can somebody PLEASE give me a legit reason why guns should still be legal in America in 2016?
pro tip: self defense is not a legit reason, if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense. also you are far more likely to accidentally kill yourself or a family member with a gun than to use it for self defense. owning a gun is simply not a good idea.
pro tip: target shooting is not a legit reason, saving 30,000 lives is far more important than rednecks having fun shooting targets
pro tip: in America guns would not be useful to take down an oppressive government or an invading army at all. please stop with your red dawn fantasies. how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
pro tip: hunting is not a legit reason. its 2016, nobody needs to hunt for food anymore. Hunting is cruel to the animals who die a painful and frightening death. Also hunting is terrible for endangered sepcies like wolves and grizzly bears. And iif animals are getting overpopulated like whitetail deer then the government can cull them, it should not be left up to civilians.
>>77448356
>self defense is not a legit reason
wew
>>77448356
>look mom I posted the same shit with the same crap picture again!
>>77448356
>a legit reason
FUCKING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTT
>pro tip: self defense is not a legit reason
Liberals...
>>77448356
>One post by this ID
Fuck off current year shill
>posting 4 year old pasta
When the Happening occurs I will take Horsey's scalp and fashion a crown from his skull.
SHALL
>>77448384
POST
Bill of rights not needs.
Shall not be infringed.
Your butthurt and fantasy world where everyone sings kubaya around the campfire doesn't trump others right to defend themselces.
>>77448356
>In b4 1 post by this ID OP
Yeah, fuck off
>>77448356
"gun control" literally solves ZERO problems
fucking idiots
>>77448356
>1 post by this ID
The options field is there for a reason brothers.
>>77448356
makes you rally think huh?!
>>77448547
>where everyone sings kubaya around the campfire
nice meme leafy
>>77448561
I always imagine how these morons think it's somehow more humane or dignified to be murdered with a hammer or knife than with a gun or something. Insanity.
>>77448512
BY
>>77448356
It's funny because that's how it's going to happen. Peace keepers
Note: the biggest killers with guns are niggers and white liberals on psych meds, followed by Muslims.
Not the EVIIIIIIIL right-wing boogeyman.
>>77448655
it is much harder to kill somebody with a hammer you dumbass, why do you think european and east asian countries have such low murder rates?
also it would practically end mass murders, you think the orlando nightclub shooter would have still been able to kill 50 people armed with a sledgehammer?
>>77448356
>self defense
Hurr a durr
>target shooting
Isn't about fun, it's that part of 2a that mentions well-regulated
>oppressive government
You can still hit logistics, and threaten corrupt senators, etc.
>hunting
most of conservation land is paid for by hunting permits. Capitalism works.
>>77448356
Someone has seen too many drop your pants and take it movies. You can disarm yourself, you won't be missed.
>>77448356
>>77448356
Because if they can take 1 constitutional right away, they can take all constitutional rights away.
Faggot.
>>77448384
>>77448399
>>77448456
>>77448477
>>77448481
>>77448489
>>77448500
>>77448505
>>77448512
>>77448547
>>77448553
>>77448561
>>77448608
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>>77448595
hmmmm.... still havent got a reason why guns should be legal!
>>77448356
Because plasma cannons aren't available yet.
>>77448806
>You can still hit logistics, and threaten corrupt senators
>>77449035
loot it up
>>77449006
> slippery slope fallacy
kek
>>77448805
Tell that to the victims of the bataclan attacks.
Oh wait, you can't cause they were shot to death.
>>77448356
>it's 2016
At least be subtle
>>77449093
not an argument
>>77448356
>can somebody PLEASE give me a legit reason why guns should still be legal in America in 2016?
Because of other people with guns.
>>77448356
The fuck is safeway?
>>77448805
>why do you think european and east asian countries have such low murder rates
HA
HA
HA
>>77448356
>>77448356
>>77449069
It's kind of hard for the AC 130 to shoot you without any ammo.
all these gunfags BTFO by their own backwards logic
>>77449137
It's a grocery store chain in the midwest.
>>77449035
>still havent got a reason why guns should be legal!
I am American, I don't have to give you shit
>>77449137
A grocery store.
>t.Northwest
>can somebody PLEASE give me a legit reason why guns should still be legal in America in 2016?
Because governments are still tyrannical.
>>77449099
>Fallacy
>>77448356
>OP After firing a gun for the first time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmMPhnnNo0
It is ok OP, we understand you are a gigantic and massive faggot, we welcome your kind now on /lgbt/ friendly /pol/, enjoy your stay you cock sucking faggot!
>>77449188
only 3 posts? HMMM SHILL
>>77449189
>>77449121
you'll find an argument if you just look it up. You won't do it because you won't like what you find. : ^)
>>77448356
The only solution is suicide OP. Just make sure not to use a gun, that would just be awful. Don't add to the gun death statistics and give retards like you more sophistic talking points.
>>77449241
pro tip: in America guns would not be useful to take down an oppressive government or an invading army at all. please stop with your red dawn fantasies. how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
>>77448356
>6 niggers break into your house at night
>they dont have guns
>so glad I dont need a gun to defend myself
>let me grab my phone and call the cops
>hope they dont hurt these young disenfranchised boys before they can get their money for school clothes and church camp
>>77448356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DvePjbXDLc
>>77449314
>>77448805
Do you think banning guns will stop guns, there will always be a supply, and hell he could have just made bombs and raised his kill count.
>>77449035
It's necessary to the security of a free State (quite literally, it is).
And that right shall not be infringed.
It's not hard.
>>77449318
not an argument
>>77449035
It's a persons right to defend themselves. That's reason enough lad
In this country we have firearms to equal
The playing field.
What you are proposing is a return to barbarity. Tribal bullshit.
>>77449216
k you should make a
>white
thread like that Spanish one if you want to shill properly. here's your (you).
>>77448356
I'll take the bait, faggot.
>self defense
You're fucking retarded if you believe that.
>target shooting
Have you ever tried it? Also 30k is literally 1% of 1% of the population. Lets discuss more pressing matters like heard disease and diabetes.
>overthrow government
Were you not watching the last 15 years in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Vietnam?
>hunting
Fuck you deer is delicious.
This, this is a luty, look it up and then kill yourself shill
Also this: http://thehomegunsmith.com/
>>77448356
Criminals dont give a fuck about laws. They wont turn there guns in.
All you do is put honest ppl in to danger.
Baning guns will not fix killing sprees.
If one wants you dead he will kill you.
You cant do shit against it. You will always live in fear for the rest of your life.
Exept you got a gun then you spend the rest of your life being ready.
>>77449379
+1 one man killed 3+ million people who weren't aloud to own guns, how were they to protect themselves against their government whom they wanted to trust? hmmm op?
>>77449375
> there will always be a supply
then how come gun murders in australia dropped dramatically after the enforced strict regulations in 1996!?
B T F O
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F
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>>77448356
Holy FUCK
So many motherfucking current year anto gun shills
JUST FUCK OFF
>>77449341
>pro tip: in America guns would not be useful to take down an oppressive government or an invading army at all. please stop with your red dawn fantasies. how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
you're full of shit and this image explains why
>>77449523
A fucking island
> Kek
>>77449523
They dropt not stopd.
>>77449480
Good ol /k/,
>>77448356
You know the one thing nice about a complete gun ban would be seeing how liberals react when mass shootings still happen.
>>77449436
> What you are proposing is a return to barbarity. Tribal bullshit.
ahh just like germany and australia right? yeah they are such barbaric shitholes.
just look at a country with no gun laws like somalia, truly a paradise right???
>>77449312
What's ironic is that Trump has vowed to take away essential liberties for the sake of domestic safety as well.
>>77449523
But there is still gun murders is there not?
Liberals:0
Everyone else:1
SHALL NOT BE MOTHERFUCKING INFRINGED
MOTHERFUCKER
>>77448356
You're right let's just make guns illegal. And then knives. And then, fuck it, cars are dangerous too, so lets just make that illegal. Freedom of speech seems really dangerous, so lets make that illegal as well. Its all for your safety folks.
>slippery slopes don't exist
>>77449545
this basically proves why all gun-nuts are fedora tipping redneck faggots with V for Vendetta fantasies
SAGE reddit shill
>>77449523
gun crime was already dropping, it would had continue to drop even without the gun ban
>when half of pol fell for this obvious b8
>>77449623
Oh so you are for gun control because you are a racist, got it.
>>77448356
Y U NO POST ORIGINAL, ANON?
>>77449622
there would still be mass shooting. it is foolish to think there would be no more gun deaths.
what I am sure of though is that there would be far less than 30,000 gun deaths per year
and if we could save just one innocent life by banning guns I think it would be worth it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVs9psi_G5k
CliffsNotes: over 170 million (more recent estimates put it at over 200) people were slaughtered by their own governments during the 20th century, and in every single case the people were disarmed by gun control first. America itself has done this on a smaller and more concentrated scale with blacks, asians, and indians, so the idea that it can't happen here is unfounded.
Your point about a gun in the house more likely killing you than defending you is untrue, and based on surveys like this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182 where only guns fired in self defense are counted. Defensive use of guns is almost always without a shot fired. https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/
And the idea is not to take down the government directly through use of arms, it's to deter and defend from the government taking action against its people. Merely having the guns is vital to this, but using the guns in guerrilla and attrition style warfare can also be effective.
>>77448356
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with
>>77448356
Nice b8 m8
>>77449798
>and if we could save just one innocent life
>>77449623
Somalia has gun laws, but due to its location an excessive amount of illegal arms trading... Do you think isis walks into a store and buys thousands of AK's and other weaponry no they get it from arms trading.
>>77448356
>self defense
>target shooting
>2nd amendment
>hunting
>>77449798
There is no inocense you tripping hippy.
>>77449777
Because OP doesn't want to dare blame the attacker that'd be racist
>>77449523
Australia doesn't border Cartel Central that is Mexico.
>>77449623
21 million people on an island. That's just about half the population of California.
Germany,
With its new guests it has been a returned to barbarity, rape, arson, theft, assault, murder, and some petty larceny, I'm sure. If they try to take em there will be many questions zinging past the heads of those who think they have the answer
Okay. But only if Obongo goes first and dismisses and disarms his security team.
If you gun nuts were really as serious as you say you are about protecting individual liberties from an oppressive or unjust government, you would take all your 'hunting' automatic weapons with you to every government institution, from police stations to army stations, congress, fbi, up and down.
But the bottom line is that you don't care about the threat of government tyranny, or the lives lost from madmen and ideologues wielding the weapons you coddle so dearly, you just care about owning a gun.
It just seems that Americans want to kill more than others. What is it roughly about 32000+ murders a year. Other western developed nations average 100-200 for the year. So of it wasn't guns it'd be something else. Not sure what's up as to why so many murders.
>>77448356
>Why guns should still be legal in (((current year)))
If guns were illegal why the fuck wouldn't criminals be able to get them?
Criminals break the fucking law retard.
>>77449035
Nobody can be this retarded without trying. Fuck off nigger.
>>77450021
[muffled "sheeeeiiiit" in the distance]
>>77450065
>The Yakuza isn't in the news anymore and that means no-gun laws like the one in Japan work :^)
Leftists really say that
>>77448356
>self defense is not a legit reason
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense
Why should I have to get in a goddamn knife fight in order to defend myself? I'd rather just shoot the psychopath trying to rob/maim/kill me than risk my life and limb for the benefit of a criminal.
>how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
I dunno, ask the Taliban? Our military had difficulty maintaining the peace in Iraq or Afghanistan, and that was against a small insurgency of illiterate goatfuckers armed with outdated equipment. Furthermore, we had no respect for those subhuman hajis and had no problem blowing them to fuck - the same cannot be said of Americans against Americans.
>its 2016, nobody needs to hunt for food anymore.
Unless you live in Alaska or any rural region where you're lucky if the only business in 30-50 miles, a gas station, even has milk. Plenty of rural Americans rely on hunting to provide a chunk of their food throughout the year.
>Hunting is cruel to the animals who die a painful and frightening death.
And? You think their necks getting bitten out by a wolf is any better?
>Also hunting is terrible for endangered sepcies like wolves and grizzly bears
>wolves endangered
>grizzly bears endangered
They're both Least Concern, you fucking moron. We regulate their population, and the population of deer, to stable levels with hunting.
>then the government can cull them, it should not be left up to civilians.
Why, so the food is wasted?
>>77449798
Then we should also ban all muslims if it would save one innocent life.
>>77448356
>one massacre by this muslim
America is a dangerous place.
The Police are overworked as is and guns help in defending yourself when the Police just do not have the man power to go to every call in that very moment that you need help. Gun control would work in a very small population and a homogeneous community but obviously that isn't the reality, Guns are needed to just act as a safe guard just in case.
>>77449679
Love how you faggots always leave out the first part of the fucking amendment.
A WELL REGULATED MILITIA
what the fuck do you think "regulated" means, dipshit? Do you really think three guys in a truck with a few AR's is a "militia"? Wait, you probably do.
>>77448356
>not realising that criminals take weapons from black market
Prohibition didn't work very well in USA, and you retarded liberals should know this better than anyone with your ''legalize weed''
>>77448356
As for hunting goes.
In some parts of the states wild boars are a real fucking problem.
They are destroying farming land, several over populated and their numbers are growing, threaten other wild life due to their outrages numbers.
Even with the current amount of hunting on them their numbers are still increasing.
So hunting is necessary in some cases.
>>77450021
TLDR: niggers
>>77450280
>>77450284
> you can easily make a gun in your bathtub
damn, you learn something new every day
>>77450225
/thread
>>77449363
Are these a joke?
Thats a fucking steak knife...
>>77450298
tell that to the peta fags and hippys who dont understand how the eco system work
>>77449798
Guns don't have any effect on the homicide rate
>>77450384
>all the booze came from bathtubes
Border smugglers did the mainjob.
And the people who want the gun ban hate the idea of borderwalls.
>>77450280
Yes reddit, the government wanted to insure that the right of the government, to keep and bear arms, would not be infringed by the government. How silly of us to think differently.
>>77450280
founding fathers say so, yeah.
a "militia" is a group of people who can fight, and "well regulated" literally means that they're able to fight and they can bring their own equipment.
>>77450280
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>Shall not be infringed.
>>77450419
It's what happens after the gun grabbers get guns.
>>77450280
Militia: group of citizens using their own weapons to defend their community
Well regulated: The militia has its own shit, so the govt doesn't have to provide it, though it may aid it
The right of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR arms shall NOT be infringed
>>77450489
the guy who made this image was such a master-shill blowhard
1. Keeps the government in check. 1984 is well on its way to happening in Europe right now via the EU. That will never happen in the US.
2. It's our right as Americans to be able to own a firearm.
3. To be able to defend ourselves from others with firearms.
Statistically the chances you or anyone you know will ever be even hit by a firearm (assuming you're not in the military) is ridiculously small.
>>77450280
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regular
>>77448668
THIS
>>77450451
No joke.
Im a vegetarian and I say kill off half of the wild boars. Real fucking problem right now in some of the southern states. They are fucking everywhere.
>>77450280
>no understanding of the definition in 1776
please..
Why are regressives so fucking stupid?
>>77450574
>>77450419
Coming to an America near you.
>>77450574
Do they ban pens and pencils as well?
I can stab someone in the neck probably as easily as I can kill someone with a knife int the pic....
Fuck liberals are stupid.
>muh militia
>muh guns
I don't see you assholes "keeping the government in check," save maybe for squatting at a nature reserve. And little else, really. Yeah, what a great lot of freedom fighters you are.
>>77450280
WELL would you like to defend your point? Mr.Shill?
>>77450711
>Fuck liberals are stupid
Spot on.
However, they're not liberals. That meme needs to die somehow. They're regressives.
>>77449035
Thats because you immediately discarded all valid arguments in the OP.
>>77450711
they're actually smarter than conservatives by a long shot if you know anything about anything.
>>77448356
because retards like you should simply be shot on sight
>>77450280
Look up the definition of Militia in Title 10 Subtitle A Part 1 Chapter 13 Section 311
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
>>77448356
Because criminals get their guns anyway.
Its just slightly harder for them, but its plain ignorant to think they won't.
Even here, criminals get weapons, even though they're illegal.
Would you rather have a fighting chance or just be a moving target?
>>77450894
>smarter
degrees in anti-white studies don't make you smart my shitposting friend
>>77450894
Look at you using the fancy maymays really blending right in yes you are.
>>77448356
"if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with "
I refuse to believe you're this retarded.
0/10 try again.
CONSTITUTIONAL
LOOK AT THIS MOTHERFUCKING WORD
RE READ IT 3 FUCKING TIMES
IT MEANS THOSE RIGHTS ARE THE BASIS OF THE AMERICAN NATION
IF YOU TAKE ONE OF THEM OUT THAT MEANS YOU ARE CHANGING WHAT AMERICA IS
IF YOU CHANGE ONE FUCKING THING YOU CAN CHANGE TWO
YOU COULD VERY WELL START ANOTHER COUNTRY FUCKING MORON
>>77450704
Dear god England is filled with some pussies if they are afraid of a bike tire being used as a weapon.
>>77448356
Why are we allowed to breath? Evidence shows every person who took a breath dies... Should be illegal! Saving 30000 cause niggers can't control themselves isn't a valid reason to ban guns. Percentage learns that most owners of guns will never shoot another person.
>>77451075
This.
The moment they make one change, thats one step closer to say stripping the first amendment.
Who needs free speech right?
>>77451087
Mop handles too.
>>77451087
They read 1984 as an instruction manual instead of a warning.
>>77450574
rip mother's day gift
>>77451075
> can change
> "amendment"
>>77448356
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack
Pretentious as fuck. The rest are just bold statements, so you can't even argue. I call bullshit on this thread.
Even if it is an outdated ''right''. You should not get rid of it or try to change its definition because once you are doing that you show its okay to also change anything else.
>>77448356
Go away cuck.
>>77451432
I just looked up what amendmant is
don't ever reply to my posts again sir
>IDGF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>77451276
I see it as the order they were written is the fucking importance that they thought it needed to be said and never changed.
The literal first thing they thought this country absolutely needed was a right to say whatever the fuck you want to say without being legally censored.
Then they were like, shit, an oppressive government could take that right away by force, let's make sure that the people have the right to stand up against said oppressive government if they ever need to.
Why do libcucks not understand the importance of them writing the 2nd amendment literally right after the 1st?
>>77451725
They want a list now. It makes me laugh. I can't wait for everyone to be on the list and you need some kind of stamp that they don't sell or make to get taken off of the 'list'. Wait until they have free speech 'lists' that they put everyone on. "You only have free speech if your name isn't on the list!" (everyone's name shows up on the list.)
>>77448356
>self defense is not a legit reason
If self defense of life and limb isn't legit, then you really don't care about people, since they don't even matter enough to protect them.
>>77451725
>Why do libcucks not understand the importance of them writing the 2nd amendment literally right after the 1st?
Oh. They do.
Thats why they try to get rid of it.
If you can change the 2nd amendment you can also change a lot of other things. The guns are just their way to get what they want. Or do you think a bunch of slimy bureaucrats give a fuck about gun violence? The ban is just their opening for more.
>>77448356
>Hello everyone. Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain Radio here. Hope you're doing well.
>country spends millions going through households and confiscating guns
>gun and ammo businesses are told to cut most to all of their products
>said businesses go under
>thousands of people lose their jobs
I mean even if we forget the self-defense thing it would still have a large negative effect on the country
>>77448356
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun
0.5/5 bait
>>77452178
Sup fellow RYM fag
I'd like to think that an armed society, which has evolved into a peaceful society, is infinitely more meaningful than a peaceful society untainted by the presence of serious weaponry.
Just a thought, though.
I hope you're a troll.. Because your pro tips are weak as hell. The black market would explode in this country if guns were made illegal. Mexico would be a bigger problem than it already is. Hunting is generally more humane and respectful than a slaughter house. Plus it's healthier. People will kill with or without guns. Pipe bombs would be much worse and much easier to access. Taking guns will not stop humans from being the anals that we are. Prisoners don't have guns... There's always other options. Your pro tips are weak
>>77448803
No. The biggest killers with guns are state armies. The only people guncontrollers want armed are the people who commit genocide.
>>77448356
>waah you paranoid gun nuts nobody is coming for your guns
>omg its current year guns should be Illegal
Either amend the constitution or shut the fuck up you statist piece of shit.
>>77449698
stop acting like governments going tyrannical is some ancient history never to be repeated in these modern times
there are police states and tyrannical governments all over the earth right now, not to mention the famous ones that defined last century
>>77448356
>self defense is not a legit reason, if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you
There are two extremes here.
You have to either make noone have guns ever at all, or make them as widespread as possible.
Mass deaths occur when there is a person with a gun and noone around has another. See school shootouts and the gay bar. On the other hand, the Texas Walmart shootout ended with one death - the hostage taker that was shot.
Either of those is a viable choice if you consider innocent civilians' lives.
Which leads to a question for you, OP.
Is it feasible to have every non-government working gun in USA removed?
the best explanation i have ever heard for the necessity of firearms was thus: all interactions in a society are based on either persuasion or force. if someone wishes to modify another persons behavior they can either try to persuade them to change or force them to change. in a society with firearms force is equal on both sides or at least has the potential to be. this society is generally a peaceful and polite civilized society. once you remove firearms from the equation then you dont remove force you simply remove the equalizing effect of firearms. suddenly the weaker members of society are helpless against force and can only rely on persuasion. as it stands now a woman or someone who is physically handicapped is capable of exerting lethal force with a firearm. if you remove those firearms that force will become the sole domain of the young and powerful or of mobs. you end up with a society ran by the strong at the expense of the weak and unhealthy. if you strip law abiding citizens of firearms you are literally making them victims at the most base level possible. you are taking something that is literally considered the great equalizer and making social interactions unequal to those who are not physically able to protect themselves. a society where the term "might makes right" has already happened and the people there were disarmed. right before they were shoved first into ghettos then into concentration camps. and to claim that its impossible to resist a tyrannical govt because we havent in your life time is insanely naive and self centered. the current govt is hardly tyrannical, they do have certain oversights and such that many people dislike but those are more of a social agreement than an actual tyrannical govt. we make the tradeoff of being able to drive and having govt maintained roads in exchange for allowing the govt to police those roads and enforce certain laws for everyone on those roads.
>>77448356
Missouri Sheriff Waives Concealed Carry Fees After #OrlandoShooting
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/missouri-sheriff-waives-concealed-carry-fees-orlandoshooting-video/
>>77448356
>pro tip: self defense is not a legit reason, if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense. also you are far more likely to accidentally kill yourself or a family member with a gun than to use it for self defense. owning a gun is simply not a good idea.
Yes because making something illegal gets rid of it entirely. Why don't you ask the cartels how good making drugs illegal worked. And if you'r e taking a gun safety course before getting a gun (which should be a requirement IMO) then the chances of hurting yourself or your family with it is basically 0.
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can somebody PLEASE give me a legit reason why guns should still be legal in America in 2016?
pro tip: self defense is not a legit reason, if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense. also you are far more likely to accidentally kill yourself or a family member with a gun than to use it for self defense. owning a gun is simply not a good idea.
pro tip: target shooting is not a legit reason, saving 30,000 lives is far more important than rednecks having fun shooting targets
Nobody tries to argue this, fuck off.
>>77453535
Fuck no wonder my post was too long I fucked of the copy and pasting XD.
>pro tip: in America guns would not be useful to take down an oppressive government or an invading army at all. please stop with your red dawn fantasies. how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
It worked for the Viet Cong, and they ere using outdated military tech and fucking pit traps.
> pro tip: hunting is not a legit reason. its 2016, nobody needs to hunt for food anymore. Hunting is cruel to the animals who die a painful and frightening death. Also hunting is terrible for endangered sepcies like wolves and grizzly bears. And iif animals are getting overpopulated like whitetail deer then the government can cull them, it should not be left up to civilians.
This also is not an argument, but let me clear up some of your misunderstanding and blatant lies. Hunting is not cruel to animals, a bullet to the head or heart is litterally one of the quickest ways to die, way better than the ways factory farms kill animals at any rate. Secondly the government is already bankrupt enough, making culling of animals a government project isn't helping matters.
>>77448356
At least post the original
>>77453360
continuing because it may be bait but fuck you and people need to hear this shit and realize what they are talking about doing to people..
those social agreements are both ingrained into people and expected that they will be enforced on both sides but what few people realize is that they are not mandatory. if you dont want to follow the traffic laws then dont drive on public roads. if you want to live your life how you want there are many places you can do so. those places are remote and removed from society. thats how it works. the day the govt becomes truly oppressive and tyrannical is the day you realize that the strength of a militia is not in the fancy guns or high powered gear its in the inability for the gov to force open warfare. its in the ability for a rebelling faction or small group of insurgents to strike at key points then disperse back into a crowd. the govt might have tanks and ac130 gunships but its people who operate those. people who have to refuel and maintain those. people who are not impervious to gunfire and are aware of it. the govt will not be doing strafing runs through downtown new york city it will be doing foot patrols and if you have any sense of history or any ability to track the activities in iraq afghanistan or any other war torn country those are not magically impervious to gunfire. so my question to you op is this. why do you want to make our elderly and disabled into targets? why do you want to limit the power to the young and the mobs? is it because you are young and feel that you would be part of the mob? is it because you are uncertain how to handle the power and responsibility of your own actions and safety? do you want to be a victim or simply to make others into victims?
>>77453786
One last post, continuing on hunting, it is illegal to hunt endangered animals, the people who are hunting them are not hunters, they are poachers. They aren't going to obey government law.
>>77453535
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with
lol paris
>>77448356
This argument has been dispelled countless times.
You didn't even earn that ten cents, buckaroo
>>77448356
Human lives don't have an objective value by the sole merit of simply being alive. 30,000 human lives annually is literally no price to pay for liberty, especially when you consider that fucking 4,000,000 people are born in this country every year, and this point is further amplified when you consider that the vast majority of those 30,000 are Tyrones and Juans blasting each other in the ghettos.
In conclusion, OP loves big dicks.
Liberal: 'You will never need guns to protect yourself from tyranny, that's paranoid crazy bullshit.
Also Trump is literally the next Hitler and must be stopped at any cost.'
>>77448356
http://thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-Vol-II-PA-Luty.pdf
>>77449146
>>77448805
We have the lowest homicide rates in europe and we have lots of guns
America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a """"culture"""" problem and by that I mean niggers and spics
>>77448805
Boston Bombers, 9/11 hijackers, and OKC bombers killed shitloads of people without guns.
>>77449523
>australia bans guns after a huge murder spree by a single person
>gun crimes statistically drop afterwards
hmmm...
I'm sure it's the ban on guns, and not the fact that they were banned at a peak of gun homicides
>>77448356
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with
AH YES FLAWLESS LOGIC. IT'S NOT LIKE THE MAJORITY OF GUN CRIMES HAPPEN BECAUSE OF ILLEGALLY OWNED FIREARMS OR ANYTHING
American expat
Because America has niggers and Americans still aren't complete cucks like Europe. The only thing I would be willing to consider is banning carry of firearms in public areas and entertainment venues. Guns don't do much to save people outside of residences, but statistics regularly show them playing a major role in home defense.
>>77448356
>nobody would have a gun to attack you
Reminder Brazil has tough gun control
>>77448356
if you made guns illegal the law abiding would hand them over but criminals would not this would leave you with a very well armed criminal population and an unarmed law abideing one crime would go though the roof
>>77448356
for the same reason we have complete free speech (in 2016) and not hate speech- its a civil liberty that will never be infringed upon.
does that answer your question (((you)))?
>>77455624
do chinese know about jews?
>>77453360
>>77453999
good posts; gave me some insight
appreciate it
>>77453300
This basically, you either disappear every gun in the country with space magic and keep them out with the same method or you enforce a minimum armed civilian quota and use government projects to encourage carrying.
The disadvantage to the space magic option is that even if you are capable of enforcing it it essentially makes tyrannical governments far more effective.
>>77448356
>can somebody PLEASE give me a legit reason why guns should still be legal in America in 2016?
Should be legal
However, I believe America should follow Australia's example and introduce some tough gun regulations.
>>77448356
>Horsey
What gun owners fear:
>the government abusing tragedies to take more rights from the people, and give themselves more power. As they've done consistently across the world.
What gun grabbers fear:
>Gun owners buying ammo
No matter how many crazy eyes you draw, that's what you drew, Horsey. A guy buying ammo. It's fucking ludicrous when the biggest argument against your enemies you can think of is not actually showing them doing anything wrong. Fuckhead. Truly he is the leftist Asay.
Just go into porn, Horsey.
>>77448356
>if guns are illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you
Automatic weapons were banned in france at the time of the paris attacks but this didn't stop the muzzies from shooting up the whole place
>>77448356
> if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with
>thread still has nearly 200 replies
/pol/ PLEASE
>>77448356
>weapons won't be useful in case of a foreign invasion
>what is guerilla warfare
>>77455624
Rare?
>>77449523
We have twice the amount of funs than in 1996.
We just don't have niggers. Well we have the machete niggers, not the fire the gat sideways niggers.
>>77448356
>self defense is not a legit reason, if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense
I fucking dare you to live here even a week
You'll want your guns back before thursday
>>77454290
This
>>77448356
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
saged and hidden
They should be legal so keks may ensue
>>77448356
Because logic and consistancy.
Can you give someone else rights you don't have? No? Then govermwnt can't have things you can't have
>>77448356
The first one is a legit reason. if the us government banned all guns and the US government decided we were no longer citizens but rather prisoners, then who would have the guns?
>>77448356
Pasta nigger returns
>>77448356
We have niggers in our country. The reason why Canada and Australia don't have these problems is because, guess what? No niggers!
>>77448356
Our freedoms are not for you to take. But you can feel free to try.
>>77448356
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense
What are criminal organiztaions.
What is blackmarket.
SHALL
Why stop at guns? Why are these anti-gunners endorsing stabbings? Ban the following;
- guns
- knives
- tasers
- pepper sprays
- batons
- knuckle dusters
It worked for us. We banned all forms of self defense weaponry and since then no one has ever been killed, raped, mugged, tortured over drug money, kidnapped by pikeys and literally turned into slaves etc
>tfw the last two actually happened in my home town.
>>77448356
Why do you shill? What made you sink so low?
>>77448805
Paris has gun laws. More than double were killed
>>77460385
NOT
>>77448356
K. Here is one reason.
What you gonna do about it bitch?
>>77450280
A well regulated malitia being nesisarry to the security of a free state(this means an army is nesisarry, and if you need some context the founding fathers did not like standing armies) , (this is a comma) the right of the PEOPLE (so they can then turn and fight the malitia if need be) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
>>77448356
Because niggers, that's why. Any other questions?
>>77448356
It's called guerilla warfare for a reason. And if you outlaw guns here criminals will still get guns and they will be the only ones to have them..... not only that if you make the gun trade illegal in this country you will open a whole new criminal gun trade
/thread
>>77448356
Making guns illegal won't stop people who get guns illegally dumbass.
>>77448356
>if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense
YOU CAN'T BAN THE IRON ROD
>>77449035
Kill yourself, nigger
Lol those pro tips were written by a child.
Is life worth protecting?
Shouldn't people be able to protect themselfs?
Yes or no?
sage all shills
>>77448356
Bah OP you suck.
Honestly, where do they breed people so full of shit?
Can't some knifenigger take care of this mindfucked prick...
United States v. Cruikshank (1876) the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that, "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence" and they limited the applicability of the Second Amendment to the federal government.
>>77448356
You can't change the constitution faggot
>>77449035
You are either a troll a retarded liberal cuck or a twelve year old girl. I can't tell and I don't really care. Sence you refuse to accept that self defense is a basic human right let me ask you a question. Why do the police carry guns? If you say to protect themselves than why am I not allowed the same right? If you say to enforce the law than you are not against gun violence. What endowes them with the right to violence? Guns are used defensively far more often than they are used offensively and with a much lower injury rate. Why is gun violence so special? Country's that have banned guns by in large have not reduced the violent crime or murder rates. In fact many of them saw increased violent crime rates. I feel like this is more about increasing the authority of the state and the removing of individual sovereignty than it is about making people safer. Or are you just a huge faggot who wets himself every time he sees a deadly assault murder gun not in the hands of someone who's not wearing boots for you to lick?
The right to bear arms is NOT granted by the Constitution. The right to self defense is the natural right of every human being. The 2nd amendment doesn't grant that right but specifically spells out that not only is the federal government limited to the enumerated powers, it is specifically prevented from infringing on the right to bear arms.
>>77448356
What part of the right to bear arms don't you understand? Just like how your using the 1st Amendment now, why can't you respect the 2nd? Also why are Democrats trying to remove due process?
>>77467080
>Gun in the hands of someone who's not wearing a pear of statist boots for you to lick.
God damn you auto correct.
>>77448356
>pro tip: self defense is not a legit reason, if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense. also you are far more likely to accidentally kill yourself or a family member with a gun than to use it for self defense. owning a gun is simply not a good idea.
>pro tip: target shooting is not a legit reason, saving 30,000 lives is far more important than rednecks having fun shooting targets
>pro tip: in America guns would not be useful to take down an oppressive government or an invading army at all. please stop with your red dawn fantasies. how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
>pro tip: hunting is not a legit reason. its 2016, nobody needs to hunt for food anymore. Hunting is cruel to the animals who die a painful and frightening death. Also hunting is terrible for endangered sepcies like wolves and grizzly bears. And iif animals are getting overpopulated like whitetail deer then the government can cull them, it should not be left up to civilians.
The premises for your arguments against gun ownership are either flawed or baseless assertions. Glad I could help clear this up for you.
>(((horsey)))
>>77449341
>how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
an AC 130 needs fuel and ammo to function. Do you know who is needed to bring that fuel and ammo to the AC 130? Humans. You know what is really good for stopping those humans from bringing the fuel and ammo to the AC 130? Bullets
It also needs people to perform maintenance on it and to pilot it.
>>77450280
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state
a well regulated militia is needed just in case we might need it to help preserve (muh) freedom(s)
>the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
In order for the people to be in the militia, they should be allowed to own guns
>>77448356
If hunting is so cruel, why did I witness someone chopping out a baby lamb from its dead mother and using it as a hat whilst I was working at an abattoir/slaughterhouse?
>>77468691
it's a shame since sometimes he doesn't completely fuck up
>>77448356
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
>>77448356
>can somebody PLEASE give me a legit reason why guns should still be legal in America in 2016?
why guns should still be legal in America in 1776?
why guns should still be legal in America in 1812?
why guns should still be legal in America in 1860?
why guns should still be legal in America in 1916?
why guns should still be legal in America in 1942?
Why guns should still be legal in America?
because op IS A BITCH! That's why.
>>77448356
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>77467205
It simple really, when they try to take away our 2nd, we take away their 1st. Forever!
>>77448805
We've got a lot of black people here, tho.
>>77448356
Gun free zones harbour criminals that have guns.
Fishies in a barrel.
>>77448356
So, if firearms are outlawed, then the guns in the hands of criminals just dematerialise into vacuum, I take it?
But don't get me wrong, I am in favour of restricting firearms ownership ON THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:
1. That the pseudo-aristocrats, Hollywood celebrities and other tools of the (((International Capitalists))) have the walls to their gated mansions torn down, and their precious refugees allowed to stream in.
2. That the same champagne socialists who selfishly push to take away people's ability to defend themselves have their private security brigades liquidated and the panic rooms of their solid-gold mansions filled in with concrete.
3. That the next time Bathhouse Barry opens his stupid mouth about grabbing guns, that the Secret Service and all his other bodyguards be immediately abolished.
Let them live in their "perfect world", with us, the little people.
>>77468691
(((This)))
>>77448356
>What gun nuts actually fear:
Niggers
>>77448356
>pro tip: self defense is not a legit reason, if guns were illegal nobody would have a gun to attack you with so you would not need a gun for self defense. also you are far more likely to accidentally kill yourself or a family member with a gun than to use it for self defense. owning a gun is simply not a good idea.
That is some naive thinking. Perhaps you should travel to a country that has banned guns.
>pro tip: target shooting is not a legit reason, saving 30,000 lives is far more important than rednecks having fun shooting targets
Gun ownership has lowered crime and saved more lives.
>pro tip: in America guns would not be useful to take down an oppressive government or an invading army at all. please stop with your red dawn fantasies. how is a rifle going to help you when an AC 130 is firing 105mm cannon rounds at you from 8,000 feet in the air?
You clearly don't understand modern warfare or the demographics of the police and military or the consequences of firing upon your own citizens.
pro tip: hunting is not a legit reason. its 2016, nobody needs to hunt for food anymore. Hunting is cruel to the animals who die a painful and frightening death. Also hunting is terrible for endangered sepcies like wolves and grizzly bears. And iif animals are getting overpopulated like whitetail deer then the government can cull them, it should not be left up to civilians.
Hunting is more humane than the meat processing plants that cage animals for years of their lives. It is a crime to hunt endangered species.
Thanks for playing.
*sips tea*
>>77469207
Also the American military tends not to like shooting it's own citizens. And while the AC130 reference is a nice change of pace from the normal drone faggotry the same problem persists with the idea. I put the weapons on both J boats and MQ9's and as much as the bootlickers would like to think we are mindless killing machines at their beckon call the second they decide to go Atifa Hitler and declare open season on the fat dumb Meany gun loving racist Republicans. The truth is that most of us are Republicans and conservative and gun nuts. So why the fuck would we drone strike our own team? The leftists in the service are almost always noners. Almost none of the people who who vote left volunteer to fight or be put in harm's way. I always love the double think that they hate the military, but the second they need a little middle over here to help kill American citizen we'll be Johny on the spot for them. You want jackbootef thugs call BATFE they fucking live to flashbang toddlers and flexicuff kids to radiant heaters.
>>77450280
What is necessary to the security of a free state?
What shall not be infringed?
>>77448356
>no one needs to hunt in 2016
tell that to the farmers WHO GROW OUR FOOD that the animals destroy.
Animals, such as deer and trukey, are begining to become a nusance in wisconsin here, you cannot disagree with this fact because the wisconsin DNR says so. SO: how do we bring down the population of deer, turkey, and coyotes (who pray on cattle)? Thats, right, you shoot them. And if we don't? The crops suffer. period. The government dosent give a shit about your private property (were the deer are) so it is your responsibility to manage population.
>>77449523
Only 13% of guns were even confiscated to begin with, and violent crime went up anyway. So, good job there.
>>77449523
We live right next to fucking Mexico. UK or AUS banning guns is not even comparable. They don't have southern and Central America right next to them. They don't have one of the largest cartels and weapons dealers right next to them.
