Trump will take away your guns.
Why isn't that already a thing?
>>77366369
This is reasonable.
I know this is bait, but this really is not a good sign.
Keep in mind, anyone can be on the "no fly list" for any reason. It would be very easy to put pro-gun activists on the list and then use that to take their guns away.
>>77366555
>Having rights taken away just by being put on a list
>Not after being judged by a jury of your peers
>Reasonable
>>77366433
no because there is no due process involved and little to no recourse, so it's somewhat controversial.
guess im a #cruzlim now
Please expand the no fly list to all minorities. Make airports more enjoyable
>you faggots called me crazy when I called him Hitler before now
Not so crazy now am I?
>>77366433
>Why is putting someone on a list not enough to take away their constitutional rights with out a court not a thing?
Hmm really makes you think ;^)
>>77366682
At least you'll know you're on a terror watch list then and you can get shit sorted out. I'd much rather know about it then let them investigate me from a distance and make their own conclusions
>>77366740
There's a difference between being crazy and retarded.
>>77366784
What kind of fucking logic is that?
>>77366567
It wouldn't take their guns away it would keep them from buying more guns
Anyway what if the agreement he makes is that they will have to use due process for the no fly list? That seems like a win to me.
>>77366369
Would you give a schizophrenic person a gun? No, and therefore not an Islamic militant either, because they're the same classification.
>>77366740
germans were allowed to purchase guns you fucking reddit normie
>>77366369
All this means is Trump is going to ask them what they think. They will tell him it's unconstitutional because there is no due process, and he will agree. Simple.
>>77366687
>no due process involved
>somewhat controversial
that's a big fucking deal to be denied rights for some minority report shit
>>77366682
If you are considered too dangerous to fly a plane then you shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. Why do you even care? Are you on the no fly list?
>>77366784
>At least you'll know you're on a terror watch list
People tend not to find out until they try to buy a gun or fly.
>and you can get shit sorted out
People don't come off those lists. Don't fool yourself into thinking you'd succeed.
>>77366369
Better than not talking to them and taking them away anyway. If you're trying to fix a problem without infringing on rights, talk to people and compromise.
>>77366740
We don't even know what Trump's objective with this is. It could just be a media ploy. He could be negotiating with the NRA for some sort of thing everyone can live with. Or the NRA could just take a hard line and shut him down by threatening to withdraw their endorsement if he proceeds, which would hurt him, so he'd probably back down.
Stop jumping to conclusions.
>>77366687
NEWFAGS GET OUTTTTTTTTTT
it happened
wow......... really makes u think.............
I now #standwithrand
>>77366433
Because the list is flawed.
The NRA will likely recommend reformations to the process
>>77366369
You just admitted you were on a terrorist watch list and the no-fly list.
>>77367180
Because it often flags people as a false-positive, and the reasons for being on the list ate never disclosed. It also tends to flag everyone with a similar name, and you can be put on for the most arbitrary of reasons without due process or anything.
>>77367340
Where's the alt-right version?
>>77366369
No he wont he will take away guns from people who are known terrorists and their supporters. STFU Germany and go suck some more Muslim cocks with Merklel. Also one post by this ID so obvious shill sage and hide.
>>77367180
He might be. The thing is, you don't fucking know if you are until you go try and buy a ticket or maybe even board a plane. You also don't know if you're on a terrorist watch list, and there is no due process for either. Plus, the requirements for being placed on those are unknown, and there have been tons of verified cases of mistaken identities and such... not to mention that DHS has been making noise about white Christians being just as dangerous as Muslims... they'll probably start putting everyone who listens to Alex Jones or goes on /pol/ on some sort of watch list.
Congrats on the baby steps towards disallowing your retarded populace to constantly cull itself.
>>77366369
>>77366682
You are a faggot.
>>77366433
Because most rightwingers are actually terrorist sympathizers. Just look at how many people have supported the Orlando shooter in recent days. Unfortunately, these people vote and the GOP will bend over backwards to secure their vote. They won't be able to for long, however.
>>77366369
Next thing you know, visiting 4chan will get you on the no fly list.
>>77366567
My uncle was on the no fly list because our Italian last name sounds Arabic. Hell, it probably is considering Italy's history. I don't know if anyone else got banned. I don't really fly anymore because it totally sucks since 9-11
Maybe that's just baiting the democrats into thinking he's like them, I'm pretty sure the NRA will say no to that suggestion anyways.
>>77368094
Fucking kill yourself you uneducated liberal coward.
>>77366433
because its literally illegal. some cunt at the tsa putting you on a list because you got mouthy after they tore open your luggage, stop your ipad, and tugged on your dick doesnt mean you should automatically lose your constitutional protections. It's the exact same logic/rhetoric as 'LOL LETS DENY MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE THEIR RIGHTS'. It's super easy to abuse, there is no oversight, and it's extremely costly/difficult/time consuming to correct if its done in error out of malice by a petty bureaucrat.
It's saying "HEY, LETS ADD A BACK DOOR/LOOP HOLE TO THE CONSITUTION, WHAT COULD GO WRONG?".
What we should be talking about is how come our politically correct cuckholded fbi agents and friends couldnt make a move/profile/handle some arab extremist going around telling people they were going to kill people. Someone needs to explain to me why agents of the state should fear being called racist or islamophobic over doing their fucking job.
The state already had all the power it needed to stop this mother fucker, but it failed to do so specifically because of political correctness. Giving these cunts more power wont solve the fundamental issue.
>>77367180
>If you are considered too dangerous to fly a plane then you shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
>be me
>have common name
>get on no fly list for sharing same name
>lol no more rights for me
REASONABLE?
>>77366369
Great job, Trumptards.
Great job.
>>77367180
This isn't only a no fly list. He's talking about watchlists in general, which I'm pretty sure most of us are on.
Luckily, this kind of thing can only be passed by congress, and not by executive order, so it's a non-issue.
>>77366369
>Trump will take away your guns by having a conversation instead of knee-jerk reactions
Yep. Come the fuck on. Leftists say "Ban guns now", Trump says "Going to have a meeting" and they're the same thing? Fuck off.
>>77366938
That's a valid quote, retard. Why do you imply it's a bad thing just because Hitler said it?
>>77368297
>>77368390
>>77280823
>>77112757
>>77006787
The alt-right sympathize with terrorists and are not compatible with American values. We will take away your right to bear arms and nobody is going to feel sorry for you.
Even Trump is on our side now. Sorry faggots. :/
>>77366784
There is no way to get it sorted out, you dumb cunt.
There is no appeal process. There is zero oversight, zero due process, and zero accountability.
We really need to do something about the liberal problem in this country.
fuck off shills. He never said that he supported it.
>>77366682
>Judges appointed by politicians
>for life
>he thinks our judicial system is fair
>hey i'm going to discuss a gun control issue with the most pro-gun organization in the country
>this is somehow cause for alarm
/pol/ sometimes you disappoint me
>>77368751
>Going to have a meeting
If you don't recognize this as clear pandering to the antigun left, you need to pull your head out of Trump's ass. Now, it's not likely that anything will come of it, but it's the move of a politician and not an ideologue. Not that anyone should be having any illusions about the flexibility of Trump's beliefs at this point.
>>77366369
>pro-choice
>pro-trans
>anti-2nd amendment
Why are voting for him again?
>>77368949
Funny how Trump does a lot more pandering to the left than Hillary does to the right.
>>77368836
>damage
>c
>o
>n
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>r
>o
>l
>>77366369
So he wants to tighten gun control? Or am I getting this Tweet wrong?
>>77368824
Come try it liberal pussy I have plenty of lead for you. I'm not even a conservative.
>>77368824
>we
Good luck, faggot.
>>77366433
Because Ted Kennedy was on the fucking no fly list
>>77366369
I gotta be honest, I've REALLY liked Trump as a candidate and found him to be incredibly strong on guns, but this worries me.
I hope it's because he hasn't thought through how easy it would be to corrupt the people that create the list to include anyone with non-mainstream views as a "terrorist".
>>77368768
Socialism is a NEET ideology.
Only welfare leeches and kids living off their parents support it.
>>77366784
>>77366555
>>77366433
>>77367163
Clearly not the better paid shills
>>77368038
>>77368997
>supports building a wall/decreasing immigration from mexico
>muslim ban
>opposes free trade and other globalist economic policies
>way more pro-2a than hillary
>less military intervention/nation-building
is that not enough?
>>77366555
Only superficially.
What happens when the government begins putting political enemies on these lists?
And that's the whole point of the 2nd Amendment: keeping the government too afraid of becoming a tyranny because they fear unrest and for their own safety.
>>77369220
MFW he takes guns away from blacks and Muslims which makes america peaceful and great again.
>>77366555
SHALL
>>77369064
Enjoy your drone strike, terrorist.
>>77369061
Every once in a while Trump forgets that he's supposed to be pretending to be a conservative, not that his cult particularly cares.
>>77369258
>opposes free trade
People who oppose free trade are as economically literate as socialists.
>>77369254
they're not the shills
the shills are the ones with responses like
>w-wait... he's a gun grabber??? not gonna vote for him anymore
they're here to sow dissension
>>77366369
If you put aside his *current* rhetoric, everything Trump is doing and will be doing is predictable.
He's voiced very liberal plans and positions. That's why conservatives don't trust him.
>>77369352
Good luck you commie faggot.
>>77369265
>keeping the government too afraid of becoming a tyranny because they fear unrest and for their own safety.
Unfortunately this stopped a long time ago, with Jefferson's words about trees and blood completely ignored or dismissed as radical and outdated.
>>77369265
You're behind the times.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/17/watchlist.chertoff/index.html?eref=rss_us
>>77369370
how so? wages have been stagnant for decades now because our politicians are content to enable outsourcing
>>77369061
I figured it just meant that they're meeting to come up with a response to Hillary's plan to ban guns from everybody that's put on a watchlist. The NRA would never agree with Hillary's plan so there's no way Trump would propose something similar.
Ultimately it's just a vague tweet and people can get whatever they want out of it. If you hate Trump you're going to see it as him trying to ban Guns, or maybe you want him him to try and ban guns so you can give your friends the elbow and say SEE I TOLD YOU SO.
>>77369220
>I reeeeealy like trump
>but this worries me
Shill of Doubt - Level 1 detected.
TrumpAnon uses REEEEE
It's super effective
>Shill of a Doubt loses 0.02c from their Paypal account.
>Shill of Doubt uses FLEE
>Shill of Doubt returns to Reedit.
>TrumpAnon gains 0 exp because he doesn't give a fuck.
>>77366938
Spock confirmed for space hitler
>>77369427
conservatives are retards.
liberals win by pretending they are centered, then shove leftist ideology down our throats. If conservatives have 1/2 a brain, they would understand you cant win by going full red pill. You need to sway to the center then put in the right laws and policies
>>77369572
And the price of goods has gone down accordingly, so real wages have effectively increased. Looking only at wages as a measure of the desirability of a given economic policy is hilariously ignorant.
>>77367163
It will probably be more complicated than that. We do have common sense gun control, mandated by the NRA themselves because some laws actually do keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Just not the laws the gun-control advocates want.
Trump is consulting them about similar regulations on terrorists, like revoking their licenses to purchase and operate mil-spec weapons using their security credentials, like the Orlando shooter did. Unlike gun bans, the regulations will actually work, because they will be based on reality instead of liberal fantasies of making all the guns disappear forever.
>>77367180
because there is no DUE PROCESS
>>77366369
People act like the gun show loophole isn't a thing. Trust me, it's real.
Hopefully, with this being a meeting, they say 'no mr future president, that's a terrible idea' and he drops it. Otherwise, I don't even know
>>77369460
"Commie" doesn't hurt my feelings. I'm a business owner. I write off more income the you make.
But at the end of the day, it's the man YOU are going to vote for, not the communist boogieman, who's going to take your guns.
>>77369698
I'm not a shill m8, if he comes out of the meeting against the government watchlist then I'll be ecstatic.
>>77369889
Doesn't Uganda (a Christian nation) also execute their gays?
>>77369753
> You need to sway to the center then put in the right laws and policies
The problem with that is that Trump spent his whole life being left of center. He didn't do that to secure the GOP nomination, right? It's just who he is. so don't expect the right laws and policies from him.
> If conservatives have 1/2 a brain, they would understand you cant win by going full red pill.
This time you can because Clinton is one of the weakest candidates ever. Only Trump has higher negatives.
>>77366369
If those lists where reasonably made and people weren't put on them for visiting 4chan and being coworkers with some guy named Saeed, I'd be quite ok with that.
Maybe DHS could actually do its job and make a "no guns list" that you would be put on and have the ability to show up in court to defend yourself.
I don't know I'm just spitballing ideas here
>>77366433
Because it's unconstitutional.
Hope it's a fake tweet which I assume it is.
>>77369820
The price of what goods has gone down? In raw purchasing power, the average person is absolutely fucked compared to a few decades ago.
>>77366433
Because it would mean that the government could theoretically just put 310,000,000 people on a no gun buy list.
If it's legal to do it with the no fly list, there's no reason they can't just make a new list that's a no buy, and put whoever they want on it.
The PURPOSE of the second amendment is that they can't fucking do this.
>Based Donald will flush memestution down the toilet and make USA great again
>But I must protect rights of Muslims and niggers!
Get fucked ;^)
>>77367811
What a coherent response you statist boot licker
>>77370761
I suppose it depends how you want to interpret "A well regulated Militia"
I wouldnt want crazy jack offs in a militia thats suppose to protect the public from a shitty gov
>>77370535
I dont agree. The media attacked trump from day one because they felt he had the best chance to win, and they feared him.
But, they always demonize the right, dont you remember how they demonized romney? or palin? or W? they were all called nazis, and racist and evil. Thats where the media always goes to.
>>77371160
W's administration was a disaster though. Personally he seemed like an ok enough guy but holy shit Cheney was a fucking snake
>>77370704
You can thank the fed's printing press for that. The cost of most goods has gone down through lower costs of business and technological innovations, but inflation has served to rob people of those benefits for the sake of gibsmedats.
>>77367180
Because it is plainly obvious how it could be abused.
It is real. I will stop supporting him because of this.
>>77371389
100% agree.
But when it comes down to it, the media personally attacks anyone center right and gives free passes to liberal politicians.
>>77368614
Why are you brown tho
>>77371160
>trump supporters actually believe this
The media fawned over Trump because they knew he was the only person Hillary could beat and the mouth breathing right followed along like the good little retards they are.
>>77366433
> why isnt that already a thing?
Your average inbred everyone
>>77371073
No it doesn't. The is one definition that was used by the writer. "Militia" means all the country's men and "well regulated" means it has what it needs to function.
>>77366369
only ahmeds guns. white people dont end up on no fly list and despite obamas attempt to have the tea party listed as a terrorist faction it wasnt allowed
>>77372015
wow, you're pretty delusional. ahhh soory I forgot we were being raided.
Sorry faggot, you have to go back
>>77370547
The thing is that Mateen was licensed security guard for a company that is contracted by the department homeland security. He had the correct paperwork.
Perhaps a mandatory psych and physical evaluation before one is licensed to carry a weapon.
It's technically within the spirit of the of the letter of the law- "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Well regulated. As in no crazy, self hating gay muslims.
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
IT WAS SAID YOU WOULD DESTROY THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM
BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE, NOT LEAD IT TO DARKNESS
https://youtu.be/QiZNSzWIaLo
>>77372015
> they feared him
Theres that line again, idk if you all say that because you think its true or just parroting your favorite politician. It used to get thrown around alot with sarah palin years ago. We dont attack him necause we fear him, we attack him because hes a fucking joke, hes basically the male version of sarah palin only he had a multi millionaire daddy growing up.
>>77366369
good thing im a law abiding US citizen who's not on the terrorist watch list or the no fly list! guess he wont be taking mine
>>77369402
This. Divide and conquer is the classic shill tactic.
Trump is well-intentioned, but misinformed on this issue. The NRA will set him straight.
>>77369258
>kill their families
>already censorshipping your press (lawsuits, removed credentials)
>will claim bias of any minority guy that goes against him
>>77369698
>express your doubts
>"REEEE SHILL STOP DESTROYING OUR MORALE AND LET IT HAPPEN"
self regulation is important
>>77371879
>>77372065
>not shit posting lecruzmissile meme
you had one job
I dont think Faruqe the Syrian refugee or some sperg like Chrischan is what a militia needs to function
Back in the day people gave a shit and were for the most part responsible. Seems like we lost something along they way and have a lot more people unfit for living in society now
>>77372454
Thats the crux. Classes, evaluations, background checks, this shit is going to cost money and time. We need to find a way to make these things reliable and cost effective at the same time
>>77372596
My post didn't contain the word fear.
Another illiterate Trumptard showing us how fucking retarded they are.
Useful idiots, one and all.
>>77372596
why do you respond to shillaribots? And why do you by into that "lets divide and conquer conservatives" tactic?
>>77368614
>they just use first and last name, not SS#/passport/green card
You Canucks are so fucking stupid.
>>77369061
You are a terrorist or on the no fly list?
>>77372890
Meant to comment the guy you were talking to and if u understood wat I wrote its against trump you fucking faggot
>>77366369
>Trump will take away potential terrorists' guns
ftfy Hans
>>77367180
you stupid fucking kraut fuck.
FOR ONE....you can get put on the no-fly list for getting drunk and being a jackass on a plane.
Secondly...It isnt to FLY a plane dumbfuck..its to fly ON a plane.
Germans so cucked its unreal. Enjoy eating kebab and bringing a prayer mat with you everywhere. You could have stopped it if you had guns.
>>77366369
nah, just yours Omar
>>77367180
There have been 5 year olds that have been mistakenly placed upon the 'no fly list'. The parents didn't know anything about it until they tried to board the plane at the airport.
The requirements are so vague that virtually anyone could be placed upon it for any reason whatsoever. And while I don't personally think Trump would use it to prevent law-abiding citizens from purchasing firearms, he would set a precedent for future Democratic leaders who definitely would.
>>77366369
YES!
Why restrict the rights of americans, because jews drag it's enemies to it's shores? Just don't sell those fuckers weapons.
Simple
Then there is the black marked.....
He'll halt all import of shits anyways though.
>>77366369
>1 POST BY THIS ID
AND YOU FUCKERS STILL REPLY TO IT
Just Muslims.
>>77366369
REDNECKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
NRA will redpill Trump on how bad the no fly list is and he will withdraw the suggestion. Nothing to worry about.
>>77372454
>Well regulated. As in no crazy, self hating gay muslims.
Well regulated as in correctly functioning. Evidently gays can function in combat situations as evidenced by the military, and crazy muslims can also function pretty well given ISIS, so this guy would be ok too.
>>77370418
Yep, that last part on that pic really shits the bed.
>>77373578
newfag detected
>>77372454
The people have a right because the militia is necessary. That right cannot be infringed for any reason, regardless of that person's fitness or willingness to be in a militia.
Why is simple English so difficult for cucks to understand?
>>77366369
I understand the terror watch list, but the no fly list is somewhat stupid since you can just end up on the list for pissing someone off and its hard to get off of it.
>>77368094
>Just look at how many people have supported the Orlando shooter in recent days.
>>77375479
Yes, particularly on /pol/.
This one was just posted a few minutes ago.
>>77374433
>>77375307
It doesn't matter what you call the list.
It WILL be used to bully law-abiding citizens.
Maybe not by the Trump administration, but it's guaranteed to happen if cucks regain power.
>>77366369
What part of "shall not be infringed" does Trump not understand?
>>77375805
Oh I know it will be abused it just needs to have clear ways of getting on and off of it.
>>77366369
>tfw NSA puts you on the list for listening to Saleel al sawarim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQoJvI8XUa0
>>77368260
Ted Kennedy and several congressmen were on the no fly list. It's a fucking joke.
Anyone who supports this shit is treasonous scum.
>>77375897
what part of "repeal the 2nd amendment" do you not understand?
>>77366555
Cuck off.
>>77366369
I'd be ok with this ONLY if the terrorist watch list and no-fly list are completely reformed
>>77375897
>What part of "shall not be infringed" does Trump not understand?
What part of magic piece of paper do you not understand?
>>77366369
>terrorists tries to buy AR-15
>man, you're on the terrorist watch list
>oh shit i have to execute my plan asap
>paco will you sell one of your 5 guns for 2x profit
>fo shizzle
nt, guntards, nt
>>77375805
>Law abiding citizen
>On terrorist watchlist
>>77367525
its a limited edition, you basically have to know somebody
Trump is going to come out of the NRA with a different idea.
It will be a terrorist watch list idea, but only people who are expected due to affiliation with an actual terrorist or recruiter.
Just using the no fly list is retarded as you can get put on it for anything.
>>77376306
>trusting the government not abuse its powers
Typical Scandinavian.
Whatever happened to shall not be infringed?
Is /pol/ flip-flopping?
>>77376662
>Whatever happened to shall not be infringed?
/pol/ is fascist now ever since Trump.
>>77366740
BTFO
>>77376780
/pol/ has been fascist long before that.
Stephen Hayes from the Weekly Standard was on the FBI watch list just because he flew to Turkey. So if this law were already in effect and Stephen where to go to a gun shop and ask to purchase a weapon, he would come up flagged by the FBI. It may look reasonable that people on watch lists shouldn't have access to a gun, but you have to realize that innocent people are on the list and as far as I am aware, we still live in a country of due process and 'innocent until proven guilty.'
>77368614
>be me
>have common name
>get on no fly list for sharing same name
>lol no more rights for me
yeah muhammad is a very common name
>>77368614
Why do I live in the some country with retards like you
Most of us here are probably on some kind of list.
>>77377331
>2016
>being named muhammad
ishygddt
>>77366369
>on terrorist watch list
>on no fly list
So like all of /pol/ lol no wonder you guys are so pissed
>>77372454
He passed both a psych and physical eval when hired by a government contractor. Literally zero ideas that have been floated since this happened would have stopped it except for
A) Ban all assault weapons
B) Ban the Muslim religion from the US
If we are going to start fucking with the Constitution, Freedom of Religion really should be the first to go along with all Amendments after the 10th
>>77366369
>not allowing to buy
>not taking away guns you already own
As long as there is a way to appeal your no fly list status I'm okay with this.
>>77381215
On top of not confiscating guns previously purchased.
>>77370597
It's real: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743078235408195584
>>77366369
>He doesn't actually say he's for it
>He just says it's the topic of discussion
>>77381215
Never compromise.
>>77373000
nah
its just funny because I just saw someones tweet complaining about how Trump doesn't talk about gun control after this incident, and instead about walls, deportations etc. An idiot, but its a funny coincidence that he posted this just now
>>77385214
See >>77383119 then fuck off and die, shill
IGNORE THE SHILLS
MEME THE GOD EMPEROR
>>77384980
>>77384980
>>77384980
>>77366433
>Why isn't that already a thing?
Because the "No fly List" is shit, just absolute shit.
That's what the discussion -should- be about, this secret due-process-less list.
This is probably not a good thing that Trump is entertaining the idea. I suspect that he will back away from the trial balloon.
Unless this is some kind of ruse to illustrate the uselessness (and future abuse) of terrorist watch lists, this is not a positive development. It frankly plays into the criticism that Trump is mercurial.
No shill here: I'm still 100% centipede.
