I know a guy that made $15/hour in 1976 as an electrician. That is the equivalent of $62 now.
What the fuck happened to our economy?
>>77293801
Mass immigration
>>77293887
This and Jewish manipulation of currency.
>>77293801
NATO, NAFTA, Immigration, War on Poverty
>gommunism
>>77293801
inflation.
p.s. girl on the right has a better ass
>>77293801
I'm going to be honest. My ultimate fantasy is to bury my face in asses like that and lick their assholes.
>>77293801
it was a lot more dangerous to be an electrician in 1976
Everyone became obsessed with big butts
>>77293801
The median wage in 1976 is $11,379.
I agree with your assumptions but there's better ways to prove your point.
>>77294027
Yes she does anon..Yes she does..
>>77293801
>What the fuck happened to our economy?
Boomers crashed it with no survivors
>>77293801
Paco is willing to do it at 1/4th the price. These illegals are driving down are wages, causing mass amounts of crime, and use welfare at very high rates.
Oh, but they pick fruits which no one else would want to do so we need them.
Inflation ofc.
>>77293801
Who are these semen demons?
>>77293801
My grandfather is a plumber and charges around $90 an hour.
We started using debt as currency
>>77293801
conservatives
>>77293801
Electricians can still make pretty fucking good money.
Jews did 9/11.
>>77293801
US went off the gold standard three years prior
>>77293801
A lot of things OP, the economy as a whole shifted, the government turned to class warfare on everyone who wasn't college educated in order to justify policies that would devalue their work (and thus make things cheaper for rich people labor wise). Wealthy corporations took control of everything slowly, corporations took over agriculture in the 80s and trade policies by the early 90's, immigration policies were put in place to cut labor costs in the mid 90's (because fuck anyone who works below CEO level), the media got bought out in the early 2000's, the government took over the internet post 2008 to watch everyone, I mean it's shit dude.
The corporations have convinced everyone that "college" is the solution to all of their financial problems (instead of people actually focusing on fixing their financial issues by getting creative about production and selling, which is essentially how economies work). The government has convinced America they need to spend 100k on college, 100k on a house- that doesn't leave much spending for investments like building a business and whatever else.
>>77293801
>>77294524
Yeah now Electrican gets $25/hr + 25/hr of benefits.
>>77293887
>being this utterly moronic
>>77293801
Simple. Wages were not adjusted for cost of living and inflation.
Furthermore, syndicates and unions were crushed. Production was moved overseas, due to companies getting greedy.
Lastly, overpopulation.
All about profits now, all the wealth is being siphoned to the top, and while the average persons quality of life is declining by the year, the rich are living more and more extravagant lifestyles
mass immigration, flood of cheap labor
outsourcing, sending all demand for jobs overseas
cheap credit flooding the US with consumer debt and making everything more expensive
>>77295028
mass immigration pushes down wages, retard
>>77293801
You can make more than that as an electrician now, if you aren't shit.
The answer to your question is in your post. Do you know enough about economics to figure it out? If not you should probably never ever discuss economics.
>>77293801
I made $54 an hour stacking shelves last Saturday and Sunday, total of 16 hours so $864 AUD before tax.
>>77295028
30 million illegal immigrants, of course they depress wages, that's basic economics.
And you forgot to mention that women entered the workforce
>>77295217
I love Australia.
>>77295028
>Not knowing a shit about economy
Do you even know what social dumping mean ?
>>77294519
I don't care if she is a boy, I'd date her.
>>77295407
Just checked my payslip got $1,500 last week, gotta go back to work tomorrow, I only work 4 days a week.
>>77295407
>>77295663
>>77295217
Isn't shit in Australia ridiculously expensive?
>What the fuck happened to our economy?
We exported our working class to the Third World. Look at what average wages have increased by over the past 40 years in all the shitty countries compared to the West.
As a consequence, we don't really have jobs for unskilled labour here anymore, meaning the working class here has degenerated to meth addiction and gibs.
>>77295217
>AUD
lel
>>77293887
oy vey
>>77293801
capitalism happened
i.e. the transfer of wealth
everyone answering anything else is wrong
>>77295856
Not that much, he's still earning a lot.
After WWII, the US was the only industrialized country left untouched by war. By the late 20th century, the rest of the world was catching up. This put all sorts of pressure on American wages.
So go ahead and blame Jews, the boogeyman, or whatever. But the reality is that you have to bring something to the table to make yourself competitive.
-NAFTA
-Not limiting immigration
-Immigration act following JFK's assassination
>>77295856
Yeah but if you're smart you can live really well. The biggest thing that is shit is housing, you can get cheap houses outside of the major cities, no job there though.
>>77295895
Hur dur
>>77293801
Inflation, and cuckservatives stupid enough to believe inflation is caused my raising minimum wage.
>>77294594
Do you watch True Capitalist Radio?
>>77296007
And still lying.
>>77295028
>enable free movement of labor
>labor moves to where there is an abundance of capital
>surplus labor results in suppressed wages
This is like econ 101
>>77293801
petrodollar, immigration, nafta, etc
>>77296280
I wish the USD would inflate some more.
It made it extremely cheap for me to import stuff from your guys back 3 years ago.
>>77294790
More than that familia
Women and third worlders are crowding the workforce and suppressing wages and technological unemployment.
>>77293801
Reaganomics.
>>77293801
Fat
>>77295663
Fuck you, man.
>>77293801
Electricians make that much now.
>>77296534
Sick meme
>>77294208
And the median hourly wage for an electrician today is $24.94 according to http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm
In Norway that is 208kr an hour, lets say we work an average of 40 hours a week then that is 33k a month. That is 399360kr yearly. That is living very comfortably with a nice house, a car, vacation, possibly cabin in the woods and small boat. And you probably have a wife that works as well with a salary around the 300k yearly.
What the fuck is the complaint about?
>>77293801
Well, we actually don't have to work as much as in 1976 to Buy ourselves something like a car, TV or house. I think it shifted to the positive
>>77296705
>>77296705
this skilled tradesmen often make 40-60/hr
globalization/asia is the core problem.
i read a arctile adidas has now a speedfactory( robots do shoes) and made in germany is comming back
>be poorfag eating dinner with well-to-do yuppie lawyer uncle and his spoiled wife
>they're talking about some person that used to work at a paper selling ads in the 80's
>one of them mentions this person made 30k a year
>immediately the other chimes in with "that was a lot of money back then!"
>im trying not to die inside
thats a lot of money now!
>>77293801
Mass immigration keeping wages low.
>>77293801
I'm in my mid 40s, so not as old, but:
I made 10 an hour doing general grunt level construction roofing in HS back in the late 80s. At 16 or 17 years old. Most of the mid 20s and up guys who did the actual roofing made like 18 or 22 or so an hour, and supported families.
I am now in my mid 40s and middle management for a corporation. Entry level employees here at age 21 make 9.50 an hour to start and it barely goes up 25 or 30 cents a year.
Illegal immigration has destroyed wages in the usa.
>>77296633
If you're are white move over here and I'll get you a job. Fucking sick of all the Indians and Muslims that they hire.
US allowed the corporations too much influence on policy.
>>77296986
>illegal immigrant electricians
>>77293801
I would love to eat those assholes
>>77297641
c'mon, Jamal, toss dat salad, nigger.
>>77297231
You realize we have legal immigration on a massive scale intentionally designed to keep wages low right?
>>77293801
My gpa made ~24/hr in 1983 working at john deere
>>77293801
Women's labor force.
>>77294027
>>77294274
>>girl
>>77297920
You want capitalism, this is what you get.
You can blame immigration all you want, but that is merely a symptom. Trying to fix it gets you called a socialist and people ignore everything else you try and say.
>>77293887
FPBP
>>77295856
It's okay. Stay away from the cities and you can live comfy as fuck but at the same time we have a lot of stupid laws and run the border of becoming a complete and utter nanny state, even though we're practically one already
Sparkies get about $1,200-1,300 a week take home plus bennies.
>>77293801
We doubled our work force by allowing women to work and then devalued low wage jobs further by allowing immigration to replace investing in communities and opened up trade making it free rather then fair.
>>77294027
will gladly take the left
>teamwork
>>77296891
I call BS on that.
I'm an electrical engineer, and I don't make that much.
You're talking about a base salary of 120k+ for a tradesman.
I know union electricians that make much more than that, but that's with a shit ton of overtime.
>>77297231
It doesn't have to be just electricians you dumbfuck. Put them anywhere and they displace American workers who then saturate other fields of labor.
Pic related, basic economics for your pea sized brain
>>77294594
>posts photo of like $800 USD in silver
ok guy, good luck buying 2 weeks worth of food when the economy collapses.
>>77298681
True teamwork would be one of you taking the ass while the other takes the pussy and another takes the mouth and another takes an ear and another takes a nostril
>>77295217
>AUD
What are those? Pesos?
>>77296843
No no no. You are way off on your math.
$35K in US is slightly below middle class.
I know, because I make it. $75 Annually is middle class. You make $125-75k a year. You shouldnt have to many complaints. Except school debt.
>>77298702
$40/h is 120k salary now?
>>77293801
>that fat ass on the left
i want to shove my nose as far up her shit hole as i can and take long, deep, lung filling inhales until i experience a mind blowing orgasm, pass out, enter a lucid dream and repeat the whole process again.
>>77299029
No, my coworker makes that. He told me he makes 89k a year. Taxes kill you
>>77295624
same
>>77295217
>>77295407
its a shame the internet in Australia is shit
>>77293801
I'm a 24 y/o electrician and make exactly that much plus overtime and bonuses
What the fuck happened to you?
>>77299127
He must work a fair bit of overtime
>>77295028
>overpopulation is a problem but mass immigration isn't
Huh?
>>77293801
I'm a 24 y/o electrician and make exactly that much plus OT and bonuses
What the fuck happened to you?
>>77294790
maybe union electricians in commercial/industrial construction, or electricians that own their own buisness.
Trump isn't joking about how shit the economy is bros. He wants to bring back those wages and knows how. We've been getting cucked for so long we think it is normal.
>>77293801
Women and migrants in the workforce
>>77294483
this, electricians make $100 dollar an hour now dip shit
>>77294708
underrated post
>>77299376
>I'm a 24 y/o electrician and make exactly that much plus OT and bonuses
I'm a person with a brain
No you dont
>>77298364
Immigration has nothing to do with capitalism you fucking moron. The borders are supposed to be controlled by the government.
>>77299636
No, they don't, dipshit.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Electrician/Hourly_Rate
>>77299737
Yes, it does. It is more profitable for an employer to hire a cheap 3rd worlder. This is the market self-regulating.
>>77298797
Aussies never disappoint...
if he has silver then chances are he already has at least a months supply of food and water along with guns and ammo.
>>77294708
This paints an incredibly bleak picture. As an 18 year old I really wish I could have experienced America before all of this happened
>>77299227
People say Electricians make shittons but the average pay is 25/hr according to most sources. That's good but people claim they make much more, 40-60 dollars an hour.
What am I missing? Unions, overtime, benefits being included? What makes the statistics of BLS so off? Why do they claim that you guys make $25.00 an hour, 50k/yearly? The statistics for that must be counted differently because what people claim Electricians make is a lot more.
>>77299227
what are you in the IBEW ?
even linemen rarely make 62/hr.
>>77299970
jesus christus, how long a study for electrician?
>>77293801
>I'm only a 19yo electrician apprentice and I already make $130/h plus benefits on top of that.
Any electrician that makes less than that is a cuck.
>>77299737
If people weren't hiring immigrants for cheap labor, would they still come?
People want cheap labor. That could mean having your factories overseas, or hiring illegal immigrants. Anything to reduce cost and increase profit.
>>77294790
I started as an electrician a month ago. I'm making $11/hr familia
19 and first job btw
Don't electricians make good money? I thought they did. My buddy is an electrician, part of a union, and he claims to make over six figures a year.
Another buddy of mine is an ex-electrician. He got shocked. Blown the fuck off a ladder. Has permanent injuries.
>>77300084
>cuck
Comment discarded.
>>77299970
Probably unions. Here in the Bay Area I started at 27/hr as an apprentice carpenter and I'm pretty sure electricians make the same. You become a Journeyman after four years and make about 50/hr.
>>77300262
What do you do as a carpenter apprentice?
>>77299970
I'm thinking its Unions, commercial/industrial electricians, and small business owners (who aren't counting overhead costs.)
>>77295028
> t. massimmigrant
>>77300262
you know most unions don't let young people join, right? you literally need a family member inside to join.
and you're not alowed to work if you're non-union. it's why they're called right to work states. in california, you literally don't have the RIGHT to work unless unions grant permission.
>>77300212
>Another buddy of mine is an ex-electrician. He got shocked. Blown the fuck off a ladder. Has permanent injuries.
How dangerous is being an Electrician? I hear shit about people getting hit by things, falling off ladders, getting electrocuted, etc. What are the dangers and how common are they?
I'm considering dropping out of my Accounting degree, but I'm not sure it's worth less school/the money if I end up getting electrocuted
>>77300262
>>77300383
So the average is just brought down by non-Union people, and most Electricians don't really make that much?
>>77300262
fucking hell $27USD p/h for a carpentry apprenticeship? Thats bloody awesome m8 you should be pinching yourself.
Mature age carpentry apprentice in Aus here and im on $20aud p/h which is well above the award rate.
>>77293801
Never post a picture more interesting than the topic
>>77294708
good post
At those times women in the workforce were less than 50%. Women entering the workforce effectively halved salaries.
But muh strong independent woman right?
>>77300424
you're not gonna get a job as an electrician. just a warning.
>>77300412
I'm a veteran so I got in immediately through Helmets to Hardhats.
>>77300363
I do simple framing right now. Carpentry is extremely broad so I could be doing any number of things in construction.
>>77300545
I know I'm very fortunate but the pay is so high because the cost of living and everything else here is so expensive.
>>77300046
1 year apprenticeship i think then you take journeyman test. That's is but there is always more to learn and specialize in.
Compare it to High Voltage line work where you work as a "grunt" for 1-2 years before your apprenticeship then you apprentice 2-3 years before you make journeyman. You still only make a little more than electricians and take about 10 times the risk.
>>77300545
it's because your country is full of tradies who can't be assed to learn math, so you guys hit things with hammers, then go to the bar to hit people with bottles.
>>77300622
Why?
>>77300721
lucky you. because of veterans preferences a lot of banks, nonprofits, etc were SUED by the DAV and other vets associations and FORCED to end their college hiring programs.
it's one of the reasons why people inside banks just hire their nephews, because people like you sue them when they hire college grads instead of retarded enlistees.
>>77300533
bingo, also depends largely on your state and the nature of your work.
You also have to think about much money you have to spend on your own tools and equipment.
residential electricians < industrial electricians
>>77296843
>That is 399360kr yearly. That is living very comfortably with a nice house, a car, vacation, possibly cabin in the woods and small boat.
ahh.. except all those things will be paid with money borrowed from the banks, effectively making you a debt-slave for your entire adult life.
We don't have to go back many generations before those things were possible without bank loans.
>>77293801
Inflation.
Also, sauce on those mamacitas.
>>77300006
>>77729970
Not in a union. I build panels at an engineering firm. I'm smarter than you're average bear so I have more authority over design changes than a typical electrician.
>>77299722
Well you're wrong. Don't know what else to tell ya bud.
>>77301055
enjoy your job not existing in 5 years
>>77293887
the importation of half the third world, feminism and jews.
>>77300936
they let retards into professions so that the competition drives down teh price of labor and enslaves smart people to loans.
I don't really care if dumb people are enslaved, but companies have to enslave smart people to earn higher margins because their profit margins are ruined by taxes and shit, and ruined by having to hire idiots which ruin profit as a matter of legal mandate.
shit sux. smart people working 5 hours a day create enough profit to lift up an entire society. but when companies need to start hiring retards, tha profit quickly disappears under welfare and wasteful hiring, and now smart people need to work 10 hours a day
>>77301153
Salty as fuck lol
>>77301055
so you're more than an electrician, you direct design... you should clarify before you get a bunch of anons horny for a career change.
Also here in Texas the Mexicans are pushing out white people with lower wage expectancy, even in trades
>>77295028
Where not adjusted?
By fucking who? The wage police?
It's simple supply and demand. The supply of labourers have increased more than the demand. Therefore the value of each labourer has gone down.
>>77301020
sauce is young women who have kids, get nicer butts :D
>>77300859
there's 30 applicants for every job. most states are not right to work, which means you need to apply to the union first. they can, and do, just say no, and have been for 20 years.
they also legaly cap working hours, which creates a deficit of supply, which drives up cost, but YOU are usually not allowed to freelance.
if I could snap my fingers and kill every union member in the country I'd do it five times.
>>77301287
I know someone who is importing mexicans from CALIFORNIA to do electrician work in NORTH DAKOTA.
it's getting bad bro
>>77299227
what happens if you can't get hired, are you just S.O.L. til someone hires you?
>>77301235
No but you will be
>>77301619
I dunno man. where do you think all these people in this thread with specific knowledge about not getting a job in electrician shit came from to shitpost?
really makes you think...
>>77297231
Wow, it's like you've never been to California before.
>>77301357
Sounds like pipeline construction jobs in most states, its a buddy system based largely on nepotism.
Teamsters sit on their ass all day in a bus making $20/hr to drive people out to job site... wait all day, then drive them back.
"oilers and spotter" aka someones wife/girlfriend/daughter sits under an umbrella next to a pump all day and fill up tanks from time to time. OR they relay hand signals to equipment operators and sit in a truck all day... Make 20-25/hr.
Meanwhile men in trenches who receive most of the deaths and injuries as laborers make 15-18/hr
>>77300883
>because people like you sue them when they hire college grads instead of retarded enlistees
That's a big projection considering how many Americans are veterans. And there's nothing stopping you from serving your country and taking advantage of the benefits rather than complaining on an Libyan dish making forum.
>>77300602
>Women entering the workforce effectively halved salaries.
It's also important to note that women flocked to admin work and killed off men in low to mid level positions. Women are content to spend a career there because they frequently have their spouse's income, it's not physically demanding and they can leave and return fairly easy after raising children. Admin work used to be a great way for men to move up in a company.
It's weird to see an old movie and they had all kinds of male clerks and shop assistants as characters.
>>77301832
Well sure? anyone would be upset if they lost their job.
But why are you so sure of me losing my job vs anyone else ITT?
>>77299896
>This is the market self-regulating.
No its the federal govt not doing its job, and boomers exploiting the situation for short term profit.
>>77300109
>If people weren't hiring immigrants for cheap labor, would they still come?
If they were prevented from entering or promptly deported instead of being given benefits they wouldn't be as likely to take the risk to get here. I do agree we should fine and give long prison terms to people who hire illegals.
>>77302187
when republicans talk about removing regulations on businesses this is precisely what they're talking about, you idiot.
you can't run a business if the DAV is going to sue you for hirng the wrong proportion of employes according to a federally created list that changes every 2 years.
that's why they just hire internally, shuting out normal eople. go fuck yourself.
>>77301986
yup. no union member is innocent. they need to have their assets stripped from them for profiting off of corruption and be permanently banned from their trades.
>>77302431
most office work is make-work. the entire system from the ground up is a prostitution scheme fro management.
girls sleep their way through business school, then sleep their way into a job, then sleep their way into promotions.
it's the most expensive prostitution scheme ever invented.
>>77302506
Idk about electricians specifically, but I do know that the trade sector in my country is going through unprecedented job shortages. Mechanics, repairmen, professions that were considered among the most stable and secure just a decade ago are mass enrolling in unis and IT schools for a career change. The trade schools meme I keep seeing the altright spouting is way off course.
>>77293801
>>77297231
I own a contracting company they are very real and a very real threat to my business. They undercut everything because they have no licensing fees, business taxes or insurance to pay for, and consumers for the most part just want what's cheapest.
>>77303005
lol everywhere from china to poland there's a job shortage, and boomers call us lazy because we can't find work,and they tell us to just get another cert, as if the jobs will suddenly exist afterward
kek. I can't wait until millennials pull the plug on their cancer ridden parents
>>77294282
fuck, I want to kill those old people after reading this
>>77298993
How expensive is shit in the US? I thought Norway was expensive... If we turn those money in to NOK that is a lot of money that lets you live comfortable.
1 US dollar is 8 NOK.
$35 is 280000NOK
$75k is 600k
To me that is a lot of money. Maybe because i've been poor my whole life but i can't see what the fuck the complaint is about. I just don't see how people are struggling to live on that money? Are your priorities super materialistic or something?
>>77300936
Not really, the house for sure, possibly the car and the cabin. But that is how 90% of people do it.
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=4CwE
The main issue. Everyone is making roughly the same amount of money as 30 years ago. But asset(Primarily homes) and service(.edu and medical) prices have skyrocketed well-over inflation rates in the same period.
>>77303198
I don't get it. We can't all just sit on benefits forever it's unsustainable. What's happens then? Do people die?
>>77293801
Companies make shit in China for almost nothing. They ship and sell that shit in the US for massive profit. CFOs take that money and ship it to offshore accounts so it can't be taxed as hard as if it was in the US.
Manufacturing goes to China. US labor rates collapse. Everyone works for fast food places. Can't contribute to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as much as is needed. Entitlement programs collapse. Economy collapses. Revolution. Trump made POTUS.
Things change.
>>77293801
>>77303271
what's a lot of money, you listed two salaries
from what I can see america is more expensive than europe in ALL regards except taxes. gving birth in a hospital costs 20k dollars WITH insurance. insurance rose an average of 60% just LAST YEAR. rent in a good neighborhood where you won't get shot to death starts at 900$ a month for a solo apartment.
america is the most expensive country on the planet, as far as I've ever seen, and I'm pretty well traveled.
>>77303458
no one knows. someone has to die. so it's a matter of who and when. do young people starve to death while boomers life with plenty, and spend 40k dollars a year in government spending on healthcare, whilst young people make 16k a year?
or do young people just flip out and kill old people.
or do niggers kill us? (seems more likely.)
no one knows. billinaires are begnning to withdraw assets from the market fwiw
>>77303271
>But that is how 90% of people do it.
and that's the problem. Btw it's more like 99.99%
Globalism.
>>77301357
unions are pretty boss if you are in one though. in case you havn't been paying attention the private sector has been getting worse and worse for fucking years.
also I can see why companies hate them. around where i live the unions literally tell companies who they are hiring
>>77295217
Yeah nah
>>77303271
To give you an idea of expenses...
Car insurance is anywhere from $80-$250 a month depending on the state. Florida for me is $220/month.
Cell phone with internet is anywhere from $80-$100/month
Gas is anywhere from $20-$50/week
Food varies but I can easily spend $20/day on food
Rent, if you have your own place it's going to be about $800/month on the low-end plus electricity or whatever, so let's say about $900-$1000/month. Although if you're living on 35k you're likely to rent a room, which is anywhere from $500-$700/month.
If you have a car loan that's another $150-$300/month
Add in small bullshit expenses, like clothes, house supplies, toilet paper, dish soap, car registration fees, and so on - the money goes quick.
I've spoken with immigrants from South America and they say to me that this country is not meant for one person to make it on their own, you have to have 2 people.
>inb4 hurr hurr I make 100k a year and I'm 25
Congrats, 99% of the population is not you
>>77298474
I know people in /pol/ romanticised rural living but it's just not for me. I'm moving in a genetrified neighborhood and from what i'm seeing, it looks great. More young people moving in driving out black and poor people out. it's great!
>>77303271
It honestly depends on where you live. If you live in New York or the bay area rent is above $2000/month for 1 bed room apartments.
If you live in Wyoming or the Dakota's, you can probably buy a comfy 4 bedroom house for less than $200k.
>>77298735
thats basic common sense, increase supply of labor will lower wages. You dont need graphs for that.
>>77295028
>Lastly, overpopulation.
While arguing that mass immigration has nothing to do with it. New levels of retarded
>>77304002
if I was a warlordand I could slaughter ozzie men and rape their women, that would ALSO be pretty boss if you are in one
fuck unions. anyone in one needs to be legally puished.
>>77304200
You're incredibly wrong. Oil has made shit in ND expensive as fuck.
Wyoming real estate is extremely expensive now thanks to Californians. My family lives there.
>>77293981
this above anything though
fuck you fucking 1st worlders, i have master's in law and earn exactly 3.5 dollars per fucking hour. What isnt so bad in this 4th world to be honest, but still, when i see fucking physical workers earning 60 bucks per hour, it makes me wanna kill myself. I dont even want to know how much lawyer apprentices earn across the pond
>>77304407
that's the irony.
how did some of the shittiest real estate in the country become the most expensive?
it's the only place to escape from niggers. sometimes you have to price them out, sometimes you have to move into the middle of a fucking desert. eventually, you have to pay half a million for a house in the middle of adesert, just to kind of, somewhat, get away from niggers.
america the great
>>77304407
Well shit. I guess the only really cheap places now are in the deep south.
>>77304488
you're muslim, you deserve it
also, our few workers who make 60 an hour for physical labor are leeches. they simply passed laws to give themselves more money and deny it to others. it's not common.
>>77304488
>stfu retard, they have higher cost of housing and living in general.
average american has $500 saving to his name, which is ridiciluous if you consider how much more they earnt than we do
>>77304488
Yeah but your degrees are shit. Your countrymen say you can simply pay to pass a class you don't feel like studying for.
>>77303271
$35k is considered to be basically lower class here. People complain about costs but desu I easily live on <$30k/year even though I make $70k. Obviously it depends on the state you live in. In Texas a man can support a family comfortably with a small house for $50k but in San Francisco anything less than $100k is basically impoverished.
>>77304002
>unions are pretty boss if you are in one though
Thats the problem though, it leads system of nepotism and a buddy system. I'm not even going to mention the corruption, bullying, and organized crime.
Lazy and unproductive people are kept around and overpaid because they have been in the union long enough.
Which is a better someone who can drive a commercial vehicle AND work as laborer if needed, or a whiny teamster who refuses to do anything but drive.
This thread sums up why /pol/ is shit.
You were so close to identifying the bourgeoisie as the enemy but immediately settled on "it's the immigrants and kikes!!!"
This is the most Class-Cucked place on the internet.
>>77304373
ya bud but government regulation and fear of unions gaining more power is the ONLY thing keeping the private sector from raping the fuck out of workers.
i'm not saying unions aren't fucked in a lot of ways, but they are a necessary evil. I mean maybe you want to work 365 days a year 14 hours a day with 1 5 minute bathroom break, no health insurance, no safety well, anything, for 35 cents an hour but i really don't.
Someone has to check big business man, someone has to.
>>77304407
Whats funny is on "Silicon Valley", they mentioned that Jackson Hole was some billionaire hangout. I was wondering why Wyoming was so popular all of a sudden.
>>77304488
It's more EXPENSIVE here you dumbfuck. It's called COST OF LIVING.
All that education and you don't even have common sense or critical thinking skills.
>>77304200
I just bought a 3 bedroom house for $170k in Texas. My total monthly payment is $1200. 2 miles from my work too, so my gas expenses are very low.
>>77304123
>$220/month on car insurance
Jesus, Do you drive a high end car for several hours each day in city traffic or something?
>>77304834
couldn't have said it better myself.
>>77304754
that's mostly the result of niggers and mexicans who have 80 iq points. fully 25% of ALL american households subsist completely on welfare with NO workers in the entire house.
also, even the whites here are kind of stupid. they work 60 hour weeks to pay for some fat bitch's stepchildren. it really is quite absurd.
>>77304856
Because liberals like to make shit policies and then run away from them. Rinse and repeat.
>tfw make $15/hr as a pharmacy technician
>tfw dead-end job
>tfw no aspirations for the future
>tfw I wake up and exist throughout the day, only seeking solace in funny racist posts on /pol/
>>77304834
>bourgeoisie
is this a fancy tearm for baby boomers
from wikipedia:
> a certain cultural and financial capital belonging to the middle or upper stratum of the middle class
>>77304982
I have a 6 month plan and mine is like almost $700. Cars fucking suck.
>>77304173
>I know people in /pol/ romanticised rural living but it's just not for me.
Depends on how well you can blend with the locals and whether you can find a decent enough job. After those to obstacles there comes the problem of women. By 20 most are either married, single mothers, or have moved away, only to return as single mothers in a few years.
>>77304834
It is the immigrants. A financial elite will always exist in every functional capitalist society and I have no desire to live in a socialist paradise with living conditions of this fine post-commie paradise >>77304488
>>77304978
What city/town?
>>77304982
No, I just have decent coverage so that if I get in a car wreck with a $50,000-$60,000 car I don't get sued.
Florida state is very expensive for insurance. Before I hit 26 I was paying $270/month. My sister has a regular car and she pays around $220. My mom pays around $200 as well and she has an SUV.
>>77304851
lol
you're a fucking idiot
if the business legitimately produces value, the company won't fuck its workers because it will want the BEST people and it will have to earn their loyalty
if you think our economy should be built around useless shit, which provides no actual value, therefore the labor doesn't actually matter, therefore a worker is just a negative sum on a balance sheet, for example, amazon, or walmart, etc, yeah sure.
companies that provide REAL value, like genetics research, or medical, do NOT need unions because they don't treat teir staff like shit.
sorry you work at ross dress fro less
>>77304982
Unless you have like a 1996 beat-up piece of shit you're going to pay a lot of money for insurance
>>77294790
Truth in this. Union Instrumentation/Electrical Tech here (unions are fucking useless)
Cleared $100k last year in South Louisiana. I live pretty well.
>>77304982
illegal mexicans where I live cause NINETY PERCENT of accidents and almost ALL of the fatalities. the worse the crime is, the higher proportion it is a minority.
none of them have health or car insurance, so the white man has to pay for it. any given service where white man pays for beaner man rises at least 20% yearly, every year
>>77294282
I'd agree with this whole thing if it didn't imply that global warming is real.
>>77305274
yep, you better close donw borders austria. you'll get fucked like germany.
I have relatives in Austria and Switzerland who claim fucking Germans try to migrate to their countries too in search for better job opportunities.
let me repeat this: GERMANS migrating to fucking AUSTRIA and SWITZERLAND because they fucked up their own counry with mass immigration
>>77305178
How old are you? $700 annual is high for anyone over 25 with a regular car.
>>77305310
They can still sue you despite insurance?
>>77301055
>I'm smarter than you're average bear
Should've attended more English classes tho
Minimum I make 200$ in 15 minutes. Usually it's 350-450$ in 30-35 minutes. 1/3 of times its 750-850$. feels good to be a hair stylist.
>>77305638
$700 over here that is.
>>77293887
>FPBP
>>77295217
Be glad the average shelf stocker here can't afford to travel abroad.
>>77294483
Ye, even shop plumbers average 75k as long as they can upsell. That's how trades are now though, you gotta be able to sell.
I make over 20 an hour in my first year in my trade and sometimes clear 2k and I'm considered on the low end among my massive list of friends in the trade. 6 figs is very common with some of my friends clearing 200k not even working for themselves. I charge 80 an hour for sidework and build in 120 an hour for my company (though they are flat rate), there are hidden costs to doing work yourself though so what you bill does not equate to what you earn.
>>77305543
What is it with Mexicans driving the wrong way on the freeway? That's wierdly common. You know that's the reason the Navy secured all alcohol and liberty in Oki? A Mexican ordnance handler driving drunk the wrong way. It's happened several times in the states.
>>77304740
Croat? Muslim? What the fuck is wrong with you ignorat piece of lard, over 90% of Croats are catholics, me among them
>>77304754
do you even know what arrow means? Definitely not what you think it does, you are using it wrong. Anyway, yes, they have higher costs of living, but how much higher exactly? i doubt its 15 times higher t.b.h. Their fucking electricians make 60 bucks per hour and i will make, when pass the bar and become a real laywer, after 5 years of college, 3 years of apprenticeship and year of preparing for exam at the bar (pravosudni), 5.6 dollars per hour. Fuck this gay earth
>>77304793
Law faculty in Zagreb is serious business. I have yet to hear about paying to pass here, maybe it happens on other faculties but not at mine
>>77305571
> GERMANS migrating to fucking AUSTRIA
Yeah they've been cucking shit up here for decades. Switzerland passed its stricter migration laws to primarily stop the Germancucks from going there, not even memeing
>>77305352
you are correct, in that system you describe(and the one we are heading towards) the top 10 percent, or 5 percent, or whatever jobs still get paid well and treated decently. Meanwhile the rest of the 90 percent of the population lives in extreme poverty.
I'm happy for you that you feel so confident you are in that 10 percent, but i don't want to live in the fucking third world, because that's exactly how it is. Most of the population is fucked and a few people have a decent life.
>>77305009
>also, even the whites here are kind of stupid. they work 60 hour weeks to pay for some fat bitch's stepchildren. it really is quite absurd.
I work 60hrs a week to pay back college debt because high school counselors gave us the "million more in a lifetime !" meme over and over and the previous
>>77299376
>I'm a 24 y/o electrician and make exactly that much plus OT and bonuses
And give half of it to a union
>>77293801
This -- >>77294027
1971 Nixon closed the gold window and our government decided to start printing endless money to pay for wars and social programs. And credit cards being introduced shortly thereafter are proof that we have been cheated out of just wages for 40+ years.
There has been no real growth since the early 70s and the economy is a little more than a bubble of credit, debt based "growth".
>>77305571
that is what leftists do.
they do that in America as well. they enact their shit policies in places like California and NY then go and move to a red state like Texas or Montana. then they try to do the same thing there. Now red states are turning blue. Leftists don't blame it on brown people or immigrants, no. they blame it on poverty and "systematic disenfranchisement against minorities". they are sick in the head. they are like a virus.
>>77305644
>checked
I'm just high as fuck and typing too fast right now senpai
I'm usually a grammar nazi myself.
>>77305800
yeah I'm so glad that beaner bitch is handing ordinance. they should execute her before she loads a torpedo backwards too.
fuck them. they speed up and try to outrun pedestrians at crosswalks.
I seriously want them all to die.
>>77305816
we have several anons in this thread that dilineate the cost of living, which is the minimum to simply eat, not get arrested, and sometimes also not get shot to death by niggers.
america is the most expensive country in the WORLD ex. switzerland.
>>77305638
If your insurance only covers damage to a car that's worth $20,000 and most new cars today sell for $30,000-$50,000 and you total their car, who is going to cover that additional $10,000-$30,000?
You are, they will sue you for it. They nickel and dime you for everything here.
>>77294030
Do it and they'll beg for your cock next. Right looks nice and tight. But left has padding enough to take my cock to the hilt without obliterating her cervix.
inflation
>>77299970
>BLS
According to them the average income doing what I do is only like 40k meanwhile they claim the average income for my last occupation was 120k. From my experience they are just inaccurate.
>>77306229
wtf...
>>77304123
My car insurance is $230 for 6 months. Are you driving an expensive new car around? Don't complain about expensive costs you put on yourself.
A decent cell phone plan can be had for $30/month if you are smart and don't need ridiculous amounts of data.
Your gas expenses are ridiculous. Move closer to work or stop complaining.
I can eat for $10 a day. You obviously eat out alot.
>NEET, college dropout
>considering studying to become an electrician
>general NEET mentality holding me back
>>77301357
As my fellow Union brothers say - they hate us, cause they ain't us.
>>77304975
check here >>77305816 , of course expenses are higher but not THAT much. I make 820 dollars a month (3.5$ / hour) and pay 70 bucks of utilities. I highly doubt people who make 10.5k dollars a month (60$ an hour), pay 1200$ of utilities, aka 17 times more. Same with food and everything else, its more expensive but i sincerely doubt its 17 times more expensive
>>77305821
its really hard for me to comprehend this. Germany, such a strong economical force, cucks its native citizens to the point they have to emigrate to nearby countries to have a decent living wage..
and now we should listen to that cunt angela merkle and adopt their stupid policies in the rest of EU.
I'm throwing a fucking party on 24th if Brittain votes leave and this shit union starts collapsing. We were better off before entering it anyways.
>>77305950
you live in the third world because you insist on working at, and giving money to, comanies that don't produce REAL value.
not only the top 10% of jobs create value by some necessity. EVERY job in the economy can create value if it is deregulated.
we have an economy that organizes labor around useless tasks by FEDERAL MANDATE. I like to compare it to middle eastern economies where the state makes laws that demand all labor must be organized to the benefit of Islam, so their money all goes to fucking goats and burning christians alive. not very productive right?
well neither is our economy where retards like you insist on depriving hard working people to pay for fat people to have medical care. our economy is fundamentaly a waste. you INSIST on the waste, then call me, with aproductive job, "lucky."
go fuck yourself. when our economy is organized around mandated waste, parasites like you can only benefit from stealing a piece of the pie.
if you look at east asian countries they PUNISH people like you who insist on organizing the economy around waste. they let fat people pay for their own heart surgeries or die.
>>77305954
sry bro. it kind of just shows how stupid we are though. why would a piece of paper get you a job?
it kind of implies that the distribution of jobs is centrally controlled. if it's centrally controlled, that means they decide who gets what. it's a fake ecoomy.
>>77306406
t. One-upper
Not everyone can live in Oklahoma
>>77294027
You sir...are correct!
>>77306604
sounds like your country sucks then.
>>77293887
fpbp
>>77293801
my entire front page
>>77306347
virgin detected. destroying a girls cervix is actually a really big problem, gotta be careful.
>>77293981
Spbp
>>77293887
FPBP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ
>>77307044
ok great, stop trying to derail the thread shill. fuck off.
>>77295624
>>77299176
aussie pop star from the 80s/90s...she's actually pretty old, but still looks good.
>>77306705
How do you think Germany is able to have muh stronk economy in the first place? Germany is the China of Europe.
>>77293994
What the fuck does nato have to do with the economy
>>77307239
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yeah like this discussion is 'great" faggot
kys
>>77306843
Cannot argue there. Too bad not even other european countries recognize law degree from here (few that do are not worth mentioning), let alone overseas countries so i am stuck here for next 40 years. I am not saying i complain about life here, living better than a lot of people, but when remind myself how much could i have made if had been born somewhere else or finished something IT related... Its just not fair
>>77295154
L O L XDDDDDD SEND THEM BACK RMIGHTR? L<OL TRUMP 2012
>>77306488
At my CC you just have to take an English class, college level math class, and 12-13 electrical classes for the Certificate.
>>77307416
covering cost of NATO member military...also maintaining basis in Europe and military adventurism with them.
>>77307553
This brings me to another question - is it better to get an Electrical certificate or Associate's degree? The difference at my CC is only 1 extra electrical related class, the rest of the associate's is just bullshit lib arts/science padding type shit to make it a 2 year degree.
>>77307460
what's your deal, dude?
you see these lucky fags making 60k and get jeaous.
guess what? the average wage for someone in their late 20s in america WITH a college degree is in the low 20ks.
40% of this age group doesn't have ANY job. so when they see someone making 60k they're ALSO thinking "wow itd be nice to triple my income."
the people who make that much money got their money through china-style corruption and connections.
there's no such things as honest work in this country.
oh also, if you're not a rich person, you get shot by niggers or mexicans here. so count yourself lucky.
