How would you realistically go about emasculating men?
Take me for example. I've never been in a fight, I feel terrible when I hurt someone's feelings, I don't enjoy competition, and I'm happier when helping others than I am helping myself. When playing sports as a kid, I would feel bad for the other team when our team scored. Shooting guns made me feel sick and I would never want to do it again. I've turned down fucking a female friend because I didn't want to ruin our friendship.
In your ideal society, what should be done with people like me?
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>>77256814
Beta as fuck
Put a gun in your hands and throw you at the enemy.
Sink or swim faggit
>>77256814
You seem like a decent guy, OP.
>>77256814
Simply understand that masculanity will make you a better man, getting shit down, rolling through the punches, dealing with shit you hate without complaining or giving up. And always stand up and fight back for what ypu beleive in.
>>77256814
Your perception of reality is flawed. You could be too empathetic but it might even be narcissism to call attention to yourself like this: "look how sensitive and great I am."
Ideal society doesn't exist. So in the one you're in just don't infringe on anyone's rights and contribute to society via taxes and you'll be alright at a bare minimum as a citizen. As a man however, you need work to attract the larger spectrum of females.
>>77257325
sorry i have big thumbs and phoneposting is shit
>>77256814
You should string yourself up now and save the rest of us the trouble on day of the rope.
>>77257111
But if he kills his enemies they win anon.
>>77256814
1. Stop listening to Currents. its shit.
2. Kill yourself
>>77256988
To be fair, I've probably gotten laid more than most bitter /pol/fags obsessed with masculinity.
>>77257111
That would be a stupid idea. I would just be part of the 85% of soldiers who lie in a hole and never fire their weapon.
>>77256814
I feel like mandatory military training would do you some good, it would at least give you the basic skills you need to be more confident and aggressive. After that, if you choose not to use them that's on you.
>>77256814
>How would you realistically go about emasculating men?
Why don't you tell us what did they did to you? That seems to have worked.
>>77256814
As long as you know you will be a "support" player in the game of life and can deal with it, then enjoy your life
The problem is those that see the formula to exceed at life and choose to try to change the formula instead of working harder to achieve it.
They are the worst Betas that will end up blaming everyone but themselves for their own failure and likely shoot some one or emotionally take as many down as they can.
Poisoned betas should be round up and tied to an unskilled immigrant and dumped 10 miles off shore. If they make it to shore, they pass the test, if not, maybe in their next lives they can amount to something or learn to stay home.
forced sissification, cuckolding, etc
>>77256814
1. solve your own problems
2. shut up
>>77256814
>>77256814
>Shooting guns made me feel sick and I would never want to do it again.
>>77256814
>In your ideal society, what should be done with people like me?
Personally I am in favor of tolerating your type, permitting you to transition as you wish, but I must draw the line at paying for this with tax money.
Or sending you on a tour of our elementary schools as an inspirational role model.
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>>77256814
Anon, the times change, the methods may change, but the answer always remains the same.
>>77256814
burn with fire
>>77256814
Plenty of observers were complaining about the same behaviour among men before WW1.
And then you throw them in the grinder and look what happen: they turn into berserkers capable of charging at the enemy after being shelled for hours.
You can't emasculate men. War is in our blood.
Also
>I'm happier when helping others than I am helping myself
This is a military quality, not a flaw. In fact, what soldiers dislike the most about civilian life is that you can count on nobody.
>>77258196
>>77259029
Top-teir fetish. I hope I can find a gf willing to peg me at some point.
>>77259390
This. hnnnnghhhh.
>>77256814
Make them raise and care for a puppy, then a year later force them to strangle the puppy to death, and if they refuse, kill them and feed them to the puppy
>>77257901
>b-but I get laid more than 4chan!
Congratulations loser.
In my ideal society, people like you would be recognized as having great potential to do good things for the world but too cowardly and insecure to do so on your own. Thus, someone would hopefully advise you to join a group of your peers in a sort of self-improvement fraternity and you would hopefully attend.
The group would not be a legal organization of any kind, but more like an adventure group. You would be taught by friendly people how to defend yourself from attacks with and without firearms, how to survive in the wilderness, and how to enjoy the world by traveling, climbing mountains, and developing people skills you would use to communicate with foreigners in their countries.
After you've experienced some healthy difficulty in life and have made some lifelong friends, you would be encouraged to use what you've learned about yourself and the world to join a group dedicated to improving the world non-violently such as mass construction projects, farm communities, or traveling artists.
Some people would still notice your inclination to be a bit feminine, but if you're useful to the society and generally kind as you seem to be that won't go against you in my ideal society.
Just stay away from the military groups and the competitions and you'll fit into your own role just fine.
>>77256814
In an ideal society, you would be hanged.
>>77258498
>They turn into berserkers capable of charging at the enemy after being shelled for hours.
I don't see that as being desirable. I'd rather be a total pussy any day.
>>77259558
What's so masculine about strangling a puppy? That's something a psycho bitch would do.
>>77259641
I was just trying to address all the inevitable betavirgincuck shit before it comes up.
>>77258498
Turning men who would have been more useful to the world as artists and peaceful servants into hollow shells of their former selves by forcefully subjecting them to the horrors of war does not a good society make.
WW1 and WW2 are why the West has lost the ability of cohesion. War is to a society as brutal ass rape is to a developing child.
>>77256814
OP, I imagine the military is out for you. However, have you considered being a firefighter? You can volunteer almost anywhere. It'll get you in shape, expose you to danger, teach you how to work hard, teach male camaraderie, and you don't have to hurt anyone (maybe friendly competition between crews, but still). You're doing all of this manly shit to help those in need.
Give it a try, it changed my life.
>>77256814
nice conflict avoidance, you utter faggot without balls, make sure you take your failed genetic lineage where it belongs, the grave
if anyone bothers, the epitaph shall read: he was nice, I guess?
>>77261495
Also good.
What should be done with people like you? You should be allowed to suffer the consequences of your own mediocrity. No "free college", no "safety net" - if you fuck up with your own life and refuse to succeed the responsibility lies squarely on you.
Take steroids and be like Hulk Hogan.
>>77261595
Yeah and yours won't be read by anyone because you're a self-important douchebag.
"Stop being different than me!"
You can go die in a war or just continue shitting on people weaker than you, the outcome will be the same. You'll be forgotten because no one likes you.
>>77261595
Yes let's create more war in an already bloody earth.
Yippee.
>>77256814
>I've never been in a fight
me too, i never fight for trivial bullshit and always seek to preserve my physical integrity.
>I'm happier when helping others than I am helping myself.
this sounds normal if you grew up with a good family
> Shooting guns made me feel sick and I would never want to do it again
you are faggot
>I've turned down fucking a female friend because I didn't want to ruin our friendship
you just didn't wanted a relationship , sometime women are a pain in the ass and a waste of time
you sound like a crying bitch
>>77260845
>I'd rather be a total pussy any day.
Yeah. Until the day comes you are tested on your will to live. Then an only then you'll know how much of a pussy you are, or how much of a man, in case you end up surviving.
It still amazes me to no end that many guys nowadays simply don't know that VIOLENCE IS NECESSARY to survive.
>>77260471
This used to be what college was like before it became a hyperliberal feminist incubator.
In fact, it's such a feminist paradise that barely any women can make it through without being raped or murdered, only to earn 20 cents to a man's dollar for their effort.
>>77256814
GET A JOB!
a real one where you have to deliver and your shitty feelings dont matter.
>>77260471
I honestly think what you're describing should be mandatory for all teenagers. It would be a much better use of time and money than sending them to high school to get hooked on drugs.
>>77261495
>>77261693
My brother's friend is a fireman and my cousin worked for years to try to be one. Unfortunately around here, just like the police, you need to have personal or family connection within the department. They don't give a shit if you're a lazy alcoholic as long as they already know you.
>>77262902
Not that guy, but luckily I do...
>>77262157
>you just didn't wanted a relationship , sometime women are a pain in the ass and a waste of time
I think in his case it's because he's afraid he'll humiliate himself if he tries to have a relationship. He's afraid he won't be able to satisfy her emotionally and this will make her think he's boring and/or pathetic.
OP, if you're not good with women yet that's okay. You were born into a demented society in which good parenting and good role models are very rare. This is not your fault. If you want a better life, seek adventure with good friends. Once you've had a lot of trying, albeit rewarding experiences, you'll be more self-confident in your ability to hold other people's interests while also being less dependent on other people's emotional satisfaction for your own emotional satisfaction. You'll just be a better, stronger, more amazing version of your current self.
I recommend rock climbing with a couple of great friends.
>>77261960
>>77262098
OP is a male, those are male qualities to be encouraged; a male takes risks - calculated and otherwise
OP shall go through life as if he wasn't there, that was my entire point
it's his father's fault 100%
I want r9k to leave
>>77263210
*...AREN'T male qualities...
>>77256814
>I've never been in a fight
That's a good thing. Getting into fights is for arseholes with something to prove.
>I feel terrible when I hurt someone's feelings
This is also a good thing. You're supposed to be able to empathise with people.
>I don't enjoy competition
Of any sort? Nothing wrong with not being very competitive, but there must be some sort of competition you enjoy. Games? Pub quiz?
>I'm happier when helping others than I am helping myself.
This isn't just acceptable, it's both ideal and masculine.
>When playing sports as a kid, I would feel bad for the other team when our team scored.
Again, empathy is a good thing.
>Shooting guns made me feel sick and I would never want to do it again.
You don't like guns. No big deal.
>I've turned down fucking a female friend because I didn't want to ruin our friendship.
So you're a decent human being and you wisely choose long-term happiness over instant gratification.
Being a good man isn't about being a mindless thug who fucks anything that moves. It's about using what strength you have to protect and help those you love, putting the needs of others above your own, and displaying wisdom, decency and common sense.
>In your ideal society, what should be done with people like me?
I'd get you into primary (elementary) school teaching - there's generally a shortage of men in the role and you sound like the sort I'd want influencing my own kids. Keep it up man, and stop worrying about what idiots think a real man is.
>>77256814
>I've never been in a fight
How? I've been in a fight multiple times (some I have started to defend my honor), and yeah..I've gotten my ass kicked a couple of times, but..
A normal man would've gotten into a fight at least a couple of times by the time he's 19...
>>77256814
>In your ideal society, what should be done with people like me?
It's not my right to infringe on your decisions, as long as they don't hurt other people. But it is my right to call you a giant beta pussy.
I've beat the shit out of people, got shit beaten out of me. I like competition, I love guns. However I take care of my skin, hair, I am open to discuss feelings and moods with my girlfriend, I like to watch romantic shit from time to time and generally addicted to sense of falling in love. I'd say don't lose masculine survival traits and you are good. You can be ripped and high test like me and still enjoy some cheesy shit.
>>77261248
Oh I didn't mean it was desirable. I just meant that war makes us aggressive and peace makes us peaceful. And that it is silly to assume that, if the necessity arises, one would make a better soldier just because he likes playing football and being competitive.
>>77261889
In my opinion, higher education should be based on merit rather than wealth. There is no reason to deny someone the opportunity to improve the world with their abilities because their parents were fuckups, while entitling fuckups to the same opportunity because their parents are rich. Safety nets should be based on training and self-improvement while providing for necessities rather than a monthly check.
>>77262157
I'm not crying about shit. I just keep seeing everyone bitch about men not being dominant and aggressive enough, so I want to know what they think should be done about it.
>>77262278
I would much rather be the guy cowering in the back than the pile of mangled sloppy joe in the mud. Let the brave be brave, keep my ass out of it. Violence can be necessary to survive in rare cases, but none that I've encountered.
>>77262796
What jobs would you define as "real"? Working 55 hours a week at Jiffy Lube didn't change my personality.
>>77263210
People like OP just need to experience life more in order to realize the masculinity within themselves. They've already hear what you're saying 1,000,000 times and it doesn't change them because they just think you're 2-dimensional because that's what you act like. You bring attention to the idea of a family lineage because that's something you find important (as do I), but he doesn't find that important because the whole concept of being responsible for a family revolves around having the proper skills to care for one, which he was never taught (as you pointed out) by his father or mother, obviously.
The strong should LEAD the weak, not belligerently mock them with empty shit because you don't know how to help people improve. This also indicates to me that you're not great to begin with.
>>77256814
lift and stop jerking it, it will up your testosterone
>>77256814
>In your ideal society, what should be done with people like me?
Nothing. If you're alredy the way you are and you're not being a threat for society (i.e. wanting kids to be gender queer at 5yo... Or any age really) it doesn't matter if a particular person is not dominant or competitive.
Now it's something that shouldn't be encouraged.
>>77264396
Well the football-playing competitive types do tend to carry phenotypes that assist with winning wars and battles.
Put PeeWee Herman out there on the battlefield and see if he does better than Jimbob from Arkansas when it comes to fighting for himself and his brothers in arms. Not everyone is fit to be a soldier, even if there lives are in danger, otherwise any genocide would have been stopped very quickly.
>>77256814
>competition
I'm actually with you on this one. the only person i compete with is myself. competitiveness has nothing to do with masculinity. the woodsmen is far more masculine than the emotional soccer player or petty work colleague. I think people often confuse competitiveness with the survival instinct when in reality they are often at odds.
>I'm happier when helping others than I am helping myself.
this is the most masculine trait there is. strengthening their community and bettering the world around them is what every great man has in common.
>>77264568
Meritocracy is a lure desu. A very attractive lure, but one nonetheless.
The absence of meritocracy is what makes a society bearable by its citizen. Imagine a society where success is conditioned entirely on merit, and where fortune and birth take no place.
Realize that, in that society like any other, the lower echelons will always be the most numerous, since concentration of wealth can only go from the many to the few and not the other way around.
Now understand the consequence of such a society on the lowest: it's not saying that you just happen to not be wealthy anymore, it would be saying that not only you're poor, but that is because you are of low quality, as a human being. The working class would not stand for the brutality of this message very long.
What makes capitalism bearable is that there is always the possibility that, despite your merit, fortune just didn't happen to smile on you. The arbitrary element of capitalism is a condition for its success.
>>77264758
I read you posts anon and you are a good man
I was being excessively harsh because this place is most conductive to such behaviour and OP resonated with the boy I once was and had to "kill" in my early adulthood
I'll keep your advice on leading in mind the next time, dog bless
>>77256814
The older generation working class generation (60+) are a good example. It's hard to explain but it's usually down to respect and being in control of your life and how you do shit.
Probably hard to explain until you work it out but it's not about being an asshole, getting into fights and shooting shit.
>>77263023
>he's afraid he'll humiliate himself if he tries to have a relationship. He's afraid he won't be able to satisfy her emotionally and this will make her think he's boring and/or pathetic.
>if you're not good with women yet that's okay
>People like OP just need to experience life more
>the whole concept of being responsible for a family revolves around having the proper skills to care for one, which he was never taught
Stop being an arrogant prick and assuming all this shit.
>>77265413
Some competitions are stupid, but some can be extremely productive.
>science fair
>building competitions
>wrestling/martial arts
>the fucking boy scouts and their badges ffs
>debate
>CTF with paintball/airsoft guns
>CLIMBING MOUNTAINS
I can go on and on. It's really about the mindset of the players. I like competing with the best players I can oppose because they tend to be fair, honest, humble, and good sports. That environment makes competition very productive and more palatable for the generally non-competitive.
>>77265930
It's really cool to see you come around, anon. I know exactly what you mean.
God bless, bro.
>>77256814
Kill yourself, there is no hope anymore
>>77265959
Fine. I guess I was wrong, but that all comes from me and my experiences in my teenage life. I guess I just projected that onto you but when you said you think my idea for what to do with people like you should be "mandatory", I assumed I had hit the mark.
In that case, let my advice be useful to whoever I was accurately describing. Sorry for being a prick, OP.
>>77266122
A) climbing mountains is a team effort and who are you competing with in boy scouts?
I love martial arts, ill spar for fun but i never compete. sometimes my job does boil down to debating, but its way easier and the result is way more rational when everyone ends up working together.
i never said competition was bad and yea ill agree that healthy competition is a great driver for a lot of people. i just don't think a love of it is required to be masculine.
>>77256814
>turned down a female
nature is already taking care of it
Teach them to be overly vain about their appearance and that balding is shameful.
>>77258055
Swede post is best post.
>>77256814
Put them into camps to toughen them up. Ideally when Trump wins, we take weak males and put them into labor camps, force them to build the wall to get some manual labor experience.
>>77266683
I will add, though, that getting sexually involved with someone doesn't normally ruin a good friendship unless you begin to feel entitled to that person the way a monogamous relationship makes you do. Your reason for not pursuing a relationship with the girl you mentioned just came off as an excuse to me for your insecurity with people. That is, it made it seem like you didn't go for it because you were afraid she'd stop liking you. Do you depend on the emotional support of this person? If so, then take my advice and pursue adventure for a while. If not, I can't fathom why you wouldn't have tried the sexual experience. Not wanting to ruin your friendship is a cop-out for most of the people I've talked to in similar situations and that's a lot of people.
>>77265930
>>77264758
I was only lurking but had to comment: true brotherhood.
I suppose there is still some good in a sea of stupidity.
>>77256814
>I don't enjoy competition
You don't have to enjoy, but you do have to accept it as a fact of life. We all compete for different things. What makes you a beta is whether you actually try when you have to.
>>77260471
Frightened bird-like men like OP are some of the most brutal and savage, so long as they can disconnect themselves a polite distance from their actions. You can see this in any large organization. They're people who should never be given unchecked control over a team.
>>77257901
>To be fair, I've probably gotten laid more than most bitter /pol/fags obsessed with masculinity.
Doubtful.
Now as to what we should do with you, gas is the only option.
>>77266858
>climbing mountains is a team effort
"Hey, I bet I'll make it to the top first!"
>who are you competing with in boy scouts?
"Having fun in the scouts, son?"
"Yeah I won 15 merritt badges and Travis won 11."
I don't disagree with anything else you said.
>>77256814
Are you still contributing to society in some way? Are you getting a STEM degree, or do you have another practical field that you want to study?
Only retards think that you need to be an alpha Chad to have a life worth living and contribute to society. Don't fall for the memes, most posters here are NEETs anyway.
>>77267383
Wait 25 years and see how much closer we all become now that the boomers are losing their influence on us.
>>77267596
you know what, im looking at that boy scouts quote and im going to come off my position a little. As someone who grew up a "travis" and is constantly pushing to make sure im the one with the 15 badges the masculine trait hidden in competitiveness is the drive to push yourself to be better.
>>77256814
Your self esteem is fucked up, if you dont like any competitions.
>>77256814
>How would you realistically go about emasculating men?
I'm guessing you mean 'remasculinizing' (is that even a word? Fuck it it is now).
Hit the gym - concentrate on weights. Build your body up and confidence will follow.
Try to get involved in casual team sports - there should be 'fun' leagues around where you don't have to worry about it being supercompetitive or taken seriously. Sports culture can be pretty retarded but actually taking part in it is a cornerstone of masculine culture - will help with social skills and confidence as well.
Also read Roissy on how to avoid making another mistake like you did with your female friend:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/
>>77267981
Interesting, I don't quite understand why you linked with boomers, but man I do have some hate towards the fuckers.
>>77267596
>"Hey, I bet I'll make it to the top first!"
who the fuck does that?
This applies to running up hills, not fucking climbing mountains.
>>77268311
And when you use that drive and become better, you can help Travis to do the same. That's what it should be about. This is a really good thread despite the obvious shitposting to be expected given that OP is coming forward with vulnerabilities.
>>77268654
Becuase the society the baby boomers left us with is the reason we are struggling to be brothers again. They took thousands of years of tradition and family values and squandered them for their sexual and individual "liberation". They fell for the subjective morality meme and then still decided to have kids who they left in day cares after divorcing their spouse and becoming alcoholics.
>>77268692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1P97VVt6_k
Turn transgender. You already have the brain of a female, so you might aswell dress like a female. That way we can identify you limp wristed faggots much easier. In an ideal society, we would shoot on sight.
>>77269078
>post video of people measuring themselves to nature instead of competiting
>>77267325
>unless you begin to feel entitled to that person the way a monogamous relationship makes you do
That's pretty much it. You're right to a certain extent in that I can get clingy and insecure when I'm in that situation and often take things too far. I don't want to feel possessive of her because I respect her as I would a male friend and I enjoy her company as an individual. I don't want to depend on her emotional support, just to offer it when it's a good time to do so.
I'm sure I could make her happy as a boyfriend, but I wouldn't want to go through it when I'm spending months away at college and we're both in the "getting your shit together" stage of life. If anything I'll date her when I'm more secure in my life.
>>77256814
>In your ideal society, what should be done with people like me?
remove cock, attach chains, throw in mines.
>>77269666
Checked, stop playing with us fallen one.
>>77256814
As someone with friends who is not autistic, I would ignore you completely.
>>77269666
Satan trips of truth.
Okay. As someone who lost his virginity at age 14 with a girl I then stayed with for 7 years, I'd like to share a bit of input:
I was being raised by my mother after my parents split when I was 10. I was a weird kid and a total bitch until I became angry at the world because I didn't understand why I was so unhappy. I went full goth and took the criticism every single day until I met a goth girl I liked. She represented to me my need for love and comfort and I represented to her the wild lifestyle she'd always wanted because she was forced to stay home and obey retarded rules by her absolutely crazy fucking parents.
Point is, we needed each other and so we could not let each other go for 7 years even though we started to kind of hate each other after only 3. After she and I split I fell into a severe depression until one day 2 years ago I developed what I can only call a great fire in my heart and mind. I've feared nothing since and because of it, the girl and I now casually hook up for sex (we're both still single) and when it gets annoying for one of us we just go our separate ways again.
If you love them, you need to be ABLE and WILLING to let them go. When she and I stopped living together forcing us to cooperate when we couldn't, it ruined our lives. When we abolished the rigid structure of our relationship, we became great friends again. Just remember what I'm saying, anon.
>>77270778
>When she and I stopped living together forcing us to cooperate when we couldn't, it ruined our lives.
I meant that we were ruining our lives UNTIL we stopped living together.
>>77266122
>they tend to be fair, honest, humble, and good sports
KEK right because there's a lot of that in top athletes or hell anything
>>77267665
Accounting. I wanted to be a history teacher, but it's simply not worth it from what I've heard from two of my family members who teach high school, and they were more passionate about teaching than I was.
>>77268349
>>77268533
As for competition/sports, It's not that I can't stand losing but that I simply don't enjoy winning as much as most males. I don't feel good about kicking someone's ass at something if they didn't enjoy it. I used to play basketball and I couldn't stand how salty people were all the time. I'd much rather go on a hike or canoe down a river.
>>77270778
>goth
FAGGOTTTTTTTTT
>>77256814
We must instill in our youth: Tradition, Discipline, and Culture.
Look at the leftists/feminists/numales. Look at the societies they've infiltrated and ruined.
It's exactly what they reject and want to destroy.
To defeat them, we must embrace what they seek to destroy.
>>77270778
>When we abolished the rigid structure of our relationship, we became great friends again. Just remember what I'm saying, anon.
What you are saying is that you are a bad judge of character but thats fine because casual sex makes up for it.
Meanwhile in the real world people want meaningful relationships not a relationship between two people too immature to try to work out their issues who would rather throw their hands in the air and come back to it later maybe but just for casual sex.
Your life is the epitome of hollow but you are too narcissistic to see it, instead you loudly tell everyone that, this is fine, I am fine with this.
>>77256814
hnnng tame impala
>>77271159
This are the kinds girls I hung out with. Call me gay but I still love goth pussy.
>>77256814
>do all of the above
>still get laid a ton
What's the problem OP?
>>77271453
>tfw no more goths
>>77269078
Precisely. Think about inter generational theft and other shit.
However, I wonder if we will be able to not fail for the same tricks since our struggle as a generation is derived from the very fact that the boomers felt for the memes.
>>77270778
>you will never be in a teenage goth relationship where you both hate eachother
>>77271461
You should be directing that question at everyone who's telling me to kill myself. I don't feel bad about it.
>>77256814
I am your opposite
>derive pleasure from seeing those who are weaker, slower than me and sneer at them (sports, I do lots of them)
>never even let women win, always just go 100% of my best
>dont care so much about other people that I always am just at 100% doing what I can only focused on myself (unless its a blatant team thing or something like that)
>only acknowledge the strong, the brave and the willing
>scoff at fatties and other degenerates
>not only revel in competition, also be completely unaware of its consequences on others to such a degree where it becomes not part of my conscious mind anymore, but rather a standard mode of operation.
Though I am still nice to other people, but just only nice with focus on those who are more equal or better than me. For example, knowing that certain people dont have willpower, I know lots of the consequences that their lives will have, from alzheimers buildup (sugar heavy diet), to beetus, cancers, low test, depression etc. Why make friends who are going to die or perform not like you?
OP, you are but a small ant on my radar that wont even really register on it.
>>77271263
That's a lot to take away from an anecdote. I'm not saying what I did is right for anyone else or even necessarily for me. Yes, at 14 until age 19 I was a horrible judge of character which got me into a lot of shit. I didn't start taking life seriously until it came time for her and I to split. I made other mistakes as well which don't relate to the topic. In my situation, I'm still interested in marrying a woman I think will be a good mother, but for now while I'm interested in building my finances I'm happy to fuck my best friend and one of the few people I can be fully open with in the meantime.
You don't know my life but I'm sure if you keep pretending you do you'll make a few more accurate assessments amid your flurry of bullshit ones.
>>77256814
kys
>>77271263
Here's your real culprit.
>>77271996
>>77271996
are you me?
I've been this way for as long as I can remember
>>77271263
Ok shitlord, so how does one possibly improves its judgment of character without guidance and otherwise blindly navigating through life and experiencing on a trial-and-error basis?
>>77271947
I think you missed the point but maybe not. My whole was don't let yourself need someone because if you do then you begin to treat them like your property, which leads to a kind of hatred you can't get any other way. A good relationship is one in which you respect the other person's need for independence, they do the same for you, but neither of you wants to find someone else because you two are bonded through a mutual purpose.
>>77272288
I have been like this since I got rid of my fat, since I got somewhat build and my test was restored. Sports really are great. One more year and I think I can get rid of all the little beta things that still remain on me. But already I see myself to be outperforming 50% of the males mentally...probably even more if I was honest.
The thing is, before all of this I was kinda introspective, liked philosophy and things like that, and right now I am still as such, only more justified and assured. Doesnt help much for my social gainz though.
But a normal social male could probably become a super top tier alpha with the training and hormone fixing that I did (getting to normal male test levels as a former obese, also applies to skinnyfags beta cucks like op though)
People like op still dont really register on my radar though, they are just one of the faces in the giant blur of losers that I dont notice anymore.
>all the girls that look like this in my neighborhood want a black bf
Help me /pol/
>>77272881
just let them gets aids, mulatto crack babies, an absent father and herpes and collect the scraps that didn't play the nigger game.
>>77256814
I'm competitive, pretty masculine looking and enjoy sport, but I'm a kissless virgin who is insanely anxious in social situations and pathetic around women and much prefer reading to going to a pub or party. A rather strange combo.
>>77271614
Even though most of our generation suffers from an obnoxious sense of entitlement and inflated self-worth, I've found we can easily navigate through everything they've done/studied while they don't seem to know anything about anything anymore. We're quickly surpassing them in intelligence because like you said we're working by trial and error in a collapsing society while they were working with the guidance of the hero generation in a thriving society.
Harder lives breed smarter, tougher people and that's why we are already starting to break away from the same brain parasites that infested them. We have our own problems for sure, but we are also far more desperate for a real fix than the boomers ever were. We will prevail, anon.
>>77273146
>I'm the opposite but also anxious and prefer reading
What's up with the world?
>>77271996
So you're the average male, one of many who kiss the alpha's ass while desperately trying to keep down those below them. Not much to be proud of, but nothing you should really be ashamed of either.
>>77272023
>I'm happy to fuck my best friend and one of the few people I can be fully open with in the meantime.
Would you feel salty if she started dating someone and stopped fucking you? I have a female friend I can do this with because she's a whore and I don't really respect her, but if it was with the girl I was talking about before, I would get possessive.
>>77273266
Its just that some archetypes will never change. Even if you get rid of your anxiety like I did, even if you do the trouble of going into bars alone, trying to fit it, trying to dance without fear. Eventually your preference will tell you "you know, the music is kinda shit, the girls are kinda boring, I dont really like alcohol, I kinda wish I was doing sports, or reading some news articles on science instead of listening to boring stories of low IQ normies."
If you had anxiety you would think "but I am shit, I am a neet, a loser. I have much to learn from these people!" and when a person would approach you, they would sense the anxiety. But once you grow into an alpha, that anxiety leaves and you are self assured of your boredom with the normies.
At least that is what I have found out. Perhaps there is still some more grounds to test out for me, but I think that the majority of my things are mapped out already.
Perhaps that is the same with the poster you replied to. We all have our different archetypes and getting better, more alpha as a human being wont help us much in certain things.
>>77271996
>>77272142
There's a difference between the types of weak people that determine whether or not you should help them or look down upon them: those who want to improve but need help getting started, and those revel in their degeneracy.
>>77273631
respect =/ kissing ass you tard
Respect is just respect for hard work and dedication. If you were at the top you would know that. But you arent, so you are just self projecting or something.
There are very few of us who do sports, who perform, I even have respect for those below me, who show effort, in older people, even in women (extremely rare though). To those I dont sneer or look down upon. But that takes time to learn who is where mentally, so I usually just do it by default anyhow.
and guess what, those who are at my level have respect back. At least in sports its a mostly common thing.
>>77273801
Sounds legit, now that I think about it I don't really enjoy their company at all and I haven't learned anything from them. I'm going to start enjoying my hobbies unashamed. Thanks friend
>>77272853
>>77273801
I suppose you have crossed the 30 year barrier and you are around 33yo right? If that's the case you should consider that the improvement happened naturally.
In any case, do you mind to lay some info on how one can fix itself?
>>77273631
Posting mobile now so different ID. Already went through that with her, anon. I did get salty. Once I determined that she was not going to be the girl I would marry, ever, that saltiness went away. She's still important to me, but I'm no longer investing myself in her. Our arrangement has a killswitch that either of us would be fine with activating if we found someone more compatible.
It's literally just, we'll have sex until one of us moves on, and we're both fine with that. The rule we follow is, the arrangement ends when we fuck someone else, and that's because neither of us wants an STD. We talk often and trust each other not to go behind our backs and start fucking others in secret while fucking each other because there is zero need for that kind of deception as we're both totally upfront with out intentions.
>>77256814
Newfags, I know you think you're smart
But when someone says SAGE
Stop replying afterwards because its a shill poster. Save this and read it.
>>77274026
yea, my follow up post here>>77274262
But people who actually have the willpower to improve are something like 1 in a thousand. Mostly men. Not all of them are showoffs and some of them dont like to show off because of society "looking down" on them. Its hard to tell somewhat. But them being 1 out of 1000 means that its mostly a statistical anomaly that I need not to think about too much.
The sneering and the judging is mostly error free. I can tell with near certainty who will be fat, who will get alzheimers, who will get the beetus, who is most likely depressed (like the single person who has lots of dogs/cats), or the people who use social networks (including phones too much, recent research), I can somewhat see who lives a sedentary lifestyle (also contributes to depression).
With 70% of all people being overweight or obese, its really easy to sneer at them. And that is just the tip of the iceberg of the failures that you will encounter in society.
>>77257689
i agree with leaf
>>77273266
Who knows, clearly something about me is completely repulsive to women. I just don't even bother interacting with them any more unless I have to, might as well be invisible to the outside world. I'll probably up an heroing eventually, don't worry
>>77273801
I seriously doubt I'll ever become "alpha" senpai, I've kinda accepted my fate as a KV.
>>77272881
Hit on them anyway, just don't sperg out and call them race traitor whores for not immediately jumping on your dick.
>>77273146
I have a few friends just like this. One quality doesn't define the other and nobody fits into stereotypes perfectly. Do you hang out with the people you play sports with regularly?
>>77256814
you would be teassed in childhood
>>77256814
Lift pussy
>>77275000
Best I could say is try asking some female friends what exactly is repulsive but then again most don't know what they want - worth a shot if you're curious though
>>77274362
no, actually 27. Look like 25ish though.
and how to fix one self I based out of pic related.
Alongside with the idea that your body needs basic maintenance to perform. That our brains are not magical soul having things that perform at 100% all the time. That they need exercise, like walking, running, weight lifting and more to function properly (those millions of years of evolution compared to 50 years of office work dont really compare)
They also need a proper diet, no sodas, water only, no snacks or additives. Mostly natural food you should be looking at.
Also your testosterone needs to be restored. So lose your fat, build some muscle, exersize. Perhaps even take aromatase inhibitors and natural test boosters.
Its a long process, but I can easily say that I have more energy right and can think sharper. If I even missed one training regime however I would snap back into depression. This crap literally keeps me happy.
>>77275092
>I have a few friends just like this. One quality doesn't define the other and nobody fits into stereotypes perfectly. Do you hang out with the people you play sports with regularly?
No, I don't. A lot of the time I just go out running on my own to get away from everyone. I can barely handle conversations with my family members without being mentally drained, no idea how I'm supposed to ever talk to a girl for sex/a relationship. My parents still think I'll have a family one day kek
>>77275327
I don't have a single female friend, never have.
>>77275000
Being alpha is just a biological state of mind most likely, like 90% of it. Do more sports, lose fat, gain muscle, eat healthy, sleep well. Stress gets lowered, cortisol or dopamine are the enemies of test. Yet those with lots alphaness have lots of test and few stress hormones.
go to /fit/ and read the sticky, seriously.
Whatever your outcome is of the alpha state, its always better than your non alpha state, even if you are an anti social bastard like me (though I am actually social, just very specifically social thanks to the chans over the years, with whom else can I talk about all the crap that we do talk about without being judged?)
>>77275363
I agree, very good advice senpai.
>>77275512
Talk to the people you play sports with, grab a drink or something to eat afterward and just chill. I would tell you that you're fine and all that but you mentioned killing yourself so you're obviously not happy where you're at.
Sex isn't a big deal at all, but you gotta lose your virginity to find that out yourself or else it will only seem like "normalfag advice." I used to be insecure as hell and thought I even had social anxiety until I figured out that I was the complete opposite simply by being in enough situations and taking initiative. Once you're able to start a conversation and carry it on, you'll feel a lot more confident around girls. It's really not hard, you just gotta keep fucking up until you learned how to not fuck up.
>>77256814
You are a piece of shit, you should kill yourself tbqh family
>>77275791
Does that mean I shouldn't smoke weed? Serious question.
>>77256814
emasculate means to make weaker rather than to make more manly/stronger
>>77277547
fuck no, also avoid xenoestrogens like the plague
>>77277547
I know a few /fit/fags who smoke urrday, but it will severely limit your social alphaness. Depends on how much you're willing to sacrifice personal enjoyment for respect and pussy.
>>77278185
You're right, I just picked an autocorrect for masculinify or whatever I was trying to come up with. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to catch that.
>>77278701
>xenoestrogens
Such as? I mean I could go look it up but we're here to talk anyway and I'd get a better understanding if you explained your perspective than if I just Googled it.
