I mean... he's got a point, right?
Didnt some atheist from pol shoot Christians on a campus not too long ago?
can we just agree that this is a male problem? i mean was there ever a female shooter?
>>77015503
What about that nigger white nationalist from a few months ago, the Columbine shooters, Polytechnique here in Quebec (atheist muslim by the way), etc?
>>77015670
Ban assault-testosterone!
>>77015503
Except for Chris Mercer, and the guy who shot that American singer two fucking days ago
>t. Joseph Stalin
>>77015613
Yes, but like any sufficiently successful religion, the atheist priesthood conveniently ignored that uncomfortable fact.
>>77016057
>>77015503
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chapel_Hill_shooting
Atheist, Democrat, Rachel Maddow fan shoots some Muzzies
no one goes on a mass shooting in the name of atheism. that doesn't make any sense. i'm sure a lot of the autism shooters were atheist, but that fact just isn't relevant.
in fact i think even breivik was atheist. he said somewhere in his manifesto that he didn't believe in god, but he appreciated the values and history of christianity.
They don't leave their house, what were you expecting for ?
>>77016153
>muh stalin was an atheist
his massacre had no connection to his faith
>>77019574
Yes it did, because if you're an atheist the tendency is to devalue human life
>>77019971
That's ridiculous. If you're an atheist you place more value on human life because it's all you have.
>>77015613
You mean this?
It was some sperg on r9k, all in all it was a pretty funny happening.
>>77020313
http://poal.me/r9k/
forgot link
>>77015503
Because you have to be somewhat fit for shootings.
>>77020203
Maybe your own, but if you believe that a human being is nothing but a collection of cells that momentary experiences consciousness (if even that) for no apparent reason, it can be easy to justify getting rid of people who are in your way.
>>77015503
fucking atheists with the "all religion is equally evil"... how did they become so degenerate ?:(
>>77015503
You know what, he's on to something, but for the exact opposite reason.
Meanwhile, rampant, irrational naziphobia is, like, totally fine, since it's """""fighting fascism""""".
>>77020470
That's pretty weak argument. If people do have souls killing them is actually less abhorable as it merely ends their current life.
who knew the ghost of robin williams was a fedora edge lord
>>77019574
>>77020725
Nazism is pretty fucked up because, once it gains power, it WILL hurt people.
>>77020844
No, because as an atheist you can do all the evil shit you want and believe it has no consequences. Stalin is at the top of the Soviet Union, so he can kill millions and it has no consequence.
But if a Christian kills millions, he knows he's fucked and he's done a horrible thing
>>77020470
Every life is a beautiful accident and should be cherished.
>>77020844
This.
If I were to believe in an afterlife of eternal peace and kindness, I'd see myself as doing you a fucking favour by killing you and sending you to Heaven.
>>77021152
Wait, so you only don't do bad stuff because you are afraid of hell? It's probably better that you are a christian.
>>77020964
There is no god though. No god is the natural state of the world. Therefore if communism and atheism are inseparable then communism should also be the natural order.
>>77021101
You are an irrational naziphobic bigot.
>>77015503
The white and asian killers tend to be secular/atheist autists
>>77021526
Explain?
>>77021369
If you can get away with doing something that benefits you, with no consequences, why wouldn't you? Besides "muh feels" or "stick it to those backwards Xtians XDD"
>>77021153
But you could just as easily believe the opposite since atheism abolishes moral frameworks.
>>77021842
>p-p-prejudice's, like, totally baaad
>but naziphobic prejudice is fine because I say so
>>77022307
How is it "naziphobia prejudice"?
Your ideology hurts people, that's not prejudice, it's, like, self preservation
>>77022261
Because it's wrong? If we all would just do what we feel at the moment live would be unbearable.
>>77022261
All moral frameworks are based on human opinion and observation.
I personally subscribe to Neitzsche's theory of master/slave morality.
Though I can see the merits of Aristotle's theory of virtue ethics as well. For an attempt to create a theory of normative ethics, it does a pretty good job.
>>77022492
You aren't allowed to criticize nazism until you read Mein Kampf in original german. #notallnazis
>>77015503
>tfw Fedora shot some Christians just a few months ago
Also wasn't McVeigh an atheist?
>>77019574
>Hold an explicitly atheist ideology
>Murder millions of Christians and burn down churches
Sure thing Chaim.
Everyone says this shooting had nothing to do with Islam.
So apparently it was a secular shooting.
So basically atheist.
>>77022492
>Your ideology hurts people, that's not prejudice
Uhhh, I've got bad news for you, Mr. Naziphobic bigot.
>>77022947
Damn it anon you're brainwashed, who did this to you
>>77022819
McVeigh said he was an agnostic, but that's just the same thing practically.
>>77022492
> Your ideology hurts people
> Communism and other accepted ideologies doesn't through
Shut up, the only reason nazism is put down is because they lost the war.
>>77023047
>if you are not a nazi you are a commie
Go fuck yourself, I never said that, I despise communism as much as I despise nazism.
>>77022578
Why is it wrong (besides the morality given to you by living in a Christian society)?
>>77022640
Aristotle believed in a sort of pre-Christian monotheism though, so he believed in transcendence, and thus the idea that absolutes could exist.
Nietzsche is more of an atheist thinker since his idea was basically that there is no moral absolute so you need to just make shit up. Of course this is baseless, and a result, useless
>>77021373
>No god is the natural state of the world
No religion isn't the natural state of humanity, though: almost all societies throughout history have been religious in some way or another.
>>77021152
>No, because as an atheist you can do all the evil shit you want and believe it has no consequences
>what are jails
>what is guilt
Being atheist isn't being a coldhearted monster, you don't need faith to feel empathy or kindness you fucking leaf
6 out of 7 of these faggots were atheists.
Seems to me that violent crime in this country is a democrat/leftist problem.
>>77022261
>atheism abolishes moral frameworks.
I have only heard Christians say this - atheists seem to have no trouble believing in morals still.
>>77015503
nope, because stalin, mao, etc
>>77023355
>Jails
Externally-imposed morality, literally nigger-tier.
>Guilt
Why feel guilty without feeling that you were wrong to violate a moral standard?
>>77023187
This is why they call us monkeys. Stop the embarassment.
>>77023201
Nietzsche is one of the greatest moral thinkers in history. All morality is essentially baseless. He just proved it.
Aristotle's theory of ethics was mostly based on how one could achieve happiness. He suggested that it could be done by finding the golden mean between vices and virtues. This virtues can differ by culture and society so it's applicable to many different situations.
>>77023201
>Why is it wrong
Well, i wouldn't liked to have shit stolen from me and i understand that other people don't like it either. So i don't steal. It's hardly a purely christian invention, "golden rule" is a really old and really widespread concept.
>>77015670
There's been quite a few actually.
>>77023506
elliot rodger wasn't liberal
>>77023709
Can you defend your point of view without using 100% ad hominems?
>>77023593
That's because most atheists don't understand the implications of their atheism and never consider it. That's why the moral code of most atheists is "the parts of Christian morality I find easy to follow"
>>77015503
If you don't hear that it was done for God by a religious nut, it was done by an atheist.
>>77023278
Because they were almost all primitive and wrong.
There have been plenty of thinkers who've called religion out for the bollocks that it is. Socrates comes to mind.
>>77023685
I'm pretty sure you are confusing atheists with psychopaths. Don't worry, most christians do.
>>77015670
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)
>>77023034
>you're brainwashed, who did this to you
How ironic.
>implying Atheists leave their house
>>77023685
>Why feel guilty without feeling that you were wrong to violate a moral standard?
It's literally scientifically proven that killing another living being causes the killer to feel physically sick unless you have brain problems.
>>77015670
You'll find cases of that. San Bernardino recently. Rare though.
Men do it more because men have will power. Women would be nightmares if they cared enough about politics or if they couldn't rely on their vag for social comfort.
>>77023187
So you support prejudice against communists? Do you agree to fuck with the 50% petistas of our country?
>>77023856
Isn't christianity basically "the parts of Jewish morality I find easy to follow"?
>>77023815
>>77023772
>Nietzsche
If you take for granted that there is no God, no absolute, then and only then does Nietzsche's argument follow.
>Aristotle
So Aristotle would find something like stoning infidels to death ok?
>>77023777
But if someone wanted to steal something, and could get away with it, and let's even say that the victim wouldn't notice it was missing. What would you say to dissuade him?
>>77023968
I just think you're one of the atheists who doesn't understand the implications of his atheism
>>77024346
Why is disagreeing with an ideology called "prejudice" now? Are you the same feminazi/LGBT that says "whoever is not gay/feminazi has prejudice against us"?
>>77015503
Theists BTFO
>>77024230
Not an argument
>>77024363
You should read the New Testament, you'd be surprised at how stupid the shills on /pol/ are
The two jackholes that shot up Columbine, I think the Asian kid from /r9k/ that went on a rampage was an athiest and The Joker Wannabe was a fedora too.
>>77024425
>What would you say to dissuade him?
That there is an immortal jew in the sky that won't stop him from doing a bad thing but he will throw him into a lake of fire (even if no such thing is written in the bible) for all eternity unless he submits to him and symbolicly eats his flesh?
>>77024425
There is no god.
Aristotle wasn't trying to give an absolute code of law. That's why I like it. Philosophers like Kant or Bentham are what you want if that's what you're looking for.
>>77024647
>saying guilt is biological and therefore you don't need religion for it is not an argument
whatever faggot
>>77015503
This post converted me to islam.
I'm a cruzmissile now!
>77 replies
>1 post by OP
Sure is summer in here
>>77024647
>You should read the New Testament
Read it multiple times and i'm eternally grateful that unlike old one it doesn't forbid my people from eating kaszanka and czernina.
>>77015503
>atheists aren't notable even after committing a shooting that millions of people will never forget
he does but i don't think you actually thought about it.
>>77015503
Atheists are too beta to go out and kill people. They make their lackeys do it for them.
>>77024996
Nice strawman, typical of closed-minded atheists
>>77024977
Aristotle was really big on what would later become natural law though, which is a universal code of ethics.
>>77024996
>I say that guilt requires a moral code that someone feels they've been wrong to violate, or else there is no guilt
>you point out that people feel guilty when they do bad things
That's why it's not an argument
>>77015503
Funny how every one spins this. Then they'll blame others for putting their spin on it, a kind of sneaky counter-spin of their own.
>>77025307
If you read it multiple times you should know that it's completely different from Jewish "morality"
>>77023947
>Socrates comes to mind
Here's an exchange from the Apology by Plato
>And so, Meletus, you really think that I do not believe in any god?
>I swear by Zeus that you believe absolutely in none at all.
>You are a liar, Meletus, not believed even by yourself.
although there is a school of thought that the Apology isn't accurate to what Socrates said. I've yet to see any evidence he was an atheist, though.
There haven't been that many atheist thinkers, compared to how many theistic ones there have been - and I think it's still weighted towards theism even if you account for the pressures from society. My opinion is there's something innate to the human mind about religion - even if you strip away the superstitious aspect or the tendency to take everything literally.
>>77025954
It really isn't. There is a reason why old testament is a part of christian scripture and reading from it is a part of a mass.
>>77023187
>I despise communism as much as I despise nazism.
Why are you hating nazism as much as communism when, according to the information in >>77020725, the far-left is so far much more vicious and dangerous to society?
>*knock knock*
>>"Who's there?"
>Naziphobic prejudice.
>>77020349
He probably did post on /pol/ as well.
>>77023856
Christianity doesn't have a claim on those ideas, though - some of them (like the Golden Rule) show up in other moral traditions,
>>77026119
Because >>77020725 is not the possessor of the ultimate truth?
>>77019971
people say this but there is little evidence for it
most criminals including murders, even white, tend to identify as Christian much more than Atheist
religion = low IQ Low IQ = violence against other humans
>>77021297
Nigger, if i believed in afterlife, i would not be killing anyone in the first place, since i would be screwed over in the afterlife then.
Atheism is degenerate if it does not include some other set of values equal or greater to the christian moral compass.
>>77026295
That's because Christianity, in addition to the supernatural life of grace, preaches also the natural law which can be known by reason. Doing unto others as you wish done unto you is a principle of justice, not faith, so anyone can arrive at it just by using their natural reason.
>>77026481
That's horribly selfish of you, don't you think?
>>77015503
Atheists simply don't have religious texts as reasoning for violence. Nothing stops them from holding personal beliefs/opinions that would cause them to do the same.
>>77026107
I'm thinking either you haven't actually read the New Testament, or you've read it without properly understanding it.
>>77026295
But the original point was that they don't show up in atheism, and Christianity goes far beyond the golden rule.
>>77026076
I don't think so. If you raise somebody as an atheist then they will probably remain one. If there was something inherent to our minds about religion then that would not be the case.
>>77026278
5'9"
>>77019971
>because if you're an atheist the tendency is to devalue human life
no
>>77020203
>If you're an atheist you place more value on human life
no
Atheists hold nothing in common beyond the lack of belief in a god. Personal beliefs are different for every damn person. Stop making connections where there are none.
>>77026363
The argument here is about moral principles, not the behaviour of criminals.
>>77026650
How about this: the laws of biology state you should try to have as many descendants as possible. Why is it morally wrong (from an atheistic point of view) for me to head to Poland periodically to impregnate sluts and then ditch them?
>>77015670
Roasties prefer to cry for attention
>>77020964
Based
>>77026709
What are those incredibly important rules that only christianity preaches and which atheists are mindlessly trampling under their ignorant feet?
>>77026972
>>>/r/atheism/
You're so dumb that you think you can say
>people who share a philosophy don't think alike
and not be called out on it
>>77024965
>a lake of fire (even if no such thing is written in the bible)
>Revelation 21:8 ESV
>But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
>Revelation 20:15 ESV
>And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
>>77027256
Philosophy of atheism? What is that? What rules and beliefs it encompasses?
>>77027256
Give it a break, leaf.
>>77027256
Being an atheist isn't an entire philosophy on how to live. You simply said no to one question. If the majority of atheists thought apple pie was the best flavor of pie that doesn't mean they think so because they're an atheist. There's no connection beyond one you're trying to make.
>>77027179
You can't have an absolute moral code if you're an atheist, since you believe that there is no absolute.
>>77027398
The belief that there is no God, and thus no absolute and no purpose to human life. Most atheists (like you it seems) try very hard to deny the implications of believing this
>>77027256
Name something beyond a lack of belief in God that atheists must share in common.
Maybe you are just speaking in general terms?
>>77027580
If you believe there is no God, there are certain implications that go along with that. I don't get how atheists can pretend to not see this.
>>77016391
The atheist didn't do it in the name of atheism
>>77027776
Write a book about it and teach the world. Until then you're wasting everyone's time including your own.
>>77027345
Oh, the book of possibly christian acid trip. Less we will talk about it, the better.
>>77027398
>>77027580
No, but atheism does have implications beyond simply "not believing in God". It is extremely difficult to sincerely be an atheist without also being a monist and materialist (in the philosophical sense). It is also extremely difficult to simultaneously believe in concepts like duty and moral obligation.
>>77026709
>the original point was that they don't show up in atheism
the original point as I understood it was that atheism was regurgitating christian morals.
>>77027684
Atheists implicitly (at the very least) believe there is no absolute morality. Thus, any moral code is relative and can be changed. Violating it doesn't mean anything and carries no consequences besides an arbitrary bad chemical reaction in the brain (I'm ignoring externally-imposed morality here because it's nigger-tier and should not be discussed)
>>77027638
>no purpose to human life
Now you are just putting words into my mouth. How is appeasing a jewish deity an only possible purpose that human life can have?
>>77015503
REALLY
>>77028053
If you scroll up, my first post in this thread was pointing out that atheism devalues human life (through the absence of a moral code, among other things)
>>77015503
>Stalin
>Columbine
>Mao"3 inch dong" ze dong
Gg xD
>>77027882
You can either continue to cling to your pleb-tier r/atheism memes or actually think on your own for once
>>77028216
If human life is finite, and death is truly the final end, it has no value.
>>77015503
I've noticed that most if not all atheists seem to be socially awkward or autistic in some way, extremely bitchy and moody, pedantic, they'll argue to the death over semantics and shit that normal people would find boring and pointless. They're often uncouth, loud, hypocritical and rude. Most of them know they'd get a smack in the mouth or end up looking like a douche if they were to waffle on about boring shit in the pub to their friends who find them irritating but bring them out with them out of decency and sympathy, that's why they almost exclusively stick to their own blogs, youtube and reddit. This goes for so-called right wing atheists too, it's not exclusive to openly leftist atheists, they're always the most weird of the bunch, the ones that want the most power themselves, "oh no God can't have power over me, but the world would be much better if I were in charge, just give me 2 weeks in charge, I'd put everything right and get rid of the degenerates! I have it all figured out" . 'Right-wing' atheists are just thinly veiled humanists with big heads. Many atheists see God or the idea of God as just something else to rebel against, that's why many atheists appear to be leftists, it's just another cause or belief for them to adopt which they can use to roughly define their purpose which they themselves are unsure about. The so-called right wing atheists are typically the Ayn Rand types rebelling because of their own ego, only these people admit they're egotistical while the leftists never will.
I've read a lot of stories about how people came to be atheists too, lol, they make it sound as if "coming out" as an atheist is such a chore as if they're the hard done by victim. Most people think you're a twat and then move on. It's something they share in common with queers, they're extremely vain, think they're worthy of consideration.
>>77015670
Generally the women just do a shitty job of it, like pretty much everything.
>>77015503
As an atheist, I feel compelled to call bullshit. Atheists are just as capable of violence as anyone else; heck, Stalin was one.
>>77026338
Oh, so in >>77022492 you claimed, and I quote:
"Your ideology hurts people, that's not prejudice" and in >>77023034 you've even went as far as calling a substantiated opinion which happened to be different than yours' "brainwashing" (an ad hominem, as you've accused someone else of in >>77023848) and in >>77023187 you've even admitted to irrationally "hating nazism as much as communism", when there's far than less of a reason to do so [>>77026119], and now you are putting into question facts because they do not happen to coincide with your negative preconceived notions of National Socialism?
Not only is such fervent Naziphobic hatred doing you no good, it is actually standing in the way of true Equality.
Sir, you are an irrational, naziphobic bigot.
>>77028499
I am the one thinking for myself. You horribly misunderstand the entirety of this topic because you're either biased or shitposting.
>>77028499
>If a bank note is finite, and its retirement is truly the end as it becomes shredded, it has no value
I am so glad I am not as stupid as you.
Stalin and Che Guevarra never killed in the name of their ideology
>>77015503
Not true, mental illness is always a discussed cause after every mass shooting.
>>77015503
You know what nobody has ever said?
"I'm glad he was an atheist"
>>77028592
"Right-wing atheists" is probably where you see people who least value human life. "I could fix society, but millions of people need to die," posted completely unironically and without a hint of self-awareness
>>77027957
There is quite a lot of implications of christian faith that christians don't like to acknowlege as well. How about the fact that in the end christianity is in it's core anti-nationalistic (there is no jew or greek)? Or that while faced with hostility christians are encuraged to follow their god into martyrdoom? In the cultural battle against islam the rule to turn another cheek your people started to take seriously all of the sudden is getting the whole west into a lot of trouble.
Holy shit. Robin posting beyond grave. Heaven exists!
>>77024373
Fuck. You beat me to it.
>>77026742
>If you raise somebody as an atheist then they will probably remain one. If there was something inherent to our minds about religion then that would not be the case.
Using humans in western societies to prove something about human nature doesn't work well in my opinion; as I see it the majority of people in our society are pretty detached from their instincts and the mind's natural way of working.
You might be right about some of the aspects of religion like superstition - that might be banished by rational explanations of natural events. That isn't all of religion, though - and plenty of people in various societies have had experiences and revelations similar enough to suggest to me there's something more than "made-up stories" there.
If you want to then say it's mental illness that would be a somewhat understandable viewpoint but it still doesn't explain it in a satisfactory way to my eyes.
>>77028499
>If human life is finite, and death is truly the final end, it has no value.
If the human life is just a finite prelude before an infinite life afterwards it has NO value.
>>77027957
>It is extremely difficult to sincerely be an atheist without also being a monist and materialist (in the philosophical sense). It is also extremely difficult to simultaneously believe in concepts like duty and moral obligation.
Still has nothing to do with being an atheist. Those are all separate things people would learn from their friends and family as they grow up. Different experiences create different trains of thought in us all. Doesn't matter whether you're a theist, atheist or some other nonsensical ideology.
Who is Elliot Rodger?
*tips fedora*
>>77015670
>>77028853
>human life is money
If human life ends at death, eventually there will be no humans left, and the entirety of the existence of the human race will have produced nothing of value. Therefore, human life has no value.
This follows from atheism.
>>77029185
Wrong, because with an afterlife, even the smallest of our interactions with people have lasting value.
>>77027850
so, all the faceberg post says is that its never a know atheist. this is not true
>>77029300
>Who is Elliot Rodger?
Whitest white man who ever whited of course!
>>77015503
Anders Breivik is an Atheist. He is only culturally christian.
>>77027909
>Matthew 25:41 ESV
>“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
or does it have to be a lake?
>>77029387
>Wrong, because with an afterlife, even the smallest of our interactions with people have lasting value.
Why? You will have literally an infinite time in heaven to interact with every good person who ever lived!
>Muslims do something
>"A-all religions are the problem!"
>>77029203
It has everything to do with being a coherent atheist. Sure, you can self-identify as an atheist and also as a dualist, but it speaks to a poorly thought out worldview.
>>77029021
I agree, but just because many Christians are inconsistent doesn't mean atheists should be excused for it.
>>77029185
Nothing has value. Value is something humans give to things. Take the universe and grind it up into the finest powder and sieve it through the finest sieve, and find me one atom of mercy, one molecule of justice, one particle of meaning.
And yet, you act as if there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some rightness in the universe by which it may be judged.
You may need to believe it, but that does not make it so.
>>77028111
It seems like there could easily be an absolute morality determined by the nature of humanity or by "natural laws".
>>77023506
>believing adam lanza did it
wew lad
>>77015503
Because in cases where they are atheists, they have some other non-religious reasoning or a political manifesto which drove them to do it
Fucking stupid atheists thinking they're a step above everyone else
>>77029010
Pretty much this.
Just aswell as raging leftist internet atheists and atheists who claim to be fully rational beings who replaced faith with science but still deny science if it doesn't fit their politically correct worldview.
>>77029620
Well, Matthew is a pretty late work so no wonder that it has incorporated more modern view of the christian afterlife. But let's not dwell into gospell acounts or we will spend the whole thread on nothing but throwing passages at each other.
>>77030087
>but still deny science if it doesn't fit their politically correct worldview.
The singularity may be the greatest evidence that no matter what beliefs you claim to hold, humanity cannot be rational when it comes to things they want to believe.
>>77029139
TUMBLR SCIENCE
I'm an atheist, but I shut my fucking trap because I live in western Christian society.
Fellow atheists should realize they aren't entitled to an opinion when they literally owe their right to apostasy to Christian men who fought for it.
>>77029688
Yeah, so everything that ever happened will have lasting value because the people who did it will live on after death.
>>77029021
Those sayings were on the personal level. Note that pre-Christian religions of the Orient were very hierarchical (like how the Pharaoh had a special place in Heaven). So by saying neither Jew nor Greek, Jesus is saying that all are equally capable of salvation. It doesn't relate to nationalism, it's saying that God accepts anyone who can follow him.
Same for turn the other cheek. It's saying if your brother does stupid shit, don't hold a grudge and forgive him. It's individual-level and doesn't mean "let muds destroy Christendom." Urban II would strongly dispute that
>>77024470
Are you the same naziphobe/fascistphobe that says "whoever is not antifa/far-left naziphobe has prejudice against us"?
>>77015503
Elliot Rodgers = atheist that was pegged for being beta instead of atheist
Adam Lanza = atheist that was pegged for being beta instead of atheist
James Holmes = atheist that was pegged for being a psychopath instead of atheist.
just a few examples.
Atheists being beta psychopaths seems to be a real theme though.
>>77023836
He was a fedoramancer though.
>>77025277
moot has confirmed there is LESS traffic in summer
>>77029830
Yeah, but you have to make a few non-atheistic assumptions there or you end up at relativism again. Like for there to be a natural law, there must be structure to the universe, and human intellect must be able to comprehend it. If there is no God, there is not necessarily a structure to the universe and it would be awfully strange if human rationality could somehow completely understand the universe
>>77015503
Somehow i don't think eric and dylan, cho, dorner, holmes, perfect gentleman, Lanza, or loughner were particularly religious. In fact It would be accurate to describe all of them as atheist if anything.
>>77028274
MAKES
>>77030593
Might makes right, Hitler lost. Fascism was proven wrong in the heat of battle. That's the way it is you faggot shit.
>>77030403
That doesn't make any sense. Everything you will ever do and say can be done and said by you an infinite number of times becouse you will be living an infinitly long time. Every moment and every action have infinitly small value becouse is a finite part of an infinite series.
The convensation we are having takes a significant portion of my life. That is a part of my life i am offering to you. You on the other hand are giving me something you have an infinite amount of.
“Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.” Mark 12:43-44
>>77015503
muslim terror is rarely carried about by atheists
>>77031043
Yeah, but as soon as we die, this conversation we're having dies with us and as a consequence it becomes meaningless. An alternative is that we eventually meet after death and laugh about this conversation we had all those years ago over the internet, in which case what we're doing now does have meaning.
>>77015503
sup
>>77028274
>party goers
>>77031637
hell of a party.
>>77031483
It has meaning NOW. Not in ten billion years. The same way that cathedrals and castles build centuries ago will crumble into dust at some point in the future but they do heave meaning until they are here.
>>77030800
having studied columbine before, i know for a fact that eric harris held to a materialist ideology of some kind. he moronically defended his plans for the massacre in a journal as an example of "natural selection". he even wore a shirt with the same phrase written in magic marker on it during the shootings, if i'm not mistaken.
>>77030660
Rodger seems like he was a narcissist (grandiose fantasy, rage at perceived slights) and although narcissism is often co-morbid with ASPD (psychopathy) I can't see him as a psychopath. And Holmes was diagnosed schizotypal.
I think they were all one-offs, really.
>>77031981
It still will have meaning because (as you should know from Sunday school) man was originally meant to not die, and after the resurrection we'll have immortal bodies again
>>77031637
Top lel, hard to believe that's one guy. Honestly looks like a 69 thing going on between two people.
Also, does anyone have the quote from Obama earlier today? He spoke of what he thinks happens in a gay night club. He was talking about people going there in solidarity and to join together to discuss civil rights and shit. Fucking hilarious
>>77030984
Do you also fellate mass immigration, while simultaneously glorifying your own literal extinction in order to prove how much of a good, exemplar anti-"""racist""" you are?
That sure is proving "might"...
>>77032369
>Sunday school
I wish, i was learning all this shit during normal lessons at school. Man originally wasn't supposed to have a knowledge of good and evil neither.
>>77030795
If there's a natural law then you could expect that any intelligent creatures forming a society would have to evolve in line with the natural law in order to survive. Like enforcing the honouring of contracts for example - a society which doesn't enforce it won't be able to compete with a society which does.
Human intellect doesn't have to comprehend it in other words - the correspondence between human intellect and nature is that human intellect is an expression of the natural structure or has to survive within it. So nature comprehends human intellect rather than vice-versa.
I think you're assuming we would have to know or be able to work out that it's absolute, which is where I disagree. I think it can be hard-wired into us in a way we can't avoid even if we never find out that it's absolute and not relative.
https://youtu.be/PUzExsAJLmI
>>77033101
>black science man
>>77032504
>Do you also felate mass immigration
Can't.... say that I do...
>>77032752
In practical terms that just means that after the resurrection it'll be easy to resist sin.
But you're lucky you have that in school, religious education is shit here and I had to teach myself most things.
>>77032946
Contracts and oaths and all that are very Western concepts that you don't find in every other culture (which is why it's silly to expect immigrants to take oaths seriously, but that's another topic). Often, these cultures that don't honour contracts are more numerous and own more territory than Western countries that do respect those, so following natural law is not an absolute guarantor of success, if you define societal success in purely biological terms.
I also disagree with your claim that human intellect must necessarily be in line with the natural structure. You're making a sort of teleological claim here that the human intellect orients itself towards being in line with the universe by nature, and of course everyone here would probably agree with that, but it's not necessarily the case. According to the laws of biology, the human intellect would just need to be oriented in such a way that humans can best SURVIVE in nature, not necessarily understand it
>>77029021
Panama fag changes hos proxy to Poland
>>77034901
A chcesz się założyć? Bo tutaj szablistą polszczyzną tnie, świszcze i chrzęści.
>>77034349
>the human intellect would just need to be oriented in such a way that humans can best SURVIVE in nature, not necessarily understand it
right, and it seems like that would lead to an absolute law which humans would need to stick to - maybe I used the wrong term, I should specify I meant that it's absolute to humans ie. it isn't "whatever works for you" or "just make it up".
so it may be relative to humans as a species (other species have other moralities based on their unique survival needs) or it may even be relative to various human societies - the key is that it be absolute at an individual level, so you wouldn't be able to decide what morality will be today. I think that's all atheists are claiming.
>>77033908
There are many ways to "fellate" mass immigration, many less literal than others; but they all share the same goal in the end.
>>77030800
>Lanza
HE DIDNT DO IT!
>>77035533
But an absolute at the individual level is not an absolute, it's relative. For an absolute to be absolute it must be universal
>>77036099
in that case your statement here >>77028111
>there is no absolute morality. Thus, any moral code is relative and can be changed.
needs reassessing or I need it explained again. If it's hard-wired into us according to survival then it can be changed if circumstances around us change, but it isn't up to the human will individually.
>>77030317
>>77025638
Aristotle was an atheist. Neitzsche could have believed in a god but absolute morality could not be understood by men because of the subjective moralism that actually occurs.
>>77026481
You'd only be screwed over if you subscribed to the way the afterlife is described by people whose religions you find idiotic. Why bundle?
>>77028592
>most
lol negro lol
>>77029139
>the shoot hole
>>77037323
>Aristotle was an atheist.
I thought he believed in a "prime mover".
>Aristotle argues, in Book 8 of the Physics and Book 12 of the Metaphysics, "that there must be an immortal, unchanging being, ultimately responsible for all wholeness and orderliness in the sensible world".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover#First_philosophy
>>77037096
My point in both is that atheists can't come up with a universal moral code because of their atheism.
>>77037323
Totally wrong. Aristotle is far from being an atheist, while Nietzsche is a definite atheist.
