Prove me wrong. Since the ban, things have not been perfect, but they have been a HELL of a lot better. Second of all, you cannot have free gun access when Muslims exist.
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>>77438982
>gun deaths
Let's see gun murders. And also total murders.
The issue isn't gun deaths. It is total deaths. When gun deaths go down, stabbings go up.
You are either a moron are trying to purposefully deceive people with your inane argument.
>>77438982
yea tell that to france and honduras, both renowned for gun control but huge levels of violence lately
also an island far away from the next landmass so it doesnt get a fucking say in gun control
>>77438982
Of course gun deaths go down when you take away guns. Choking deaths go down when you take away food.
The real question is, overall murder rate?
There is no such thing as a document that stands the test of time. Things change. Nobody is trying to take your guns, there just need to be common sense regulations. I am for criminal background checks, mental health checks, the requirement to take a six month course and pass an exam.
These are just small ideas, but even more than that can be done. The founding fathers did not know Muslims would be such a problem and they had no idea what an AR-15 was at the time.
>>77438982
number of guns in circulation now exceed that before the gun buyback
the gun death rate was in decline prior to the gun buyback
includes suicides
doesn't examine homicide + suicide rates utilising all means to determine a trend
gtfo
>>77438982
I'm just gonna leave this here.
>>77438982
Then perhaps we stop letting more Muslims into our fucking countries?
>>77439286
>Nobody is trying to take your guns, there just need to be [guns taken]
of course shekelstein! not letting people trade guns with eachother is completely from taking them from people who hold them! totally different!
>>77438982
>Guns deaths
Welcome to /pol/, newfriend.
>>77438982
Same rate of decay m8.
If you drop a rock and then start sucking terrorist cock does the cocksucking makethe rock drop?
>>77438982
Australia doesn't share a border with Mexico
>>77439353
>the gun death rate was in decline prior to the gun buyback
Yes. This is just an example of government doing something to take credit for a trend already occurring.
>>77438982
>>77439286
Come on Leaf, you know full well that those subjective measures for gun ownership will be interpreted to mean the government can deny anyone their guns whenever and for whatever reason they want. You can't trust the government, period.
>>77439286
We've already amended the constitution 17 times since the Bill of Right. Saying that the constitution is outdated is a poor argument given the reality of the situation.
>>77439732
I hope you burgers get some gun control because the majority of the weapons brought to my country are from USA
Correlation= Causation amirite?
Things in the US are also much better than they were in the 90s, yet gun laws did not change.
OP I bet you've never touched a data set or took a statistics course in your life. You probably just shove moose antlers lubricated with maple syrup up your ass all day like every leaf.
>>77440129
they changed plenty ;)
>>77440128
Maybe you should worry more about your government taking citizens guns when they defend themselves from narcos.
Or you could pass more gun control laws because theyre clearly effective
>>77438982
Australia doesnt have any fucking land border you idiot.
Australia removed all the fucking guns from its country, now citizens pretty much cant fucking get them.
AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE THIS LUXURY.
America shares hundreds of miles of land borders with fucking MEXICO and my extension latin america, one of the most violent, lawless places in the world, its a gun smugglers fuckign dream. Banning guns for citizens would do NOTHING as criminals could still EASILY aquire guns.
BUILD
IT.
>>77439286
They fought the greatest military at the time you dumb fuck. The founding fathers would of dealt with these Muslims the same way they dealt with barbers in the 19th century.
>>77440471
How do criminals get guns if no guns are being manufactured? If you reduce supply eventually your average Joe cannot get a gun as easily.
>>77438982
The only statistic that has changed thanks to gun control is the method of suicide. Hanging overtook shooting.
That said we haven't had a double digit mass shooting by an autistic lone weirdo. Which is cool.
But we're also 90% white, so, like heavily armed Serbia and Switzerland, that helps.
>>77439199
All homicides have been on a consistent decline since the late 1960's.
Gun Ban was 1996.
Even the massacre had no effect on the continual downward spiral.
Gun ownership was actually on the decline at time. It has increased again in the last few years.
>>77440129
>America is isanely violent in the late 70's to early 90's
>Right after civil rights reforms
>large increse in black abortions in that period
>crime drops off rapidly after the early 90's when a lot of these abortions would have been turning into 15-20 year old black males
Why do liberals not advertise this more? It's pro choice with a positive social benefit.
>>77438982
Mexico proves it doesn't. Maybe gun control works in countries that don't have alot of violent minorities?
>>77441280
Because the welfare state removes disincentives to have unwanted children and if people knew that unwanted children were responsible for thousands of homicides a years it might turn public opinion against the welfare state.
>>77438982
Notice how the deaths were going down before the gun laws? Retard
>>77438982
There was a downward trend before their guns got taken away, and it continued going down at about the rate it was before. All this does is prove that gun control has literally no effect on gun deaths.
>>77438982
Japan proves anti-immigration works!
>>77438982
correlation =/= causation
there was a downward trend even before the ban retarded leafnigger
>only looking at gun violence and not all violence
That's how you can easily tell that someone is a retard
Proves nothing. The criminal Immigrants are causing shit in Melb and the police cant do shit since they'd be labeled racist. To be fair though Melbourne deserves it.
>>77438982
Also, your image is rubbish for your argument. It shows a steady decrease before and after the gun ban. It appears the gun ban had no real effect. Also gun deaths isn't what really matters, homicides do.
>>77438982
ALMOST ALL OF THE GUN DEATHS BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER WERE SUICIDES
SUICIDES
SUICIDE RATES WENT UP OVERALL AFTER THE GUN BAN
>>77438982
Take our liberals and fuck off.
Fucking syrup niggers, don't you still have a province on fire?!
BAN FIRES
>>77439203
survivng someone trying to stab you to death > surviving someone trying to shoot you to death
bladed weapons are also a cqc weapon, try taking out a room full of people with a knife. Then try to do it with a gun.
You're a moron for preferring to have lots of shooting to lots of stabbings, or arsons, or poisonings.
>>77438982
Their gun deaths went down but their Murder rate stayed the same for 6 years before going down as a result of their work against Rape which was the third highest rate in the world in 2000. When they worked against crime not guns, it plummeted buy nearly 50%. When they worked against guns, not crime, it stayed the same. You do the maths. Nobody thinks gun deaths won't go down if you ban guns, they just realise that Murderers are generally persistent little buggers and if the actual murder rate doesn't go down no lives were saved.
>>77442769
partial gun control =/= gun control, cletus. gun control is making it virtually impossible for a citizen to posess a firearm of any kind, not just the big ones.
Anyway, here's a source for your stats. Your line makes it look like homicide rates have stayed steady when in fact the rates have effectively halved in the past two decades: http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/vicViolentRate.html
>>77438982
It was already a downward trend. The US has collapsing violent crime rates all over and gun ownerships at an all time high. Increasing rates of prosperity plus technology, mainly hotspot policing and forensics, make crimes harder to get away with in general.
>>77438982
USA's graph looks the same, you faggot retard
>>77438982
Wow the fucking trend that is clearly visible before the ban continued afterwards! You stupid fuck!
>>77443036
>Gun control caused homicide to decrease
Where are your scatter plots, my Aussie friend?
>>77439353
Number of people also exceed that before the gun buyback.
Google "per capita"
>>77439813
Hate to burst your deluded little bubble but Switzerland has the highest death by firearm rate in Europe,
>>77443500
>>77443500
That assaults graph is great. It's like niggers go into regular scheduled hibernation in America.
>>77443727
>Gun deaths
Aussie education, everyone.
>>77443500
>use of knives to commit homicide has increased slightly
>use of firearms has decreased sharply
what's your point? We aren't talking about assaults either. Are you expanding the debate from just gun deaths to all deaths to all violent crime now?
>>77442769
Why is the USA such a shithole? Who in their right mind would choose to live there?
>>77443727
To be fair it's been widely discussed and firearm death rate is irrelevant even if your statistics are true, what matters are people's lives and that means what matters is homicide rate. That said Switzerland does not have the lowest homicide rate either, but it does have a low homicide rate so there's that.
>>77440948
All crime in the U.S. has also been in a consistent decline.
>>77438982
Good. The Australian gun ban seems to have been such an enormous success that violent crime was reduced even in Amerca.
Or, you know, maybe there is actually no correlation and violent crime has gone down in most of the western world since the early 90s, regardless of gun laws.
>>77443846
See the citations in pic >>77439566
Multiple studies found no link between Australian gun laws and the continued decline in homicide meanwhile we do see an observable replacement effect between gun homicide and knife homicide.
>>77438982
Give back guns.
We get a murder charge for defending our houses by force.
GIVE
GUNS
BACK
>>77438982
Australia is surrounded by water.
US has a continent of third world countries full of cartels below them who would sell guns if they were illegal in US.
>>77443846
>>77438982
Gee a pre exists trend continued at the same rate before and after. Actually proves the law changed nothing
>>77440761
It's called illegal importation, whether its parts or whole guns. Do you really think border security and customs have the time/resources to search every shipping container's contents for every cargo ship that docks in Australia?
Also did you really think that ALL the guns were handed back? You'd be very naive to think so.
>>77442811
Well these Chinks managed to go on a knife spree.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Anne_Kindergarten_stabbing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing
>>77438982
>gun deaths
Why not violent deaths?
>they wont notice if we include suicide on one side and remove it on the other to increase the delta
What are the chances that Trump drops the redpill during a debate that is the fact that the non-Hispanic white homicide murder rate in the US is on par with Europe and Australia
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/there-has-been-a-spate-of-shootings-in-victoria-this-week/news-story/a49112d323e34c6e7aaba21231c62c69
Australia is more violent now than it was 20 years ago. This if fact.
>but it could be worse
Irrelevant. The fact is, having Soviet-style gun laws did not make Australia a safer country.
>Second of all, you cannot have free gun access when Muslims exist.
This is kind of true, although the biggest problem the US has is gun-free zones. Such places are extremely irresponsible and people should avoid attending such venues.
>>77438982
I'm australian and live in a high crime area
Gun control does not work I have personally being the subject of gun violence
Shouldn't NZ be having tons of mass shootings since they have a bit looser laws compared to AUS? Oh wait they don't, interesting.
>>77444097
The real reason is, I have a right to own and bear fire arms. I like having this right. I do not want it taken away and none of these faggot ever will no matter how many crazy people use guns. The vast majority of Americans are law-abiding gun owners. And even if they weren't, our right still stands and they need to fuck off. Just because a few crazy people shoot up a few locations does not mean you get to strip MILLIONS of people of their rights. Passing gun control laws like this might very likely result in a revolution.
>>77444361
REROLL
>>77438982
Australia doesn't have an insecure border, everything comes through ports. Weapons still get through, but not as many as the US would receive through Mexico.
>>77443727
So you like getting stabbed, I take it?
You shouldn't be worried about "gun deaths" but about all deaths resulting from homicide. And the Swiss have a really low homicide rate.
>>77440761
Yeah because a person who intends to use a firearm to commit criminal activities is your "average joe". And another thing shit Leaf, theres hundreds of millions of firearms in circulation. Theres no stopping the ride
>>77440948
>Even the massacre had no effect on the continual downward spiral.
Proof or just your recollection?
>>77444158
Don't forget that terminator cunt who killed 20+ people with an axe
>His first murder spree occurred near Mahagi, Belgian Congo in 1954, where he killed 21 people with an axe, before escaping and finally ending up in British Tanganyika Territory.[1]
>Apparently because of social misunderstandings with his boss,[2] Unek went on a second rampage which began in the early hours of February 11, 1957. Armed with a stolen police rifle, 50 rounds of ammunition, and an axe, he started killing people in the area of Malampaka, a village about 40 miles southeast of Mwanza.
>Within twelve hours, Unek shot dead ten men, eight women, and eight children, murdered five more men with the axe, stabbed another one, burned two women and a child, and strangled a 15-year-old girl, thus killing a total of 36 people.[3][4][5] He then changed out of his police uniform into clothes stolen from one of his victims and fled. Among the dead was reportedly his own wife, whom he killed in their hut before setting it on fire,[6] as well as the wife of a police sergeant.[7]
You can't ban rambo fucks like this piling up bodies because their boss pissed them off
>>77438982
That graph shows nothing
Sure the gun deaths are going down, but it was doing that even before the law was passed. It does nothing to prove your point
>>77438982
because we don't have guns australia has become a living hell.
So we have begun exterminating those that hold liberal views.
>>77438982
Criminals aren't allowed to have guns.. that's why no one in Australia does.
>>77438982
>australians dont have as many murders per capita because there are less guns!
ignores the fact that per gun owner, there are more gun related murders than in the U.S. despite having less guns.
sage thread m8
>>77443846
lets say you banned guns.
the gun deaths will go down.
but people will find a loophole...
knife deaths go up.
lets say you banned knives.
baseball bat deaths go up.
lets say you banned baseball bats...
hammer deaths go up.
see where this is heading?
>>77443846
>assaults
opinion disregarded
>>77444951
My theory, that you should be attacking, is that when people start killing each other with knives instead of guns, less people die, because it's harder to kill multiple people with knives, because close quarters combat is a built in deterrent to a perpertrator of violent crime, and because it's easier to survive knife wounds than gun wounds.
>>77444763
Or this guy who was apparently possesed by a crusader from the 14th century
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_school_massacre
>Seifert had crafted all of his weapons about two months prior to the attack. The lance was made from a broomstick and a triangular scraper, while he used a pump bracket to create the mace. His flamethrower was made from an insecticide sprayer with a wire netting attached to the nozzle, and filled with a mixture of old motor oil and paint thinner.[15]
>>77444763
That too. I mainly only picked the sprees with higher casualties to illustrate a point about >>77442811 trying to kill a room full of people with a knife compared to a gun. It can still happen. Might take slightly longer but it can still happen.
You can still get larger sized knives. Any camping store, cosplay convention, flea market. Just need to prove you're 18+
>>77438982
If you take away all the nigger statistics the US has the least ammount of gun crime in any developed nation, and niggers dont buy guns they steal them.
Dont ban guns, ban niggers
>>77438982
Yeah but look a the violent crime rates since the gun laws were imposed.
Hint: they have gone up.
>>77445141
>and because it's easier to survive knife wounds than gun wounds.
This is total bullshit and you should feel bad, you're more likely to die from knife wounds in an emergency ward than gunshot wounds.
>>77445141
>i have never used, held, or understood a gun in my entire life
a gun doesent make you into some invincible superhuman. its merely a means to an end.
a trained knife user can kill an untrained gun user if within 10 meters or so
>>77445314
>You can still get larger sized knives.
You can buy them on ebay or online, I collect knives and bladed weapons. They're easy to get and there's a problem now with fucking african cunts walking around with machetes and samurai swords.
>>77438982
Please kill yourself. Even if gun control saved lives (it doesn't), it still wouldn't be worth surrendering them.
>>77445457
And I can't even defend myself with a weapon to level the playing field.
>>77438982
We aren't a country with the size and target that the US has, stop using us as an argument
>>77438982
We need common sense gun control.
>pic related
Go on. I'm waiting for you autists to debate these facts.
>>77446077
The US isn't anything special. Just because they're 10 times bigger than us doesn't mean a complete national civilian gun ban wouldn't reduce their gun deaths.
>>77446125
Only thing to debate is that I don't like the specific focus on women there. Men are killed far more often by firearms than women.
>>77439813
Hondurans can buy guns just not many people do that its a poor country if im not mistaken they are very expensive
Same slope. Whatever they did, it was an arithmetic adjustment. Didn't really do much, it was already going down.
>>77438982
It was already trending down
>>77446238
>women don't matter
Say that to your mom.
>>77438982
SHILL THREAD!
SAGE AND REPORT!
A FUCKING LEAF SPOTTED BY JAN CHRISTIAAN SMUTS!
>>77446125
2/10 almost got me
>>77446302
>>77438982
Of course it fucking works. If you gave every cunt a gun there would be dead abo's littering the streets.
>>77446334
Women don't matter as women when dealing with statistics no. They're just people.
My mother would agree. She's firmly in the
"third wave feminism is a cancer." camp.
>>77438982
The situation in Australia doesn't apply to the USA, we don't have a constitutional right to form armed militia's and we don't have an ultra powerful group of Lucifer worshippers ready to drop us on a terrorist watch list if we register our firearms.
>>77446520
Dont be daft, Australians are cowards and only made guns illegal because they were flooded with Maoris and are scared of them.
>>77446850
Nah we just figured they're useless toys after the emus just shrugged them off.
>>77438982
>>77446830
The 2nd amendment can be repealed or overridden by a subsequent amendment.
>>77447121
>1 post by this ID
Get the fuck out slider faggot.
>>77447295
Even if you somehow got 2/3 of the states to ratify you would have the dissenting states refuse to allow enforcement possibly even to the point of secession.
>>77438982
Weird.
We had the same drop and we doubled the number of guns and made it easier to carry them legally.
>>77442101
>really makes you think
>>77446520
When did they get people status again? My family used to hunt them apparently back when it was legal
Explain the Sydney Siege then.
>>77443594
cool, except that graph isn't per capita and shows a decline that doesn't match the reduction and subsequent growth in firearms in circulation. You stupid fuck.
>>77443784
>america
typical achmed can't read english. it says Australia in the top left
>>77438982
It had been going down for decades
>>77438982
>Strict gun control
>Managed to cut deaths only 3x
Pathetic
>>77443826
Maybe it's because mexicans immigrating to US?
>>77440948
US has also been in a consistent decline and in fact they have declined in murder rate throughout the same period by a greater percent. I fucking hate my country and the spineless faggots who jack off to the restriction of the freedoms that got us to where we are in the first place.
>>77448539
He used a 50 year old french shotgun which was imported before the laws.
SHALL
>>77438982
I rather ban Islam, than guns.
>>77439072
>SHALL
BE INFRINGED
