PERIOD
>except the government:
>>77121344
AR-15 =/= assault rifle, M16 = assault rifle.
>>77121413
Who doesn't trust the government? Police officers, although racist and prone to acts of aggression, should be the only ones with these guns!
>>77121685
>>77121344
>"le assault rifle" meme
Kek
Also guns and bombs were illegal in Paris, lot of good that did them.
>>77121344
you must be on yours then.
>>77121621
Those pinko commie freaks had it commin
>>77121997
>>77121344
BAN THE SCARY LOOKING GUN THAT THE ARMY USES!
Are aren't sjw's crediting guns for being the thing that brought the guy down? I'm pretty sure the people inside the club weren't hoping that the cops came with tazers
>>77122155
comply or die faggot.
You're either a law abiding citizen or a nigger.
>>77122226
>comply or die faggot.
>daily mass shooting happens in murrica
>mass hysteria in europe about european gun laws
every fucking time
help
>>77121629
if it's a black gun then it's an assault rifle in the eyes of liberals
>>77121344
All faggots who start their threads with "/pol/ BTFO" should be banned and gassed.
>implying you need an assault rifle to kill fifty people
>>77121344
Are they going to ban planes next?
>>77121344
Well I don't.
Checkmate, kikes.
>>77121915
Surely not government overreach.
>domestic response force of peace
>>77122210
Yes but those guns were held by brave police officers who don't fully understand that black lives matter.
>>77121940
Yes but if we ban assault weapons even though we can't confiscate any that have already been made we can still make a big difference through gun control!
>>77121344
arent you tired of posting this cancer?
>>77122351
>muh puffy wigs
these losers were the epitome of faggotry and should've been drawn and quartered for turning their backs on the crown and Christ.
Yeah bombs are illegal and noone blows anyone up. Ever. Everyone BTFOd.
>>77122680
It's not cancer, it's what's right. PERIOD.
Its going to be a sad day when they take americans guns
>>77122431
or uh not responded to?
novel idea?
>>77122573
>>77122685
>>77121344
Ok these "Occupy Democrats" can have jobs that pay $15 an hour to wear body armor and go door to door collecting firearms.
>>77122744
>Its going to be a sad day when they try to take americans guns
There will be thousands of dead zogites in the streets that day.
>>77121344
>assault
I've got an assault cock concealed in my pants capable of rapidly firing off millions of microscopic projectiles. When will someone ban my high powered cock, it only takes a single sperm to create life.
>>77122744
Wont be in this lifetime, I don't care if America becomes a warzone and this kind of thing happens every single day. They can have my guns when I'm cold and dead, atop a pile of warm brass.
>>77122685
Also...
>UK
>>77122987
im afraid it will go something like you guys start fighting it, few of them die then you will have DESIGNATED places to drop your arms off at and if you wont they will just drone you.
>>77121344
And doors, door guards who check if you have guns or not. ban security.
https://youtu.be/w8NEv1rvDFM
>>77121344
shill harder fag
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
gun bans really helped france out...or mexico...and the government would never hurt innocent civilians...except waco, ruby ridge, the oregon militia, operation northwoods...
>>77123155
>im afraid it will go something like you guys start fighting it, few of them die then you will have DESIGNATED places to drop your arms off at and if you wont they will just drone you.
And what happens when that drone pilot comes back to find his family gutted by the people he was ordered by his Jewish masters to kill?
>>77121344
> be american > ban assault rifle > mass shooting with handgun is the new thing
>>77123342
But its not easy to find out who actually flew the drone and even harder to know his family.
>>77123415
>be french
>>77123626
>But its not easy to find out who actually flew the drone and even harder to know his family.
It's called hacking their database. Or bribing/blackmailing someone on post. Or recon. Or simply attacking the drone station itself.
>>77121344
>>77121344
Come take mine.
>>77121344
You are a faggot.
>>77121344
AR 15
stands for
armalite rifle
it is a civiilain version
of the M4A4
op you cockrider.
So basically you people want to have access to firearms so you won't feel vulnerable to law enforcement officers? So when it is time to fight against "tyranny" what are you going to do? Shoot some SWAT guys? I don't think so.
I wouldn't feel safe knowing that my neighbour has several guns in his house. WTF there are plenty of ways to defend yourself. Guns are for murder. There are so many types of tasers and pepper sprays.
>>77123175
self bump - is this not even a fucking issue in the argument guise
>>77124620
>Pack of urban youths bust down your door
>Fire your taser
>It hits the first one
>He's unfazed by it because of how high on coke he is
>They proceed to smash your skull with a baseball bat and culturally enrich your wife and children
>>77124921
>shoot taser
>gets stuck on clothing and does nothing
>>77124097
>takes 1500 hand pumps to reload
Totes the same thing as an AR-15.
>>77124620
>I wouldn't feel safe knowing that my neighbour has several guns in his house.
Our rights are not subject to your feelings.
>tries to act patriotic
>doesn't support the foundation of our nation
You could kill 50 people with a hundred bucks and a trip to home depot
BAIT THREAD, this guy has NO INTEREST in having a conversation with arguments
>>77125172
>Missing the point that badly
>>77124785
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/multiple-suspects-loose-orlando-why-media-blackout-eyewitness-accounts
best to hush this up and ban guns
>>77124921
>>77125043
So shooting one or two of them would solve the problem? What about an alarm system? Calling the police? Also, if more "advanced" tasers or whatever they use in the military that is non-lethal (microwaves etc.) would be made available to the public then you wouldn't think that tasers are useless. But that's the gun propaganda I guess. We should defend ourselves like they did 100-200 years ago. It's not like we evolved technologically.
>>77121344
LoL,
No
>>77121344
I support a ban on alcohol, because no girl should be raped while unconscious; PERIOD!
>>77125448
The average polic response time is eleven minutes, so if you're willing to endanger your family for that long, by all means, go ahead.
>So shooting one or two of them would solve the problem?
Yes, putting a round in each intruders chest would solve the problem.
>>77125903
I support a ban on money to prevent greed.
>>77125512
These kinds of pics fuck with their agenda. Post more "oppressed minorities" with guns who love "assault" rifles.
>>77121344
shitty bait thread
sage
>>77122685
Kill yourself
>>77126040
Ok. That's your opinion. I still don't want to believe that we are supposed to live like savages. Lots of countries are doing well without having access to firearms.
>>77122391
nailed it
>>77122226
What happens when not being a nigger is against the law?
What happens when the law says you're a nigger with no proof?
Real assault rifles require a tax stamp. They aren't legal for civilians to just buy. Unlike their imitation devices like an AR.
>>77121344
You could kill hundreds with a bomb though. What's an assault rifle, by the way? Because 50 people could have just as easily been massacred by a Henry Repeating rifle from 1866 (the version with the magazine, not the cartridges lined up under the barrel).
>>77125448
>What about an alarm system? Calling the police?
>>77122210
That's always the rub with these events. They always leave out the part where the guy was ONLY ABLE TO BE STOPPED with a gun. He would have killed EVERYONE in there if he wasn't eventually shot. Their argument at that point is usually "hurr well cops are trained". As if you need much training to pull a trigger at point blank range.
ONE gay with a gun in that room could have saved 50+ lives.
>>77126273
Kek
>>77126261
And those countries no longer have the ability to overthrow a dictatorship, so good for them if they're willing to make that trade.
>>77121344
The only way to fix this is using all the guns to kill muslims, that way the world can have peace
>>77122744
Will never ever happen. Literally every single person I know irl and social media is saying they're getting a gun now, at least people who live in Florida. Attacks like this make people cherish their 2nd amendment right more, because there are always left wing hysterics trying to ban them.
>>77126529
>ONE gay with a gun in that room could have saved 50+ lives.
or just killed more as he was trying to hit the shooter with everyone in panic mode.
you gunnuts don't think this through do you?
>>77126365
Yes but if you buy chemicals that are used to make a bomb you may be questioned and even have your home searched. Yet if you have several guns in your home and your son is bullied at school so he is a potential school shooter, you are fine.
>>77123133
I blame the EU...
>>77125448
>So shooting one or two of them would solve the problem?
Yes.
>What about an alarm system? Calling the police?
Alarms don't make bad guys magically disappear, average police response time where I live is FOUR minutes.
>>77123342
I don't know, how does the story end? This is so exciting.
>>77126261
Why do you assume guns = living like savages? They are inanimate objects, tools. It's like saying a society is savage because they use too many shovels or hammers.
>>77126535
Well my point was that even though you have your guns, you still cant do much against swat teams. If there was to be a dictatorship, some guns won't solve the probelm. So why not ban them whatsoever?
>>77126664
Pearl River High School Shooting
Get fucked gun grabber.
>>77126673
>Yes but if you buy chemicals that are used to make a bomb you may be questioned and even have your home searched.
Not really, unless you're trying to fill up a ryder truck. If someone were to space out the purchases enough or just have other people make the purchases its impossible to track.
>>77122226
wow your a boot locking pussy faggot. how about when your neighborhood plow stations tank comes rolling through your god damn front door in a few years and guns down your entire family. are you going to be a gud boi then too you fucking cuck?
>>77121344
#THIS IS AN AUTOMATED POST
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>>77125448
>hurr durr they should release advanced military microwave supersonic taser technology that doesn't exist, then tasers wouldn't be useless hurr
Yes I am positive shooting one or two would solve the problem. Honestly the easiest way scatter a rabid pack of attacking niggers is loud noises and bright flashes, the deadly projectile it's just a bonus. They'd literally be suicidal to keep coming, because I still have 12 more rounds in the magazine and another full mag on my hip.
Plus you guys are already trying to claim we shouldn't be allowed to own weapons that the military has (see liberal definition of "assault rifle"), why is a "military grade taser" all the sudden ok?
> just call the police or something hurr
You know like they say, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. Plus it was ruled on by the supreme court that the police don't have any legal obligation to protect you from harm. Police will if they can, but once again, they are minutes away when seconds matter.
>>77126882
>you still cant do much against swat teams
That's not true at all. If a SWAT team had to go to door in every house in the country confiscating guns, they would not have the manpower. Moral would be a joke after a while because they would have to worry about getting shot at in every single house they went in.
SWAT training doesn't magically make you immune to bullets. Most of what makes SWAT effective is overwhelming force up in your ass before you can even blink. This all assuming the cops would even follow mass confiscation orders. Pic somewhat related.
>>77126857
There could be non-lethal tools that do the job just fine. Of course, maybe not everyone has the money to buy alarm systems, tasers, etc, but if you are poor you will always be vulnerable so a glock won't save you. Are criminals actualy afraid that the one they want to rob could have a gun?
I support a ban on bombs, nobody should be able to make bombs to kill 50 people.
>>77121344
gun grabbing hippie faglords don't care about americans. these are the same retards that would ban guns and then funnel in millions of hostile immigrants in the name of their faggy multiculturalist star trek-esque jerk circle utopian ideals.
>>77127167
The old adage always rings true. "Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."
>>77126664
kys faggot
>>77127314
>There could be non-lethal tools that do the job just fine.
No there aren't. This is no non-lethal alternative to a firearm for self defense. Why are you so worried about killing niggers INVADING YOUR HOME? It's always better to kill them because in several states, the criminal can actually sue you if he lives. I would lose no sleep after wasting some criminals who tried to break into my home and hurt me and my family.
>>77127485
There is no*
>>77123155
ya when the government starts droning their own citizens, it definitely won't cause global outrage.
>>77123230
OP posted this as satire. read his posts. they are all satire. OP agrees with us.
>>77126972
Well Elliot Rodger has questioned by the police at some point before the shooting, he had two registred guns so the cops didn't overthink it. But if he had something illegal in his home, then maybe they could have done something about it. If guns were illegal and the cops would have found some antisocial dude with some guns at his home, he would definitely be suspect.
>>77121344
Government kills more than 50 americans every day.
Where's the protest against that?
>>77127720
>registered
>guns
lolwut
>If guns were illegal
So genius, how are you going to take our firearms once you've made them illegal?
>>77127216
Ok but do you expect the average citizen to shoot SWATs ? If dictatorship were to happen, most would obey. It always happens this way. So actually, the government would have the numbers.
>>77121344
ahahaha, the endless raid which does nothing but cement the FACT that leftists have no arguments and come off as screaming toddlers.
Come at as, then go home and cry about your Pyrrus victories in your hug box.
Most of us aren't even here anymore, this is merely a petri dish for us to breed more /pol/iticians.
Plebe
>>77121344
Aren't like 1 in 5 Americans armed? It should be very difficult to kill 50 of us.
>>77127978
Swat, military, etc are some of the biggest gun nuts on the planet.
Do you really think they'll side with tyranny instead of the people!e?
Do you think they'll goto their neighbors house and tell them "give us your guns or we'll shoot you"?
>>77127869
I know it's not really practical. Not for another 10 years. But it has to start somewhere.
>registred guns
I meant that he didn't bought them ilegally or whatever.
>>77121344
Assault rifles are banned though, unless you pay a hefty tax stamp.
>>77127608
We would get invaded by Russia immediately if they started doing that.
>>77126664
What the hell is the point of having a gun if you're not properly trained to use it? Most responsible gun owners acknowledge this
>>77127720
By your logic if cars were illegal we could have arrested him on that too. It's IMPOSSIBLE to prevent all terrorism, and I want a gun on me if I'm in that situation.
>Not for another 10 years.
Not ever. Many states have laws against creating firearm registries of any kind.
>>77121344
>except for the police & military
>>77127485
Well ok, as I said, if you don't have the money, you are fucked. Trying to win the lawsuits filed against you would cost some money too. I still don't think that modern society should believe that guns will make you safe. When you go to the mall, you are vulnerable, you don't have your gun with you. Or at a gay club.
>>77126664
Do you not understand how retarded your logic is? He was gonna kill the whole room if he wasn't shot. If a gun owner shot him and accidentally killed half the room, that would STILL be a lower death count.
>>77128305
>I know it's not really practical
Yet you think it can be done? How?
>Not for another 10 years.
What does ten years have to do with it? What will be different in ten years that will allow the government to confiscate millions of firearms?
>But it has to start somewhere.
Why must gun confiscations "start somewhere"?
>I meant that he didn't bought them ilegally or whatever.
How would you have been able to stop him from buying them illegally?
>>77128507
Yeah you want a gun on you. But do you go clubbing with your gun? No. So some maniac shooter could very well kill you in the club, kill your children at the school.
>>77128565
>When you go to the mall, you are vulnerable, you don't have your gun with you
So you admit that there is always a vulnerability to terror attacks no matter where you are and if guns are allowed or not? This proves my entire point.
>>77121344
In light of seeing calls for gun control on twitter and other social media it seems important to remind everyone of the following:
There are an estimated 357 million guns(1), and 310 million citizens. One in three owns a firearm (2), making 103.3 Million gun owners in the USA. According to CNN there are 33,636 gun related deaths (3), of which nearly 60% of all of them were suicide (4). This leaves us with 13,455 (rounded up) gun violence related deaths. Which in a population of 310 million equates to killing 0.00004343% (repeating) of the US population in 2015.
However, 48.9% of Violent Crime is Gang Related (5). So from what I can tell, avoid bad areas and gang related activity and you should live an entire life free of lead made holes.
Sources:
1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/05/guns-in-the-united-states-one-for-every-man-woman-and-child-and-then-some/
2: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
3: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/03/us/gun-deaths-united-states/
4: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html
5: https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/gang-related-offenses
>>77121344
Gays aren't Americans.
>>77126664
ya it's better to die lying on the ground in fetal position with your thumb in your mouth crying to mommy. just like that faggot in the bathroom texting his mommy before he died.
>>77126664
>or just killed more as he was trying to hit the shooter with everyone in panic mode.
Just like the police did, eh?
The difference being, with an armed populace, they can at least try to fight back.
And you saw what happened when all those faggots were disarmed with no way to defend themselves.
>>77122590
Assault rifles are just guns with spooky scary black mods.
>>77128668
Exactly, because maniac shooters target GUN FREE ZONES. Why would they do this? Because they don't want to be shot back at. They never target places where people MIGHT have guns on them for a reason. Gun free zones are "please kill me" zones.
>>77128766
>Holocaust
>happened
I get your point though.
>>77121344
People realize that ARs are not fully auto, right?
>>77123133
>c
>$
errrrmmmmmmmm m8....
Oh also, lets not forget the case of Garland, Texas. Two islamic savages got out of the car with rifles ready to spray the whole crowd. A guy with a CONCEALED PISTOL shot both of them dead before they could kill anyone. That could have been the case at Pulse, but sadly it wasn't.
>>77128892
People are stupid
the last country on earth can't be cucked into submission by sophists and retard leftists
>>77128614
>Yet you think it can be done? How?
Several countries are doing fine without citizens having access to firearms.
>Not for another 10 years.
OK I din't thought much about the number of years. I pulled that one out of my ass. But that was not the point.
>But it has to start somewhere.
So we at least try to live as civil human beings. Not murdering apes.
>How would you have been able to stop him from buying them illegally?
As I said, they searched his home, found two guns. If the guns were ilegally bought they would at least have confiscated them. So hopefully, no shooting would have happened.
>>77121685
I hope in the event of civil war you get burnt.
>>77128037
Gun free zones either need to be abolished or protected by more than a few officers. They are literally at-your-own-risk zones
>>77129005
last free country*
>>77128849
That's a graphic made for blue-pilled goyim.
You have to speak in a language they understand.
Sometimes when I see blue-pilled memes with Hitler, I often don't get it for a couple of minutes until I remember that they don't like Hitler.
>>77121413
>TO KILL 50 AMERICANS, PERIOD.
>TO KILL 50 AMERICANS, . ???
>,.
>>77129010
You realize that the last time the government banned Assault weapons, gun homicide didn't go down, homicide didn't go down, Columbine happened in the middle of it. and FBI investigation found that the AWB did nothing to stop gun crime or mass shootings
>>77128688
It proves mine. Let's ban guns. The negative effects exceed the positive. You are vulnerable no matter what. And if you want to feel safe at home, buy an alarm system, non-cardboard door.
>>77128914
Australia
>>77122457
>Implying we shouldn't ban planes
>>77121413
Fpbp
>>77129010
>Several countries are doing fine without citizens having access to firearms.
>Oslo
>Sydney
>Paris
>Paris again
>Brussels
In these cases, even the cops didn't have guns to immediately deal with the attacks.
>>77128766
The shooter had a scar17? pretty patrician taste for a Mudslime desu.
>>77129010
You didn't answer how it could be DONE though. For example, when Australia confiscated guns, it was only allowed to enforce the law because they previously had a registry. The moment anyone starts talking about registry laws, the states that have laws forbidding registries will be up in arms, probably literally.
>>77121344
> because no one should be able to kill 50 Americans
> lets make laws that let them kill 100+ Americans instead
> it worked for France, even Charlie Hebdo was forced to shape up and stop insulting Islam
> we can finally have the same anti-blasphemy laws in the USA, we just need to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and the rest will follow
>>77129343
thats a Remington ACR ad, which arnt even sold to civilians.
>>77127314
Are criminals actualy afraid that the one they want to rob could have a gun?
They obviously wouldn't be afraid that a limp wristed faggot like you would have a gun, but in Arizona most criminals would think twice robbing someone because you honestly never know. We have right to carry openly and concealed, both without requiring a permit.
>Of course, maybe not everyone has the money to buy alarm systems, tasers, etc, but if you are poor you will always be vulnerable so a glock won't save you.
So you are saying that the poor don't have a right to self protection? Having a gun to protect yourself will make you far less vulnerable to attack if someone breaks into your home with the intent to hurt you or your family. Sitting back and doing nothing is probably the worst thing you could do.
Also I don't understand your fixation with tasers. You still for some reason fail, or flat out refuse to realize that tasers are only effective against one target, done. You CANNOT engage more than one target at a time with a taser. You hit and disable the one guy, while his buddy is basing in your head with the crowbar because you are getting his cousin. You are not going to win this argument.
>>77129228
There are no negative effects OR positive, because they are inanimate objects, tools. The "negative effect" those 50 dead gays experienced was ISLAM. Guns are only what the person holding them wants them to be.
>>77129357
Also Austrailia's homicide, violent crime rate, and armed assault and home invasion rates went through the roof
actually it can be safely said that because of the gun ban, more people have died because of it.
>>77129227
You actually believe that guns would always be allowed? It will change eventually. Lots of people support it.
>>77129483
But they didn't die because of spooky black colored guns or die during the same event, so no one cares. Crazy leftists would rather 200 people die in 20 knife attacks than 50 people die in one shooting.
>>77129534
>lots of people support it
no they don't.
The Assault Weapon ban did nothing before, it won't do anything in the future
Rifles were used to kill about 350 people
thats insignificant
>>77122744
No one is taking our guns. There's too much for that plan to ever be taken seriously.
The day the government confiscates our guns is the same day they will be violating more than just the Second amendment, they would be violating the entire Bill of Rights. It would turn into an all out civil war.
>>77129010
>Several countries are doing fine without citizens having access to firearms.
The USA is not other countries. They might be willing to give up their rights but we are not.
Also, those countries don't have the mud people problem that we do.
Not that our firearm rights are subject to crime statistics, mind you.
>OK I din't thought much about the number of years. I pulled that one out of my ass. But that was not the point.
The point was that you think gun confiscations can happen soon. I want to know how you think those gun confiscations will go down.
>So we at least try to live as civil human beings. Not murdering apes.
So how will disarming the law abiding stop the law breaking from committing crimes?
Do you want to make it harder for sober people to buy cars because of drunk drivers?
>As I said, they searched his home, found two guns.
Was that before or after he went crazy?
>If the guns were ilegally bought they would at least have confiscated them.
And what if he hid them? Or they were bought legally?
>So hopefully, no shooting would have happened.
So what if he illegally bought or stole more guns after his illegal guns were confiscated by the police?
>>77129073
>admits the holocaust didn't happen
Oh thank God. It's amazing how many people on /pol/ actually believe the holocaust happened these days.
>>77121344
>Occupy Democrats
>>77129534
You really don't know the demographics here, it seems. Even most liberals don't want to ban guns. Maybe 25% of the country wants more gun control.
>You actually believe that guns would always be allowed?
No, not necessarily. They will NEVER have the means to confiscate 300 million guns, though.
Depends. Are they 50 Muslim Americans? Because if so, then I'm for mandatory assault rifles.
How many people did Omar Mateen save?
Those AIDS bags were spreading disease all over the place. He cured them.
>>77128565
What makes you think I don't have my gun when I go to the mall, or to the club?
>>77129534
>You actually believe that guns would always be allowed?
You actually think guns and crime go away if guns are made illegal?
>It will change eventually
Really, how?
>Lots of people support it.
Then how come the gungrabbers haven't been able to revoke our gun rights?
>>77123133
That's Australia unfortunately.
But it just seems so british.
>>77121344
It's too late to ban guns. Not only is the right to bare arms bestowed upon the American people by the 2nd Amendment,but only law abiding citizens would turn in their guns. Criminals do not care about the law.
>>77129480
Laws has positive effects and negative effects.
Ok maybe what happened Sunday isn't a good example. If it really was a terrorist attack, then those happen in countries like France too. Yet you never hear in France about some kid shooting his classmates because he was angry at his mommy and daddy.
>>77126664
Potential mass shooters have been stopped by civilians with guns dozens of times
Never, not once, has the scenario you're describing happened
>>77129758
Yeah, I guess I have more than one of those type of images. I just can't seem to find my brit one atm.
>>77129005
noice
>>77129615
>It's amazing how many people on /pol/ actually believe the holocaust happened these days.
Unfortunately most people on /pol/ have only come here in the last year or so.
They don't remember /pol/ pre-Obama Romney election.
Back when it was a National Socialism x Libertarian paradise.
>>77129841
>Yet you never hear in France about some kid shooting his classmates because he was angry at his mommy and daddy.
I'm really not sure why leftists place certain types of violent crime above other types. Niggers wasting each other on a regular basis is MANY more deaths than mass shootings, but no one cares about those.
What happened in Orlando was an argument against gun control. Gun free zone cost 50 lives.
>>77129975
>Back when it was a National Socialism x Libertarian paradise.
/pol/ really needs to get back to redpilling the fuck out of the normies.
>>77126697
Deflect and blame whoever you want bongman, doesn't change the facts that Britain is a Sharia state with no freedom now, enjoy your rainy little island as you dream of another empire.
Post your face when Americans lose their precious firearms.
>>77129615
Laws aren't meant to make crime magically disappear. They are meant to reduce crime. So yes, maybe he would have did it anyway, but the chances of the shooting happening would have been lowered.
>>77129975
>21st century
>ignoring historical facts in favor of delusional visions
Do the world a favor and crawl into a burning oven you inbred goatfucker.
>>77130062
This
People don't realize that /pol/ isn't some magical place that redpills fall from the sky
There were daily threads made to expose the jews and teach political theory.
But with all the shills and sliders, it is so hard to get those threads up and running.
>>77123044
I think you banned it yourself by being a basement dwelling trogledite.
>>77130225
oy vey muh shekels
>>77130214
>they're meant to reduce crime
then how come in every country they've been instilled in, they haven't reduced crime at all?
Austrailia gun ban? Homicide increased by 20%
UK gun ban? Homicide increased by 18%
>>77121344
Goddamn people, it's fucking intersectional. Nothing exists in a vacuum. It's simultaneously:
- the American "Culture of Violence"
- Toxic Masculinity
- Religious Fundamentalism
- Poor access to mental health support services
- Lack of community intervention
- Economic and Social stressors causing persecution complexes and radicalization
- Lack of common sense gun control and/or appropriate gun socialization
Any individual thing is unlikely to cause violence on this scale, it's the combination and comorbidity of at least a handful of the above factors that lead to mass shootings.
>>77129841
Well it isn't in our traditions although teenagers stabbing teachers/other teenagers isn't unheard of.
>>77130448
oh i am laffin
>>77130032
Most cities in the world has its "bad" zones. That's why people are more concerned when it happens in a club. Take 9 11 for example. Not so brutal compared to other war atrocities. Yet it is concerning. Or november 2015 Paris shooting.
>>77130214
>Laws aren't meant to make crime magically disappear.
Laws are meant to resitrict freedoms because government can't fix something.
>They are meant to reduce crime.
well it's too bad that gun control doesn't actually reduce crime.
>So yes, maybe he would have did it anyway, but the chances of the shooting happening would have been lowered.
No it wouldn't have. Even if he didn't have no firearms, if he really wanted to kill he would've driven that BWM through a huge crowd of people he hated.
Besides....all those laws do is restrict the law abiding.
Again I ask...how will disarming law abiding people stop criminals from breaking the law?
I personally think everybody should be able to kill 50 Americans.
>>77129534
>Lots of people support it.
Actually gun laws are getting looser by the year in the US. Don't believe the "90% of Murrikans want stricter gun laws" b8 you hear from the politicians, it was a micropoll taken on a college campus.
>>77126664
Most shooters who get shot back at either die or run away.
Either way, I'd take 1-3 fatalities over 100+ fatalities ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
I'd also rather have a panicked defender with a 9x19mm pistol shooting toward me and not aiming for me than a guy shooting at me while aiming for me with a 5.56x45mm rifle.
>>77130225
>>ignoring historical facts
What facts? There are none in regard to the Holocaust.
http://pastebin.com/Uc1EkvGZ
>>77130361
Can you prove that there is a correlation between the two?
>>77121344
It's a slippery slope
They don't want to admit that criminals don't follow their rules, and these people are very resourceful with circumventing bans.
Banning guns doesn't lower crime.
50 kills is statistically insignificant.
Guns also prevent crime.
People should have liberties.
Fact is, on average states with higher gun ownership have lower rates of crime.
>>77130361
People also like to say "but gun deaths are reduced so it's a success".
A lot suicides shouldn't be counted because a lot of people would have committed it with or without guns.
A lot of crimes also happen with or without guns
Same goes for homocides.
Either way, gun deaths are statistically not signficant.
What are 50 people to a nation with a millions and millions of obese?
Why don't they ban caloric dense food?
Why don't they ban smoking?
Guns are scary so they want them banned, but guns are such a small problem even if it's a problem because guns do often prevent crime.
>>77130448
>the American "Culture of Violence"
This too.
America isn't Europe or Australia, it has an actual gang culture and violence is often more glorified.
Of course violent stuff is going to happen.
>>77129841
Those are statistically negigable events. Nothing compared to the thousands of times people save themselves and others with civilian firearms every year
>>77121685
Confirmed troll
you had me going for a second there
>>77129444
they are but semi auto only and not the nice ones they are also very expensive
>>77130062
It will once the 2016 election cycle is gone. It has really fucked with the natural rhythm of this board.
>>77121344
GUYS, ONE POST BY ID, SAGE
>>77129041
I hope that you live many years and choke on the folly of your own dogma :)
>>77130733
pic related.
>>77130873
I've noticed that. too many normie trumpfags coming to /pol/ because the media tells them that supporting Trump is politically incorrect.
>>77125172
Actually the tank can be screwed on and off, so screw off the old one and screw on the new one.
>>77129729
I said lots of people. Not the majority of americans. That means some states do have a significant percent of people that want it to happen.
>>77131006
>>77130448
>- the American "Culture of Violence"
Muslim's seem to be doing just fine cultivating a global culture of violence outside of Americna influence.
>- Toxic Masculinity
you mean Islam?
>- Religious Fundamentalism
99% of terrorism today is committed by one religion and it sure as hell isnt Mormonism.
>- Poor access to mental health support services
there is zero evidence that he suffered from any mental illnesses, you dont need to have brain problems to kill loads of people, just shitty ideas.
>- Lack of community intervention
he attended a Florida mosque that also produced a suicide bomber, his community probobly encouraged him.
>- Economic and Social stressors causing persecution complexes and radicalization
outside pressures arnt needed to form a persecution complex, just look at feminists.
>- Lack of common sense gun control and/or appropriate gun socialization
"common sense" is a buzzword for "anything i want and you dont". it means nothing and can be applied to anything at a moments notice.
inb4 bombs
>>77130989
Not to mention all the paid HillShills that showed up for awhile a couple months back.
There will be a few weeks or a month of "/pol/ BTFO" or "HE DID IT THE MADMAN" shit, then they'll trickle off and things will resume what passes for normalcy around here again. Can't fuckin wait.
>>77130810
Bushmaster sells semi-auto ACRs, Remingtons makes the ones that go straight to the military and police markets.
We dont need to ban guns we need to ban muslims and niggers
>>77131331
>There will be a few weeks or a month of "/pol/ BTFO" or "HE DID IT THE MADMAN" shit, then they'll trickle off and things will resume what passes for normalcy around here again. Can't fuckin wait.
Yeah I think the first week after the election /pol/ will be a radioactive no go zone.
>>77121344
friendly reminder to report and sage shill slide threads.
>>77131224
Ironically, "Common sense" was a term Thomas Payne coined, in reference to natural rights, such as gun ownership.
He could've killed 50 people teleporting with a katana
>>77121413
First post best post
>>77122389
>daily
them fermented shark fins are getting to you
>>77131651
desu...most of them would've died from STD's suicide, or cancer anyways. It's not like faggots live that long in the first place.
Study Confirms Gay Life Expectancy Twenty Years Shorter
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/jun/05060606
>>77124620
>gypsy wants an unarmed populace
I for one am shocked at this development.
>>77131875
whelp... never using the abbreviated form of to be honest again.
>>77131651
>nothin personnel, infidel
>>77121344
>>77131438
We'll just have to be the new Liquidators and trudge into the radiation to clean it up so that old /pol/ can return.
>>77131156
I think it's also about the way gun control was applied. Maybe it wasn't strict enough. Some people will not abandon this right by choice. So the government should force them. That's the only way such a change could be made. And over the years, it won't seem so normal to own firearms.
>>77121344
You're a lousy shooter if you can't kill 50 people with a handgun and enough ammo.
>>77122457
In a gay bar? I could have pulled this off with a box cutter.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h2j1Ng3.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>77129005
>>77126565
This
>>77121344
I support a BAN on flying planes because no one should be able to fly on BUILDINGS, period.
>>77122590
>Yes but if we ban assault weapons even though we can't confiscate any that have already been made we can still make a big difference through gun control!
>>77122698
Ya, that's because most Americans are not psychotic Or Muslim.
I could make a box of 50 decent bombs in less than an hour, drive down the highway and throw them out my window.
>>77121621
Children are only half points.
>>77132316
>Maybe it wasn't strict enough.
So peo
>So the government should force them.
How is the government going to force the people to disarm?
With their own guns of course.
So your problem isn't guns...it's citizens with guns?
And if some of the people decide that another group doesn't deserve a right anymore, it's the government's job to take that right away from the people at gunpoint?
Are you even fucking listening to yourself right now?
If one group of people voted to enslave another and the government enforced it with firearms that would be perfectly acceptable to you?
>And over the years, it won't seem so normal to own firearms.
So once they people have been oppressed for several years the oppression will seem normal and therefore the oppression will be a good thing?
...Fucking gungrabbers man I swear...
>>77121344
what if im a homo that needs to defend against 50 kkk white christian males about to post a disagreeing comment on social media?
I don't even like the NRA but goddamn I love watching the libs get riled up over them every time gun control comes up. It makes me half tempted actually join next time they send me an invitation in the mail.
>>77132734
Wouldn't even have to do that.
I could speed down the highway throwing rocks and I bet I could easily kill 50 people before the cops killed me.
>>77132316
>>77132958
>>Maybe it wasn't strict enough.
>So peo
Whoops. Missed that part.
Meant to say that "so people would be more willing to accept gun control if it was much more strict?"
But I do get to add this quote.
>>77132673
That's kind of a shitty poster. It's kind of implying that more guns equals less crime, but you and the maker of that poster know that's clearly not the case.
>>77133157
I wasn't a member of the NRA until all the gungrabbers complained about them so much after sandy hook.
>>77122685
How did an Aussie get into the U.S?
>>77123342
>>77125448
>What about an alarm system? Calling the police?
These are just methods of alerting Men with GUNS that you require their assistance. Why not cut out the middle man and not bother these fine, tax payer funded government employees. You seem unintelligent.
>>77124620
There is a 50.bmg sniper rifle at the gunshow for about 3 grand. About 2000 rounds of AP rounds at about 5 bucks each at the local gun store. Taking out an entire swat team, vehicles included... Priceless.
>>77122744
>Its going to be a sad day when they take americans guns
They can take the bullets first.
>>77132316
This is a prime example of a Marxist ladies and gentlemen. Indoctrinate over a course of generations.
>>77126673
>Shall not be infringed
>>77123415
Most mass shootings have been with handguns
>>77126128
>>77126396
>>77132958
Lots of civilised countries have this kind of "oppression" going on, as firearms are banned. Yet people don't feel "enslaved" because cops have guns and they don't.
>>77133240
That's exactly what I believe. Pic related I mean.
>>77130323
Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau were two different camps.
Oh look at that, 4 + 2.5 = 6.5
Yep sounds about right.
>>77131875
That life expectancy is slightly shorter now.
>>77133240
>If you have gun control then only the political elites will have guns
Oh yeah, because that has totally happened in Switzerland and Sweden. Some forms of gun control are perfectly compatible with owning weapons for defence.
In fact several of them actually enhance your right to defence.
If you made a militia of the average American gun owners they'd probably get destroyed by a few Swedish teenagers that actually know how to use guns.
>>77134104
>Lots of civilised countries have this kind of "oppression" going on, as firearms are banned.
Civilized countries don't ban firearms. Oppressive countries ban firearms.
>Yet people don't feel "enslaved" because cops have guns and they don't.
Just because they don't know they're enslaved doesn't mean they aren't enslaved.
>>77134275
>That's exactly what I believe.
You miss his point if you think the government being the only ones with firearms is a good thing.
>>77134104
They also can't say only 5999999 jews died in the holohoax and not get thrown in jail. Yet they think they have freedom of expression.
>>77133690
What's your point? Yes I have my political opinions. You say that I'm indoctrinated. I could say the same about you. You are indoctrinated to believe that guns are the way to go.
>>77122226
SHALL
>>77134595
NOT
>>77121413
This being already the best post, and coincidentally the first post, we have no choice but to declare this particular post as
FIRST POST BEST POST
>>77129228
>The negative effects exceed the positive.
4 u
You must not be a very big guy
>>77133675
>not stockpiling ammo & reloading equipment
>>77134516
>Oh yeah, because that has totally happened in Switzerland and Sweden.
The people have access to firearms there.
They also don't have a massive mud population.
Or anywhere close to the Jew problem we have here.
>Some forms of gun control are perfectly compatible with owning weapons for defence.
Really? Name some.
