pathetic. In the marines I cleared a fucking city of houses in iraqistan.
They can't even breach a door.
Pathetic
>>77478316
Not a sufficient argument for banning guns.
It's more of an argument for increased open and concealed carry.
Over 2 million successful gun defenses per year proves that.
Every 13 seconds, an American firearm owner uses a firearm to defend themselves against a criminal attack.
http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/09/2nd-amendment-in-action-armed-driver-stops-attempted-mass-shooting/
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
Also this:
40 Reasons For Gun Control
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9a_1357155001
Obama Ordered Gun Report Reveals Guns Actually Save Lives
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fed_1372467029
The Lies That Gun Grabbers Tell
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e4_1362960011
>>77478764
He could have. Whether he would have, is indeed the question. But unless you're dealing with some weird theoretical case where the perpetrator is fully clad in bulletproof material, it literally only takes one well-placed bullet to end something like this. That's the beauty of firearms.
>>77484618
>Immigrants using illegally imported weapons from the Balkans
Shit, I thought so. Only thing google came up with was Breivik.
>>77478316
One average gun owner fires one shot to the back of Omar's head. Easy. Average gun owner is inside, not breaking in calling attention to yhemselbes
>>77483208
>You so far have called it retarded, explain why you dumbfuck.
>No semi auto centrefire rifles
>No handguns
>No airrifles with more than 12ft/lbs of force
Completely draconic. Absolutely unnecessary, and a knee jerk reaction to a tragedy.
>Well shit.
Shootings happen. Very sad, but at the same time there's very little you can do to stop these sorts of people. Criminals will get their hands on guns regardless, the mentally ill will not become less ill if you ban guns and unfortunately there are other ways to murder people, even masses of them...
>inb4 "retarded laws on what firearms you can own"
Then don't say a mix between British and US. Just say US with background checks or something..
>I am talking about British licensing and background checks.
I'm not a fan of background checks that require 3rd parties to testify to the sanity or trustworthyness of an idividual applying for a firearm.. The risk of arbitrary results is too large, there should be objective standards.
>>77484952
>it literally only takes one well-placed bullet to end something like this. That's the beauty of firearms.
Shooting is pretty hard though, in my experience.. A rifle isn't too bad, but pistols are really a lot harder to accurately shoot than Hollywood makes it out to be, and on top of that I only have experience with shooting under controlled environments, fully calm and collected.. Something tells me I'd need more than 1 shot to shoot a man potentially firing back at me with a rifle, in a crowd, with loud music playing and what not.
>>77478316
>Well, he's shooting up a gay club
>huh... well we should probably go in. You know, in a bit.
>yeah, in a bit.
>...
>is Wendy's open this late?
>1 post by this ID
Options goes in all fields.
>>77478316
these are the same people who say the 2nd amendment is pointless because you cannot stand up to the government's 11 guys
Are liberals immune to cognitive dissonance?
>>77478486
Rune scimmy
>>77484888
I don't know if OP could ever recover from being BTFO this hard.
>>77485124
>Shit, I thought so.
That's almost always the case though, and in the Tristan vd Vlis case in the Netherlands the current laws in place WOULD have stopped this man from owning firearms in the first place if police had actually done their jobs.
>pic related
>shipment for Western Europe intercepted after joint efforts of Dutch and Croatian police
These are the weapons that are ACTUALLY frequently used in gun violence.. From the Hells Angels in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands to the beards that shot up the Bataclan theatre, you can bet money that Soviet made weapons were somehow involved. Bonus points if they're ex-Yugo.
>>77478486
empire
>>77481839
Damn really?
I wish that cop could have taken that fucker out quickly
What happen to the security guard at Pulse? Was he dinked? I heard he lost the gun fight, but I'm not sure what happened to him...
>>77478316
you can't bring a gun in a nightclub
OPs right, the SWAT recently acquired teleportation abilities.
>>77480389
The difference:
If a government official is entitled armed security, why am I not? No one is more special or entitled to anything more than I am.
>>77478316
>believing memes made by unemployed liberal artists that live with their parents
Oooh man i got my asshole blown wide open by a bunch of ignorant children!
>>77478316
>107 replies
>2 post by this ID
sage
>>77478316
this
>>77480607
>>77478316
>having zero chance is better than some chance
>>77480571
Examples, friendo
>>77478316
British MP, Jo Cox, has died after she was shot and stabbed during an attack in her constituency.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304
Well, OP?
>>77484952
It's true, and many of these shooters turn a gun on themselves when shot at, they're cowards, it's why they go after soft targets.
Drawing fire and suppressing the threat saves lives as well.
>>77480180
>tfw tumblr is a government project to create super soldiers
>>77478316
This is what passes for logic? If I buy a $3000 gaming computer with 16GB of RAM and an 8-core processor to play Solitaire, does that show that Solitaire won't run on a twenty year old Pentium notebook?
>>77487460
>Suicide mission
>coward
Bullshit memes are so gay.
Whenever common citizens are armed, the mass murder killers get taken out - fast - because they have no idea who to target first.
>>77478316
The number of criminals stopped by armed civilians every year could fill a phone book.
These hoplophobic commies are barely even trying.
>>77482528
Its the same thing here in the states. Or at least its suppose to be. You cant wait. I have had situations on duty where ive had to go into calls that an active shooter was supposedly involved in. You are scared but you still have to go in and handle business. Thank god every time they were dumb asses just calling in bullshit.
>>77478316
>No difference
lol nice non sequitur
>>77484843
Most people in SWAT are former veterans, I'd assume.
>>77478486
nigger
>>77480389
Kys
>11 swat team members
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, IT TOOK ELEVEN OF YOU!?
SAGE
A
G
E
>took 11 swat members to bring down 1 person with a gun but that gun wouldn't save you from the US military who would be in favor of a secession due to 98% of the military having no loyalty to the government but only they and police, both the strongest defenders of the 2nd amendment in this nation, should be restricted to weapons but they're also racist and evil
>>77478316
From outside the building, after the actions were taking place rather than as an immediate reaction.
Holy shit people are retarded these days.
>>77489175
If there ever was a civil war the military and police would join the right so fast it would make your head spin.
All Obama would have on his side are HuffPost bloggers, Vox faggots, and IRS and EPA pencil pushers.
>>77489580
And CIA/NSA/Black Water
It would still be a one sided fight.
>>77482190
>wife
It would have been "impossible" for a gun to save them. So lets not have them "waste their time" trying to save themselves. "Its too hard...Let's just not, OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK?..."
>>77478316
Kek, cop here. We shoot for shit.
I just did my yearly re-qual and my whole unit shit the bed. Gotta hit the range more often.
Stay armed burgers, we're rusty as fugg.
Yeah, next time just send one doughnut fatass mallcop in there, after a 16 hour shift, no intel, half asleep with no backup at all, armed with only a taser. Clearly those swat guys with their protocol and tactics and rifles and scary body armor are wussies.
>>77489907
American cops get more practice shooting niggers at night. You don't have to worry about that because of all the snow.
>>77478316
Oh but 100,000,000 gun owners dont stand a chance against the government when one kebab holds up 11 of the most highly trained police and kills 49?
>>77479539
Not where it comes from, but funny still.
>>77489643
Wrong. The intel community can't stand that commie faggot either. And Blackwater would be first in line to put a bullet in his skull.
>>77482771
Well we already know what happens with 1 gunman against 350 unarmed people. Can't hurt to try to arm some of those 350.
>>77478316
So this guy was immortal and his only weakness was 11 guys shooting at him?
>>77481839
No the officer was outside of the club investigating underaged drinking and he rushed in to engage the shooter, he himself got engaged and had to retreat out of the club.
How about how many mass shootings happen at shooting ranges, gun shows and other places where the average person is armed? OH yah that doesn't fucking happen.
I just wish someone would actually shoot back. That way the shooter can focus on that idiot and I can run away.
>>77478316
>22 million veterans, 2 million on active duty
>millions more police veterans, PMC, private security, FBI, CIA, etc.
>one in ten people in the country have some form of military or law enforcement training in firearms
the average gun owner will make all the difference because they used to be those guys, or even still are
>>77478486
Kike.
>>77478700
but they did lol
>>77482771
>based fags
No matter what gays do they ate still degenerate
When will we know how many people died bleeding out before police stormed in? When will we know how many people died in the fire fight between SWAT and the gunman?
>>77478316
Die shill.
>>77490015
When you're right you're right. The snow is our best defense. We have like 200 black people and they are typically Carlton banks
>>77491084
To our left guns are some king of magic they can't comprehend
>>77493076
WI fag here, most murders dont start usually until temps hit the 80's. It's some funny shit.
Nobody in a gay bar or school has a fucking gun
