So I was petting my dog today and I realized something
These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11 I mean yeah ancient history tried to invade Europe but the Sunnis and the Shiites have done a good enough job slaughtering eachother in their backwards ass countries to keep eachother busy. Then 9/11 happens then arab spring happens, suddenly we have a shit ton of destabilized and civil warring backwards ass countries that have created millions of refugees and huge opportunities for radical islamic groups which already existed to hold power. Not only do they have power but now people are pissed at America and Europe for coming and interrupting them killing eachother and peace. Suddenly we have a big fucking target on our back for what we've done to these goatfuckers. Suddenly these goatfuckers start going full jihad on us and our govt refuses to blame the problem on radical Islam rooted in these backwards ass third world countries.
> tfw you realize the govt let 9/11 happen because of oil/military interests
> tfw the govt helped destabilize the middle east beacuse of oil/military interest
> tfw goatfuckers now blame you because of what the shills did
> tfw now that mudslimes are shooting up Americans the government won't even call it what it is, let alone defend us from it
> tfw your government doesn't give a single flying fuck about you
The American government and others have helped create a massive crisis in the Middle East and the ones who are going to pay for it are us. We are the ones who are going to have to live next to people that believe in Sharia law and that infidels are deserving of death. We are the ones who are going to get shot up in random acts of terror. Jesus when did this shit get so fucked.
Thoughts? Reactions? Theories? Counterpoints?
>>77196280
>>77196342
>>77196365
>>77196280
>gov't let 9/11 happen
nice meme
>>77196280
what does your dog have to do with anything, faggot
>>77196280
don't invade kuwait
>>77196439
I mean there had already been an attack on the world trade centers, attempting to bomb the foundation out and there was credible evidence that multiple intelligence agencies had of the plot and nothing was done. I realize that it's a meme but I mean come now they already tried blowing this shit up once and failed you don't think they knew they'd try again?
>>77196521
wag the dog maybe?
>>77196280
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
What is the 1993 world trade bombing, what is the 2000 USS cole bombing, what is 1998 US embassy bombing in kenya and tanzania, what is the bombing of pan am flight 103 of the 1980s
>>77196280
Pic and time stamp of dog or gtfo
Globalization makes it easier for radical Muslims to go around the world. Also, many of today's terrorist problems stem from arming and funding groups in Afghanistan & Pakistan. Would Muslims still do acts of terror if the West did not get involved in the ME decades ago? I wouldn't be surprised if they still would.
>>77196650
difference is none of those events would have given the impetus to invade another country, and when I say generally i mean compared to slaughtering eachother that shit is relatively tame
How fucking new are you, ever since the relocation of jewish refugees after ww2 into palestine (of all fucking places) the middle east has been a hell hole.
>>77196802
>difference is none of those events would have given the impetus to invade another country,
attacking a country's embassy is an act of war
>>77196765
Well yeah see helped destabilize the middle east, maybe they would still do acts of terror but nothing gives them a reason to hate us like invading their countries and bombing them
>>77196953
middle east has been a hell hole since about 632 a.d.
>>77196986
yeah but you aren't gonna get public support for invading another country over just an embassy, look at Iran and what they did. Taking down two building in the middle of NY city and killing 3000 people not only is that a big death toll but that's something visible its a symbol people can get behind
>>77196280
Are you a fucking child?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_shootings_at_CIA_Headquarters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_London_Israeli_Embassy_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Rijeka_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Paris_M%C3%A9tro_and_RER_bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_El_Descanso_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostar_car_bombing
all you had to do was use google it instead of making this thread
>>77197021
That's true, but I think the Islam plays an important role too. The West has no choice but to get involved again and get rid of ISIS. Libya was a mistake, so was Iraq probably, and arming questionable groups in Syria was most definitely a mistake, which likely helped ISIS form. I wonder, though, if they were mistakes, or if the high risk of terrorism was a calculated loss that was accepted in order to topple leaders who were not cooperative/submissive to the West. I hope Trump wins because he does not want to start or get involved in such wars anymore.
it's because of the internet.
now any butthurt haji can watch thousands of hours of bombings, goat fucking and propaganda.
they can comunicate to anybody from anywhere in the world.
a perfect storm is coming.
tet offensive 2.
>>77197377
I intended this thread to be more about government self interest, it's nice you used wikipedia to accomplish nothing though friend
>>77197438
Don't forget we helped create ISIS, we also helped create/fund/arm AL-QUEDA in our proxy war against the USSR
>>77197732
so what's the solution? Do we accept these people as refugees and attempt to reform them into first world citizens or do we just build walls and let the middle east slaughter itself
>>77196280
Truth is even if the US didn't invade iraq it would of been another Syrian civil war. Here's some interesting links.
https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/the-islamic-state-was-coming-without-the-invasion-of-iraq/
https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/iraq-is-still-suffering-the-effects-of-saddam-husseins-islamist-regime/
>>77197761
It seems proxy wars have a tendency to backfire, especially ones involving religious motivation. It is frustrating when world leaders keep funding more of them.
>>77197830
I agree completely but because we did invade Iraq and get mixed up in the arab spring now we have the target on our backs for the shitshow that followed
>>77197761
Muslims didn't keep to themselves ever. They don't hate us because we removed two horrible regimes in the middle east, they hate us because we go against their religion.
Also if doing the right thing makes you the enemy of muslims around the world then we should be happy to fight them. Do you think Australia shouldn't have helped east timor because it upset muslims?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
>>77197971
Isolationist foreign policy is the way to go, just sell weapons to everyone else and watch them slaughter eachother for you, just wished I had faith in Shillary or Trump to not start or continue war.
>>77196280
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
LOL I stopped reading there. If you said "pre-WW1", then yea OK maybe.
>>77197817
first of all, these apes are not the first wave.
they are migrating to different hives in europe or in the usa.
yes, stopping this wave coming is a must.
but you have to deal with the haji infested ghettos that will chimp out.
we need borders and we need to encourage haji on haji murder.
this article is a must read
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/
>>77198118
so how do we fight them?
>>77198217
By killing them where they live.
>>77198174
>If you said "pre-WW1", then yea OK maybe.
pre ww1 was the ottoman empire. they never stopped.
>>77198174
in comparison to post 9/11 where there is a different attack every week and ISIS/Taliban control portions of countries, idk mang depends on what you take generally to mean
>>77198259
we're already doing that though senpai, they're trying to live in Europe and America now
>>77198334
Well before 9/11 the Taliban were actually in control of Afghanistan and Saddam was doing way worse stuff than ISIS could ever do.
>>77198149
Hillary would start more conflict, based on her past. Trump wants to get along with Russia, questions US presence in South Korea, is open to (peace, I'm assuming) talks with North Korea, and doesn't want to get involved in conflicts in the ME. However, he does want a short and hard-hitting war against ISIS because there is no other option at this point. This change in foreign policy, one which will influence the rest of the West, is one of the reasons I support Trump.
>>77198389
We didn't intervene in Syria which created a vacuum so other, worse, countries intervined instead. Not only has this caused a massive disaster in Syria but it also destabilised the region and was the reason ISIS actually grew.
>>77197761
>Don't forget we helped create ISIS, we also helped create/fund/arm AL-QUEDA in our proxy war against the USSR
Also this is a meme. The US armed the Afghan mujahedeen which then became the northern alliance. Also China and Iran participated in the war.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention the Islamic state of Iraq got funded by Iran.
>>77196280
>EVER thinking rich corrupt globalist shill government (govern: control, ment: mental, mind) cares about you
>>77198580
I believe we started the current conflict in Syria, yet when it got out of hand, no one was willing to commit ground units.
>>77198600
> this is a meme
> they just hate us cus reasons
> they just have weapons cus reasons
> spooky Iran, they've always loved Iraq right
Lol @ OP
Muslims all over the Middle East hate Europeans and Americans in general because of a century of interventionist and destabilizing neocolonial policy in the ME. It shouldn't be surprising honestly. 9/11 wasn't the beginning, it was just the biggest sign that they wouldn't take any more of our shit. We need to leave that place the fuck alone.
>>77198614
It's not that I think the govt cares about me it's the fact that people can't see through how fucking transparent it is sometimes
>>77198803
No, Assad ran the country into the ground and a civil war started. Also there are plenty foreign groups commiting ground troops. They are just shitty factions.
>>77198892
hmm what you said really made me think.
I like how you didn't even try to respond to what he posted.
>>77198914
bro its way too late man, look at how many refugees there already are, they're taking the fight to Europe at least it's kind of hard for at least Europe to leave it alone
>>77199082
Then they put up a wall in Turkey and gun down anyone that approaches the shoreline.
>>77196528
>tfw you know Iraq invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was slant drilling Iraqui oil.
>tfw the UN was going to make a resolution telling Kuwait to stop.
>tfw it was the USA that vetoed it
>tfw it's the USA's fault that Iraq invaded Kuwait
>tfw the kike-led US is playing the good goy.... again.
>>77199082
And it's never too late to change our policy.
9/11 was directly because Osama didn't like US troops on Saudi land. So we pull them out. Easy as that.
Frankly, Muslims will love us as soon as we say, "Well, we're out. Good luck, guys."
>>77198973
I can't say how Assad governed, but foreign governments had a role in the rise of revolutionary militia groups such as the FSA, many of whose members turned into jihadis/terrorists or were Islamists anyway. What I can say is that Assad held more moderate beliefs and kept the terrorists at bay, bedore they received foreign support. By ground troops I meant Western militaries. All we do is bomb them, but ground units, conventional and trained ones, are needed to hold the land. It seems that the Syrian and Iraqi militaries are gradually doing just that recently though. I think the war will end in a year or so.
>>77199067
touche
Claiming we armed one specific group of afhani's who would never help out any others, and we ofc kept it just to that one highly centralized group
Don't think ISIS really cares who they get funding from or whether or that they got their start in an American prison camp
If he is arguing we really didn't make our bed then sleep in it, then who did give all the afghanis weapons, and ISI got money from selling oil to europe too what's your point
>>77196280
They just called it Pan Arab Socialism instead of Jihadism back before the Cold War ended. They committed terrorism just the same.
>>77199334
I mean also a country with no military controlling 9% of the world's oil sitting directly next to a country with the world's 6th strongest military made it a pretty obvious move for Iraq.
>>77199335
we can pull out that's all fine and good but what about the 3 or so million refugees turkey is holding, what happens to them, regardless of whether or not they hate us if I was european I wouldn't want 3 million people who largely think sharia law is okay on their way to come live in my country
>>77199334
more like Iraq was in massive dept and they made up a story to annex kuwait
>>77199558
Kick them out. Send them back to the shitholes that they themselves made.
>>77199532
They did try to resolve the issue peacefully. First through the Arab League, then the UN.
I guess Bush senior just loved that cheap stolen oil too much.
>>77199636
Nope. The UN resolution is real. Try harder, because you're not just wrong, you're ignorant.
>>77199655
do you honestly think people who risked drowning in little dingys on the open ocean and probably think you are worthy of death as a infidel aren't going to keep trying to get into europe, I just don't have faith in the eu to say gtfo and go back and stop them from getting in
>>77199417
Do you know what happened after we left Afghanistan? Do you know about the civil war? Do you know who won the civil war?
>>77199747
Cool then enlighten me and share it
>>77196280
Sounds about right. George W and his merry band of neocons basically drove out to a field in Texas, found the biggest fire ant mound in the field, kicked it over, and then started complaining when the ants swarmed out and started biting them on the ankles.
>>77199775
Well that's Europe and they can do what they want. But they should just post up on the shore and defend against the actual invasion.
America needs to not be involved anymore, though.
>>77199334
>UN '''resolution'''
>>77199786
depends on what civil war you mean
>>77199334
ive seen some stuff about iraq getting permission from usa before that war started
>>77199408
So the west started the civil war after those protesters were fired upon? I understand at this point the moderate rebels have been worn down, lots have either been killed or have joined extreme groups. This doesn't mean it was like that at the start of the war and it doesn't mean there still aren't democratic forces to support. Assad is certianly not more moderate than the rebels fighting for a democratic syria.
>>77199846
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_678
he might be talking about this juan
>>77196280
le jet fuel can't melt steel beams maymay
You make America look bad. This 'epiphany' is a decade late.
>>77196280
>America fucks everything up in the ME for Israel
well I wonder what would've happened if we'd left well enough alone.
>>77200083
nah just in light of the denials of islam extremism in the wake of the orlando shooting is what it's from, was just disgusted about how they're attempting to portray him as a lone wolf
>>77196280
>ancient history tried to invade Europe
1922 isn't ancient history, anon.
>>77200072
They don't want democracy, though, they want Sharia. They are Islamists. I don't think democracy works well in the Muslim world anyway. So far, every Muslim country we have tried to bring democracy to has failed or become worse.
>>77199957
After the commies got btfo the mujahideen we supported during the war ended up fighting against the taliban. Those mujahideen became the northern alliance and basically lost the war until the 2001 invasion.
>>77200072
To your point about original, true democratic forces. No one really knows. People doubt if the FSA was/is really a militia or just a loose, nominal network.
>>77200275
This isn't true at all. The SDF is clearly a group we should be supporting. Also if it wasn't for another baathist regime collapsing Iraq would be a lot more stable. Despite the problems caused by the civil war iraq actually has elections now and they also aren't being gassed or gunned down by helicopter gunships.
>>77200340
Here's a question for you are there not striking parallels between that situation and what's happening now? Do you think that the afghani regime is capable of holding off the taliban if/when we leave?
>>77200076
This doesn't say anything about Kuwait stealing Iraqi oil. I'm pretty sure he is just an ausie shitposter who has to make shit up.
>>77200486
Well the problem the first time is that we left too soon. That is the only time I would be able to say that we are making the same mistake.
>>77200486
Last I heard, a couple months ago, the Taliban was regaining land.
>>77200644
At what point has it been long enough?
>>77200727
When Afghanistan is stable enough for us to not be needed. How long that takes depends on how much work is put in to do that from this point forward. But I can't imagine it taking that long. Libya is basically stable now after a relatively quick and bloodless civil war thanks to western intervention and Iraq is gaining more and more land back from ISIS too.
>>77196280
George bush and the cabal took down the World Trade Center specifically to re-escalate the neverending war in the Middle East. It has been a resounding success. The bankers and military industrial complex have made TRILLIONS since 2001 and we have seen some of the largest weapon purchase orders in history recently. It has been an unmitigated success. Not a single person that matters has died from the west, not one. It's the gift that keeps on giving, a veritable goose that lays golden eggs. Why would they kill it? A few years ago things seemed to be winding down, then omg Assad is so evil we must overthrow, quick lets train rebels, oops, now they are ISIS and they used those weapons and training to roll through the region. Who coulda knowed? Oops, we air dropped them more weapons when they were running low. Oops we shipped them into America and Western Europe now they are running amok. Gotta have more government and more war spending to fix it! .
>>77199846
>>77200554
>hurr durr all aussies shitpost
Fuck you bongland.
In any case, I saw the vetoed resolution years ago, and Ive gone through a few computers since. But the claims of slant drilling have existed since the 80's, and here's your proof of that:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=YdM33xmIhTUC&pg=PA324&lpg=PA324&dq=un+resolution+kuwait+slant+drilling&source=bl&ots=uRv3IuKC6J&sig=1hdMtTRr5jdJaXErllzfokO6JWU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEuNa07abNAhVIHpQKHV4XDNEQ6AEIUjAI#v=onepage&q=un%20resolution%20kuwait%20slant%20drilling&f=false
In any case, Kuwait is not the unabashed "good guy" you're treating it as:
www.nytimes.com/1997/12/23/opinion/23iht-edcool.t.html
www.sheppardsoftware.com/Middleeastweb/factfile/Unique-facts-MiddleEast10.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/03/world/confrontation-in-the-gulf-the-oilfield-lying-below-the-iraq-kuwait-dispute.html
>>77201832
ok cool so I was basically right. There is literally no evidence for it and Kuwait not being a great country isn't a reason for iraq to annex it.
They may not be the good guys but they will never be as bad as Saddam ;)
>>77200072
>the west started the civil war after those protesters were fired upon
No. The west/saudis armed the protesters, incited violence, then complained when their proxies got BTFO.
>>77201421
Really good story you wrote there. You should get in touch with Michael Moore, you might be able to make a "documentary". But do you have any proof?
>>77202133
>literally no evidence for it
Claims existed since a decade before invading, yet you said Saddam made it all up to justify invading...
GCHQ fuck off.
>>77196280
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
taqiyya
>>77202148
That is a really cool image. Let me just dismiss reality and take that as my truth.
>>77202213
> tried to invade Europe
> We are the ones who are going to have to live next to people that believe in Sharia law and that infidels are deserving of death. We are the ones who are going to get shot up in random acts of terror
taqiyya ur nan you aussie cunt
>>77202205
read the fucking book you posted. It says that kuwait was accused in the late 1980s
>>77202295
Would an eyewitness do:
http://thebricspost.com/an-eyewitness-to-the-syrian-rebellion-father-frans-in-his-own-words/#.VjCXjG95Yrj
But no, I'm sure that your marching orders from MI6 or whatever mean you'll keep going instead of leaving.
>>77202502
Still prior to the invasion. Years prior even.
And that is only the public, not private, accusations.
All you're doing is refusing to face the fact that Kuwait was a cunt, and Iraq got shafted both ways.
Hope you enjoy the millions of Iraqi refugees you created
>>77196403
Guys on far left and right look A E S T H E T I C
prove me wrong
>>77202512
I mean it's great that you can post some Assadboo talking about what he thinks the situation is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_uprising_phase_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
But most sources say otherwise.
>>77196280
Only a matter of time until they came over to kill us. Example: 9/11.
>government didn't understand how fucking crazy Muslims were
>terrorism is actually helping to convert out people from social justice to nationalist racist
>Iran was hell bent of killing us anyway
The wars just sped up the process. They would be coming for the west eventually. The orient hasn't done shit to them and they constantly attack over there.
Your a Fuckin shill trying to subvert us. And you fucking smart.
>Islam will constantly attack any other group. Despite the other group leaving it alone.
>they will attack it is inevitable.
>>77196439
i would not be surprised if Trump releases transcripts showing they could've prevented it and didn't. we know Bill (wish means George did too) knew about the possibility of an attack there.
>>77202653
They clearly did it because they got themselves in lots of debt and wanted to threaten kuwait into giving them money or annex them. Either way you look at it Saddam fucked up.
>>77202737
what do we do about them now, personally i favour isolationist policy with carpet bombing for anybody that even thinks about fucking with us but what about the refugees, how are we gonna stop the flow
>>77202699
>Assadboo
Riiight.
Considering you posted WIKIPEDIA of all things, I'm not even going to read the biased bullshit that is accepted there.
>>77196280
>mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
>Munich
>WTC 1993
>USS Cole
>Countless embassy bombings
They don't keep to themselves almost ever. Even during Jefferson's presidency they were fucking with them. Just leave them alone and when they get testy kick em in the balls like Jefferson and they shut the hell up for a while
>>77196280
An redpilled american....... Finally!
I nether thought, I would see one, who realizes that their nation destroyed half the world since the cold war
>>77202938
do you know how the citations work? Do I have to do that for you too?
>>77196280
Don't blame us. The muslims have never been peaceful. They have always been murderous towards infidels. We just mostly didn't care before 9/11 because we had other problems.
You're right about the government, though. It's not going to protect us. The police sat around outside that nightclub for 3 hours so that muslim could murder the sexual deviants in peace. If Hildebeest wins, you can rest assured we're bringing in more worshipers of the religion of peace. Oh, and you're a bigot if you don't like it.
>>77202864
>how are we gonna stop the flow
Machine guns have existed since the 1800's.
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
LOL
"I'm ignorant therefore this is what history is"
>>77202997
Are you going to be like the retard that directed me to video "proving" the Ukraine situation was totally Russia fault, and it just so happened to have been filmed and funded by the US and UK?
>>77203023
bro there's no way we can take machine guns to them, as simple and effective as it would be the libtards would throw a fucking fit start lighting shit on fire and trying to blow things up
>>77203022
I'm not blaming us, I'm blaming the people in our govt that sold us out, we're the ones who are going to have to face the consequences of what's happened, not them.
>>77196953
This is not true.
>>77203081
in comparison to the shit that goes on nowadays, how many attacks have we had in the past 2 days? I don't know maybe I'm over simplifying it
>>77202864
Just don't accept any refugees. We have a coast guard, after all. It's honestly, just not our problem. I mean, it isn't Europe's either, but several European countries' governments decided to accept refugees.
We need to establish more secular dictatorships in middle eastern countries instead of these theocracies, that will keep them in check and make islam less violent.
>>77196280
Islam has been at war with everyone else for 1400 years. This is not new.
>>77203307
I mean personally I don't wanna see our Eurobros overrun, but the cockroaches are the only thing between the refugees and them and geographically its where they're trying to get. Praise based Atlantic ocean. But how do we establish secular dictatorships when a large portion of people favour sharia law?
>>77203129
You are the one claiming that assad dindu nuffin and that the west had to engineer an opposition in order to start a civil war. He did act in an unjust and illegitimate way with the detaining, torturing and killing protestors at a time when the the arab world was trying to throw off their dictators. Shockingly enough it started a civil war and people fought and soldiers defected.
>>77196280
The only way to win is to not support the JewSA, only guns and free speech
>>77203492
I think the aussie is trying to say assad wasn't spectacularly terrible in comparison to other dictators and it was the general instability of the entire region which we had a hand in that helped fuel the fires along with claims of interference and arming of anti-assad groups correct me if im wrong
>>77203578
really makes you think
>>77203492
>You are the one claiming that assad dindu nuffin
He released political prisoners and the saudis immediately armed them.
>He did act in an unjust and illegitimate way
Unjust? Probably. Illegitimate? HAHAHAHAHAHA gtfo
In any case, there are reports of people firing FROM the crowds of "peaceful" protesters, and Assad fired those responsible for using excessive force against them.
Guess you didn't get that in the MSM huh?
Whatever you get paid to spin this, it's too much.
>>77196280
>oil
Hirr durr Bush took durr oil
Fucking blue pilled little nigger, go suck some wachowski's clit, you fuck, if we took their oil we wouldn't have built schools and shit. Fucking retards, have you seen Exxon Mobile go in and take any oil? No cause your a fucking cunt liberal piece of shit, and George Bush did nothing wrong you George Soros funded black loves matter kuck. Fuck you faggot.
>>77203222
Then we must not allow the President to fall to the left again. No matter what.
>>77203578
but why doesn't the general public see through the fact that the govt helped fuck all this up and now they're feeding us to the wolves, it's not that hard
>>77203709
We armed those who wanted democracy after the whole thing had already started. There were plenty of customers wanting democracy and there is nothing wrong with giving them tools to do it themselves at the very least. Unless you buy into the iraq intervention spreading ripples of democracy in the region it was pretty clear the Syrians wanted it because of the Arab spring. Arabs are actually capable of choosing their own destiny and making choices like everyone else.
>>77203914
hmmm yeah fuck the mainstream media even though reliable new outlets are almost exclusively in free countries. I'll trust RT instead :^)
>>77202990
Shouldn't you be out on a neighborhood watch for rapeugees or something
>>77203970
> We armed those who wanted democracy after the whole thing had already started.
seems a bit naive to me
>>77203917
little less overt less time, if you take out the exxon mobile part and add a few more profanities I'd r8 8/8
>>77204079
Go watch the coverage and commentary of the Orlando shooting and tell me how reliable the news outlets are. RT is a disgusting shill but even RT is right sometimes
>>77204166
Well this wouldn't even be an issue if we put up a no fly zone like in libya. Libya ended extremely quickly with hardly any civilian casualties.
>>77204325
do you think Russia is going to obey a no fly zone? Do you think we have the balls to shoot down a Russian plane, not at this point anyways i don't
>>77204254
I only really care about articles I get from my weekly subscription to the economist desu. I will go on the bbc news website just to keep up to date with stuff though. The BBC is more reliable than RT could ever dream of being.
>>77204473
Well by being first they have no choice but to. That is basically what happened in kosovo.
>>77204533
go watch bbc's coverage then, I can tell you the American media has been horrendous in their coverage I'm sure other amerifags can confirm
(side note +1 to economist sub, wish I could read)
>>77204760
I mean the BBC clearly takes a pro gun control stance but that is to be expected.
>>77203970
>>77204079
>We armed those who wanted democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/30/benghazi-commission-obama-admin-gun-running-scheme-armed-islamic-state/
http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/syria-army-officer-beheading-rebels-obama-moderates/
http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/massacre-atrocity-committed-against-syria-civilian-zionist-rebel/
http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/beheading-execution-carried-out-obama-moderates/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/27/turkish-journalists-charged-over-claim-that-secret-services-armed-syrian-rebels
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/turkey-syria-intelligence-service-shipping-weapons.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-arms-idUSKBN0OE28T20150529
>after the whole thing had already started.
I will concede on this one. It was the saudis who armed the initial rebel groups.
>>77204079
Oh, btw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War#Background
>The Assad government opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the Bush administration undertook to destabilize the regime by increasing sectarian tensions, showcasing and publicising Syrian repression of radical Kurdish and Sunni groups and financing political dissidents.[130] In addition Assad opposed the Qatar-Turkey pipeline in 2009. A classified 2013 report by a joint U.S. army and intelligence group concluded that bringing down Assad would have drastic consequences, since the opposition supported by the Obama administration was dominated by jihadist elements. The report was ignored, according to Michael T. Flynn, the then director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, by the U.S. administration.[130]
>A classified 2013 report by a joint U.S. army and intelligence group concluded that bringing down Assad would have drastic consequences, since the opposition supported by the Obama administration was dominated by jihadist elements. The report was ignored, according to Michael T. Flynn, the then director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, by the U.S. administration
>>77204325
Yeah, let's support the """moderate""" beheaders in Syria. I'm certain that another islamist state will turn out SO well......
Considering that the legitimate, popularly elected Syrian government ASKED the Russians for assistance, how about no?
>>77205148
Forgot link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014
A UN-approved election not good enough for you, shill?
>>77205260
ty for the sauces aussie bro
>>77196280
Osama attacked the WTC because the US having "Boots on the Ground" in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War triggered him.
Literally..
He did all this because the Saudis turned to the Americans to save them from Saddam instead of trusting him to stop Saddam.
>>77205067
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Killing_of_Osama_bin_Laden
The guy who wrote that sounds like your average /pol/ poster lmao
>>77205330
When I talk, I know wherof I speak.
Grandpa here? >>77203970
He's just senile.
>>77205041
I have no problem with the US funding the opposition
>>77205330
When I talk, I know wherof I speak.
Grandpa here? >>77203970
He's just senile.
My condolences on those gay dudes btw. Pretty bad happening.
>>77205506
Then you have no problems with US SOF/CIA agents dying under Syrian bombs for doing so.
>>77204325
>Libya ended extremely quickly
Right now Lybia has an ISIS region, Al-quaeda region and moderate terrorists of all kinds. +2 weak official governments that hate each other.
So awesome, good job, let's hurry and make whole ME like that.
>>77205513
should see what the media's doing, they're calling him a "deranged individual" despite some dude that came to his mosque preaching death to gays and his families ties and support to the taliban. It's like opposite land over here, the right wing is actually standing up for the fags and shillary is tossin them under the bus. I never thought I'd see the day.
>>77196280
Yeah, man. It gets worse the more you think about it. Best to just let that shit go. You'll only give yourself heartburn fretting about how many lives have been ruined by those in power over the centuries.
>>77202699
Oh, btw: did you fail to read your own source carefully?
Right in the second paragraph:
>In addition, the presence of armed infiltrators has also being well documented, though ignored by major media organizations at the time. These armed groups of men engaged in provoking the security forces into repressing the demonstrations and carried out well executed attacks against Syrian military personnel across the country.This gave the regime some credibility to its claims of fighting armed terrorist groups. (See http://www.handsoffsyriasydney.com/articles/daraa-2011-syrias-islamist-insurrection-in-disguise/ for more information.)
>>77199334
Our foreign policy is dogshit. Extract cheap oil from our gulf state "friends" and give them overpriced weapons to waste on innocent civilians in return. Then, start proxy wars to pressure hegemony in the middle east.
>>77205260
Syrian pop 22.85 million
turnout 73.42%
Assad got 10,319,723 votes
Nouri got 500,279
wow it really makes you think
>>77205727
Yeah, that Assad is legitimately elected.
Or are you abut to complain that UN supervision is not enough?
That you need a British soldier or US soldier at every voting booth making sure the people vote for the "right" person?
>>77205601
Don't make the best the enemy of good. Libya is far better off than Syria.
>>77205707
that is a very interesting url
>>77205260
UN approved?
>>77196342
>>77196365
>the mighty tomcat
my dick is diamond
I wish I was the first post so I could just say:
jews.
>>77205802
>Literally during a civl war
Yeah dude free and fair ;)
>>77196280
nah...their plan was just un noticed...they was in colonization mode and breeding mode
after 911 everyone noticed them in the street
>>77206156
itt: we pretend this is the first post ^^
>>77206051
Supervised I should have said.
The UN supervised the election and said that it had been conducted fairly and democratically.
More than can be said for some British elections.....
>>77206173
>Yeah dude free and fair ;)
That's what the UN said.
Or do you think you know better than UN experts?
Or should we ask what people living under ISIS think of ISIS? I'm certain they are going to TOTALLY bag out ISIS.
>>77205824
>Libya is far better off than Syria.
Only because it's smaller and gets much less media coverage. There's constant fighting between groups while ISIS is advancing taking cities and oil rigs. Locals are superhappy which is why they migrate to Italy by thousands every week.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3567590/British-special-forces-fighting-Libya-ambushed-ISIS-suicide-bombers-killed-Italian-troops.html
>>77196280
Is this your first time here? This isn't news.
>>77206246
where did you get this info? What I read is that allies of the Assad regime said it was fair and that the EU and US said it wasn't. Also it is pretty rude to shitpost on wiki pages :^)
>>77206398
it's in light of the media refusing to admit Omar was motivated by radical Islam, am oldfag last time I posted here I got a visit from the feds so took a couple year break
>>77206470
to be fair the US was never going to support Assad and the EU follows their lead, just pointing it out
>>77196280
>Second Pearl Harbor
It's exactly what FDR did during the depression, climbed the economy out of the hole by selling weapons indiscriminately to the Soviet Union. Even if it would mean destabilizing the entire continent.
>>77206470
>the EU and US said it wasn't
The UN disagrees. Considering the US's bias in this (funding the rebels, etc.), I dont' trust the US's opinion on the matter at all.
I did provide a link anon. If you can't be bothered reading it, your fault, not mine.
And I never shitpost. So, "sorry 'bout that".
>>77206586
Well neither would because he is a criminal who has ended up causing thousands of deaths.
>>77206671
so we helped fund and arm a civil war ending up causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of refugees, welcome to fucking up foreign policy big time
>>77206617
It didn't say anywhere on that page that the UN said it was fair.
United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon warned that amid the ongoing Syrian Civil War and large-scale displacement of Syrian citizens, "such elections are incompatible with the letter and spirit of the Geneva communiqué" and would "damage prospects of a political solution with the opposition"
It only has this
>>77206671
Hahaha.... just look at all the dictators supported by the US in the past:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/205411/10-vicious-dictators-supported-by-the-u-s-government/
http://www.alternet.org/world/35-countries-where-us-has-supported-fascists-druglords-and-terrorists
Oh and before you go pulling out numbers of dead Syrians, be certain they are not provided by SOHR. One guy in England who is already biased is not an "impartial NGO".
>>77206783
I suppose lots of conflicts could have ended faster if we just helped the side that was more likely to win instead of having morals.
>>77206671
>Well neither would because he is a criminal who has ended up causing thousands of deaths.
Meanwhile Britain and co suck saudi cock and sell them cluster bombs while they bomb Yemen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/british-made-cluster-bomb-found-in-yemen-amnesty-international-s/
>>77206915
this isn't an argument and we aren't supporting any that are killing or have killed thousands in the past few years.
>>77206994
Sorry, what? I couldn't hear you over the sound of your own hypocrisy.....
>US regime has kiled at least 1.3 million peope since 2003
WASHINGTON — A study released earlier this year revealed the shocking death toll of the United States’s “War on Terror” since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but the true body count could be even higher.
Published in March by Physicians for Social Responsibility, the study, conducted by a team that included some Nobel Prize winners, determined that at least 1.3 million people have died as a result of war since Sept.11, 2001, but the real figure might be as high as two million. The study was an attempt to “close the gaps” in existing research, including studies like the Iraq Body Count,” which puts the number of violent deaths in that country at about 219,000 since 2003, based on media reports of the time period
http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225
>>77206933
well we don't have a problem with authoritarian regimes (see above sauce) and I hate to tell you now nobody is going to win, everyone has already lost, a large portion of Syrians are either dead or refugees and the country is in civil war.
>>77206989
Why is it so terrible that the Saudis are not letting the houthi rebels win?
>>77196280
>kept to themselves before 9/11
Look at my flag dipshit. WTC attack in 1993 as well dipshit. Attacks on Israel dipshit.
Just off the top of my head dipshit.
>>77207063
>3 million people have died as a result of war since Sept.11, 2001
use your brain and think to yourself does that mean that the US killed those people? Also is that only civilians or does it say "people" killed because they are including terrorists?
>>77207084
There is a difference between authoritarian regimes and ones that have collapsed and are currently having a civil war and killing lots of people.
>>77207225
we've established they were violent before ty for the thought tho
>>77207307
> having morals.
> supporting oppressive authoritarian regimes
pick one
>>77207410
Well sometimes the best solution is to interact more with the country and let western culture change them over time.
>>77207248
Your argument sounds like [pic related]
>>77207140
They kill tons of civilians in the process and you people pretend that you care about things like that.
Also houthi rebels is local shia militia fighting for independence of their region basically, not some terrorist fags that plan to move elsewhere once they Yemen.
>>77207511
Protip: Syria was incredibly westernised compared to just about all its neighbours except Israel.
The people you support are anti-western islamists.
>>77196280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
bullshit they've always been hostile as shit.
>>77207511
and somehow assad is the exception because reasons? please explain
>>77207140
You are literally discussing things you don't understand.
Either that, or you're from GCHQ.
>>77207631
Because he does not suck US dick and is friendly to Iran and Russia, that's just about the only real reason.
>>77207550
If you actually bothered to look into it you would realise that mos civilian casualties were by insurgents and that western countries spend lots of resources making and using precision bombs to limit collateral damage
>>77196280
Strike Eagles--so fuckin bad ass
>>77207716
>mos civilian casualties were by insurgents
[citation needed]
Like the nerve gas attacks Obama tried to pin on Assad so he could declare war and invade?
The EXACT SAME insurgents you're now supporting?
Wow, you sure showed me!
>>77207819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency_(2003%E2%80%9311)
no, the insurgency we spent 10 years policing and occupying foreign country killing.
>>77208368
US numbers seem kinda low there, but ok.
Now, how does that relate to Syria in any way? Other than US-supplied weapons are being used by foreign jihadis to kill Syrians ?
>>77208560
>giving someone a gun makes them kill people.
only if you're a sand nigger, we give europeans weapons all the fucking time, and they don't do shit with 'em.
>>77208959
The point being i that you are arming islamists in Syria, and people like the britbong are whining that the Syrian government then bombs islamist rebels.
>>77209070
>>77209070
no, we armed anti government forces.
it's a countries that fought in revolutions thing, you wouldn't understand.
>>77196280
What did your dog say when you said that to him?
>>77202938
The protests in syrian towns are well documented fucktard. Of course the populace armed itself for the inevitable, your fucking point? That the US sold guns? What about the Russian shit sold in Bazaars all across the middle east?
>>77209766
he told him to kill his neighbor.
>>77196280
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
This is what millenials actualy believe
Forgotten are the countless highjackings and assasinations
Forgotten is the Achille Lauro
forgotten is the Hague and Black September and all those other senseless killings of innocent civilians
Islam is hate. Muslims, even socalled moderate ones (if you believe such a thing exist) are convinced killing homosexuals, christians and basically everyobe who doesn't agree to converted straightaway, will get you into heaven.
>>77210333
They're coming for you, dutchfag. Holland is right next door to belgium, after all. Your tulips, your windmills, and especially your dykes aren't safe.
>>77196280
Bill Clinton's executive order HR4655 in 1998 started everything. He prohibited Iraq from having WMDs and bombed them for 4 days, causing a shitstorm in the Arab Muslim world against the USA and Western Europe.
>>77211453
No. Moehommad started everything. They've been animals ever since.
