Why do atheists like to pretend that they're skeptics?
>>77296580
Why do christfags deny evolution?
>>77296655
Because its speculative.
Why are agnostics who prioritize their religious beliefs on the level of matching their socks or having enough pepper in the spice cabinet the best people on Earth?
>>77296734
Observable
>>77296655
Only young earth creationists deny evolution. Fedoras like to strawman that all Christians are like that.
>>77296996
>Fedoras like to strawman that all Christians are like that.
kek
>>77296889
Conjecture and inference.
>>77296580
>"I'm an atheist! I'm scientifically minded!"
>Explain to them that there is literally no proof of a god either existing or not existing, hence the chance of there not being a god cannot be zero until proven
>"LOL, INVISIBLE SKY KING! GO DRINK THE COOL AID xDD"
Atheists are just pathetic SJW cuckolds, the majority of which wear glasses and study liberal arts.
>>77297199
Atheists are just in general, stupid. Just because you can parrot information that comes from those who were truly intelligent, does not make you intelligent. Just as a parrot can string together a coherent sentence does not make a parrot intelligent, it makes it well, a parrot.
>>77296580
It makes them feel superior to their parents
>>77297125
fedora being the colloqial term for atheist
>>77297364
Not just intelligent. They will spout the word of famed people like it's literal scripture from a diety, just because somebody with renown said it, then turn around and make fun of religious texts.
Just because somebody says "global warming is a thing", that statement is not empirical simply because it was stated.
>>77297199
>Explain to them that there is literally no proof of a god either existing or not existing, hence the chance of there not being a god cannot be zero until proven
True, but there's also no proof of there being a god outside of literal bronze age writings.
Just believe whatever gets you through the day.
>>77297485
>fedora being the colloqial term for atheist
No, that would be like me calling all christians bible thumpers, they're just not.
>>77297199
If there is no proof of his existence, how the fuck you come up with the idea of god, then have the nerve to go tell everyone else they can't prove he doesn't exist?
Stingray yourself Steve
>>77296655
Why do you accept it?
>>77297177
Sure bub.
>>77297199
being scientifically minded also means thinking with logic
>a almighty superpowered dude is in the sky watching over us and his son who came back from death is your prophet
does that make sense to you?
>>77297683
>bronze age writings
They knew more about science than we did, until the 1900's. In fact, there are very few things they did not know, and there are many things I am sure they knew that we still do not. And possibly will never know considering the methods in which we use to acquire knowledge.
I'm really getting sick of this meme.
>bronze age writings
>must be wrong
Incredibly stupid.
Rational Atheists are.
>>77297875
I am sure.
>>77297904
Is logic material?
>>77297904
Considering your gross misrepresentation of what it actually says, you don't deserve a response because this is a troll level post. Oh, wait... (You)
>>77298018
>Rational
>Atheist
pick one
I don't get why atheists operate under the assumption that religious people are religious solely because they think it is the truth.
>Christian churches act like local community centers
>Christianity/religion acts as a support group for depressed people
>historically Christianity acted to end slavery in feudal Europe, setting the stage for the enlightenment
There are reasons why religion exists and why it is still popular.
>>77297957
>They knew more about science than we did, until the 1900's
Mind giving an example?
>bronze age writings
>must be wrong
Well, I'm under the impression that the Old Testament is essentially justification from a point of view with a poor understanding of the world and it's mechanics.
>>77298329
Cause it's true
Because they are largely skeptics of evangelicals.
How the "new atheists" grasp Christianity is limited to Evangelical or general Protestant thought.
>>77298329
The problem with that is that only religious people feel like they belong there, rest wouldnt fit in unless they chose jesus as their saviour
>>77297690
The same way people think up goblins, tooth fairies and unicorns. Literally any mythological being. Even Superman. We can think of Superman so he must exist!
It's called imagination. Fucktard.
>>77298329
Yeah, you tell your kids that if they don't believe in it they go to hell.
>>77298425
No, but without God, you can't even demonstrate your in not in the matrix
>>77298529
So tell them the truth then;)
>>77298329
>There are reasons why religion exists and why it is still popular.
>Doesn't include the real reason.
They can't deal with reality.
>>77296580
I know I'm skeptical of a god existing
Skeptic:
>I have not been provided sufficient evidence of a creator, therefore I do not believe in one.
Atheist :
>God is stupid and not real because the pop scientists I follow on social media say so. I highly value logic and reason, especially my own, but I'll immediately believe any statement that conforms to my world views. Praise FSM! xDDD
>>77298509
You know God exists
Romans 1
Psalms 14
>>77298425
The constellations for one. The shape of the Earth. Atoms. What the ocean floor was really like. The ancients knew a lot.
Are you a biblical scholar? Have you spent countless years rigorously studying it? Learning several different languages to really get the whole picture?
>>77298675
But are you skeptical of your skepticism
>>77296655
Catholicism doesn't
>>77298318
I pick both because you likely misunderstand Atheism.
>>77298772
Sure, but that doesn't take precedence over the initial skepticism
>>77298716
>You know God exists
Sure, and I know Superman exists. Just not in any real way.
>>77298716
You know unicorns are real too then. The bible also talks about them. Also giants.
>>77298695
What evidence would convince you of God, and if you where, would you worship him?
>>77298329
>needing hugboxes to deal with first world problems
>>77298893
They were real. What's your point?
>>77298854
But how can you reason if you can't even show that your reasoning is valid
>>77298659
How is that different than an atheist who buys himself a two car garage house and starts a family, telling himself he won't die alone. We all distract ourselves with our own delusions senpai. I'm not even religious, I just can't stand athiests who don't see their own equivalancies.
>>77298642
It's the one reason why I think religion shouldn't go away completely, It's comforting and excellent shorthand for making kids not terrified of the concept of their own mortality.
>>77298567
>The constellations for one. The shape of the Earth. Atoms. What the ocean floor was really like. The ancients knew a lot.
I'm fairly certain that the greeks were the ones who came up with those concepts, when they were pagans.
And nope, I've read the shitty translations of them that most people are taught it with, as well as some other major religions, none really convinced me of their creed
>>77296655
whose one? never meet any
>>77299035
I don't understand your question. Why would I need to come up with valid reason to justify my skepticism to myself? It doesn't seem very likely to me that the supernatural exists and I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe otherwise
>>77298893
Unicorn was a mistranslation for the Rhino
The word used for Giant was a mistranslation also from the Septuagint, the Hebrew word was fallen ones, the Greeks equated nephilems to Giants when they translated OT
How Atheists would like things to be
>Religions are stupid and followed by stupid people
>Remove religion
>Stupid people become le enlightened men of science
How this actually are
>Religions are stupid and followed by stupid people
>Remove religion
>Marxism
>>77299080
>starting a family
>equivalent to making shit up
>>77299080
>How is that different than an atheist who buys himself a two car garage house and starts a family, telling himself he won't die alone.
Because this isn't based on anything that's in a book written by Jews.
And the only "delusion" is the "not dying alone" part. Anyone who's thought about it knows that everyone dies alone.
>>77299206
You've never had the misfortune of meeting a young earth creationist.
I envy you.
>>77298855
Read the passages and you will understand my position,
>>77299406
*things
>>77297199
>thinking ALL atheists adamantly deny the existence of God
>makes the atheist seem incredibly stupid in greentext so he feels right
Never chance, Australia
>>77297364
>Just because you can parrot information
And you are just blindly believing what you read in the bible and what other people have believed before you for the sake of fitting in to a particular group. We're not parroting Facebook quotes here. Atheists just don't have a strong faith in God, and that can arise for many reasons.
And you believe in God based off the ideas of others and what others have told you, and I'm sure you're going to parrot them in this thread. So, isn't what you said hypocritical?
>>77299450
I've read those passages and they are as convincing as anything in a Harry Potter book.
>>77299443
maybe its because i'm in a catholic country not an here.. protestant country
>>77299194
I mean if someone is about to walk off a cliff, and I didn't say anything to them, you would probably get mad at me for not warning them
>>77299406
Yeah, I think religion needs to exist for certain types of people. If only everyone was more like me
>>77299554
No, because I never said that parroting what you mention makes me intelligent or enlightened. Your ability to read another person's post objectively and respond without bias has been drawn into question now.
>>77296580
> 1 post by this ID
slide thread, sage
>>77299229
Do you put blind faith in your reasoning?
Are there people who's reasoning isn't valid in the world?
What evidence would prove that the supernatural exists
>>77299657
True, as long as what's at the bottom of the cliff is completely unobservable, even to the one warning the person.
>>77299691
If you don't at least raise your kids Christian, you're doing a dumb thing
>>77299440
my point is that people can craft their sense of purpose and reality around an ephemeral material world, or an equally ephemeral spiritual world of their own imagining. I really don't think either is necessarily a better option. In other words, I see a lot of atheists become mindless consumers who judge their self worth based on how much money they make. I know many don't and that religious people do this as well, but it's just a correlation I've noticed.
>>77299566
I didn't know Harry Potter was 66 books coorisponding to each other written over the course of 1000 years, set in a real world setting, and has a message for salvation
>>77299888
So something isn't true if you didn't observe it?
>>77300317
No, you might be correct, the problem is that you don't know.
You can be correct about something, but not actually know if it is before hand.
>>77300051
You can instill good morals without Christianity. Just take the morals and leave the God traditions. Use the golden rule and other important concepts
>>77300451
I know
>>77299736
>read another person's post objectively and respond without bias has been drawn into question now.
Oh, right. Because saying that atheists are stupid in general is not biased at all and pure objective fact. Yep. I'm sure all your posts here will not be biased.
Your ability to use your brain and be honest with yourself has been drawn into question now
>>77300492
This, the religious authority of christianity just makes it easier to follow
>>77300530
Then why ask?
>>77300148
Why does that matter? It won't make that passage any more believable as anything in a Harry Potter book.
It just goes to show how long people have been believing in fairy tales.
And afaik HP is set in the "real world" as well. It's called the muggle world or something.
>>77300616
I meant I know the Christian God exists
>>77300069
>my point is that people can craft their sense of purpose and reality around an ephemeral material world
>an equally ephemeral spiritual world of their own imagining
The material world is actually real. The spiritual world is all imagination.
> I really don't think either is necessarily a better option.
I do.
>>77300559
I will fix the issue we are having. People in general, are stupid. I never said that all Atheists were stupid, not all of them are. I was an Atheist for many years. I was very stupid at that time. I have no issues in being honest with myself. Compared to all that can be known, we are all incredibly stupid. It's relative, don't take it personally.
>>77300710
I know that he doesn't
>>77296580
Why do shitposters like to pretend like they're Christians?
>>77300828
Mind came before matter my friend. We have proven that matter responds when it is observed. Only an unlimited God can observe all things at one time. The material world is the manifestation of God.
>>77300828
yeah, it is real, read the second part of my post. Atheists could devote themselves to making the real world better, but in my experience most of them just focus on the eternal ratrace. How is that a more viable option than retreating to religion for most people?
>>77300645
Show me hoggwarts on a map?
Harry Potter was written for fiction.
The four Gospels where eye witness accounts written in the same century as Jesus Christ, the followers who witnessed Christs resurrection were martyred for what they proclaimed to have seen. The evidence for the authenticity of the Bible is amazing, the problem you have with it is that there are miracles, which is a presupposition you have that won't let you look at the evidence properly
>>77301024
How can you know anything to be true?
>>77301314
Zeus told me in a dream.
>>77301356
What did Zeus say?
>>77301356
Do you believe in Zeus?
>>77296580
Because they originally were. The SJWs who have taken over the entire movement over the past 25 years have nothing to do with atheism. They're just using it to push their own agenda, and there's not a skeptic bone in their body.
>>77300710
Oh, well no, you don't, you have a belief that he does, fueled by people proselytizing around you and towards you, but actual knowledge, tangible evidence that proves that he exists?
I don't believe you would.
>>77301384
God exists
>>77300828
saying "can't face reality", is like saying "can't face the rain and snow" when people build houses. Religion is simply a more positive mental structure for a lot of people. Not you, not me, but a lot of other people. Jebus, have some empathy man.
>>77301187
>Mind came before matter my friend.
Citation needed.
You've all met somebody like this, right?
>I'm an atheist, I don't believe in your childish superstitions
>but aliens are totally visiting Earth on a regular basis
>also ingesting silver will cure any disease but the big pharmaceutical companies are covering it up
>check out my New Age Crystal, it aligns all my chakrams
>>77301411
Yeah, we're brothers. I'm actually Posiedon.
>>77301429
Everyone knows God exists
Including you
But people suppress this truth in their unrighteousness
Either by creating an idol
Or worshiping ones self
>>77300904
>People in general, are stupid. I never said that all Atheists were stupid
>>77297364
>Atheists are just in general, stupid.
>in general, meaning mostly, mainly, usually, as a whole
Well, I never said that you said ALL atheists were stupid. I'm pointing out the extreme bias in your statement by saying "in general, they are stupid"
Now you're covering your tracks.
Yes, we are all stupid. But some are more stupid than others.
>>77301525
>but aliens are totally visiting Earth on a regular basis
>also ingesting silver will cure any disease but the big pharmaceutical companies are covering it up
>check out my New Age Crystal, it aligns all my chakrams
Stop reminding me these people exist
>>77301551
Lay off the pot
>>77301729
Pot isn't allowed in Olympia.
>>77301429
Are you going to allow us to use the entire Universe and the laws it abides by as tangible evidence for a God that we argue created it? Can I use your existence? My own? What constitutes as tangible evidence in your eyes? Only what you see with your own eyes?
>>77301259
>eye witness accounts
>the followers
You mean, power hungry Jews who wanted to create their own cult made some shit up about a Jew they knew that was popular for a while for disagreeing with other Jews.
Ever read the Greeks? Plato? He talks about gods as well. He was real. So the gods he talked about were real too right? Right?
Why do Christians ask loaded questions and expect an actual discussion? Why are all the people I don't like dumb?
>>77301467
>We have proven that matter responds when it is observed
Read the post.
>>77296580
I'm more confused why they call themselves "free thinkers" and then just reel off what Dawkins has said. It's embarrassing.
>>77301657
I worship nothing. There is literally nothing worthy of worship. Especially not some made up mythological being from a time where most people were literally illiterate, thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe.
>>77301837
Dude what power was there in the first century church, Study Roman history, Jews hated Christians too
>>77302016
No one thinks freely
>>77301657
>Everyone knows God exists
Lots of people believe he exists, and conflate that with knowing.
>Including you
Not really, it'd be nice, but it's not particularly convincing.
>>77301804
Well that's the problem what CAN you use to prove (or disprove, if you must) that he exists?
Smarter men than me have tried, all have failed.
The best you can do is chose what brings you the most comfort and teach your kids that.
>>77301673
They are. I was one of them. Are you accusing me of being biased against myself? I am mainly using myself, others I have met and interacted with, as grounds for what I said. I'm not covering tracks, you accused me of something I'm not doing. Don't take it personal.
>>77302120
Especially not you.
>>77299858
I'd like to think I challenge my reasoning well enough, but I'm not deeply thinking about it
Of course there are people with invalid reasoning. I've changed my stance on issues in my life (I was once very liberal)
I'm not really sure. For something like that I think it's personal, and that you have to feel it or come to that conclusion yourself, like after an event you experience
I don't look down on religious people
>>77302024
So you think your better than those people don't you, you sound very proud and arrogant
>>77297875
Well it is an inference. A very reasonable one, but nonetheless an inference.
>>77302024
>thought the earth was flat
that's a meme my man
>>77301953
That doesn't prove that mind came before matter you dumb fuck.
Assuming you're referencing the slit experiment, it literally works without a human presence. It works if just a camera is present.
>>77298425
Ancient egyptians had pictures accurately depicting sperm cells, they knew the exact circumference of the earth, they understood pi and phi, knew about procession of the equinox. I could go on. They knew far more about reality than we do today. The information is passed down through certain religious traditions and myths but atheists are too fucking stupid to understand allegory and number symbolism. Look into alchemy and hermeticism if youre actually interested. If youre a militant atheist then youre beyond hope and should ignore everything i just said.
>>77302127
Romans 1 says differently, define truth for me?
>>77302120
This is the whole reason smug athiests are so annoying. Everybody has higher order biases that structure their perception of reality. No-one is more grounded than anyone else.
>>77298425
Also you would have to be really unintelligent to not get that the old testament is about 90% allegorical
>>77296580
A belief or stance does not substitute for critical thought
>>77302127
>Smarter men than me have tried, all have failed
If these smart men believed with absolute certainty God existed, and they did, otherwise they wouldn't try to prove it. Why don't you?
>>77302182
Hey if your the product of atheistic evolution, all your thoughts are just based upon chemical reactions, out of your control
>>77301525
I have a friend who's a staunch atheist, but he's also a vegan, and I'm talking about the type who thinks that humans are herbivores and that consuming meat is a conspiracy to fuel the meat industry.
>>77298498
That is not even remotely true. I can tell youve formulated your opinions based on reddit posts and Bill Nye the bachelors degree guy tweets. Try actually talking to these people.
>>77302348
It works because when we are not presently observing it, God still is. That is all the camera shows. Something that doesn't possess thought can't observe in the way we do. Conscious observation.
>>77302024
> thinks the earth is a globe
educate yourself, faggot.
Astrophysics is science fiction.
>>77297841
I accept evolution into my heart as my feeply felt beliefs. So many people have died, but only one divine line led to the creation of me. I've been to the sperm bank often enough to ensure that the future will have this divine line continued.
I accept evolution as my personal saviour, because the chicken came after the egg and the system though complex, is both understandable and sensible. How else could a pikachu involve into a raychu. BTFO christians.
>>77302348
>cameras arent a product of the human mind
>Belgian intellectuals
>>77296580
Because some are, but most aren't because they are religiously atheistic.
>>77302830
Is this picture you?
>>77302466
Smart people are also atheists. Why aren't you?
>>77302217
God has revealed himself to you in a way that you can be held accountable for your actions.
God is what would be known as a transcendent being, so use sing materialistic testing or evidence won't proove his existence, you would have to look for transcendent qualities that would show his existence.
Logic and Reason
An objective moral standard
Creation
Etc
>>77302158
>They are. I was one of them. I am mainly using myself, others I have met and interacted with
>I thought I was dumb. I thought my friends were dumb. Therefore, all other atheists are just as dumb. We represent everyone
Apparently, using yourself and a couple other people as examples can justify saying millions of atheists are "in general, stupid." And on what grounds did you think you were stupid? Because you didn't believe in God?
>accused me of something I'm not doing
You accused me of being very biased, yet your post before mine was biased since what you said wasn't really objective fact. Now, you're saying you were not biased
oy vey
>>77298318
>Rational
>Theist
pick one
>>77296580
It's an excuse to announce themselves as believing that they're the smartest person in the room.
There are more atheistic skeptics compared to religious skeptics.
>>77302761
>It works because when we are not presently observing it, God still is. That is all the camera shows.
No, because if we take the camera out and nobody is observing it, the slit experiment doesn't work. That's how we fucking know that observers have an impact. Even mechanical ones.
So if what you're saying is true, then God is only present when a camera or other type of observer is in the room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BE&v=DfPeprQ7oGc
Next time, don't bring up shit you don't know anything about. Especially nothing related to quantum dynamics.
>>77302024
The Hindu Vedas and Egyptian writings both reference the earth being round. Both are over five thousand years old. Have you ever read a book or do you get all your opinions from r/atheism?
>>77302385
Romans 1
Psalms 14
Proverbs 1
>>77303055
Because the ones who were theists had much more interesting things to say. Now it is your turn to answer my question.
>>77302917
Sounds about right. In an atheistic world view,
>>77302761
>he thinks "observation" in the context of physics means someone literally looking at something
Crucify yourself pls
>>77302932
So is a fucking dildo, yet the slit experiment doesn't work when just a dildo is in the room.
And yes, it is a product of the human mind. Where is God entering this equation? How does this prove God? Pro-tip: it doesn't.
>>77297841
Science. I know I didn't do any of the science, and I know I don't verify the science, but some important guys told me it's true and all my peers believe, so of course it's true. I'm a rationalist, fool.
>>77296580
They don't. A skeptic is unsure, and that's the last thing Atheists come off as.
>>77302016
Theyve replaced the idea of God with people like him and Sam Harris. Atheists are just religious zealots who are too stupid to understand allegory so they need everything broken down and explained to them.
>>77303203
I'm not the guy you asked at first but my answer is that the guys who weren't theists had much more interesting things to say.
>>77303107
At the time I didn't think I was dumb. I didn't think they were dumb either. I have interacted with many people. So have you. The number of truly intelligent atheists is very slim in comparison to all atheists. Same can be said for virtually every other group of people. Again, it is relative. Quit taking it personally.
>>77303357
Atheists are cynics. I don't know how anybody can be stupid enough to think we're the top of reality.
>>77298659
You guys can't even know reality
>>77303166
>Nobody observing it
>Doesn't work
Pick one.
>>77303354
>Some important guys told me its true and all my peers believe so of course its true
This is how atheists actually think.
>>77303326
Inanimate objects are capable of observing then?
Don't crucify yourself pls
>>77303616
>It's in a book so it must be true
This is how theists think
>>77303172
Ow, I didn't realize we were talking about Hindus or Egyptians. Strawman more maybe?
We live in a time where people still believe in a flat earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UuW9CqhBdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2JaM86xpqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RIBO7VB0VE
etc.
Where do you think they get this idea from? Science?
>>77303351
>takes human mind to produce "things"
>doesn't take mind to produce everything else
>>77302371
>Romans 1 says differently
From memory, is that the passage claiming that this book is 100% the truth, follow it and ye shall be saved?
Because I would not really call that reliable information.
>Define truth for me
truth
truːθ
noun
the quality or state of being true.
>>77302452
>Ancient egyptians had pictures accurately depicting sperm cells, they knew the exact circumference of the earth, they understood pi and phi, knew about procession of the equinox. I could go on.
Please do, this actually fascinating, although I'm curious as to why this is knowledge we did not have in, lets say, the middle ages
>They knew far more about reality than we do today.
Anon, they did not have a superior understanding of reality.
They clearly understood parts of it, but to say that we have less of an understanding then than now, is objectively false.
>Also you would have to be really unintelligent to not get that the old testament is about 90% allegorical
Of course a lot of it's allegorical, the problem is the parts it claims are true and infallible.
>>77302466
I mean from both sides, both have tried to prove/disprove god.
All have failed.
>>77303455
Interesting. Share something one of them said with me?
>>77303090
Atheists cant understand things like this. If its not directly in front of them or if Richard Dawkins didnt say it, it doesnt exist.
>>77303354
The argument from ad populum
I love the scientific method, but has to make certain assumptions. Logic exists, if their using historical things, they have to assume that things have been constantly the same then and now
>>77303550
Have you even watched the vid? It's not that long. It explains exactly what I said.
>>77303779
>now than then*
>>77303752
Actually, yeah. They use science to say the earth is flat.
There are theists who believe in magical sky gods because they are actually too stupid to understand science, and there are theists who acknowledge science but believe in magical sky gods. Sadly they have to live in cognitive dissonance. The ultimate red pill is agnostic soft atheism.
Lastly, you don't need a religion to have culture, morals, and values.
>>77303779
No Romans 1 is the chapter that claims that God has revealed himself to all men, but they suppress this truth in their Un righteousness
>>77303351
A camera is an extension of the 5 senses. It is an extension of the human mind. It was created to observe things for the human mind using the power of electricity. Dildos are just toys to entertain Belgian atheists.
>>77303806
I head Dawkins wouldn't even debate Craig
>>77303942
No, they don't. They use mental gymnastics to make observations fit their conclusion. It's literally the antithesis of science.
>>77303855
>not observing it
>this is what happened while nothing observed it
>as it was not observed we have no way to show the way it acted
>>77304051
Without religion, all morality is malleable and thusly, useless.
Morality has no basis in Earthly logic.
>>77303942
Saying that they use science is the same as saying that a child is driving a car, it's true, but you also know it's going to crash into a barrier quite quickly
>>77304060
Oh, so basically it's saying that if people say this is false or untrue, don't believe them?
10/10 would follow blindly.
Atheism is the easiest religion to troll tbqh
>>77304144
Do you have a record of any serious scientist who has said the earth was flat in that time period?
>>77304258
>Morality has no basis in Earthly logic.
Anything to support this claim?
>>77304135
A dildo is an extension of a sense too.
Touch.
But hey, you didn't know what you're talking about 10 minutes ago, you're not going to start making sense now either.
>>77303752
We were talking about religions. Strawman would imply that i was misrepresenting your position. Sorry you cant keep up.
>>77304336
Oh, was it serious scientists who wrote the Bible and other religious texts?
>>77303745
Most theists have their own personal interpretation of the Bible, but atheists will act like faggots if you say this.
>hurr durr u haf to belief all of it!
Is there any limit to an atheist's mental retardation? Is this why most are liberals?
>>77304336
That has literally nothing to with the discussion at hand. But no self respecting scientist would make the claim that the earth is flat afaik.
>>77304258
>without an indoctrination system you can't have morality
>without forcing morals down peoples' throats you won't have morality
Sounds like the problem is people
>Morality has no basis in Earthly logic.
What the hell is "Earthly logic", schizophrenic?
>>77296996
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
There is a lot of good reason to be a young earther.
>>77304351
Survival of the fittest.
There is no morality in a dog eat dog world. People still act in contradiction to this morality you want to assume is inherent to humans. Morality is a learned behavior.
>>77304140
Yup he used every excuse in the book including something about genocide lol. None of the atheist Gods can actually argue their point when it comes down to it. He knew he would come out looking stupid.
>>77303090
I don't understand your first sentence at all. Aren't I accountable for my actions simply because I can decide what action to take?
So I need to use logic and reason, an objective moral standard or a belief in creation to determine if a god exists? I definitely don't believe in creation, so that's out. I'd like to think I'm pretty logical, but I'm not well-versed the way some are. How can reason lead one to believe that a god exists? For me it seems unfathomable.
Morality is where things get hazy. I agree with a lot of Christian morals, but not all of them. I'm not sure if I'm a moral relativist, though. Basically I believe that my morals are the only correct ones. My morals aren't exactly in line with Christianity. They're definitely not Marxist either, though.
>>77303942
Every time they try to use the Bible to say that the world is flat I cringe because Jeremiah said he was a sphere in Hebrew and hangs on nothing.
>>77304444
>>77296580
Because they're told they are.
>>77303468
>The number of truly intelligent atheists is very slim in comparison to all atheists. Same can be said for virtually every other group of people
>backpedalling
That seemingly wasn't your mindset in >>77297364
You were targeting atheists specifically, implying there is a correlation b/w atheism and what you think deems a person stupid, which was parroting, apparently. I mean, you even think you're smarter now that you're not an atheist
>>77304273
No it's the beginning of the Book of Romans serves as a proxy Gospel message. Chapters 1-3 talk about condemnation of the wicked and sinners, chapters 4-5 justification through faith, Romans 6-8 talks about the Christian walk after salvation Romans 9 is about Gods plan Romans 10 and on gives details on various things.
>>77304405
We were talking about christianity in particular. Talking about other religions that don't make that particular claim is strawmanning. Sorry you have problems with keeping the appropriate context.
>>77303820
Let me just go and check on my evolving dog right now.
>>77304626
I thought by earthy you meant "away from god" aka secular reasoning.
>>77304729
Read what I said again and then come back here and see if this image makes sense as an answer.
>Blindly believing in a fucking book
>>77304352
Are you actually that stupid? Tell me how a dildo can transmit data to the human mind. It is literally a hunk of rubber. I seriously feel bad for you.
>>77304444
God is the creator. He knows all things.
>>77304729
This. Religion produced scholars.
>>77304444
Luke was a doctor, Paul was a teacher of the Law prior to conversion, Matthew was a tax collector
>>77304944
>muh science
The irony
>>77304944
It isn't blind. 27 years an atheist believing in that meme but its not true. The Bible is absolutely true and so is God.
>>77304510
Neither did people in the Bible
>>77305008
>not scientists
>>77304952
Dildos transmit data to the human mind. Just ask your mother.
>>77305051
Science isn't just reading books and memorizing them.
>>77304737
What I said in the first post you quoted, and what I said in the second post you quoted are the same.
No, I think I am less stupid than I was then, I am still stupid. So are you. We already agreed to this.
>>77305008
So no scientists then
>>77304944
It has some "good" points, thought. But its still better to accomplish morality through the scientific method since it offers unrestricted room for improvement and is more rigorous.
>>77304820
Nobody specified Christianity. You mentioned how your superior intellect doesnt accept God. You dont actually think that Christianity is the only religion with a God do you?
>>77296580
It makes them sound more interesting.
>>77304944
>Not understanding allegory
>>77305281
>accomplish morality through the scientific method
>>77305281
Wtf are you talking about? Morality through science? Science doesn't give a shit about you.
>>77304258
morality is just a word humans use to describe how we interact with each other
we make sounds with our mouths to explain things about ourselves, and creationists try to act like some of these "words" have magic powers, and come from something supernatural.
ants are always working together to form structures, and help each other out as a community. are they moral?
lions who give birth to pups feed and protect them with their lives. did lion moses tell them to?
monkeys pick bugs out of each others hair, live in communities and warn each other of dangers. do they also have morality?
social animals act certain ways because thats how they evolved. we are social animals, and we act a certain way because that is the way we have survived this long and continue to evolve today. since we have language, we call it "morality" when someone acts in a way a normal, social human would do. human "morality" is innate. the same way it's innate for a bird to bring worms back to it's nest for it's babies. if they didn't, they would die off. same goes for us.
morality isn't fucking magic, it's just the way we are. if we weren't, we wouldn't be here. simple as that. i don't know how religious people can't wrap their heads around this.
>>77305125
Yup had a feeling you were literally retarded. Sorry for arguing with you. Have a good night big guy.
>>77304911
You really want my answer for that? I'll hint by saying virtually every great scientist believed in God, and most of the major breakthroughs came from men who believed in God. Those who wrote the Bible were, in a sense better than ordinary men, they were messengers for God. We have had new messengers, the men I referred to previously.
>>77304698
What would the moral standard be without God.
I'm saying that without God you can't show that your reasoning is valid.
Logic and Reason are transcendent to the mind of God
Pretty much, For the first sentence, Read Romans 1:18-22
>>77305086
>Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
A sphere doesn't have an end where people could have been shaken off. It's not explicitly stated but it is implied. Or are you going to deny this as well?
inb4 >muh metaphor
>>77305503
Why are Americans for the most part this fucking stupid
>>77305096
Science was defined as any body of knowledge until very recently, when the marxists infiltrated the universities.
>>77296580
2 things that aren't mutually exclusive.
>>77305284
It's the only religion that is politically correct to persecute. As the majority of Western atheists adhere to neo-Marxist beliefs, this is why they almost always hone in on Christianity when they get upset.
>>77305460
As I stated: Defining whats good and then applying the scientific method on the definition leads to a more rigorous way of accomplishing the "good".
If you think any religious text is as rigorous or unrestricted like the scientific method please name that religion.
>>77305096
Natural science didn't exist until the 17th century, but tell me if you can find me a medieval intellectual who thought the earth was flat
>>77304307
Exactly. They know their position is fragile so they rabidly defend it.
>>77305284
What are you talking about? I specifally referred to the Jews that wrote the fucking Bible. Do you even know how to infer? Get some comprehensive reading skills. Fuck, you burgers need better education.
>>77296580
Well, I see no reason to adhere to any religious belief.
I make no distinction between Jesus and Thor/Zeus/Freya/Kali/Krishna/Hades etc.
I see all religion as a means to an end. Humanity is infinitely curious and we seek understanding. Religion offers an explanation. It is no coincidence that every civilization on earth developed a creation story and a diety. It explained the world they couldn't otherwise understand.
There is no evidence of the existence of the supernatural. Other than what has been written in various religious texts. However, Dr. Seuss also wrote books but nobody has taken it upon themselves to assume the Cat in the Hat is real.
Honestly, exceptional claims require exceptional evidence. I won't accept the existence of any gods unless it can be proven to me. That is called being skeptical.
There is a reason religion requires faith
>>77305503
>They were messengers from God because they said they were messengers from God.
>>77305689
No, you don't understand the difference between natural science and "social science" clearly
>>77305254
Natural science didn't exist back then
>>77304789
>since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
That's the problem, it hasn't been made plain, in fact it's very allegorical and shrouded in mysticism, most likely from the passage of time, but it might also be just from the original message
>>77305479
They also kill each other ruthlessly, rape each other, bully each other, consume their own young. Many others things. Are they moral?
>>77296580
>athiest
>skeptic
Motherfucker do you know words?
Athiests believe that god doesn't exist.
Agnostics claim they don't know.
between these two which one falls under the word skeptic?
>>77304051
How have you guys not realized that nobody except the dumbest Evangelicals actually believe in a guy in the sky. Youre either strawmanning or really stupid.
>>77305809
This.
Someone make this a copy pasta and just spam every religion thread with it. I'm tired of seeing this shit all over /pol/. It doesn't need to be discussed.
>>77305574
It would have to come about based on a community agreement for the good will of everyone. Of course everyone has their own beliefs, but it's a given that we have to obey a certain standard in society.
>I'm saying that without God you can't show that your reasoning is valid. Logic and Reason are transcendent to the mind of God
I really don't understand what you mean by this at all
>>77305647
Have you ever heard the expression See you at sun Rise or we meet at Night Fall?
>>77305928
>Not knowing what Agnostic means
>Not knowing you can be an Agnostic Atheist
>>77305051
So theists think a book on vague religious scriptures written by some schizo millennials ago is equivalent to books with empirical evidence and rationality. This is kind of thinking just shows how low IQ theists are.
>>77305928
Atheists are skeptic. They don't believe in god because it's the logical way. But if god shows himself, i no longer am a skeptic
>>77305846
You mean to say that not one thinker based their discourse on observable evidence from the Roman Empire to the Enlightenment? Are you fucking insane?
>>77305659
Not an argument.
>>77305829
Not an argument.
>>77305716
This is bullshit. It's just that most people bagging on atheists are fucking christfags. So when atheists start bagging on christfags they start this "persecution" rhetoric. Suck a dick. See OP. Ask why he's singling out atheists. Do it faggot.
Give me a logical reason to believe in God. Where is the proof? Why would I accept something written by someone else as the absolute truth? I'm not being edgy, I've always been an agnostic because to me it seems logical. I don't deny God's existence because there is no proof that he doesn't exist, but I also don't believe in God for the exact same reason. I want to understand why one would blindly believe in something with no proof to back it up.
>>77305832
You don't know how to read.
>>77306103
Yes it is. You really believe someone is a messenger from God just on their word?
>>77305928
No, what you're thinking of is a gnostic atheist, an agnostic atheist is very much a skeptic.
>>77304051
Whoa dude... I never thought about it like that. You are WAY different from the other atheists.
>>77306036
What is agnosticism?
>>77305893
It has, but we as humans suppress this truth in our unrighteousness, the same way an embezzler will make it in their mind that they did nothing wrong
>>77296580
I suppose I am worse than an atheist, but rather a maltheist.
I believe god is a sick asshole that created evil.
I mean, he created evil so we have free will, but why did he create ebola and anal worms. Seems a bit excessive. I mean he created billions of souls knowing in his all knowledge that they would burn in hell no matter what (I mean if he didn't know the future he wouldn't be all powerful now would he).
Then he had to go and be all vague about which religion is right so that millions would die because they couldn't agree which god was the biggest asshole.
All he he had to do was put a fucking bill board on the fucking moon saying worship me or burn in hell. No. He had a bunch of men write it down and argue about which translation was right so you have dozens of versions to pick from.
I think he just likes hearing people burn in hell and so does his followers.
>>77306213
The position of not knowing
>>77306086
You can't talk about science before the scientific method
>>77306038
I am pretty sure religious people fail to see the benefit of science since there is the possibility to use science for bad or good. We have to assume that science will be used for good in order to convince them.
>>77305996
Is logic material? Can I find it under a rock?
