Are NEETs the result of a lack of jobs in society?
Or are they just lazy losers who should get a job?
We're lazy fucks, most don't even try to find a job.
A bit of both depending on your area
>>77472110
Both.
Some countries are in hard crisis and it's really hard to get a job, others are just lazy subhumans
maybe they can find a job but it is not worth it?
Why should i find a job when i can make a living selling ripped game models to autists on open sim games.
Country is stupid enough to pay me for nothing, who am I to turn that down
>>77472499
Maybe I just don't understand your 1337 lingo correctly, but that would sort of count as entrepreneurship, wouldn't it?
Most in the west are lazy losers who blame their family and society. Visit /r9k/ and you'll see threads where NEETs say things like their parents didn't put 100% into raising them so they deserve to take care of them until they're 40.
>>77472753
If you can call theft entrepreneurship, sure.
>made over 300€ off of just overwatch models this month alone
All bless overbutts.
>>77472110
>1 post by this ID
>Australia
>There are only two possible answers as to why someone is NEET
Step it the fuck up son.
>>77472110
Yes
>>77472936
To be fair, most millennials were raised by their TV, they're a product of how spoiled their parents are. The shitapple doesn't fall far from the shit tree Randy...
>>77472936
>r9k is an accurate depiction of the majority of people
Kek
I used to be neet for years. Kept getting jobs that were bad for me, an introverted person. Didn't even know it at the time. Now I work an overnight job with little human contact and it's a good fit.
All that to say some neets just need to find the right job
>socialists outsource almost all jobs that don't require 3 years experience and a diploma
>y is no one getting a jarb
>>77473149
No GBP for you today, young man.
It's the result of a lot of free time
>>77472110
I can't generalize but in my cute little country I blame the public education system that gets its funding based solely on student headcount, ergo there's no incentive to streamline education paths in tune with the market needs while there's a heavy bias towards recruitment of futureless students only for the sake of getting that piece of the budget pie
>>77472110
a bit of both
The government is dumb enough to pay me more than I need to live on while doing absolutely nothing, they'll slash the amount of benefits this year though.
>>77472110
both i really enjoyed the whole economic downturn in the late 2000s right when i graduated i had an excuse to not do anything till 2012
>>77472499
>>77472753
Lack of jobs (for inexperienced workers) is caused by a multitude of factors, including, but not limited to; outsourcing, low expectations, affirmative action, diversity hiring, over saturation, skilled migration (with out group preferences), bear market and even low interest rates, although it's probably a symptom of low investor confidence (aka bear market).
I've had a glass of goon, but I'm still lucid enough to talk about any of the aforementioned factors.
>>77473056
this is true
they even made an entire show out of it
its like peering through the looking glass ... through the looking glass
>>77472110
No good jobs. I'd be in work right now if there was a job in my local area that paid more than benefits. The problem is the jobs these days are all hard work for very little pay or you're under/overqualified. Good luck finding an internship after Uni if you didn't graduate with a 1st or from Oxford. At this stage I want either an easy job that pays decent (8+) or ill take min wage for a job that gives good exp
>>77472110
< this is what happened OP
>>77474123
Two pounds of wheat for a day's wages, and six pounds of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!
>>77473880
woah
I'M SENDING 50 CVs EVERY FUCKING DAY TO EVERY FUCKING JOB I SEE AND NOTHING SO FAR, NOT A FUCKING CALL JUST TO SAY
>"SORRY ANON, WE ARE NOT HIRING ANYMORE"
FUCK THIS SHIT AND DON'T YOU FUCKING CALL ME LAZY YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
>>77472110
result of apathy, feeling unworthy and lack of female attention if males.
I personally blame women as much as possible even though I'm not NEET ;).
normies get fucked and rekt btw.
It is a combination of things usually.
>no father figure in their lives.
>had overprotective parent(s) usually the mother.
>low self esteem.
>socially stunted.
>dumber then the average person their age.
>chronically depressed.
>autistic to some degree.
and the biggest thing.
>some sort of constant financial safety net whether is it just leeching off of family funds or government NEETbux.
What can you do for NEETs?
>give them a hand UP and not a hand out, help them find a job and just don't give them money.
>take them away from their main distraction from time to time (i.e. camping, fishing, going to a festival, etc)
>make them feel better about themselves without giving empty praise.
we just dont care. i wouldnt mind getting kicked to the curve. itd make jumping in front of a freight truck easier. i just dont care
>>77474831
I have neet bros who go camping/concerts/huntin all the time
still not gonna get jobs tho
It seems to me that employers want extroverted proactive people as their employees. A lot of NEETs don't know how to converse, look in peoples eyes when talking. Moreover, NEETs are timid people in general, they havent been given a chance to spread their wings. We're the lost generation and those who are normal can't figure out what our problems are, because they live in normal-extrovert-land which is full of people who have friends, loving families, wives and gfs and all manner of other people they constantly connect with during their day to day.
We are so fucked.
>>77474568
time to move. It literally takes me a week to get a job whenever I move somewhere new in the US
>>77472110
They are a natural result of the state of society. Why would you slave away for practically nothing only to get feminism and white male privilege nonsesnse in return. May as well sit back and watch the world be engulfed in flames. If you expect young males to put in serious effort, there must be reasonable reward in return.
Personally I do not endore their life style as I see it as making a bad situation even worse. But it is understandable considering how ungrateful society is to young males.
>>77473165
What do you do?
>>77472231
>>77472936
>>77473056
>>77473265
>>77474737
>>77474831
>>77474985
>>77475233
>blaming the victim
I'm in a similar boat to: >>77474568
Despite being an honours graduate with a STEM degree and an open source project with almost 600 downloads, despite applying for something between 200-300 jobs and only getting about 10 interviews, I'm still rejected for bullshit reasons (lol ""cultural fit"" just say I'm a fucking white male, coward) and sometimes they'll just lie and say the position froze.
There is a literal problem with the employment industry, as in HR, and blaming a lack of incentive to get a job is dishonest as fuck. You think I want to be a NEET? There's so much shit I'd love to do but can't because I have no money and my parents aren't willing to give me more than a bed and food. I'd love to have a girlfriend, start some sort of martial arts, maintain a car, smoke enough weed to run a philosophy YouTube, join a chess club, get gym membership so the staff stop treating me like shit.
But of course, blame the victims. That's easier. Then you don't have to think of solutions. Solutions are hard.
>>77475911
what stem did you go in to melb cunt
>>77475911
Does Aus have such crazy affirmative action and diversity programs?
>>77475911
this is my experience, why hire an aussie when you can hire an incompetent indian at half the cost?
>>77475911
I'm not saying there isn't a problem, i'm just saying that neither you or your parents had the balls or brains to deal with it. You are too accustomed to someone else fixing everything and just giving you the bill.
>current year
>not being self-employed
>>77476130
Engineering.
>>77476261
Yeah, it's lefty hell. All the HR people are middle aged Indian women, I wish I were joking. There's a few white women too, but they're equally lefty.
>>77476275
Comes under "low expectations" and "outsourcing" covered here: >>77473992
>>77476380
I've applied to triple digit jobs, sorry, was I not meant to expect someone to "fix" it for me by simply fucking accepting me? I think after the work I've put in it actually is time for someone else to fix it.
>applying for jobs isn't meant to get you a job!
Go on, respond with some sort of variation of this theme. Do it faggot.
Canadianeet here, minimum wage is too high, there are not many jobs, I have physical issues that prevent standing long hours. Most neets are just lazy and useless though.
As a job haver I don't personally mind NEETs and don't particularly blame them.
The economy has completely changed and the older generation refuses to see it. Just gotta bring back the factories! Nevermind that due to automation the few token industrial sites they bring back require 90% less employees. Just gotta get educated, education is key! Even the medical industry requires less people than ever before, and besides. Genuinely not everyone is smart enough to be a doctor, chemist or engineer. They don't deserve to be trapped in humiliating government hamster wheels sending out resumes in vain to places that don't look at them so they can keep getting welfare.
I work manual labour in fairly awful conditions. Not everyone can do this either. Unfortunately that's beginning to be all that's left- highly educated jobs for smart people, and highly unpleasant jobs for idiots like me. People with average intellect and discipline who don't particularly want to be abused in a 45c degree kitchen for 10 hours a day have nowhere to go, really.
I don't even really feel resentment at the fact that some of my labour is going to subsidize their jacking off and video gaming. If a society can't engage people to an extent where the majority would rather stay home and jack off, and it collapses, then it wasn't a very good society to begin with.
Don't know if anyone's posted it yet, but have a look at this.
Our behaviors are probably modeled accurately by mice given infinite food.
Fucking mice. How do you feel?
>>77477144
derp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM
>>77472110
Idk, but personally I am just a lazy loser with no real ambition.
I'm a Buddhist with simple pleasures, and don't really see a need to accumulate monetary possessions. I will work if I have to in order to eat, but in my current position there's no reason to do that.
With that said I'm an avid Trump supporter, and feel socialism is a bane on our existence.
Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
>>77472110
Personally, it is a lack of motivation. Why should I work my ass off when I can't even get married and have children. I can work at McDonald's while living with my parents to pay for vidya, snacks and the occasional hooker.
>>77476261
Not so crazy on affirmative action but it does exist, particularly for worthless abos who are just given jobs.
We have pretty much unlimited skilled immigration, which is why jobs are scarce and pay is shit. Although trades are generally unaffected so trades earn a ton more than skilled workers nowdays.
Australians also compete with China for housing, so our house prices are ridiculously expensive, as such rents are ludicrous. If you live in the big cities and work in the city centres, expect an hour train ride every morning and night to find affordable housing.
We also compete with China on energy, so we pay a fortune to keep the lights on.
This will only get worse until the system collapses of course. How can a nation the size of Australia have the most expensive housing in the world?
Australia is fucked, my life is fucked and I'm expected to live as a slave on slave wages for the rest of my life whereas my own father is a wealthy fuck who earns 2k a week (read: more than twice as much as me) and does so off passive income because he owns a couple houses (bought a large block of land before the boom).
Thus I'm a neet who surfs /biz/ a lot as the wages on offer are borderline slavery so I refuse to participate in the workforce as an employee, resulting in me spending a fuck load of time researching business ideas and of course playing games, wanking and brooding over how fucking shit my life is.
Some of us cunts just want the simple life - wife + home + kids and its fucking impossible to get that now. So I brood.
>>77472110
I think there's also great faults with the welfare system in that individuals aren't pushed hard enough or supported enough to find work.
When I sign on every fortnight, my work coach barely looks at what I've done to find work.
I overheard a guy ranting that he refused to "be a slave to society for £7.odd an hour".
That cunt should've been cut off. Who the fuck was he to demand more than minimum wage? But no, the work coach just placated him, signed off and kept his bennies going.
It just doesn't seem like anyone gives a fuck about getting people back into work.
Pretty much what >>77476990 said.
Everyone isn't *needed* to work. You don't need 10 men to fell trees, you have one guy operating a machine and so forth.
Work is also more demanding nowadays. Even as a loner dimwit you could do some very simple manual labour. Any pair of hands was better than nothing. That sort of labour is mostly gone.
Obviously everyone probably could "work" but maybe not profitably. Consider video games (or entertainment in general). Creating them is considered work, a job. You could have all NEETs creating video games all day long but what would that change?
You can come up with all sorts of bullshit activities just to keep people employed or active otherwise.
>>77475911
Whatcha did son.
Also mobile dev is free work
>>77475911
^this
At this point I have been looking for jobs on and off for nearly 11 months. 5.5 of those months actually being employed. And I wasn't getting 40 hours every week sometimes not even breaking 10 hours.
And I went to a vocational high school which means I have basic trade skills, but no certification.
I also have 20+ credits in an electrical engineering major. Not enough to get a internship.
And thats the thing no one want to hire anyone who doesn't have an immense amount of experience.
>Data entry
>Be an office bitch and putting numbers into a excel spread sheet
>3 years experience required
>Retail jobs
>want 2+ years of experience
I lied to get a retail job and they gave me 70 hours over a 3 month period. The same happened to the other seasonal people
>Small electrical tech for drones
>Applied and bust my ass to get the interview
The job is literally troubleshooting drones, all electronics and I've been flying Remote controlled since I was 8
>Asks over and over again if I am sure I know what I am doing
>Never get a call back
Even if I didn't know what I was doing its not hard to teach someone to troubleshoot. Do they expect people to get a degree and then to pay them less that 20$/hr. Its driving me crazy.
tl;dr
Employers want you to know everything before you set foot in the door, with a degree, all the time in the world and nothing else going on in your life. A personality so great the women in the office giggle and cum just from the sight of you, but not too hard because thats sexual harassment.
They all want a fucking unicorn of an employee and they don't want to pay them a decent wage for what they do, or give them enough hours.
>Final words
Fuck this economy
I would also add that some jobs that are considered work are not work if you ask me.
Like being a salesman over phone (wtf you call that). Is it better to do nothing or help a company advertise their shit by one of the most aggressive ways possible, calling people in the middle of their work day and interrupting their work? Trying to scam senile old people to buy shit they don't need?
Although, that's probably the only thing I'd really consider "work that's not work". A sad amount of job offers are for exactly that thing though.
>>77477976
I think you're a tradie, there's a lot more affirmative action for hiring in STEM jobs than your fast food or retail jobs. There aren't any articles saying more women and minorities flipping burgers.
I don't think people realise how badly STEM has been targeted by lefties. There's definitely some pathology behind this.
>>77479182
Stem are all the left hates.
A cog is a cog and not a screw.
>>77476990
even in the land of opportunity this is true
i run my own biz, wife works in corporate at a major manufacturing firm
they are starved for qualified applicants, yet have hamstrung themselves to temp agencies because reasons
the demographics of the resumes she has me review does not accurately reflect that of the general population
in the 6+ years shes been bringing them home not a single one has been a white or hispanic male NOT ONE
they are almost exclusively job hopping dindus who have an average assignment time of 3 months - just long enough to milk the training without doing any real work, and being let go once they are expected to perform and dont
turnover is so high and frequent there could not possibly be any other reason than gross ineptitude - these worthless HR fucks really do not care
and when she does reject a candidate for very valid reasons upper management overrides anyway because they just want it done so they can get back to screwing off all day or hanging out in the exercise room when they are supposed to be working
its a vicious cycle and will not be broken until the whole thing collapses
THIS is why all of you who shotgun resumes out every week never get any traction - you think your shit is getting stuffed down some black hole because it is
if i ran my own biz the way they run theirs i would be out on my ass within the quarter
there is no long term thinking or strategy applied amongst so many layers - everything is about the immediate payoff and kicking the can down the road for everything else
>>77479310
The "why" is the interesting.
On the surface, there's a pretty pernicious stereotype surrounding STEM workers and extreme lefties are pretty notorious for being okay accepting stereotypes about white men (against stereotypes of other demographics), but I wonder if it's deeper than that.
Maybe it is as simple as hatred, would you put it past them? Their average response to white men with degrees generally lacks empathy, thinking "white male tears" responses.
>>77479441
Is there a reason none are white?
>>77479310
>be white male with STEM degree
>good experience, GPA, extra-curriculars
>apply for dozens of jobs
>nothing
Now I'm a firefighter. At least males have an advantage in physical labor like dragging 2.5" lines.
>>77478565
Fuck I'd love to get one of those jobs over the phone. Almost got scammed into door to door sales
>Job posting
>12$/hour TELE-SALES
>Get to open interview
>Its selling LED lightbulbs
>Oh and its not 12$/hr its fully commission
>You also have to buy a better suit
>Oh and its door to door
Look at the surrounding stores in the area. Every store had LED lightbulbs already.
>First day of work they tried to cram 11 people into a van to bring us out to the boonies in New Jersey
>Said they weren't leaving until we made a sale
>Guy next to me mentions he brought extra money with him because last time they left a guy stranded with no way to get home
Fucking nope. I was off that van and on my way home within the next 10 minutes
>>77479182
Not a tradie or unskilled
>>77479840
Stem sees the world in plain terms IE fascist view. Lefties see the world in half truths and metaphors.
A cog is a cog but not a screw. Vs
Some girls are XY
>>77472110
>Are NEETs the result of a lack of jobs in society?
How can NEETs be responsible for lack of jobs when they don't work.
>>77472110
I think all the disgusting shit we put in our bodies can create imbalances in people that give them anxiety etc
>>77472110
NEETS don't have jobs because there isn't an app or program that tells them step by step how to get one.
>>77472110
NEETs are a result of wage stagnation/foreign labor importation.
Labor becomes a cheap commodity, and wages stagnate so low to the point where NEETs see that their situation will not really be any different if they jump into any job that pays less than $18 an hour.
They are the product of a society that is too comfortable.
>>77479952
I worked as a phone salesman for like 3 months. Then I realized my job was mostly to annoy working people and try to rip off lonely old ladies.
Also the pay isn't that great here. I had an hourly wage that was similar to something you'd get cleaning or working at McDonalds or something. So it's not that bad considering you are just sitting at a desk and calling people.. Although from what I've heard from other people, most jobs are commision only.
Still prefer NEETBUX. Although right now I am in "unpaid work training".. I get bit a more neetbux and atleast I get to do and learn about something I enjoy and would like to do for a living later on.
>>77479840
you would have to query the temp agency as to why this is the case
seems fairly odd that they would not put forth a single one in that kind of time period
the only males that made it through to her desk are black (2) in six years, so it is not as if males are not applying for the jobs they are just being filtered out/ignored
1: We won't hire you for a normal job because you haven't done an entry level job.
2: Entry level jobs get away with hiring illegals, then deporting them one man at a time on payday like a pest control service once they realize they have rights.
This keeps Mexicans in a state similar to Italian immigrants a hundred years ago. Afraid to talk to the police, rendering their rights null and void. You can underpay them, you can outright rob them, you can coerce their wives and daughters into sex; people who have sworn off protection of the law have only their own physical force to rely upon. Deprive them of this (easy) and they have nothing.
Blacks in Democrat cities have about the same environment. Can't talk to the police, so if you can't preserve your liberty with your own two hands then liberty just doesn't belong to you. Worldstar Hiphop runs monthly documentaries on blacks who talk to the police, just search 'fight comp.'
>>77477333
really interesting
>>77479974
Ok, so what jobs are you talking about? STEM diversity hiring is really bad, especially in a left wing shithole like Melbourne.
>>77480043
That's a stereotype, but I guess not an incorrect one. Maybe it's a little difficult to push postmodernism onto a people quite used to and quite expecting to suffer for their bread.
>>77480066
>expecting victim blaming to make sense
>>77480494
So you seem to believe some diversity hiring agenda might be at play? Okay, that's fine, just so long as you're not afraid to point it out. That's really it, but what else would you expect when there's a requirement on workers that absolutely has nothing to do with worker output? Of course there's going to be a strain filling those positions, of course a lot of people are going to be left out, it's just economics. "They've" created an unmeetable requirement.
Come back with this topic tomorrow morning and I'll post enough content for any of you to plagiarise for an entire video essay. I decided to drink tonight, it makes me a little dull.
>>77477144
>>77477333
>more victim blaming
Did I not mention enough times that most NEETs with the willpower to actually finish a degree actually do want jobs and actually do want more out of life than sitting at home making themselves look pretty?
Spending 32k on training and having it squandered feels kind of wasteful. I kind of want my life to get moving, raise a family, start saving up for my own home.
>>77472110
I'm a neet. I'm a result of bad parenting.
lack of role models
living as "natural" as possible will be the "new" thing. and it makes sense, most farmers rarely get sick and are more ground to earth when talking to them than most urban man-childs and kiddos who dont know more than their own feelings.
we are at the end of the results of industrialization/urban life style.
i hope i make enough money to get a bit of land and grow my own shit and get away from the city.
>>77472110
Both
>>77472110
What is a job anyway?
If a Jackson Pollack qualifies as art, why shouldn't my vidya cave qualify as a job?
Why should I labor at a 'job' when labor, not jobs, is the source of all value, and all labor is of equal value to everyone?
Why be exploited at a job when I can exploit the dumb Marxist taxpayer with less effort than finding a job?
>>77481377
an organized agenda? who knows
however there seems to be SOMEthing systemic going on that nobody wants to address
its not as if it has been the same agency with the same rep for the entire six+ years, there have been several agencies and even more reps besides
i suppose this is what happens when someone thinks they can just throw money at a problem expecting it to get resolved - and responsibility is ultimately on the person who contracted these firms to begin with yet they can conveniently throw up their arms & say "these fukin temp people, amirite?" and still not fool anyone
all you will get from them and services like it is the bare minimum required to shut you up - you will never get quality unless it is by happy accident
>>77481611
>>77481638
More victim blaming.
Can you explain why those of us who've applied for triple digit jobs are still unemployed? If we're so lazy, why are we applying for jobs?
>>77482072
Trading time for money.
Be a faggot elsewhere, some of us are talking about a serious problem.
>>77482351
I don't believe it's purely organized, but it is in some way deliberate.
It's not throwing money at it, it's redistributing opportunities. Of course when you hire based on factors that aren't meritocratic you're less likely to get more than the bare minimum.
It's corporate Marxism, as is anything that attempts equality purely through redistribution, and the problem no one wants to address is that someone in the process has been educated into believing it's morally correct. They won't admit they're wrong, no one around them will say it's wrong, because the crazy, crazy source was the KGB during the cold war who funded the people who taught the people who taught the people currently in the system.
How do you even tell someone they've been effected by, not even brainwashing, but the ghost of brainwashing, a ball that never stopped rolling. It's crazy. You'd have to be a drunkard on an anonymous board to just out and say it.
>>77483417
>drunkard on an anonymous board
good one m8 heh heh
when ideology trumps reality i suppose
there is no sense of self-preservation though which is rather odd
they must be dead inside
>>77481638
This is what I look forward to too. When the internet connects the whole world together and jobs start to become automated, it makes little sense to stay living in cities. Many people will live in the countryside, farming their own food. Damn it would be a paradise compared the modern living, I have to start looking into this.
>>77478479
welding
plumbing
carpentry
demolition
All I know is engineers need to be paied more. 65k on entry? Wtf is this garbage.
I like NEETs and don't mind supporting them through my taxes. They are the biggest meme creators and an important foundation of modern internet culture. I miss being NEET but I have a real job and a gf that I plan on starting a family with
I certainly prefer NEETs to single mothers.
There is literally nothing with NEETs
>>77483417
You will sooner or later grow out of your mental loophole and realize there is no bigger enemy than youself in life.
Guy who failed 3 rounds of co-op interviews in an engineering program at the school with literally #1 career services, here's what I got.
>one company said I had good self-confidence and appearance, basically meaning I look good in a suit, but I had poor communication skills
>a company believed I'd be a safety hazard despite having no physical or mental disabilities, though my advisor said they may have confused me for an employee with vision problems
>some other places saying I'm not a fit, no real details
My GPA was in the range 3.2-3.3 for these interviews, which isn't great but higher than other students who got hired off the bat. I suspect part of my problem is competing with guys who fix cars for fun and have dads in engineering.
>>77485700
My understanding is that once you get your PE it goes way up, but you need work experience to get it.
Honestly the figure I was told for a starting job is 58k and I'm fine with that, especially if I get a job near my home so I can live with mom and save up money.
>>77486337
>fix cars for fun and have dads in engineering
So you're saying that they have more experience of actually doing engineering work?
So what's to blame here? The school for not having enough practical training? Or not enough jobs in the area?
>>77472990
€300 per month isn't even close to minimum wage. Do better.
>>77472110
>>77472110
lazy loosers
i was neet for two years.
one day i literally moved my ass and started doing something instead of crying... it worked out well
if any of you fuckers are in USA and you want a better life and a family with a woman who wont divorce you then listen up:
>become a trucker
>bust ass for 3 years
>move to colombia
>buy big house
>marry smoking hot colombian
>have babies, live happy
>start own business or return to states if you need money
thats what i did, now im set
>>77477976
Sounds similar to me. Trying to get some businesses off the ground so I can escape this shitty NEET life.
We're all gonna make it, breh. Keep your head up.
>>77485002
>trades
>Needs to become an apprentice which is basically on call, leaving no time for school
>Takes 4-5 years to reach journeymen rank
>Once there make ok money but no opportunities to go much higher
And before you call me lazy I applied to be an apprentice they turned me down too
>>77478565
I'd have to be dead on two days before I would lower myself to be telemarketer.
No I don't give a single fuck about what you are offering/selling.
No I don't wanna hear your special offers.
Oh you cant explain some terms and conditions to me, fuck you then.
Because I get annoyed by them I sure as hell don't wanna be one annoying others.
Plus the contracts all sound shady as hell not to mention most of them are small guaranteed sum + provisions when it comes to payment.
So you may be calling 8 hours per day for a month and sell barely anything and get jack shit for your work.
Fuck that I'd rather have McJob with guaranteed wage even if small one.
>>77487484
that pic is wrong on so many levels, I saved it
>>77472110
Western society is too corrupt and greedy to function. Why work just so some greedy Landlord scum can get his hands on the fruits of your labour? They hate you anyway, so why bother even trying to get along?
The entire democratic process is a sham, and Masonic gatekeepers keep the poor down with their lying, homo-supremacist cult.
Look at the hands to see the truth.
>>77487484
the problem is then you have to live in colombia, which is a shithole. what happens if you need medical attention? or get cancer. your fucked there
>>77488916
Yeah telemarketing is shady. And some of the deals you need to make are shady. The kind of stuff where you have to sort of slip in the "oh and it's a 1 year contract" in the speech without them really paying attention to it, to make it legal.
On the other hand, some of the deals are actually good deals you probably couldn't get elsewhere at that moment.
As I said, I'd never do it again. I don't consider it work, it's being a nuisance to everyone. But you can get paid an hourly guaranteed wage. Mine was something like 9.8 €/h. Which I think is almost equal to McDonalds or whatever.
>>77489689
colombia isnt a shithole amigo
>no SJWs
>no kikes
>niggers only live by the coast, and are tamed
>women can't even spell feminism
>hospital shit is affordable
countries need crime and danger to keeo women in check
trust me my man, i was a NEET just like yall 4 years ago. now my life is 10 times better
>>77491903
If Finland is getting fucked and cucked, I'll probably leave for some other country aswell. Gonna take my free degree with me though.
I mean I sort of liked Finland. It's kind of a prick move to benefit from the ~free pretty decent education and move to work elsewhere.. But at this rate, fuck this place.
Obviously I need to come up with a plan to make money. Finnish degree (eletrical engineering) might be worth something abroad but if I'd have to consider employing myself, I am a fucking loser at life desu. I'm decent at maths, physics, electronics and computers and that's it
>>77474831
All of these things except dumber, I was in rapid learning shit as a kid.
I'm massively overqualified for the job I do, but I work because it gives me structure and some kind of income while I try to further my life.
I have a Master's degree in >Literature, but I didn't fall for the dream where you get out of university and find a perfect job. I understand that things take time, and that time is best spent productively rather than sitting at home complaining.
I know working this shitty job will benefit me in the long run, because it will show I'm proactive and prepared to work hard to future employers and I won't have to mumble around as I try to explain the gap on nothing after university.
They're just lazy faggots unwilling to get their hands dirty. They don't want their feet to touch the ground. Fuck 'em.
There are tons of jobs out there. You can easily get a job being a truck driver and in a couple years have enough money to own your own home. Do these lazy NEET faggots bother to become truck drivers? Nope. They're lazy ass bitches.
I hope they all end up homeless and sucking dick in order to pay for food.
>>77472110
Its urbanism that causes it you 2-post fucker.
Thank God for nuclear war: http://www.defconwarningsystem.com/
i'm lazy as fuck but it's still pretty hard for you to find a decent job when you're a sperg
>>77472110
a bit of both
I don't have to work at present because I can live with rich mommy
I don't really look for jobs because they're all terrible and my boomer parents are retarded
where I am in the country, you need to make AT LEAST $25/hr to live on your own
my parents expect me to live on my own with zero support from them from the get-go
most of the jobs offered in my area are below minimum wage ($10/hr) and employers do everything in their power to cheat the laws, getting it down to $8/hr or even $4/hr for jobs with tips
those jobs are all bottom of the barrel - sell this, deliver that, get yelled at and treated like a human punching bag because that's what you are at those wages.
do you really expect me to jump at the chance to wake up at 7 AM, rapidly shit-shower-shave, put on a uniform, fight traffic to get to work on time, work from 9 AM to 5:30 PM, get home at 6:30 PM after fighting traffic AGAIN, spend another half hour showering and eating some TV dinner (because I don't have the time to prepare, cook, and clean), only get 2 hours of time to myself, go to sleep, and repeat... only to make chump change and receive continual berating from my parents about how I don't work as hard as they did, paying for their own college, getting a house in their 20's, and so on with summer jobs?
fuck that, fuck them, and fuck you.
>>77492595
what about language?? spanish is important. learn it and you'll have a job automatically here
>>77494970
I only speak Finnish, English, Swedish and French.. In that order in terms of fluency. Spanish would definitely be a useful language to learn.
In my country, there's a job-search website, called ejobs. For the past months (or year), there have been at least 35k jobs (including few of them outside borders), now there are 41k, I'm talking about the whole country, but you have the option to select city, job domain, skill level (entry, middle etc).
Most stupid thing about the job market in my country is the HR. 90% of them use a specific language, mostly found in HR books, nothing consistent, justifying their jobs by bringing lots of people to interviews, so that they fill their 8 hour per day job.
The idea of NEET in my country is not so awful as it seems, if you are a single mother (with at least 2 children) no job, living in a rural area, the state will help you with money. Money for your children, money for wood (making fire for heating the house), money for this and that.
Are you a firm and want to hire entry level graduates and want taxes reduced? Sorry, the state won't help you.
Yes, even a hairdresser has a smartphone bigger than mine (I have a samsung galaxy s plus, bought from ebay-similar-website, because I like to be cheap). But she get's the minimum wage on her work-book, talks to her colleagues during my haircut, checks her phone blahblah, I didn't gave her a tip for this behaviour. But this is the reality in my country.
After implementing the live-feed camera in examination classes during the Baccalaureate, the percentage of high-school graduates dropped to 50-60%. Most of them don't do anything.
We must understand the definition of a "NEET": someone who is not registered in a work-force bureau, doesn't have education of some level AND (most importantly) doesn't look for a job.
Those people who live with their parents, relatives etc (depending on the country we are talking about), have a decent education AND looking for a job (work-force bureau, online-CV profile on job-websites etc) by applying, going to interviews and so on, THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT NEETS!
>>77496543
>Spanish would definitely be a useful language to learn.
Why, so you can talk to slaves? Mexicans are just property anyway.
Y'all prob went into the wrong branch of engineering: software.
Shit's saturated and filled with sjw influence. Come to the more traditional stuff like mechatronics or electrical. There are no women or faggots there anyways so you don't compete against them.
>>77497155
Is it true what I heard, from a Romanian I went to school with, that Romanian cars are shitty but Romanians have learned how to use the batteries to weld scrap metal onto their cars to fix leaks/holes? Seems like the voltage would be too low.
I lived in the middle of nowhere until I was 20, so there were no available jobs for me to even apply to. Moved in with some friends and started working at temp jobs for 3 years because nobody else will hire a 20 year old with no work experience. Been stuck there since because temp agencies keep shuffling you around and employers don't want to hire someone who hasn't been employed continuously for at least a year+. It's fucking awful.
>>77472110
>less than 5 post by this id
anyway, it his pretty hard to get a job when 50-200 people respond to a job ad.
>>77497160
Well, Spain is a beautiful country
>>77472110
As a NEET I think it's a little from column A and a little from column B
>>77472110
A little from column A and a little from column B. Those that want to work many times can't find a job in their field. There are definitely lazy fucks out there though as /r9k/ and the college Marxists show.
>>77497441
That was in the past times, at Dacia 1300 (Or Renault 12, that's the real Dacia), or 1310 version made until 2001.
Yes, it's true. People had a tough time finding the piece or tool to repair their car (not having where to buy or money to repair at a car shop..), so they had to improvise.
It was (and it is) not only applied to car repairs, but also mechanical parts (4 different tires, smash something with a hammer - "it works now, doesn't it?")
>>77497160
exactly you stupid fat faggot
the abilty to command slaves and not have to rely on an interpreter is very useful/powerful you dumb fuck
>Muh stem
>wew but I'm a lazy nihilist and with a wicked sense of humor so no motivation at all
>it's the damn feminazis who are like 2% of the population wew better play my CSGO
>>77492595
If you move to ANY LatAm be warned:
They fucking HATE guiris.
However they loathe non-whites even more than they loathe guiris.
Learn the language.
>>77498784
i think we're all forgetting here:
latin america is the only continent that remains un-cucked
One of my friends hasn't had a job in 6 years. He doesn't even try to apply and now his resume looks really suspicious so he's just making it even harder for himself. How are you supposed to explain to employers why you've done absolutely nothing for close to a decade?
I feel really bad for his family since it's not like they're that well off and he just leeches off them. He's 27 years old too so it's just getting ridiculous now. Plus he hangs out with other NEETs and they all defend each other when anyone asks about jobs or what they'll do in the future so you have to sit there and pretend like they're not all fucking retarded deadbeats. It was sort of funny in our early 20s but everyone else has degrees, careers, got married, etc. and all of them haven't even attempted doing anything.
>>77497190
>tfw trying to join automatization and industrial EE
I MUST DESTROY THE SJW LINE OF WORK.
MENIAL.
USELESS.
LABOR.
I MUST MAKE A BETTER WORLD.
WITH NO BURGER FLIPPERS.
>>77499021
Did he went to college (and masters, maybe PhD) or something during those years? Can't believe he could just sit...6 years.
>>77498997
>Uncucked
Latin nations are the most feels>facts people.
However we're huge assholes and our guys>your guys.
why don't the NEETs just join the military?
>>77499218
No he needs to upgrade his high school courses to go back to college
He has literally done nothing.
I'm not even sure what he does all day. Their little NEET group gets mad if you ask about it
>>77499412
Most true neets are pussies and lazy-ass faggots.
>>77472110
Barely any jobs and the jobs that do exist don't pay enough to live an enjoyable life on.
NEETs are the result of a culture where you don't have to work to get what you want.
If they want a movie, they just download it. If they want food, they get it from their parents. If they're horny they just download porn.
There's no reason to work if all your needs are met without effort.
>>77472110
working sucks, especially office jobs.
literally just some cog, annoying co workers, typing sounds all day, people stressing out for no good reason
shit
is
awful
if i didnt need the money id quit
>>77499258
>our guys>your guys.
doubt it...
you have too much Muzzie blood. I'd rather have Indio blood than Muzzie blood to be sincere family
>>77499412
I'm not loyal to this country, Russia on the other hand...
>>77499849
You're a fucking subhuman sudaca AND our rapebaby, so your opinion is invalid you unholy moor/indian baby.
I mean the job situation is pretty terrible. But it is also true that bunch of NEETs are losers, they're lazy, they don't wanna do anything with their lives except play video games, watch anime, jerk off, drink and do drugs.
But the problem is not gonna solve itself by telling people "fuck off you lazy bum, get a job".
I mean I was a NEET for 4 years. You really have to make people want things that they can get by working or you need to make it impossible to not work.
>>77499412
Last I checked US military (can't say for other countries) doesn't accept people with mental disorders or if he has even taken any sort of psychiatric drug. Also, most NEETs wouldn't pass the physical exam.
>>77497190
I agree with you.
I went to a 3-month paid-by-EU internship with a Mrs., a colleague of mine at master's class. She is a repair technician for furniture machines, after working 20 years at a furniture factory, she decided for the past 5-6 years to be self-employed, travel to different furniture factories (of course, very small factories nowadays) in my hometown and not only there.
She earns a lot of money, because she hasn't got any competition (or so I heard). It's hard work, you have to find WHAT doesn't work and, yes, solve the problem! Reading schematics, staying in a inside wood-particle-noisy-atmosphere is not easy. Would someone hire her at her age? (almost 50). Maybe, but at what cost at this much experience? Taxes are high and so on.
I don´t know. I just know I´m planning to extract as much juice out of my current lifestyle as I possibly can and then I´ll kill myself the moment my situation becomes unsustainable. I´ll be making the world a favor, really.
>>77480271
This may be true, everything is too comfy and too easy. We need something hard, something to fight for. A revolution.
>>77481638
This is my ultimate life goal, life on my own land with a couple of farm animals and a big garden to take care of.
>>77500268
okay cuck boy...
at least muzzies didnt fucking rule us for 500 years
>>77472110
Many NEETs just spend too much time in a university meme graduation and didn't get any useful work experience during their youth.
>>77499021
>Plus he hangs out with other NEETs and they all defend each other when anyone asks about jobs or what they'll do in the future so you have to sit there and pretend like they're not all fucking retarded deadbeats.
>>77500970
Please, tell me more about your situation.
>>77500983
Well I mean honestly, modern life makes it way too easy to get depressed or suffer from all kinds of existential angst.
What's the point? I don't got to do shit to live. I can sit at home all day and still have my own place, eat healthy, exercise (yeah right), paly video games etc. Honestly I don't really even care about living too much.
I just got bored being a leech and I didn't have the balls to kill myself so now I'm trying to get back into the "normal life" instead. You know, work, house, stuff like that. But not even sure why. Maybe I spent too much time reading crap philosophical crap like Voltaire and Albert Camus while I was NEETing away.
>>77498615
This Mexican lad is right.
To bad he'll get blamed for stealing lazy people's jobs or something.
>>77501447
Alright, it´s not like I have anything better to do.
I´m currently 18, repeating a course, to be specific, the first part of two years of "advanced" studies you need to do if you want to get to college. I fucked up the previous year and had to repeat. This year I picked different subjects to study, leaving most of my failed classes behind except for one I am not allowed to renounce to.
I´m going to have to study for the summer to get back these two new failed subjects, but even if I don´t I´ll be able to get to the next course. Then I´ll be really screwed, because there´s no way I´m gonna pass the university selection exam. From then on I guess I could study a minor major such as mechanic or so, but I still would suck at it. All in all, I´m a useless, unambitious, unintelligent piece of human garbage. The moment I can no longer procrastinate being a bum, I´ll provably throw myself off a building. I´m not that attached to living, really, nor do I have many expectations. I would like to get laid before that, though, but I´ll most likely hire a hooker.
I think they're are 2 kinds of NEETS. The kind where you sit around till you get the paycheck in the mail then blow it on useless shit like video games and candy and the kind where you volunteer your time doing whatever you can to make your neighborhood a better place. I would think I classify as the second. I've never really had friends so I'm not tempted to splurge and I was taught to save money from an early age. I now have well over 30,000 to start my life if and when I find something I enjoy.
>>77472110
>Are NEETs the result of a lack of jobs in society?
there's 3.5 million unfilled positions in various industries here in the U.S. The problem is that it's both difficult to find qualified workers that can perform the jobs, and hard for the NEETs who do qualify to even be aware of them.
Fuck all these inter-company job postings and middle-man HR firms, the U.S. job market is really hard to penetrate without friends opening the door for you.
>>77501718
You're absolutely right, life became just too easy. I'm in a constant quest to satisfy my curiosity, I want to read so many books, watch so many shows, learn to code better, etc, etc. All of these things can be done from the extreme comfiness of my house. I think we all need a sense of belonging and since society for so many of us doesn't appeal to us, we decide to become NEEts, to essentially just check out of it. NEEts are similar to those young jihadis that leave the comfort of the West to go join ISIS, except NEETs don't turn to violence and become shut-ins instead.
My goal in life really is to have a nice wife and hopefully some nice kids too, that's all I really want. However with society going to shit (more SJWs, more fags, more Muslims, more shit), I feel increasingly alienated from it, it's hard. Maybe if I find a girl we could runaway from it all together.
>>77501718
This. Modern society is a sick joke and treats me like me like shit, so I owe nothing to society and am happy to leech. I care about my family but I really see no point having ambition or motivation. Why do I have to "achieve" anything?
>>77472110
Mostly the second, but in most small American towns the unemployment rate is so high because the only jobs are at a factory or two if your lucky and hundreds of crappy minimum wage retail jobs.
>>77472439
Mostly this. No one wants to go work at under $15/hr after earning a 4-year degree. Sure not everyone majored in STEM, but I don't think having a poly sci degree should mean nothing to most employers.
>>77502148
>My goal in life really is to have a nice wife and hopefully some nice kids too, that's all I really want. However with society going to shit (more SJWs, more fags, more Muslims, more shit), I feel increasingly alienated from it, it's hard. Maybe if I find a girl we could runaway from it all together.
This
If I could have a comfy low paying job in the countryside where I could be an autist on my own I'd take it. I just don't enjoy modern normie society, never bothered with any social media, no friends really
>>77499412
Military said I had a "medical condition" so i can't join after going to MEPS. what is this medical condition? well, it's apparently undefinable, can't be proven, and can't be documented. but damnit they know I got something!
>>77474361
True.
>>77502172
I understand your position, it is hard indeed to find what one must achieve. Think about stuff you like, would you like to have a company? Something that reflects who you are as a person. I hope all NEETs including myself find what is their purpose on this Earth.
>>77472110
They're lazy losers whose only skills are leveling up in video games and masturbating to porn. If they can't get a comfy office job sitting in front of a computer and not have to talk to anybody, they'd rather remain unemployed. They'd rather live in their parent's basement and remain an embarrassment.
>>77472439
Working a shit job that isn't worth it is 10000x better than doing nothing.
It shows a willingness to work which is a huge plus for potential employers.
Employers will take someone with a third class degree who worked for 5 years after university in a bar over someone with a first class degree who didn't leave the house because the available jobs were 'beneath' them.
I'm not a NEET, but it's not worth it.
Society isn't worth participating in anymore.
>>77472110
jobs issue.
You cant just go get a job anymore. Its about who you know or you picked the right major at the right time.
>>77480066
LRN 2 READING!
>>77472110
Lack of jobs, shit pay makes it not worth it, family/friends/girlfriends enabling, welfare mentality, i could go on and on. I work like a fucki ng dog, feel my body falling apart, my mind is drained and all I want to do is just sit and watch tv when im off. Working is sucking my soul, and the shit time off i get doesnt provide adequate time to recover. I wonder, should i wait to amass some retirement money, or just give up now, go be a barista part-time, and enjoy my life.
>>77502540
Can you state some of your reasons? I would like to know if they're similar to the ones I've stated.
I work, you should too anons. You will grow old with no pension funds.
>>77501194
Instead you exist because we raped your indeans.
Literally moroindios.
>>77472110
Me being a NEET is a protest against having to hop through ridiculous hoops for even the simplest of jobs with multiple rounds of group interviews and sociopathic self marketing, and all that retarded shit.
Not even trying to find a job at the moment.
>>77472110
Spanish millennials have 50% unemployment. Really makes you think.
>>77483417
>who've applied for triple digit jobs are still unemployed? If we're so lazy, why are we applying for jobs?
I'm on Newstart as well - Number of jobs applied means nothing mate. I've done the same thing, 100-200 jobs applied, roughly 5 responses, 0 successful. Employers KNOW that people need to fill their 20 a month quota so their application filtering process is much stricter. I know why I haven't got a job, I haven't put in the effort of calling up these places, I haven't ~~taken initiative~~.
Hell I wrote a script that runs phantomjs and automatically applies for jobs through their "job site". Gumtree ads are easiest because you don't have to fuck around with inputting your details into yet another application system.
>>77502731
You are both living in canada so there's that.
>>77502803
Let´s be fair, he could have also been bred by a couple of Spaniards OR a couple of natives whose children were educated in the Spanish language
>>77502037
Man...YOU'RE 18!!!
I know the feel, repeating a year to pass a lot of subjects, wasn't easy (and it was not free, of course), but in the long run you have to be more powerful than ever! I don't know your education system, but I don't believe they will reject you because your high-school or <advanced studies> ... incident.
Just take the exams, find out what they require. I heard manufacturing is well better in North of Spain.
I'm not joking, tell your employer that you don't want a siesta, you are different from a lot of people, you want to make a change, you want to be the best of the best and so on.
>>77501718
And how are you going to pay for food, internet provider, electricity bill etc?
Yes, you can live in a 1-room place, just by yourself. But not free.
>>77502933
Yeah, we suck very much, don´t we.
Wait, 50%? I thought we were doing... I don´t know whether better or worse, but 50% seems like an odd number.
>>77503135
It's summer time, after summer time it'd shoot up to 50%+
>>77502367
probably sniffed the autism on you
>>77503135
http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/
Did it make you think yet
>>77472110
In my area it's mostly jobs. The few that are around are almost all zero contract and give hardly any hours. So people might say get another job you lazy bum. But you can't as the people offering zero contracts always ask if you can be available at all times. If you say no, you don't get it.
>>77503064
Unfortunately for me is that, like most NEETS, or wanna be NEETS, I´m unmotivated. I have no objectives nor goals, and thus I don´t see the point of studying anything. I literally can´t concentrate on learning anything, and yet I can fucking learn everything that I isn´t academical in the slightest.
>>77478113
Depending on your area £7 an hour will leave you worse off than benefits.
>>77502945
>>77502731
My older brother is a fucking neet and he just eats better than me and sleeps all day.
Women are all working shitty jobs nowadays so nobody has time for any of the things that make life worth living.
>>77478479
This 100%. I currently hold a shitty retail job making $10 an hour, most of the factory jobs here only pay a couple dollars more or less than what I make so what's the fucking point in working harder?
>>77480503
>Worldstar Hiphop runs monthly documentaries on blacks who talk to the police, just search 'fight comp.'
Underrated kek
>>77502411
>Think about stuff you like, would you like to have a company? Something that reflects who you are as a person. I hope all NEETs including myself find what is their purpose on this Earth.
Running a company doesn't really interest me, money isn't my motivation. My interests are mostly pretty boring (reading, running, vidya). I've considered gardening in the past but idk how feasible it is. I like rural areas but again, most work is in cities.
How do you get council housing?
I've lived in the same borough of London my entire life. I work but can't afford my own place and my family is such a negative influence on my life I want to get out.
Is it easier if you're NEET?
>>77503064
Right now I have a 45 square meter apartment. Rented obviously. But nice neighbourhood, two rooms, own small patio. Pretty new houses aswell (like 10-15 years old maybe, can't remember). It's bigger than a single person would ever need, I think. Maybe if you have a hobby that needs a lot of space, you might want more.
The rent, bills, food, drugs, alcohol are all paid by government's neetbux. Maybe it's not the same everywhere and maybe it won't be the same in Finland forever, probably won't.
But right now, I can live a pretty good life without doing anything.
Although as I said earlier, I'm not a true NEET anymore. I'm studying, doing my work experience thing right now. I get a bit more neetbux than I would by doing nothing but the difference is not big. And I was a true NEET for several years.
Something that will help a lot is to volunteer at a bunch of volunteer places. That will make your resume look really good. Also if they ask about your hobbies in an interview instead of saying "I jack off to loli anime" you can instead say "I follow geopolitics and current events." It makes you sound less like a fag and you can put your shitposting to good use.
>>77503396
You do have objectives and goals.
1. job
2. money
3. change of attitude
4. finish what you've started (2 year advanced or something)
5. family
>>77503653
How can you study while being a Neet? In Austria it's either fulltime neetdom or a tiny study support (like 1/5th of what a neet gets for doing jackshit)
>>77503653
>doing my work experience thing right now
So you have a job or trying to find one?
The social-system of your country is outstanding, and the education, of course.
Can't understand why do you say "neet", because you have a course to finish and so on. But maybe the Gov is paying this because you're a student. Would the Gov pay for all of these if you were not enrolled in a course or actively search for a job?
I'm not going to write a book on my life experience but I was a NEET doing the same thing you guys were doing after college (STEM job, applying everywhere, no replies, etc etc etc). Eventually I did get a job but the company went bankrupt a year later. So what did I do?
Got a job that was 'beneath me'. I just had to fucking do something. No way was I going to sit in my PJ's for six more months throwing resumes into a black hole. I worked my ass off at this company, improved my skills, and got more hours until they TOO went bankrupt. But at this point, I had enough skills to get hired on immediately somewhere else. During that time, I started my own side business, and here I am now a few years later a full fledged business owner.
My advice to you NEETs who actually want to work but can't "get a job" is to just go somewhere that is beneath you and create momentum. Don't wait for some overweight, football watching, beer drinking corporate middle manager to give you a job. You're smarter than all those fucks anyway. Those cushy, office jobs that you guys are craving are crap monkey work meant for faggots with no real drive and ambition in life other than winning their multiple Fantasy Football Leagues. If you prove to be a valuable, positive, and energetic employee, there will be a place for you and things will work out. The truth is we were raked over the coals with the STEM degree meme. There are very few jobs out there in the field with thousands competing for each one. The sooner you get over it the better off you will be.
Somebody should study the NEET phenomena and write a book, I'm saving this thread because it contains a lot of valuable comments and interesting perspectives.
>>77503655
don't say politics as a hobby. it means you've taken a side, and people who take sides are bad for the flow of a neutral environment
>>77472936
You fuck up, you pay the toll.
>>77504273
In the EU, all the shitty jobs go to Eastern Europeans. Believe it or not, it's easier to get a good job. Those places that know you won't stay there longer than necessary won't even call you back.
>>77475911
You made me depressed. I can't afford school and am trying to save up, trying to study in between twelve hour shifts. I had to stop going to martial arts class. I haven't sat and just read a book in two years. I'm so fucked it's killing me. At this rate I won't be in school for another four years
>>77504560
*easier to get a good job than a shitty job is what I meant
>>77504273
For example, if you're engineer and can't find a job in that specific domain, apply for a technician job (wiring security feeds, repairing machines etc).
>>77472110
>Are NEETs the result of a lack of jobs in society?
Nope. There were previously people who were unemployed throughout history.
NEETs signify a spiritual death of the west. We've reached a point where we as a people just don't give a shit about anything anymore.
>>77503991
>>77504048
Ah well, actually, being on a student status is not a good thing in Finland. You get paid less neetbux than being a neet. You can take a loan, obviously, to get the same amount of neetbux you would otherwise.
I messed up my "student status" a long time ago by being enrolled, withdrawing student bux and not studying enough.
>So you have a job or trying to find one?
I have a "job" except it's not a paid position. I'm a trainee if you'd call it. Learning at the job, it's part of the education.
There are many different kinds of neetbux in Finland. It's way too complicated. Some for students, some for who are unemployed but trying to find a job, some for those who are uncapable of working or studying due to health reasons (physical or mental) or the last resort TRUE neetbux which is basically "well you can't get money from anywhere else so we pay you"
The base line for all the different neetbux are about the same. The differences might be 10 to 20 euros per month or so.
So to make clear, I'm in the "uncapable to get a job or study" pool but I am still studying. I was deemed uncapable to do that earlier (being a neet, withdrawn from society, depression) so I can study and do my work experience on that benefit. But I could get similar neet bux no matter what I was doing. Except if I was studying on actual student benefits, I'd get LESS if I didn't take a loan.
Uhh.. yeah
In my experience it's bad parenting + mental illness (that normally goes unchecked because bad parents during childhood&adolesence), by the time you (if you) overcome that you've been out of circulation for a few years and trying to reintegrate into society and get a job is difficult albeit not impossible.
I used to be a NEET because nobody gave me a shot, even though I had lots to offer. Now, I work at a grocery store, and feel like I'm being taken advantage of sometimes, and miss being a NEET staying home doing nothing.
When you realize that hard work does NOT pay off unless it's your own business you're running, I can't blame others for dropping out of the job world.
>Work hard at school
>Dumb as fuck people still had higher GPA because the game was rigged to hell and back, especially for males
>Work hard at work
>Just be that guy who's constantly asked to come in or stay longer because everyone else is a slacker.
>Feel like there's no ladder to climb
/pol/ wasn't kidding with the term "wage slave." Employers are always ALWAYS trying to cut corners with their workers.
>>77504560
I know what you mean. But there are still plenty that need a warm body no matter who it is. I had a friend who was a manager at a warehouse, he said it was full of dindus and that they were desperate for workers who actually had common sense. Didn't matter if they were high school graduates or had Master's degrees. But they had a hard time finding those candidates even though there was room for upward mobility there. It's just that you had to stick out basically minimum wage conditions for 6 months but you would get promoted quickly if you actually worked hard.
>>77504273
>Got a job that was 'beneath me'
sounds good but unfortunately is a lot harder than it looks. Most places will simply say you're "overqualified" and thats if you manage to avoid the resume black hole in the first place.
The real fact is that pretty much 99% of people with jobs get them through contacts and networking. So its easy to see why loner autists from 4chan are NEET, they have no social circle and lack the social abilities to create one through networking.
>>77504803
..............This is not a new phenomenon in society m8. The dejected and apathetic have always resigned from conventional society
>>77503712
>1
That´s the point; I can´t find a job that I am interested or competent in.
>2
The only money I want is enough to eat, drink, go to the bathroom, sleep and connect to the Internet.
>3
I don´t see how that´s an objective. How am I supposed to make changing my attitude an objective when I have no objectives because of my attitude? It´s a paradox
4>
Why would I want to do that? I´m literally just doing it because it was handed to me with a "There, that should keep you entertained for a while". I could stare at a wall for two years and it would be just as exciting.
5>
Now, this is a little vague. I´m not supposed to become a burden to my family? I can get the same results by killing myself.
>>77503653
I would love to have that. Room to set up a little recording studio and somewhere to draw.
I would fucking love that.
I work but there's no way I could get that.
Glad you're enjoying your life, anon. Wish it was possible in England.
>>77504840
I understand now, you have to fulfill the trainee contract between you, your emplyer and the university you're attenting.
I don't know what domain you are at, but try to do your best and, maybe, you will get hired after finishing it.
I know someone who went 3 months each day (summer) during the 3rd year, most of his colleagues went 1-2 days just for the trainee-paper. After the 4th year, he went with his graduation paper to that firm, telled them "If you want me, here I am", or something like that, and yes, he got hired. Because he was different from the others.
>>77505270
Have you tried.... game tester?
>>77505265
Yes, and you tell them like "yes, I know I'm overqualified, but that's why I'm here at this interview: to obtain this job!"
>>77504895
I do have mental illnesses, on anti-depressants just to numb the misery of my life. My parents are ok though, don't blame them, I just society and myself.
>>77505270
>The only money I want is enough to eat, drink, go to the bathroom, sleep and connect to the Internet.
This
NEET(ish) here. I have a bachelor's and about 5 years work experience. Im 27 and unemployed. The simple truth is that jobs are hard to find, and even if you do find a job, it is generally soul crushing, shit hours, low pay, and the cost of living is so high. you basically work and destroy your body to break even. For many people it isn't worth it. People are "lucky" to make $15/hr yet that isnt even enough to be independent. The american dream is a myth. the only way to be successful is to be lucky. education, intelligence, skill, motivation etc means absolutely nothing. the highest earners are generally dumb over paid old people who like to wake up at 4am and prey in the youth of the young. Basically it is a shit job market that is not appealing to anyone anymore. why work and destroy your body and get essentially nothing for it?
>>77505265
Protip: have two CVs.
One for 'proper' jobs where it shows your full education.
Another without your degree or whatever.
I got a job I was overqualified for (because I needed money and couldn't find a job in my field) because they didn't know the extent of my qualifications.
>>77505723
You know, that sounds like such an easy and attractive job that there´s has to be a huge catch to it.
lol single motherhood.
>>77505270
Man, you have to finish what you've started!
Don't be like most of the people, start something and not finish. It's a sign of weakness. Unless you do something awsome, like Bill Gates and other people who drop out of school / college and funded those multi-billiond $ Companies. But those years are over.
I'm not sure if similar options are available in other countries, but in Finland it's a great deal for a NEET to try to get work experience with neet bux.
Basically your employer doesn't pay you, the government pays you your neetbux + a little extra.
It's a great way to get actual work experience in a meaningful place. You learn by doing and your CV looks a little bit better the next time. Or maybe they'll hire you afterwards.
There are obviously problems, companies who try to abuse the free workers. Make them do all sorts of shitty stuff and just keep rotating them because it's free.
But not all companies are like that. And personally I wouldn't go to a grocery store or shit like that because you wouldn't learn anything, you'd just be free work force. I'm working with electronics and writing software, so I enjoy it more than staying at home.
this is the first period in history where labor improvements in one sector didn't create a huge boom in another. Machines and NAFTA ended manufacturing, but there wasn't a corresponding boom in service jobs to cope so everyone that isn't the best of the best just ate shit. When service jobs start being automated, western countries will need to either implement a UBI or let people starve in the streets because our economy is no longer for us, it's for the profits of companies
I know a NEET who always proudly and smugly says that he has a "problem with authority figures", and that's why he can't get a job, because he doesn't want to deal with a boss.
>>77476990
This guy gets it. There's no middle ground. It's either pay tons of money, study my ass of, lose any form of free time, and hope I become a doctor or a mechanical engineer, or work some really shitty back-breaking job for pennies.
And to be honest, I, among millions and millions of others, don't want to be an engineer. Maybe a store manager, or own a small businesses in the mercantile field.
As they say, the Danish are happy, because they have a bit of "Lagom" in their lives, or a perfectly content middle ground.
>>77505907
You can try at Ubisoft, Electronic Arts, Gameloft and so on. Of course, the pay is... low, at least here...
>>77506058
>companies who try to abuse the free workers. Make them do all sorts of shitty stuff and just keep rotating them because it's free.
Even in Finland ?! ?! ?!
>>77505945
The problem is I lack to motivation and skills to complete it. I think I got stuck back in fucking 4 grade (16 years old), and I´ve never been able to go beyond that.
>>77472110
Both, there's always McDonalds to hire you but there's also practically invisible line between eating shit and flipping burgers for 3€/h. Minorities don't have even to work and usually have more money than working people because they spawn huge broods of little supermarket thieves giving them access to huge welfare while giving them immunity from law because muh racism thus demotivating working people.
>>77505852
>tfw 21 and never held a job
>>77506281
How low?
>>77477858
this desi
>>77506433
That's fairly normal so I wouldn't beat yourself up about it.
>>77506395
What do your parents say about your situation?
>>77506439
http://www.undelucram.ro/forum-ubisoft-totul-despre-mediul-de-lucru-interviu-salariu-51/p7
211 Euros (960 Lei). After taxes, of course.
>>77505265
Thats true. Thats why I hate the private business, here in Brazil the government job selection is very much harder but also very much fair, I'm trying it after graduation.
>>77506281
>Electronic Arts
Don't do it. We have their main office in Redwood City, California, and I personally know a few people who worked there on the Sims2 and later SimCity projects. They were worked to hell and back with the most abysmal hours, sometimes overnight to the next day, with 2 or more hours of commuting to and from work, since nobody actually LIVES in Redwood City. Don't get me started on the payments. Sometimes no overtime.
>>77506869
I agree. Same shit here.
>>77503653
man 45 squares so lucky god damn 20 more than mine mad jelly right now
I work a security job and get paid 12 bucks an hour, but I might as well be NEET because I'm helping support my elderly father and I have no money to go to college.
The high living expenses are barely covered because of my shit job, and I can't get myself a better job because no money for college. Literally no money, as in even if I got the classes paid off I wouldn't have money for the books.
I've tried searching for a better-paying job in my area but if it pays more per hour it is either part-time or seasonal, and if it's a steady wage it's usually lower than what I'm making now.
The job market and education system has penned me into a corner and I see no way of getting out.
>>77506740
They leave me alone for the most part; I´d say they are not aware of the full situation. At least, not of my suicide plan. They insist on me studying, but since they know it makes me miserable they limit themselves to a brief reminder here and there, or any time a school related topic is brought up in a conversation. However, it is left as a comment or a two minute talk and then they stop addressing it. They used to be much more active, such as one time that they forbid me from accessing the Internet, but after a week of me being pretty damn depressed (seriously, being in the Internet is one of the few things that keep my mind off my problems) they gave it back and never tried that again.
I ain't working unless it's a concentration camp.
Would you work your life out for corrupt evil and arrogant bastards?
>>77506433
Well honestly, that's not unusual nowadays I think.
>>77505265
Yep, having contacts is so important. But you can always make new ones.
I wrote about the job experience thing on neet bux earlier. Probably not a thing in the US? But that's a great way to get those contacts even if you're (I am) a loner autist. You can make an impression just by doing your work training properly and you don't have to care about trying to make friends or getting to know important people.
>hey, remember when I was doing that job practice for you? I'm applying for some jobs in the field, could you recommend me?
>>77503018
Teaching a dog how to meow does not make him a cat
>>77505201
Yeah but Eastern Euros aren't dindus tbqh. They're cheap, loyal and not terrible workers at all. I can't really blame the employers for wanting them. I blame the EUcrats and the Eastern Expansion scheme that was basically meant to impoverish and screw over the middle class.
>>77507147
You live in Helsinki or something then? Or really close to the city centre?
>>77507213
>12 dollars an hour just to patrol and sit at a reception desk
Fucking hell.
>>77472110
Remove gov benefits and they will look for a job
Lower tax on companies and capital and jobs will come
>>77507347
Now they leave you alone. But after 1-2 years (or more) they will start asking you about your... plans.
>>77507709
100% this.
>>77507709
Obviously if you remove benefits, people will have to find a job to live. Hopefully there will be enough jobs. Or you know, they might also commit crimes, steal food, rob stores or people for money etc.
>>77481377
You keep saying that diversity hiring is a major reason you can't get a job but I know two colleagues who went to work in Melbourne straight out of college just because they were qualified for the jobs.
I really hope you didn't search for a job with a meme degree like IoT or Big data internships anon.
And if you're really looking for a job apply for bank positions. They really pay well and getting hired there is easy.
>>77507709
Jobs aren't created out of thin air, it isn't how it works. Unless you're willing to work for a Chinese salary, those China production jobs are never coming back.
>26 years old
>Bachelor of science from a top 100 world university
>Master of science from a top 100 world university
>2 years of part-time (15-20 hours a week) and 7 summers (80 hours a week for 6 weeks) of work experience
>Totally flexible and willing to take anything remotely related to my field
>3 years of applications
>advice on CV/Application forms from a huge range of professional sources, companies and recruitment agencies
And nothing. Made it to the final assessment day once. They said I did well but narrowly missed out.
>1 assessment day
>over 500 applications to realistic positions
You tell me who is to blame.
>>77508297
You can always nationalize sectors and force them to come back if you want a short term employment surge.
>>77508297
Stop buying stuff made in China.
Or buy a new chinese item if the actual is broken and / or if you can't buy something made locally.
>>77508438
Manlet detected.
>>77508438
B.S. and M.S. in what?
>>77508499
Capital flight follows.
>>77507665
It's for a company that owns an office building but they only occupy the first few floors. I literally just sit at the front desk all day and occasionally walk around the upper unoccupied floors to make sure nobody's sleeping or squatting up there or some shit.
It sounds kushy but I hate it. I feel like a fucking worthless vegetable.
>>77508438
gotta love it especially from boomers,
>you need to get a job back in my day I "worked hard"
>I applied to every store in town both online and in person
>well you didn't try hard enough, just work hard
>stop telling me to "work hard" it's a meaningless phrase you fuck
