Hello /pol/ which philosophy books to read?
Also general philosophy discussion thread
>>77338851
bump
You need only read this philosophy book to become truly enlightened.
>>77338851
Kierkegaard + any rand= truth
Put the puzzle pieces together anon
Pol doesn't read.
We watch youtube videos about Hitler being a swell guy and shitpost anime.
>>77338916
Sure you read it in the english version, you stupid anglo.
>>77338851
Aristotle, Locke and Kant.
Politica, Second Treatise, Metaphysics.
Absolutely and I mean absolutely disregard all other philosophers, they are reddit-tier shit and will only cloud the truth.
>>77338851
Everlasting Man
/thread
>>77338969
>t. Worst country at foreign languages in the whole of Europe
>>77338924
Disregard this fool OP.
>>77338981
The I read 3 philosophers so only they are right poster
>>77338924
>Kierkegaard
Top fucking Kek. Truth is you don't need any faith to live with the absurd, instead you need to revolt and live the absurd.
>>77338981
>Locke
*tips fedora*
>>77338924
That's what I'm trying to do, though I thought it might be interesting to see what the polacks would recommend
>>77338944
>/pol/ is one person
>>77338981
That's why I've been careful about reading philosophy
>>77338981
>Kant
Mainstream meme-philosopher
>Locke
Influenced most of the cuck philosophers who came after him
>Aristotle
Based
>>77339084
This guy thinks everything is absurd then says their is one way to live. Top Kek
>>77339084
>>77338981
>Absolutely and I mean absolutely disregard all other philosophers
You seem very secure in your opinions. Also
>Locke
nvrmind this is bait right?
>>77339176
>>77339134
Why not Locke?
>>77339146
You didn't even get the context, buddy.
Most philosophers have something right depending on the scope of your vision desu
Aurelius, Kant, Hegel, Machiavelli, Camus, Moore, Engels, Socrates, Marx, Hobbes.
>Heraclitus
>Parminedes
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Plotinus
>St. Augustine
>St. Anselm
>St. Thomas Aquinas
>Descartes
>Spinoza
>Leibniz
>Kant
>Locke
>Hume
>Hobbes
>Hegel
>Schopenhauer
>Kierkegaard
>Marx
>Nietzsche
>Freud
>Heidegger
>Foucault
>Wittgenstein
>Derrida
>>77339235
>don't live with the absurd
>live the absurd
I think I got the context I'm just not 13
You're all now thinking of studying pussy lips of your gfs.
t.
>>77339354
>foucault
>>77339354
And finish off with Deleuze
The only philosopher you will ever need is Max Stirner.
>>77338851
So Christianity is based on Faith so, are facts disproving god supposed to test faith or are they proof? The only way to know is after death.
>>77339403
He was brilliant. I bet you've never read a word he's written.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVa4ERqz97o
Based Zizek.
>>77338851
Hume is bae
>>77339409
Why?
>>77339303
Much appreciated.
>>77339409
I think robots make that point obsolete
>>77338851
The trial and death of Socrates is pretty neat.
At one point it's discussed if people learn new things or just remember them again. This is based on the concept of a soul that's, according to Socrates, immortal.
If we are to entertain the notion of a soul, thinking we all got one unique is too small minded, in my opinion.
Why not have fragments of a larger collective soul, which still applies to Socrates' logic that we might actually not really learn anything, but rather remember things we already knew?
>>77339500
Sounds interesting. I'll give it a try.
>>77339176
>>77339134
>>77339108
> hating Locke
The USA was basically founded on his ideas. If you think the American revolution of 1776 was bad, you guys must truly be mouth-breathers.
>>77339176
I have read way to many shit-philosophers to count. These are the mustreads if you must read the truth.
Of course there are others to recommend, but purely for entertainment value.
> Eg. Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Bastiat, Rand, Montesquieu, Mill etc.
Zeno's paradoxes really opened my eyes on a lot of methods of thought. I recommend them to anyone who likes philosophy but not reading.
>>77339456
>Defending Foucuck
He is literally Tumblr: The philosopher
>>77339354
Most of them are reddit-tier.
>>77339108
>That's why I've been careful about reading philosophy
The point in reading philosophy isn't to agree with everything you read. The truth can't be clouded because you have to question everything that you read. As you read more and more the things that you read from different philosophers will often contradict or supplement one another, so you will form your own ideology/philosophy in the end. Be prepared to also question your past beliefs even.
I think you'd save some time by skipping everything between the Ancient Greeks and Hegel though.
>>77339567
I'll give them a try
I thank you broeder.
>>77339567
The American revolution was bad. You wouldn't understand.
>>77339567
>'the truth'
You don't know the first thing about philosophy.
>>77339552
Socrates is funny too, he discusses evolution, or rather the concept of it.
But in his time there was no such concept established. Although you still see the argument for what it is.
>not posting the ultimate destroyer
>>77339500
>>77339552
> Babby bought a $2 Penguin miniclassic and is now into dem philosophy
Yeah, it's a pretty good read. But Antigone makes a far better point.
>>77339616
>>77339636
>"those philosophical schools are tumblr or reddit-tier"
This is how I know how dumb you people are.
>>77339754
Wow your so cultured you must know everything
>>77339732
>that one spanish stirnerfag
took you long enough to appear. How spooked are ya today my man?
>>77339687
Yeah I regretted my words when I posted them. I'll keep your words in mind. Do you have a suggestion what book to start with? I'm kinda new to this.
>>77339769
Not an argument.
Read this:
http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/books/UPB/Universally_Preferable_Behaviour_UPB_by_Stefan_Molyneux_PDF.pdf
>>77339769
>St. Augustine
>Spinoza
>Leibniz
>Kant
>Hegel
>Kierkegaard
>Marx
>Heidegger
>Foucault
How are these not reddit/tumblr shit-tier ""philosophers""?
>>77339754
>Babby bought a $2 Penguin miniclassic and is now into dem philosophy
>Yeah, it's a pretty good read. But Antigone makes a far better point.
Pretty good low-tier shitposting.
>>77339850
Idk if Stefan still agrees with this
>>77339769
No. You are the faggot. Taking all of these philosophers seriously means your worldview is completely non-existent.
>>77339850
Stefan Molyneux is not a philosopher.
>>77339850
>Molyneux
>this is who /pol/ considers a legitimate philosopher
A fucking youtube "philosopher". Dear me.
>>77339843
v-very spoopie heteropatriacal morning today, how about you?
>>77339940
This has to be bait.
These 2, honestly
>>77339811
Thank you. I do know a lot about this subject yes.
>>77339940
You are never asked to prove a negative
>>77339940
What's reddit about them?
>>77339952
It was a list of diverse thinkers that'll teach someone interested in familiarizing himself with philosophy how to think.
Something you're seemingly severely in want of.
>>77339940
Disagree with Kant there. Agree with your general point.
>>77340007
You must be the prettiest cuck at the bull breed your so eloquent
>>77339961
>>77339967
He has his own philosophy. You're children who think philosophers have to be ancient academics with statues of them around.
DOING philosophy makes you a philosopher.
READING about philosophers doing philosophy makes you a READER.
Stefan does the former, you the later.
Tell me again who's a philosopher.
>>77340000
quads confirmed.
>>77340056
Why didn't you list Hitler then, he was a philosopher too. Give me one reason why anyone should read the shit you listed.
>>77340064
What else do you agree with? Please reply to each individual comment but just with your opinion and no reasons for that opinion
>>77340114
ur mum m8, she uses her head quite a bit
>>77340114
/thread
>>77340064
Kant would be the only one who is even remotely reddit (what a retarded turn of phrase). Read his political philosophy. He's the only liberal in that list
>>77339845
I'd suggest you start with anything by Hegel, but you can pick anything that suits your interests for starters so you don't get bored.
Is this man the greatest philosopher who ever lived?
>>77340140
>Give me one reason why anyone should read the shit you listed
There's every school of thought there. Forgot the Stoics and Epicureans, though.
Hitler wasn't a philosopher.
>>77340241
I'll do that. thanks based greece
>>77340241
>guy is new to philosophy
>recommend him Hegel as a starting point
You people are morons
>>77339275
this guy.
>>77340287
>Hitler wasn't a philosopher.
According to which criterion? I assume it's one nobody else uses. I'd like to clarify my own position and state that I'm not a Nazi, but I can at least recognise some of the contributions Hitler made.
>>77340348
Lol recommending Hegel as a starting point is fucking retarded. Its the fucking Denmarkposter who is beta cuckfagging this thread up though.
>>77340837
Plato is the best starting point, he is babby's first philosopher.
>>77338916
It's completely doctored by Jews.
>>77340555
He was at most a political "philosopher". He made no contributions to ontology, metaphysics, epistemology, or moral philosophy. He was a demagogue.
>I'd like to clarify my own position and state that I'm not a Nazi
Who the fuck cares
>>77340287
> Hitler wasn't a philosopher
This is why you are full of shit. You only named those philosophers because you thought it was cool to someone who is new to philosophy.
>>77338851
You literally just need to read the pre-socrats, in particular Heraclitus.
Plato irreconcilably poisoned philosophy and it has never recovered.
>>77340913
>reading Plato without reading the Pre-Socratics
wew
>>77340913
I agree but I wouldn't list him as essential in any way. His philosophy is very interesting though.
>>77340995
I can tell by the way you post that you've barely read anything.
You're young, aren't you?
>>77341034
So edgy. Give me literally one reason to read Heraclitus.
>>77341206
Nice counterargument!
>>77341193
>Plato isn't essential to an understand of the Western philosophical tradition
Your posts are fucking hilarious
Marcus Aurelius, Seneca and Epictetus are basics for the good life
>>77341270
I responded here:>>77340994
And in turn, we get this gem from the Dutch moron:
>This is why you are full of shit. You only named those philosophers because you thought it was cool
Such an intellectual
>>77341034
Thats a wierd way to spell Socrates
>>77338851
Only Nietzsche, Stirner, Ayn Rand, Anton LaVey.
Those four are sufficient.
>>77341206
Hahaha seriously? I have read more than your tiny little mind can even comprehend. Let me guess, first year philosophy student?
>>77338851
Philosophy graduate here.
None of them. Philosophy is a complete waste of fucking time.
Do something productive instead.
honestly OP get off /pol/ right now and go to /lit/
You will not get a straight forward answer here, while some of these suggestions are valid just look at the replies they get
>huur reddit-tier
>not reddit tier u dumb i smart
>philosopher x is truth all others dumb huur
>>77338944
and the rest of the word is studying literally Plato and Aristotle, come on
>>77341400
What do you do? Do you have a job?
>>77341356
wew lad.
>>77341404
Yeah, I second this
>>77341279
Stop moving goalposts. Plato is not necessary for a healthy philosophical outlook, no. A newbie has no need to read him because Aristotle is the true founding father of Western philosophy, not Plato.
>>77339354
earning money > any philosophy
>>77341267
Good and ill to the physician
surely must be one
since he derives his fee
from torturing the sick
Always having what we want
may not be the best good fortune
Health seems sweetest
after sickness, food
in hunger, goodness
in the wake of evil, and at the end
of daylong labor sleep
Just as the river where I step
is not the same, and is,
so I am as I am not
>>77340287
No cynicism.
You fags preach Stoicism and barely ever mention Antithenes or Diogenes
>>77341382
I have a master's.
These are your views, as I discern them from this thread:
>Plato is not essential to an understanding of Western philosophy
>Hitler is a philosopher
>1 book, one treatise, and one conception of metaphysics is enough to understand philosophy and learn how to think; everything else can be disregarded
>keeps talking about 'the truth' that you've found
What is this nebulous truth?
>>77341514
>>77341404
> implying /int/ will not give beta cuck Denmarkposter answers
>>77339354
>>77339303
>>77340000
>>77340122
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This has to be some kind of joke. Other philosophers propose and analysis of timeless constants like time and society, where as this clown has a set of ideals that apply only to his time and even then failed miserably in practice according to his own standards of efficacy. This fat, hairy, lazy, NEET faggot is a meme and nothing more.
>>77341654
What do you do for a living? Are you Vincent Hendricks?
>>77341611
Read Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics for a refutation of that retarded claim.
>>77338981
>>77339047
>>77339567
>>77339636
>>77339754
>>77339952
>>77340007
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>>77340140
>>77340837
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>>77341267
>>77341382
>>77341556
>>77341667
>read ONLY these philosophers I say, don't read anything else!
>never acknowledge the existence of ideas that challenge your own; live in an eternal self-confirming bubble!
>i'm so fucking smart, I've read all these books!
>haha you are dumb and I'm so fucking smart!
Please, please fuck off
>>77341443
Of course I don't.
Jokes aside, I got a job as a web developer after graduation (I took some CS courses while at uni because I knew I would be unemployable otherwise). But I quit that job because I'm a stupid arsehole.
Hopefully will get another web dev job though.
>>77341823
That Dutch guy is a fucking retard.
>>77341729
I had him as a professor in formal logic, I think.
I'm a gymnasielaerer
>>77341654
You have a master. I truly pity you. I have read all these books without university brainwashing.
You think there is no truth. I think there is. It is the golden rule of Christianity and the categorical imperative of Kant: one should treat others like they would like to be treated themselves, the principle of non-agression, the principle of human rights.
These are the universal truth. And if you disagree with them, philosophy graduate, you are the enemy.
>>77340000
How does it feel to be embarrassingly retarded and to believe something dumber than scientology?
>>77341970
What other subject do you teach? I had philosophy in gymnasiet. It was great
>>77341356
>Anton LaVey
A plagiarist in my opinion. Nothing new can be learn't from him if you have read the prior. His idealism also takes far to many steps in the direction of aesthetics and glamour. The actual point he tries to make, though it has been made before, is overshadowed by a pungent edgyness. I would recommend reading the Satanic Bible however. Not at all a bad read.
>Nietzche
Fairly useless once you realize it is all broken down into a far more simple and yet more precise from by:
>Stirner
Based and did not revive enough credit. Sure, I'd never encourage anyone to read his books considering I don't think it is healthy for my survival, however it makes perfect sense and is truly the human at it's most bare and naked. He may not have been very inspired, however his honesty is what shines through in the The Person and his Property (The Ego and it's Own)
>>77341753
live long enough to shit on this nigger monkey Aristotleshit
better read Mises or Hayek
>>77339303
>Machiavelli
>philosopher
Proof you got this list from wikipedia or reddit
Hegel is what you're looking for
>>77342018
>I have read all these books without university brainwashing.
It shows
>You have a master.
There's a qualitative difference between a teacher and a master. Read a few Socratic dialogues.
>You think there is no truth
You can't even discern an argument. I doubt your 'truth' is in any way Absolute, because you're clearly a moron.
>the truth is the golden rule of Christianity and the categorical imperative
The golden rule and the categorical imperative aren't the same thing.
>one should treat others like they would like to be treated themselves, the principle of non-agression, the principle of human rights.
This is all you've learned from your "rigorous" immersion in the history of philosophy? Pick up any self-help book and you'll get the same 'insights'.
>these are universal truths
You haven't demonstrated how
>And if you disagree with me, you are the enemy.
That's intellectually honest.
Jeremy Bentham
HLA Hart
Hobbes
Personally I like Austins conflict theory.
>>77342018
Why are human rights a good thing? They sure seem spooky to me.
Nietzsche, Camus, Sam Harris, Dawkins (inb4 reddit) and Hawking
>>77342326
I think you should watch yourself. I respect your knowledge of terms and assume that your are knowledgeable in this area, however you should be more humble. You climb the peak of wisdom. Surely you would rather cast light upon those at the bottom as opposed to diarrhea?
Anyway, that aside, if I didn't want to go to university, what should I be reading to reach your version of understanding?
>>77339567
>The USA was basically founded on his ideas.
That's the point fuckface.
>If you think the American revolution of 1776 was bad, you guys must truly be mouth-breathers.
>t. #ShillforHill
Wrong board reddit
>Of course there are others to recommend, but purely for entertainment value.
Ok now I know you are a troll
7/10
>>77342407
I wouldn't call Dawkin's a philosopher. He said a few interesting things about Darwinism in society, however what else is there?
>>77342587
Not seeing many arguments here.
And America that follows the constitution is an America that dominated the world.
Foucault
Baudrillard
Deleuze
Derrida
Maffesoli
Lacan
Zizek
Hegel
Marx
fite me cunts
![9781139000574i[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rQnN0FY.jpg "9781139000574i[1].jpg")
>>77342502
I have never claimed to know anything except that that guy's dogmatic and intellectually dishonest and self-aggrandizing posturing is embarrassing.
>if I didn't want to go to university, what should I be reading
Modern philosophy starts with Descartes. But start with an introduction to Plato and Artistotle. The Cambridge companion to Plato is excellent.
>>77342667
And turned it to shit. Is this literally your first day? Is reddit raiding us again?
>>77338851
Plato, Aristotle, Descarte, Kant, Hume, Neitzche
>>77342857
I'm having the complete works of plato being shipped from the Uk. I already have Volume 1 and 2 of the complete Aristotle. Haven't real it all yet.
>>77342890
... Subversion made it shit. No matter how solid a defense, it has cracks. Name one good nation.
>>77342803
>he reads Foucault
Take your history bending normative inconsistencies else where thanks
>>77342857
>mfw reading synopsum
>>77342018
There's a universal truth that you're a self-righteous twat
You are no better than SJWs parroting their dogmatic opinions
>>77342857
>>77342960
Oh yeah, and I'll also look at Descartes. Anything else in particular?
>>77342960
That sounds comprehensive.
When I first started reading philosophy I just read introductions (and selected readings) to every notable philosopher from the pre-Socratics to contemporary stuff.
Then I started over and read it more in depth.
Your approach may work better for you, though.
>>77343209
>Descartes -> Spinoza -> Hume -> Kant -> Hegel -> Nietzsche
Charles Taylor
Jurgen Habermas
>>77339850
Not another molyneux fag,
Here's an argument, Truth may or may not be universally preferable, independent of whether one affirms the preferability of truth for oneself. Actions may or may not be purpseful, independent of whether one's actions are purposeful.
Stefan is a cultist, not an argument, but an opinion.
I never understand these threads. Everyone lists a bunch of philosophers, sometimes lists an order to read them. In reality any one of these thinkers could be studied for a lifetime and read and re-read forever with new insights. This is especially true of monoliths like Aquinas, Kant, Nietzsche, etc
You're better off finding a book that is interesting to you (based on the description) and trying to get as much as you can out if it.
>>77344232
>any of these thinkers could be studied for a lifetime
>therefore you're better off finding a book that seems interesting to you (based on the description) and trying to get as much as you can out of it
I don't think that quite follows.
>>77344642
I just mean that saying
>read this guy
isn't very useful, it really depends on what the reader is looking for
>ctrl-f bible
>1 result
And it's the satanic bible. lmao
>>77345199
In fairness, people who are new to philosophy rarely know in advance what they're looking for.
So it's best to start at the beginning and work your way through it.
>>77345347
There is no "beginning"
>>77345347
They started jotting their thoughts down at one point in time, though.
>>77343356
So what? Neitzsche is an end point? I could have sworn there were other notable people.
The Apologies of Socrates. It's basically a book about free speech and why we need it. Socrates is on trail for disturbing the peace and gods. What really is going on is the senatorial class is tired of Socrates pointing out of much of a dick they all are. Socrates likens himself to a gadfly in his discription of why he is important and why the people and gods need him. He likened Athens to a great and noble steed that the gadfly had to remind of its duties so it did not get too proud.
It's a very /pol/ friendly book and one of the few things worth while that ever came out of greece.
Everything between augustine and hegel is shit
>>77345781
He's not an end point at all. It was just a few suggestions
>>77345938
Oh. The arrows for some reason made the think it was a beginning to end type deal.
>>77346154
No, but there is certainly a chronology.
Spinoza responded to Descartes, Kant to Hume, Hegel to Kant (and by extension Descartes and Spinoza), Nietzsche to everyone.
>>77345347
I like to ask people what they want. "I want to know how to live a good life"- Spinoza and Kant won't be much help there, but Marcus Aurelius and Cicero are a good start since they are easy to read, then they can move on to Aristotle or something else more advanced.
I suppose you're right though, new readers don't usually know what they want. Philosophy should be a 1-1 teacher/student thing imo, where a learned master teaches a student individually
>>77339354
This is a solid list with a continental inflection. If you're going to be competent in philosophy, spend a good amount of time studying the history of philosophy. It's not some area where you pick one guy and just read him. Really you should take the time to do at least one degree in the field. If not, then you're really just a dabbler and imposter as a philosopher.
>>77346703
A degree in the field is pretty much the only way to get through a list like that in one lifetime. It's not that the material was so difficult so much as you need a teacher and sometimes a classroom to discuss the ideas to their fullest extent. Otherwise you'll be at sea, making up an interpretation as you go
>>77338851
Plato:
The Republic
The Apology
Machiavellian:
The Prince
Heidegger:
Being and Time
Europe:
The Problems of Philosophy (For Rooks)
The Transcendence of Ego
Existentialism is a Humanism
The Critique of Pure Reason
Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
The Crisis of European Sciences and Transcendental Phenomenology
Phenomenology of Spirit
Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Chinese philosophy:
I Ching
Zhuangzi
Kongzi (The analects of Confucius)
Xunzi
Laozi
Guanzi
Mencius
Han Fei Tzu (Chinese vers of The Prince)
Art of War
Buddhist Philosophy:
Heart Sutra
Diamond Sutra
Not one mention of an analytic philosopher, Pol truly is garbarge tier.
>>77338851
just live and form your own thoughts, goddammit
>>77346938
> something something sciences objective truth but we don't quite know what science is, morals or objective but I'm going to ignore all moral philosophy prior to John Stuart Mill
boring af desu
>>77346938
>le continental vs analytic maymay
>>77346897
Flying solo with this stuff is incredibly hard. It helps so much to have a teacher and a group of students with whom to debate and discuss the material.
ITT: /pol/lets gradually realize who little they know and how many years of reading and study lie ahead before being able to make interesting claims about anything related to philosophy. Also ITT: faggots who think you can ready one terrible book and have a sufficient grasp of philosophy.
Does eastern philosophy have any value to it? I read the analects and it was full of silly platitudes and boot-licking. Chinks actually like this shit?
>>77347358
Yes.
Our degenerate modern civilization has much to learn from Confucian teachings
>See a uni course on critical reasoning
>About analysing arguments and common fallacious arguments
>'Hmm this looks interesting, ok I'll take it as an elective'
>Rock up to first lecture
>Lecturer starts to explain what an argument is
>'You can't have an argument without some form of language'
>Some neckbeard Philosophy-major looking loser puts his hand up
>'But what about x!'
>'No, that doesn't work'
>'What about y!'
>proceeds to waste the lecturer's time for like 30 fucking minutes trying to argue the first point in the first slide of the first lecture of the semester
I understood then why philosophers and people who think philosophy are important are fucking losers
>>77338851
Sartor Resartus
also read the holy books
and The Will to Believe (essay, available online)
>>77347504
Authoritarian drivel. Western egoism destroys it on the ground level, and point for point, western individualism and Buddhist sutras are both superior in every way in my opinion. Look a the fruits of these paths. Eastern philosophy encompasses the submission that was commanded of them whereas western philosophy encompasses the strength that was demanded in the European people.
>>77347248
As a student there are a lot of interesting things you can do if you try to look for new questions or new areas of interest. A good friend of mine is studying with Iain Thompson and is doing interesting work on Heidegger and Hölderlin, and since we talk shop every day I've actually gotten the chance to contribute to papers despite not being a grad student
>>77347926
Nice way to go. I'd also recommend keeping up with philosophy news on a few decent blogs like The Leiter Reports, attending public lectures where possible, getting hold of proper lecture series on the history of philosophy like those done by The Teaching Company (readily available through piratebay), downloading material as needed through http://gen.lib.rus.ec/, and watching the occasional lecture by a prominent philosopher on youtube. All good ways to enhance your own education.
