Pet ownership is essentially slavery. You purchase your pet. You force it to live with you. You train it to obey, and if it doesn't, you punish it. You use it for entertainment, companionship and/or labor, completely disregarding it's own inherent natural freedom.
>But he/she's happy, you can see it.
One could argue that their display of affection is nothing but a symptom of the Stockholm syndrome. After all, they were taken forcefully from their mother (unless it's a stray).
>They wouldn't survive in the wild anyways
That argument only applies to the "pets" that are still in circulation, not continuous pet-breeding.
Say what you want, but breeding animals for our personal enjoyment is a petty and morally unjustifiable act. It doesn't belong in civilized society.
>>77111873
>classic cuck post
Correct. It is the natural order of things. Deal with it, cuck. As a man, I shoot things, I lift things, I enslave things. It's in our blood. Keep crying about it on a pedophile anime forum though, I'm sure it'll help.
my dog has the best life ever
go fuck yourself cuck
i've given my dog plenty of opportunities to run away if it so pleased, it never does.
It gets food, shelter, compassion and exercise and it doesn't have to feel stressed out about any of it.
>>77111873
>Child ownership is essentially slavery. You make your child. You force it to live with you. You train it to obey, and if it doesn't, you punish it. You use it for entertainment, companionship and/or labor, completely disregarding it's own inherent natural freedom.
>>But he/she's happy, you can see it.
>One could argue that their display of affection is nothing but a symptom of the Stockholm syndrome. After all, they were created forcefully by their mother (unless it's an adopted one).
>>They wouldn't survive in the wild anyways
>That argument only applies to the "children" that are still in circulation, not continuous child-breeding.
>Say what you want, but breeding children for our personal enjoyment is a petty and morally unjustifiable act. It doesn't belong in civilized society.
>>77111873
Well I would love to be my dog, she only sleeps and barks, she seems happiee than I
>>77112079
The child was conceived by you and your partner (and is allowed to leave when grown up). It's not even remotely the same thing. You steal the pet from his/her's mother. It's barbaric.
>>77112061
>B-but muh Stockholm Syndrome!!
>>77111873
Is Stockholm Syndrome why you allow muzzies to take over your country and rape your women? Top cuck.
My dog loves me and I would do anything for that little fucker. Much, much more than can be said about you Swedecuck.
>>77111873
you better go and set all your bulls free then
PETA plz go.
>>77112058
>>77112061
>>77112098
>>77112296
>People who don't understand the Stockholm Syndrome.
>>77112042
This.
The world doesn't run on your morality. Just because an organism can feel pain or happiness it doesn't mean other being will cater to it.
I have zero qualms about killing livestock or hunt to feed myself or even to love the calf I will raise to slaughter later. It's their destiny to serve me.
>>77111873
We should release all our animal slaves and watch them starve to death. That'll save them.
>>77112794
You're not white so your opinion is irrelevant.
>>77112806
Read the entire OP. Pets that are still in circulation should remain pets. However, continuing the practice should stop.
Pet ownership ain't slavery.
Breeding them is slavery.
FCI/TICA and all it's subordinates should be treated as terrorist organizations and dealt with accordingly.
>>77111873
My wife is on vacation and her dog died somehow while I was at work (neighbor found it).
She blames me.
Fuckin stupid ass dog.
>>77113031
WOOOOOOOOOWWWWW
Reported.
>>77111873
Come stop me, Swedecuck.
>>77112042
>romanticizing your inability to resist primal instincts
>>77113393
I fucking hate this bitch so much.
>>77111873
Fuck you Op ~ The aliens spliced and diced dogs and cats to be our companions when they pulled us from the trees and gave us a big brain and opposable thumbs.
>>77111873
Dogs same as cats chose to be part of our lives because it is beneficial to them.
>>77111873
Im pretty sure my cat would disagree with you.
>>77111873
There are so fucking many studies that completely obliterate your post...
Just as an teaser, they did a study with very young pups (around ~7-8 weeks old).
They were put in a room with an unknown dog (male/female) and an unknown to them human (male/female), different pups, different dogs and humans in various combos were tested.
The vast majority of pups walked towards the unknown human, who did nothing to incite them to come over.
They also made the same test with wolf pups, they choose mostly the dog.
Then another study found out that both humans and dogs get higher oxytocin levels in their blood after looking at eachothers faces.
Which is very uncommon for cross-species contacts.
Face it Muhammad, living together with dogs didnt only change dogs, it also changed humans. Atleast us evolved ones.
>>77111873
Really makes me think
>>77111873
>free water
>free food
>free shelter
>free medicine
what terrible slavery!
>>77114095
>The vast majority of pups walked towards the unknown human, who did nothing to incite them to come over.
Doesn't justify enslaving them.
>Then another study found out that both humans and dogs get higher oxytocin levels in their blood after looking at eachothers faces.
Doesn't justify enslaving them.
>>77114058
>Im pretty sure my cat would disagree with you.
Stockholm syndrome
>>77113990
>Dogs same as cats chose to be part of our lives because it is beneficial to them.
They didn't choose anything. They were forced.
>>77114210
Guess you wouldn't have a problem with the government institutionalizing you then I guess.
>Free water
>Free food
>Free shelter
>Free medicine
>>77111873
Have to agree OP. It is cuddly slavery.
>implying pets are not for entertainment
>>77114095
All dogs are bred from the approximately 1 in 100 gray wolves that are not aggressive toward humans. It is just selective breeding and completely irrelevant to OP's post.
>You purchase your pet.
I guess I paid for gas, to get to the grocery store, yeah.
>>77111873
Cool anthropomorphism.
>>77114879
Cool anthropocentric speciesism
>>77114383
Prove my pets have Stockholm Syndrome then, Muhammed Al-Achmed
>>77115150
Sure. Are you willing to send him/her to me so I can make a psychological evaluation?
>>77114383
Could use all of this logic towards children.
Children are slaves, they dont have choice, we punish them, ect ect ect.
Guess we shouldent have children in civilized society
>>77115318
Why should you need that, you're making your initial silly diagnosis without that.
>>77115414
>Could use all of this logic towards children.
No, you couldn't. I've always answered this pathetic strawman. >>77112220
>>77111873
>Pet ownership is essentially slavery. You purchase your pet. You force it to live with you. You train it to obey, and if it doesn't, you punish it. You use it for entertainment, companionship and/or labor
Literally what else are we supposed to do? Just not have dogs and cats? Ok, well I hope you understand that you are suggesting laws that would take something away from people they like. So don't be all shocked and bewildered when people don't agree with you.
>completely disregarding it's own inherent natural freedom.
Like what? What would dogs do without us? Kill cats and shit all over the place? It's better to have dominion over the animals, so we feed them, we pet them, we play with them, etc. They benefit from it more than we do. You don't even really have an argument. You're just asserting that it's bad with no actual argument to back it up.
>One could argue that their display of affection is nothing but a symptom of the Stockholm syndrome.
You don't know what they think you retard. This whole post is just retarded. What is your IQ and what do you do for a living?
>>77115632
>Why should you need that, you're making your initial silly diagnosis without that.
In case you wanted written proof from a certified psychologist. You could steal a child as an infant as well, and it would grow up to like you as it's own parent. Does that justify the act?
>>77115723
So foster homes are barbaric? adoption? surrogate parents?
What if you dont steal it from the mother, and raise it with its mother? still barbaric?
>comparing sentient creatures with sapient creatures
>>77111873
This thread almost perfectly mirrors the arguments about human slavery in the 1800's. Too bad the animal anti-slavery advocates are outnumbered 100,000 to 1, so the discussion is moot.
>>77115813
>Literally what else are we supposed to do? Just not have dogs and cats?
Yes
>I hope you understand that you are suggesting laws that would take something away from people they like.
Just becacuse they like it, it doesn't make it O.K.
>Like what? What would dogs do without us? Kill cats and shit all over the place?
Probably. What's your point?
>It's better to have dominion over the animals, so we feed them, we pet them, we play with them, etc. They benefit from it more than we do.
Same argument could be made about the government institutionalizing people. It's for their own good, right? >>77114445
>You don't know what they think you retard.
Do you?
>What is your IQ and what do you do for a living?
Irrelevant to the discussion.
You're just some pathetic loser trying to justify your morally bankrupt behaviour. Shame on you.
>>77111873
wrong
My animals love me and choose to live here
i let my cat out all hours of the day and he comes home to sleep, hang out, and eat
>>77116189
>muslim shithead
>speaking of morals
>>77111873
Where do you want those dogs and cats live then? On the streets? Domesticated animals need humans to live.
>>77116040
>So foster homes are barbaric? adoption? surrogate parents?
No, because that's basically like stray animals.
>What if you dont steal it from the mother, and raise it with its mother? still barbaric?
If they are allowed to come and go as they please, no. Then it's perfectly acceptable. Put your hands on them, start forcing, that's when it's immoral.
>>77116189
How do you plan to go about getting rid of dogs and cats? What do you plan on doing with the animals that you've removed from people's households?
Have you thought about the logistics of this at all? Or do you just hold this mindset so you can feel morally superior to other people?
>>77111873
You're just pissed that the dog doesn't have to wait in the cuck-shed when Tyrone comes over like you do.
>>77116050
Guess you wouldn't have a problem with selling and purchasing people who are in a permanent state of comatose. Disgusting.
Also, how do you know they aren't sentient? Just because they don't meet the criteria for human sentience?
>>77116212
Good, nothing wrong with that. You know as good as I do however, that that's not what's like for the majority of pets out there.
>>77116267
>Gypsy
>Thinking he can comprehend ethics
Get out.
>>77116287
Like I said. Pets that are still in circulation should be kept as pets. The process of breeding more however, needs to stop.
Good to see there are psychos who will put animals up with humans. Whether it's right or not doesn't change the fact that people are going to continue to own and buy them. Wasting a lot of energy to complain about something you'll never have any sway over.
>>77116382
>How do you plan to go about getting rid of dogs and cats?
I never said I'm personally trying to achieve this. I'm just throwing the red-pill out there.
>What do you plan on doing with the animals that you've removed from people's households?
Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension >>77116575
>Have you thought about the logistics of this at all?
What about the logistics?
>Or do you just hold this mindset so you can feel morally superior to other people?
It is the moral way.
>>77113805
That's going beyond primal instincts you cuckhead. In todays world you can easily just work a dead end job, eat, sleep and if you're social enough fuck - that's essentially all that is needed for survival. You have to go out of your way to take care of a pet, to kill something, to grow your muscle, you control the nature in this way and not the other way around.
Dumb cucks should be banned from this board jesus.
>>77116708
>Whether it's right or not doesn't change the fact that people are going to continue to own and buy them.
So we should just tolerate the act because it'll happen anyway? Legalize murder then as well I guess. Legalize rape. Legalize pedophilia. Legalize everything. People like you are disgusting.
>>77111873
Nice b8 posting.
Animals are inferior.
>>77116212
My Mexican neighbors saw me shoot a cat with a bb gun a few days ago when I was shitfaced. Didn't say or do shit.
Keep your cats in your own fucking yard or I'm getting my box trap and using my 22 instead
>>77111873
>You force it to live with you.
Dogs legit depend on humans for their survival more than eachother, they perform horribly in the wild as they don't really know what to do. Hell if mankind vanished from the face of the earth, dogs would be the next to go, they're very co-dependent and the measure of bond it has with its owner pretty much ties in with its survival rate. Almost 30k years of domestication would do that.
>>77117173
>Dogs legit depend on humans for their survival more than eachother, they perform horribly in the wild as they don't really know what to do.
Doesn't justify the continuous practice.
>>77116400
>Guess you wouldn't have a problem with selling and purchasing people who are in a permanent state of comatose. Disgusting.
It's illegal to purchase or sell human body parts.
>Also, how do you know they aren't sentient? Just because they don't meet the criteria for human sentience?
>doesn't realize the difference between sentience and sapience
>too stupid to Google
Animals are sentient. Humans are sapient. Great apes, dolphins, and some whales may be sapient, but I don't support ownership of them.
>>77111873
>cat came
>feed them
>won't leave
>mfw i want them to leave
>>77117363
>It's illegal to purchase or sell human body parts.
Why? The body parts aren't sentient. So according to your own logic, it should be perfectly fine.
>Animals are sentient. Humans are sapient.
Oh, so you have to be sapient to avoid being owned as property? How come?
>Pet ownership is essentially slavery.
Sure whatever, Sven. I'm a human supremacist and what you cucks call a 'speciesist' so your arguments aren't doing anything for me, bub. Sorry.
HUMAN rights don't apply to NON-HUMAN ANIMALS
>>77117887
>human supremacist
>not white supremacist
C'mon now.
>>77117309
>Doesn't justify the continuous practice.
It does because the alternative would have them die out in the wild as they lo longer can function properly. It's like throwing 25 japs in the middle of the congo, wtf are they supposed to do?
Hell brain scans have even showed that dog's typically have been so accustom to domestication that they are actually growing smarter and smarter, and have formed ties with humans beyond that of eachother, they legit see their owner as part of a family and recognize them from about feature they have.
It's like some exotic salamander or something, the very existence of dog's rest in the hands of humans and the practice of keeping dogs as pets have helped them leaps and bounds. In the future they will likely be one of the most intelligent animals slightly below humans. Yet you want to damn them to extinction.
>>77117928
Freedom isn't a human right. It's the right of every living thing.
>>77118147
Define "right"
>>77111873
>taking this post seriously
>>77111873
Holy fucking shit the tging isn't human you will drive yourselves mad trying to defend the righys of every last plankton. Human beans stick together beyond that we are free to enslave endanger and extinctify any non human entity if it makes our lives slightly easier
>>77118069
>It does because the alternative would have them die out in the wild as they lo longer can function properly
Doesn't matter if they out. They aren't beneficial to the eco-system, and they don't feel once they are gone.
>Hell brain scans have even showed that dog's typically have been so accustom to domestication that they are actually growing smarter and smarter, and have formed ties with humans beyond that of eachother, they legit see their owner as part of a family and recognize them from about feature they have.
Stockholm syndrome. Also, it still doesn't justify you stealing them away from their own mothers. It's disgusting and vile.
>It's like some exotic salamander or something, the very existence of dog's rest in the hands of humans and the practice of keeping dogs as pets have helped them leaps and bounds. In the future they will likely be one of the most intelligent animals slightly below humans. Yet you want to damn them to extinction.
Stop trying to play God.
>>77118208
Purchase a dictionary (if you can afford one).
>>77111873
Animals are not people you cunt.
>>77117622
>Why? The body parts aren't sentient. So according to your own logic, it should be perfectly fine.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to see that placing economic incentives for obtaining human body parts is very dangerous. That's why I oppose selling a comatose body.
>Oh, so you have to be sapient to avoid being owned as property? How come?
Sapience is a fundamental element of humanity. To behave in society and be treated as a person (an individual with rights and responsibilities), you need to be sapient. Individuals whose sapience is lacking (children, the mentally ill and retarded) are treated differently by the law.
An animal does not possess sapience so it cannot participate in society on the level of a human. They are even lower performing than children or the mentally retarded, so they possess even less rights.
>>77111873
I want to slice some animal open just for reading this thread.
>>77118389
Rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people
> inb4 animals are people
>>77111873
pets are degenerate, they prey on your nurturing instincts that are meant for children. Leftists always love having pets.
>>77118147
>Freedom should be allowed to every living thing.
>We allow freedom to even micro-organisms, such as bacteria
>Everyone gets sick, no one can use medicine because it be would restricting their freedoms.
>Human race dead as common bacterial diseases now kill easily.
Can you shitpost any harder?
>>77111873
Slavery: the state of being a slave.
Slave: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
>Person
Dogs benefit from a symbiotic relationship with humans that drastically improves their life quality, breeding capability, security, and food supply. Morally justified and not petty.
>>77111873
I expect this from a Swede, you have a point though, regardless the animal has been born and i treat my dog as my friend always, he's mine and im responsible for him but I don't say that I own him
>>77118445
>Even someone as stupid as you should be able to see that placing economic incentives for obtaining human body parts is very dangerous. That's why I oppose selling a comatose body.
Your argument was sapience. These people aren't sapient.
>Sapience is a fundamental element of humanity. To behave in society and be treated as a person (an individual with rights and responsibilities), you need to be sapient. Individuals whose sapience is lacking (children, the mentally ill and retarded) are treated differently by the law.
Good, so your previous argument is irrelevant. You advocate the right for people to purchase bodies who are in a state of comatose.
>An animal does not possess sapience so it cannot participate in society on the level of a human.
So? They can still feel pain, and a host of other feelings. You disgust me. You think you're more entitled to freedom just because animals aren't equally intelligent as you.
>>77111873
Kill yourself, you fucking brainwashed cuck.
>>77118500
Who is to be considered a person?
>>77118879
not all animals can feel pain tho
>>77118630
If the bacteria attacks you it's obviously alright to defend yourself (i.e. with medicine). Stop strawmanning you autistic fatass.
Fuck off Swedish faggot. Also most dogs are the actual owners of the household.
>>77118917
per·son
ˈpərs(ə)n/
noun
1.
a human being regarded as an individual.
>>77118908
This thread is directed towards civilized countries. See last sentence of the OP. Non-white, 3rd world shitholes need not reply.
>>77111873
Well then there are two clear choices anon. You either let every dog out into the wild, completely killing natural habitats are dogs struggle to find their way in. They will take other animal's niches, along with likely be a destructive force like wolves. Those that survive, anyway. Most will be smaller breeds, so their chances of survival are dismal at best. Thousands of dogs will die every year on the street, as they fall prey to any number of natural occurences.
Or, you just stop breeding them. Kill off the dog species in about twenty years, making it illegal to so much as attempt to breed them. All puppies will be carted off to special facilities to be raised in captivity, where the slavery will continue until they're dead. Then once they're dead, no more slavery because no more puppy breeding.
Neither of those options are appealing. So we keep dogs in the house. Anyway, taking care of a living creature because you love it is actually sweet. Dog owners can be pretty based.
>>77118917
People, as based on a certain genetic code and birthed by other people. This is really easy to distinguish a person from something that is not a person. Is Oscar the Grouch a person? No. Is that lamp a person? Is the person shit-posting so furiously from Sweden a person? Unfortunately so.
>>77111873
Fuck off, Sweden. Pet animals are completely dependent on humans. Without us the majority would simply perish. They've been bred to be this way. Too late for your feelings to mean anything. Go suck Tyrone's cock.
Okay OP, we enslave them. Where is the problem though? I would like to get enslaved by another species anytime if they can satisfy all my needs as a human beeing.
>>77111873
Can Muslims fuck off? I'm sick of you trashy people trying to fuck over dog owners.
>>77116189
ITT:
Bunch of slavers gang up on some poor noble Swede.
Get the feminists on board. You will have to sell this to women to have any chance of making headway. Pets are personal slaves used as substitutes for children and provide the same brain chemistry feedback that was evolved for child rearing. Taking modern woman's last hope for something to nurture is a lost cause.
>>77119113
I've already been through this idiotic argument. Learn to read, stupid slav.
>>77112566
>>People who don't understand the Stockholm Syndrome.
Yes, (You) clearly don't understand it, it's a useful evolutionary trait... in humans, fuckwit
>>77118344
>. They aren't beneficial to the eco-system so it's ok if they die out.
Now who's trying to play god by wiping out an entire species, and their corpse sure as shit will have some hell of an effect on the eco-system when they become a massive breeding ground for parasites and etc. Dumping million's of dog's outside of human society in the wild is going to have an incredibly catastrophic effect on everything and will end with alot of animal death and disease to which the likes we may have never seen.
>Stockholm syndrome.
There's not a single brain scan that backs that up, as dog/human relations are even formed at birth. Not to mention a puppy requires human attention consistently or it will yelp as it fears being left behind by a pack, which the human is part of. Show me a single study that applies a human condition like stockholm syndrome to a dog aside from your asspull.
https://mic.com/articles/104474/brain-scans-reveal-what-dogs-really-think-of-us#.EeRjGxFQ2
>Stop trying to play God.
Developing intelligence off of interaction with one another has been something has pack animal has done since possibly a brain developed, but i'm playing god here because what you have to offer in it's stead is a mass extinction of multiple breeds and and a complete apocalyptic ecosystem effect in which parasites and bottom feeding animals might thrive, then it'll be one hell of a over population issue. But who cares about them right? Like you said it doesn't matter if specifc breeds go extinct.
>>77111873
Do you mean ALL pet ownership, or just the typical casual pet owners?
>>77119434
Fuck off stupid cuck.
>>77114445
I actually would, give me free internet and that's a done deal
but you and I know society isn't stupid enough to own me as a pet because they know they can profit off of me and actions i take while free
>>77111873
You think that it's not all braindead out there, you hope there's still some moderately intelligent people left on this board, and then -- WHAM! -- comes a post from a leafer or a Swede.
I'm sorry, can't we just end the stupidity and the shitposting and ban these two countries? They're not even trying to be funny, they're just retarded.
>Having a dog as a pet is slavery.
Yeah, but I don't whip my dog when it fucks up. It doesn't know any better. And it doesn't demand reparations and affrimative action to make upfront dogshit you never did.
>>77111873
>stocholm syndrome
You misspelled domestication, fuckwit.
>>77111873
Dogs stick around becasue they see you as the pack leader because you provide food and take care of them.
Only a sweedish cuck will fail to see the importance of a pack since they are self absorbed scum.
I don't trust people who dislike dogs.
>>77119480
Pet owners who give their "pets" complete freedom to do whatever they want are not the problem. In order for this to work, however, you need to live out in the country. Also only works with strays.
>>77111873
You're an idiot or b8. Dogs are genetically engineered to like you, it's like a stockholm syndrom towards humans since birth. Domestication is more than just enslaving something, these animals enjoy being around people.
>>77111873
so what about having children? basically every "argument" you made, also applies.
>>77111873
Pretty sure this is a copypasta. I've definitely seen this exact post before and it is just as retarded as before. It's like saying that having a child is slavery.
>>77119906
Yeah I guess that makes it alright then. German women are psychologically engineered to like arab cock. Guess you're fine with that too? Your women being sissy slaves for arab men? Get out of here with your fucking retarded logic.
>>77119935
Learn to read. I've already gone through this argument. It's near the top.
>>77111873
you're literally the reason why swedes are nothing but memes on this site, now take your shilling to reddit.
>>77119248
That would never work because feminists need pets for companionship because they can't attract a mate.
>>77119434
I don't care about your shit. I'm not going to go through the entire thread just to tell you that you're fucking retarded.
But you know what? It makes me fucking happy that you're frustrated by this. You can't do shit about it! Understand that, faggot? You can't do shit! Now go get your progressive ass fucked by Mohammad or whatever shitskin passes for a Swede these days.
>>77120181
Definitely b8 m8 r8 0/8...
>>77111873
You are talking about fucks who think dogs are their servants, but what about me who had a cat and he was literally my best friend. I'm not so much of a social guy but I would share anything with my cat.
I had never punished him, the only thing that punished him and was a blight on his life were those breeders who have inbred him in order to create a ”pure feline race”. Sigh!
>>77111873
>Sweden decides that people are slaving their pets.
Let's say what you saying is not completely insane, what do you suggest people to do to stop "dog slavery"?
>Stop them from breeding of course.
So genocide of multiple different species then, fantastic.
For fucks sake Sweden, can you be a little less stupid?
>>77111873
Ok. I'm going to free me dog and let the natural selection do the rest if its better to you.
>>77120181
It's you who's is the retard, but I'm sure you're b8ing anyway.
Better deal with the fact that there's nothing you can do about it you useless cuck.
>>77111873
Oh well, faggot. Nothing you can do about it except cry on a Malaysian farmers forum from your wife's son's ipad.
>>77113119
Stfu ahmed
>>77111873
I don't know much about the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am aware of the fact that your wife has been diagnosed with the Malmö Syndrome.
>>77111873
No Muslims or niggers allowed on /pol/.
Sometimes I'll just toss a blanket over my dog and he'll roll around until he's all wrapped up like a burrito and then just wiggle across the floor, rubbing the side of his snout on the carpet. I think he likes how it feels. He'll also grumble at me until I scratch him on the snout. I've noticed that every time I find the itch it seems to hop to a new location, which makes me suspicious that there is no itch and he just likes having the side of his snout scritched.
That ... I guess that addresses the OP? I just felt like sharing.
Pic related: not him, but it could be his twin.
>>77111873
So. What's your solution then? Freeing them to ruin the local ecosystem and let the stronger dogs kill the weaker ones? Systematically killing them to end their slave race misery?
You are making an argument about something but you not bring up a proper solution.
Without solution your argument just a big Judas Mark on pet owners.
>>77118879
>Your argument was sapience. These people aren't sapient.
I know they're not. My reasons for being against the sale/purchase of comatose humans, essentially human body parts, are DIFFERENT REASONS. You own your own body, but effective ownership of it passes to a significant other/family upon death or in a coma as per your previous instructions (if you had any).
>So? They can still feel pain, and a host of other feelings.
Yes, which is why they have some rights, just not as many as humans. You're not allowed to torture them or treat them cruelly, for instance.
>You disgust me. You think you're more entitled to freedom just because animals aren't equally intelligent as you.
Yes, I do. Participation in society and the rights and responsibilities that confers on you is an agreement under the assumption that you won't infringe on the rights of others. If you violate this, you can have your rights taken away with due process. If you are an individual who, thanks to inferior mental faculties, cannot be expected from the outset to respect these rules, you have less rights (ex. children, mentall ill/retarded).
An animal is even lower functioning than a retarded person and can be expected even less to respect the rights of others. As such, they have less rights from the beginning.
This is all rather obvious and is the basis of civilization. Unless, of course, you're a mouthbreathing Swedecuck vegan/unlimited bait machine.
>>77117131
Fuck off redneck
>>77111873
>Pet ownership is essentially slavery
This implies slavery is bad
>You use it for entertainment, companionship and/or labor, completely disregarding it's own inherent natural freedom.
I live for me and my own interests
Sorry, swedecock your stupid arguments doesn't work with an egoist utilitarian with a dose of moral relativism
>>77121188
>redneck
Are you lost?
>>77111873
I agree OP.
However you are ignoring one fact. The animals we breed for pets and for the meat trade etc, have been bred over hundreds of years to be docile and like human companionship.
Some dogs and farm animals would find it very hard to survive in the wild.
As a vegan I find it a difficult situation.
>Given a great life without any real worry of food, survival, disease etc. while living in 100x more comfortable and enjoyable situation than one could possibly hope to in the wild. All in exchange for your companionship which is mutual.
>Durhur stokhulm syndrom!111
Swede is a fucking idiot. It would be the equivalent of an alien giving you the life of a multimillionaire without any of the business stress and all you have to do in return is play some ayy lmao monopoly with e.t every other friday.
>>77111873
>implying my little 18lb retard dog doesn't love free food and shelter
>>77116821
they should be banned from life.
all the cucks should be ovened.
NIGHT OF THE ROPE WHEN? EVER?
>>77121449
>As a vegan
Consider suicide.
>>77118454
Ow the
>>77112566
Ah yes, it would be much better if my dog was starving on the street and devoured by wolves
Go fuck yourself 2/10 troll got me to post
>>77121744
>Given a great life without any real worry of food, survival, disease etc
That's just you though.
The problem with owning pets is that almost anyone can have one and some people commit terrible abuses against these animals which have no voice.
Are you ok with knowing that somewhere a pet just like yours is being beaten and starved and forced to endure terrible suffering?
I think there should be strict controls on owning pets. The owner should pay to have officials who will check on your animal to see how healthy it is and its condition. If you fail the checks the animal is taken and rehomed or you have to pay to receive training in how to look after your pet.
>>77111873
even your ID is arabic.
Fuckin' swede.
>>77111873
What about human slaves
>>77121449
That the trap of 22
You can't free them beacuse they are
-to many
-breeded to produce milk/meat/fur/etc.
-unable to survive in the wild
-momma nature is cruel mistress
But keeping a (semi-)sentient animal as a living factory is immoral.
But in the other hands an another species would do the same if we never exsisted and animals don't usually think outside their own species.
Also pic realated is a Holstein. It was breeded to produce milk. His body is firstly produce milk and only SECONDLY gonna us his energie from food to sustainment.
>>77111873
>Live in a cuckshed
>force-fed gallons of shitskin semen everyday
>forced to pay for your wife's cucklings
>wife establishes your dos and do nots
>not allowed in the house during cucking unless specifically requested
>enjoy all of it
Why wouldn't a dog enjoy an even better life than yours, cuck faggot?
>>77113031
snownigger
>>77111873
vanity animals are useless and need to go, both for their own sakes and ours
sadly in burgerland this accounts for the vast majority of them, mostly by vapid Paris wannabe cunts who have no talent or skill nor desire to work on one so look at my little yap dog isnt he cute awwh he likes you anon
this is why i am extremely pleased that in the eyes of the law of this country these animals are considered property
but otherwise
when they serve an actual purpose they really can be your best friend
i think that animals deserve to live a fulfilling life doing the things that they normally do and form a symbiotic relationship with their handlers
but existing solely as an accessory in selfie photos and being used as a manipulation tool to sucker people in/push them away ... yeah ive had enough of that faggotry
Could someone explain to me why slavery is wrong from a moral perspective?
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>>77122795
Because Jews said so
>>77112566
>dog just has to keep watch in the house and not fuck up the furniture
>also has to shit outside like it would do anyway
>gets free food, love and shelter in return
If this is slavery, I wonder what those niggers are crying about
>>77122795
Because you have no autonomy. You have no way to protect or provide for yourself. You have no freedom.
Surely, as an American who holds his freedom above all else, you can see why it would be immoral if someone came along and took all your freedoms away.
However, the term "slavery" needs to be better defined. It could be argued we are all slaves to society and government.
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