The price of cigarettes in Australia is out of control.
What the absolute fuck?
>It is estimated that 25 cigarettes will cost roughly $40 (or more) by 2018.
>That's like $34 USA dollars I think.
What the fuck?
Australians are the highest taxed in the world when it comes to purchasing cigarettes.
Cigarettes have gone up 200% in the past 10 years here for no reason other than the government can impose taxes because they simply can.
How the fuck can this shit be stopped?
>People are going without food to supply their smoking habit.
Obviously you might think to quit, but yeah it doesn't work like that.
>It is my right to smoke.
>Also; You have no right to complain about me smoking as i walk past you eating on the sidewalk of a yuppie cafe whilst you suck up exhaust fumes from busses all day you hoes.
Now, Cigarette prices in Australia are fucking ridiculous.
The illegal chop-chop trade is now at 30%.
This time 12 years ago it was at 2%.
>Australians are now buying illegal dangerous black market tobacco because the government is trying to fuck us over.
Chop chop is home grown tobacco, not weed by the way.
Price Rundown AS OF 11/06/2016.
20 Smokes = $20.
25 Smokes = $24
30 Smokes of lesser quality = $25
40 Smokes of lesser quality = $33
50 Smokes of lesser quality = $40.
What the fuck?
>>76828723
Think of it as a degeneracy tax.
>>76828723
>Australians are the highest taxed in the world when it comes to purchasing cigarettes.
Might be the world's highest taxed commodity, period.
>How the fuck can this shit be stopped?
Stop smoking. Shit Australia, I thought you guys were supposed to be smart.
>>76828723
40 cigs here are 8 Euro and 8 Cents. You triggered?
>not taxing that shit hard
Why not? There is literally no reason not to.
Product of "free' health care
They figure you'll be far more likely to use it more
>>76828723
You have nationalized health insurance. Smokers have to pay for their increased average lifetime medical costs somehow.
>>76828723
just build a good rep with your local tobacconist, prove you're serious and you can get black market (original packaging+no tax) and ecig juice with nicotine (illegal) from them
tax the fuck out of something and black markets will open
That sucks aussies.
Can't even have a smoke without all the pussies crying about it and raising taxes.
>>76828723
>falling for the nicotine jew.
>taxing something that's not necessary, and bad for your health so it ranks up public healthcare bills
I see nothing wrong with this, you filthy degenerate smoker.
>>76828987
yet fatties don't
huh
>>76828901
$20 for a pack of cigarettes?
THE FUCK
a pack of Marlboro costs less than $4 in Hungolia
>>76828723
So.. Purchase rolling tobacco and roll your own?
>>76829015
>This
>>76828723
>People are going without food to supply their smoking habit
You actually care about abbos?
>It is my right to smoke.
>Also; You have no right to complain about me smoking as i walk past you eating on the sidewalk of a yuppie cafe whilst you suck up exhaust fumes from busses all day you hoes
Smoke in your car then. Cig smoke is more concentrated when someone smokes right by your face
>Australians are now buying illegal dangerous black market tobacco because the government is trying to fuck us over
Your fault for being a degenerate
It got really bad here, too. But not as bad as Australia.
A lot of people go to the Indian Reserves to buy them now because they are a lot cheaper.
>>76829058
>no food, you die
>no cigarettes, you get helthier
yeah, why are we not taxing the shit out of food?
inb4
>hurr durr tax only fatty foods because everyone who eats chips is invariably fat
>>76829065
>Rolling tobacco 50 gram costs $56.
>Standard cigarettes x 50 (48 grams or so) costs $40.
They got smart.
>>76829032
>stop enjoying things
>>76828901
>raising tax on products to control who can consume it
Very progressive. Just remember that when they use it to effectively ban something you like.
>>76828723
Live next door to biggest tobacco farm in the south. Praise NC
>>76829093
>>76828723
I wish they were cheaper so that scum like you can die off quicker
>>76828723
I work in the Tobacco industry. The government really doesn't care about the people. It's something like 83% tax now. Next price rise is in September.
>>76829065
Yeah, I don't get how something you'd give up food for somehow isn't worth learning a skill for.
>>76829127
I'd say just cutting HFCS and sugar subsidies would help.
Not to mention it'd allow tax cuts.
>>76829058
I know there's an ongoing debate in Australia on taxing sugary drinks, which would slippery slope into other unhealthy food if passed. I expect you to have several such taxes within the next decade.
>>76828901
since when is government allowed to dictate people's lives, if he wants to smoke he should smoke
what happens when the government says that 4chan is dangerous for you and you have to pay 500$ a month to visit?
>>76829307
This
The tax rate already covered the cost of smoking related illness on the health system, the last few years they are just taxing it because they need to hide holes in the budget so we can pay politicians lifetime salaries of obscene amounts.
Actually obesity has now overtaken smoking related illness in terms of medical costs but hey why worry about that.
Fuck this shitty country, keep selling it all off to China, sell everything in the ground to china so they can make all our shitty electronics and built their country up until they no longer need us. Oh now they own all our property and they've bankrupt every aussie with huge rent costs etc
FUCK THIS SHITTY COUNTRY
FUCK I HATE IT HERE
JUST KEEP DRINKING THOSE BEERS YOU DUMB FUCKING LIBERAL CUNTS
my old boss used to illegally get cartons and cartons from china and sell them/give them out
>>76829216
>>76829248
>HFCS
Isn't this shit illegal in the EU?
>sugar subsidies
if this exists it's obviously retarded, no argument there
>tax cuts
on healthy food? Dunno about austria, here we have a super-reduced VAT of 4% on most basic foods.
>>76828997
You can import e-juice from nz with nicotine in it completely legally.
I switched from cigarettes to vaping and my costs went from 100+ a week to 3$
>>76829248
Australia doesn't subsidize sugar or corn, to my knowledge.
The US has massive tariffs on sugar and massive subsidies to corn, hence our being the only country on Earth to widely use HFCS.
>>76829345
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-15/cigarettes-could-cost-more-under-government's-budget-plans/7247528
Hate speech is also harmful and a drain on medicare.
They should tax hate speech at $1 AUD a word
>>76828723
Buying illegal tobacco imported by Asian criminals is becoming more mainstream.
>Tax people out of a main source of government revenue
>and into supporting untaxed crime
B R A V O
Smoking is degenerate
>>76829367
>>76828723
> I can have enough cigs for 2 months for just $15 USD and some rolling papers.
>>76829433
I demand years' worth of reparations for Australian shitposting.
>>76829378
>Isn't this shit illegal in the EU?
Virtually.
>on healthy food?
No, in general I mean. The money you pour into farming to wage an economic cold war as to come from somewhere after all.
>>76829406
What's the history on that anyway? Are your fields somehow incapable of sustaining sugar beets or is it an effect of pig farming?
>>76829524
Yeah well FUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOU
>>76829432
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-15/cigarettes-could-cost-more-under-government's-budget-plans/7247528
Lmao look at these cunts, they know that low income households are most likely to be smokers and they keep taxing the poor cunts to hand money to rich fucks making a mint off their 10 rental homes.
EVERYONE should be buying tobacco off bikie/asian gangs, fuck the government if they want to tax us on everything I hope their police force is upto the task.
>>76829344
>>76829307
>what happens when the government says that 4chan is dangerous for you and you have to pay 500$ a month to visit?
It's not the government that says smoking is bad for you, it's the doctors and scientists. And The government doesn't want the public hospital system full of people with conditions they woudln't have if they weren't smoking.
>>76829434
As someone that works with high net wealth indiviudals it makes me laugh when Berners and others say that the government should just tax people more to pau for things. These people have the money, the time and smarter people than the government working on ways to avoid giving the government what they want.
The same principle applies to industries that the government try to regulate or ban, like drugs or cigarettes. It's like the whack a mole game, one will go down but it is going to pop out somewhere else.
why doesn't anyone smuggle chinese cigarettes over, google says a retail pack of marlboro is under $4 AUD
>>76829242
Tobacco taxes take in far far more than the extra cost of smoking related diseases. If everyone gave up smoking right now, the health system would be severely underfunded while smoking related illnesses would continue for 50-60 years or so
>>76828723
Grow tobacco then. Nobody is forcing you to buy brand cigarettes.
>>76828723
Stop electing faggots beholden to tobacco companies.
>>76829700
you think this doesn't happen?
read the thread next time
>>76829718
Both main parties this time around have stated the $40 per 25 cigarettes thing.
>>76829718
you think tobacco companies benefit from this?
The government is sucking up all the revenue from the tax, tobacco companies make the same they always did buy less now because less people are smoking
>>76829700
Our customs is hardcore, very hard to get things into Australia.
Easier to just grow tobacco and sell it by the bag.
>>76828723
Smokers are filthy degenerates overburdening our health system, my tax dollars shouldn't have to pay for your drug habit.
Fuck off cunt, off yourself so everybody else doesn't have to pay for your slow decline.
>>76829529
It's called culture m8 you're welcome
>>76829716
It's illegal to grow tobacco you fuckwit.
>>76829524
nice, I just started rolling my own cigs too
saying that smoking is degenerate is not an argument, who are you to say what others should or should not do?
why dont you faggots stop watching anime or porn because it's degenerate and has negative impacts on your social skills, government should tax those things as well right?
no one should be telling you what to do
>>76829716
>Grow tobacco then
Confirmed for not knowing shit about Aus.
You get jail time if they catch you with tobacco plants.
You're actually in bigger problems if you grow tobacco than if you grow weed in Australia.
>>76829805
Still comes at risk
>>76829433
>Silverstein
>>76829588
KEK
>>76829604
Do the American thing, when they tried to ban booze we just started making it ourselves, fuckem get you some tobacco seeds, shits not hard to grow.
>all these buttmad cancer chasers
You're on par with bugchasing
>>76828901
>I thought you guys were supposed to be smart.
Where'd you get a retarded idea like that?
>>76829535
There are only a handful of sugar growing corporations in the US. They lobby Congress for massive sugar tariffs to protect themselves from international competition, mostly from Brazil I suspect. There are thousands of corn growers, probably even tens of thousands. They lobby Congress for subsidies in exchange for price and production controls.
The former protects a small number of jobs at the cost of sending every food manufacture reliant on sugar, such as confectioners and chocolatiers who can't use HFCS in place of sugar, overseas to acquire cheaper sugar before importing their goods. A 350% tariff on sugar is why Hershey's left the country, for example.
The latter stabilizes profit margins for farmers at the cost of making HFCS the go-to sweetener for every company which can use it in place of sugar. Our government literally pays farmers to burn excess corn production as a means of controlling the supply and prices.
It's all very stupid and I wish they would just stop, but nearly all elected Democrats and most elected Republicans support this garbage.
>>76829708
Smokers also usually die before they start really taxing the healthcare system.
Who wants to live long enough to regularly shit their depends anyways?
Yea alright but why don't you quit
>>76829643
why don't they tax fat people more so they dont have the money to consume so much?
>>76829806
>my tax dollars
Dude pays like 3 cents per year towards medical bills of other persons in his country.
>Doesn't realize the other 99.999899% of his tax dollars goes on road fees and government salaries instead.
>>76828723
Reminder to check out some of the cheap brands. All Australia cigarettes have gone to shit. $2 packs of cigarettes I get in on trips to Lebanon are made in France and are full-bodied, smooth and flavoursome. $26 pack of b&h here are utter shite and have degraded terribly over the last few years.
Just find a tobacconist that sells under the counter tobacco. If you are serious about smoking, you are stupid not to do this. $10-15 a pack, often superior quality to Australian packs.
And reminder choice signature 20s sells at Woolworths for $15 and they aren't too bad. Brand came out last week.
>>76829810
>violently colonize this board
>expose the peaceful, enlightened /pol/acks to your """culture"""
>everything crumbles
GIB REPARATIONS
>>76829973
because most politicians are fat fucks
>>76829928
Short lifespan = less pension payments yea.
>>76829973
Eeehh, sexist and racist much?
Have nicotine liquid vaporizers caught on in Australia as an alternative? They're a boom business in America at the moment
>>76828723
Fuck man, i would prefer to stick my mouth to a car exhaust for 2 minutes a day than pay 30 Euroshekels for a pack.
I'm glad this country is sold to the companies and mafia, so we can have that kind of shit alway easy to get
>waaahhh why is everything so expensive
tired of your bitching, straya. nobody gives a fuck.
>>76829842
>saying that smoking is degenerate is not an argument, who are you to say what others should or should not do?
Autistic argument, by that logic people should be able to murder other people without repercussions. Fuck your anarchist bullshit, every functioning society has rules and not smoking is a pretty reasonable one.
>>76829708
I'm hoping after the next price rise there are riots. It's primarily the people who can't afford to smoke who actually smoke. I've dealt with loads of people who scrounge together all the cash they can just for their fix. Loaf of bread and some food for family or 20 pack of ciggies? Ciggies win out every time.
The plain packaging was just a pure joke. They claim it has worked yet the data doesn't support it. It's just price driven. No brand loyalty anymore which is why you'll see a new brand come to the market every 4-5 months being the new cheap thing.
>>76828723
How much is weed there?
>>76828723
>2010+6
>STILL smoking the cancer jew stick
>>76829524
>smoking pipe tobacco
Lol that shit is fucking gross man. Too bad obama hit rolling tobacco with a 2,000% tax increase.
>>76830044
It's illegal to sell nicotine juice.
lmao I mean what isnt illegal here
>>76829708
Okay, listen to me you son of a bitch. You fucking worthless piece of shit. I am a smoker and I contribute a net increase to government revenue in taxes and that is taking into account all of the primary and secondary healthcare costs. We're paying your fucking bills, you fucking cunt. This is economic fact.
>>76829806
Are you clinically retarded? Cigarette taxes are literally subsidizing your insulin and mobility scooter brush replacement you fat faggot.
>>76829832
haaaaaaaaah
>>76829832
>You can't grow your own tobacco for personal use in Australia
I'm sorry
I absolutely love my $4.50/pack camel wides, they taste like freedom.
>>76829979
>Dude pays like 3 cents per year towards medical bills of other persons in his country.
That's 3 cents more than I'd like, keep being a cuck to quite possibly the lamest drug in existence if you like though.
>>76830123
Whats up with importing smokes? I believe usa you can import 2 cartons.
Start slanging them shits desu senpai.
>>76830085
Look at this strawman "argument".
>allowing smoking is like allowing murder.
>>76830218
You can apply for a license.
Not like you'll get one.
>>76830009
Bond St 40's were super cheap the past 2 weeks at Tobacconists, 25 bucks a pop. Though the under counter stuff will always be cheaper. rip legitimate business practice.
>>76830266
>poorfag crys about 3 cents
Lmao fuck off cuck, go be a poorfag somewhere else you prob cant even afford to smoke
>>76830193
>Cigarette taxes are literally subsidizing your insulin and mobility scooter brush replacement you fat faggot.
Shit I guess we should tax cigarettes at a thousand percent then, that'll fix our budget deficit right? Fuck off mate your argument is shittier than your brown tar-stained teeth.
>>76830275
If caught you get taxed at a HUGE fucking rate, like it's insane. Only worth it if you can afford to lose packages.
Damn. In New York, it's areoun the 10 dollar mark for a pack.
We have socialised healthcare.
>>76828723
>$34 US dollars for a pack
It costs less than $2 for a pack of Marlboro here.
>>76830335
>im the cuck for not wanting to pay for other peoples shit
It's like you're not even trying.
>>76828768
excise tax is the fancy word for it
just the nanny state doing its thing
>>76828723
Would you be able to order tobacco online? You could order some really high quality roll your own tobacco for way cheaper.
>>76830357
Thats actually what they're planning to do fuckwit, to fund holes in the next budget.
Fuck those degenerate smokers paying for your socialist lifestyle though right?
Tax them out of existence desu
>>76830044
I switched because i bought a house and 100+ a week could be better spent. Its a pain in the ass to make sure you have batteries charged and that you have enough liquid (usually takes about a week to get here) but it's well worth it.
>>76830085
no, because by murdering people you are causing them harm, as funny as it may sound
if you smoke you should be able to do so because you are only damaging yourself
>inb4 second hand smoking
if you are not a retard you would smoke alone
Alcohol is already taxed to the shithouse but there is a lot of room to move there. So expect a similar tax increase on alcohol in the next decade
I consider these moral taxes. If you argue against them you are seen as immoral because smoking and drinking have some negative side effects, this makes it so easy to tax and of course all teetotallers love it because it doesn't affect them
>>76828723
>>76828723
>/pol/
>Drugs are degenerate
>Alcohol is degenerate
>Premarital sex is degenerate
>Tax hike on cigarettes
>MUH FREEDOMS
>CAN'T TAX MY RIGHTS!!!!!
>TOBACCOS THE ONLY NON JEWISH INDUSTRY
>>76830288
I just took your opinion and applied it to other situations, how are they any different by your shitty argument? You only consider them different for an arbitrary reason, get your head out of your ass.
>>76830451
Smokers keep your current tax rate down and fund things not related to tobacco in the budget. They are more beneficial than your entire life
>>76828723
I guess that's what you get for being a drug addict.
>>76830085
Is committing suicide illegal here? Is it taxed? Fined?
>>76829535
>>76829378
HFCS with its 55% fructose is just a meme, it's no more addicting and liver damaging than regular saccharose with 50% fructose in it.
Combustion is yesterday.
Vaping is the future.
Why live in the past? Embrace the clouds.
What's it like to be told you have "free healthcare" but in reality you have to pay for it; you don't have a choice?
What's it like to be told by your government that you can't have a gun and that self defense is illegal?
What's it like to have a government that taxes you 95% on a pack of cigarettes?
And then you see Americunts running around able to choose whether or not they want healthcare, pay much lower taxes, carry shooty bang bangs in their pantaloons, not give a fuck, and smoke cheap cigarettes? Is that why Australia is upset?
>>76830101
All those new brands are made by the same companies, they're just circumnavigating the tax increase by undercutting themselves.
Taxation on socially undesirable and self-harming behaviour is about the smartest taxation there is.
Any buck not taken it blike this needs to be taken with some much less beneficial revenue.
>>76830636
>Yes smoking is akin to murder.
k
>arbitrary reason
Putting paper filled with burning tobacco is not the same as murder.
There's nothing arbitrary about that.
>>76828723
they are regularly raising the excise on tobacco in my country too, my workaround is to source my tobacco from people traveling back-and-forth to Serbia, this way I am able to save a considerable sum and it is completely legal
>>76830770
It's shit obviously. I love the states, been there twice already and it absolutely shits on this chinese infested fuckhole.
>>76830114
Better than smoking the somali stick,
Sven Goren Miwifesson.
>>76830528
So let me get this straight, your argument is that we should encourage smoking just so we can tax those buying it? That's just poor thinking, if you stop smokers and tax the dirty kikes directly you're cutting out the middle man and saving on healthcare costs.
>>76830570
Bullshit, cigarette smokers cost the state more than a non-smoker, that hurts everyone. Not to mention that loads of smokers are so fucking KEKED by their addiction that they'll buy packs before feeding their kids. Fuck that, smokers are weak cunts with no impulse control.
Oy vey australia now im understand why you shitpost cause boringness
>>76830811
Because you are all little children and need mommy government to spank you if you behave like a degenerate.
>>76830627
it's just that pol is full of children of broken families which whine all day because they have the need to be told what to do, what is right and what is wrong, what is repilled and what is degenerate, just look at all they "is X degenerate?" and "does pol approve" threads
but when people are getting screwed it's to be expected that thay will complain
you are just mixing the two groups
grow your own will actually be cleaner than industry cigs.
if u dont have time hire some abbos to tend your greenhouse.
pay them with part of the harvest.
pretty simple deal.
>>76830182
That's exactly what i said. Are you sure you're not smoking pcp?
>>76829058
The problem is that you can theoretically become just as fat eating healthy food as unhealthy food, you just have to eat more of it. You can't single out specific products and say that they and they alone are the cause of fatties and therefore they can be subjected to sin taxes like cigarettes because it just isn't true. Also if someone leads an extremely active lifestyle they can get away with eating all sorts of crap without worrying about obesity, why should they be punished?
>>76830998
>growing your own
>Australia
haha
It's illegal
>>76830803
I know, it's great. The best company is British American Tobacco Australia. Those cunts are so dumb it hurts. They shot themselves in the foot with re-branding Rothmans to a cheaper smoke and killed off their Holiday line here. Soon Holidays will be leaving Australia for good, you'll only see really old packets. They are also cunts cause they refuse to take stock back.
>>76831025
>following the law in Australia
>2016
>>76830899
No it should have been taxed to cover the cost of smoking related illness and then left alone.
Currently fat cunts cost us more than smokers do, so why should smokers and non smokers pay for the health costs of some fat cunt who cant put down beer and burgers?
Otherwise just make it illegal to smoke and stop taxing low income households who make up the largest percent of smokers.
>>76830639
Yeah, sure, those smokers are single handedly bringing in enough revenue to justify keeping the income tax steady. Do you really believe this shit? Besides, if I had it my way I'd be cutting spending, not trying to make le socialist paradise.
I'm proud to say I've never collected guv bux in my life, unlike most of you parasites im sure.
>>76830357
If you could follow the thread commie you would know i gave up smoking. So no, my cigarettes taxes wont be paying for fat fucks amputations.
>>76828997
>Ecig juice with nicotine (illegal)
WTF? Vaping is illegal in straya? That's fucked.
>>76831022
so if your weight/height ratio is too high you get taxed to hell so you dont have the money to eat so much
if you are a bodybuilder then you are exemp
>>76831136
We all know you're a degenerate NEET.
If it were upto me we would have an American style health system. The health system is one of the worst things about Australia.
>>76831193
>If you could follow the thread commie
>I'm a commie for NOT wanting to pay for peoples shit
Jesus I've said this before, why don't you fuckers understand?
>you would know i gave up smoking
Giving up doesn't magically make your teeth white again.
>>76831364
No we can vape all those flavoured juices which contain [CITATION NEEDED]
Once the gov figures a way to tax it they will allow us to vape nicotine juice.
>>76831395
>If it were upto me we would have an American style health system.
there aren't enough sides in the world. Enjoy going bankrupt over an apendicitis.
>>76830899
Wrong faggot.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/an-australian-senator-has-just-thanked-smokers-for-their-8-billion-staggering-generosity-to-the-economy-2014-10
There you go.
Smoking costs the government about 500mil a year. Brings in 8bil in taxes.
>>76831025
you need a license?
get one or start your own cig factory that is chem free would make shitloads of $ by undercutting cost of other brands
at same time can claim to gov there are less detrimental effects
>>76828723
>be big cigarette industry
>enjoy any pack for less than 5$
Bus ticket prices can go up 60% just fine, but our cigarettes are sacred yo.
>>76831395
Did you even read my post?
Your first line directly contradicts what I said, and your second and third are exactly what I've been saying this whole time, but you fucks are all
>without muh free healthcare who will pay for my cancer treatment :'(((
>don't you see guiz smoking iz still cool i swear!!
>>76831520
You're a fucking idiot.
I already PAY FOR PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE. Why should I care about cunts who can't afford private health insurance? The medicare system in australia is a bloated piece of shit that needs some serious deflating.
>>76831590
You need a license in Aus yes.
Or else you will get 2 years of prison even with 1 or a few plants.
>get one or start your own cig factory
As if it's that easy
If this happens here I'm growing my own tobacco.
>>76831547
What am I wrong about? What does it matter if smokers bring in more than they cost, refer yourself to the first part of the post you replied to you autist.
>>76831450
You're a commie for wanting to tax cigarettes at ovet 17 times the cost to the government.
>>76828723
just vape
>>76831659
>he doesn't know that no ER can reject any patients and you end up paying for those anyway
>people without health insurance get much sicker and end up clogging up ERs, costing the taxpayer even more than public health insurance
>being this retarded
>>76831748
>>76831725
>You're a commie for wanting to tax cigarettes at ovet 17 times the cost to the government.
When did I ever say this? I want the them banned, smokers fined and prosecuted and distributors sent to prison. We do that shit for weed and smoking is objectively worse in every way.
Maybe that makes me some sort of authoritarian statist but not a dirty fucking commie.
>>76831748
You can't get e-liquids with nicotine in Aussie iirc.
>>76831835
Seems to work in America.
>>76831666
its what collective outrage creates.creative ideas to get around the bullshit.here its in the form of gofundme.takes time but yeah anything is possible.american spirit did it here in the us.
>>76828723
>le weeders having to pay exuberant amounts of money to slowly kill themselves
Who cares?
>>76831952
But you can import*
>>76828723
get some rolling tobacco you fucking fag
>>76831723
>What am I wrong about?
>Bullshit, cigarette smokers cost the state more than a non-smoker,
This is what you were wrong about you stupid fucking retard, you've been repeating this myth the whole thread and when people point out to you that it is just that, a myth, you start rambling about how they're promoting smoking because ti can help fund the government when it obviously wasn't they might. Jesus christ you're fucking stupid, just so, so fucking dumb. Dumber then a smoker even.
>>76831935
You never once in this thread said you wanted them banned.
Maybe you should state your stance before going on for 20 replies of autistic shitposting.
I agree that they should be banned, not keep taxing it over and over and over.
>>76831954
America's health system is much more expensive per citizen than many public healthcare systems with universal health insurance, you aussie fucktard.
>>76831723
You directly said smokers cost the government more than non smokers, which is blatantly untrue. If anything smokers pay a larger portion of their income in taxes than non smokers. (I can't think of anything else with an 83% excise. )
>>76832073
Holy shit you're so fucking mad and still wrong!
>cigarette smokers cost the state more than a non-smoker
This is an objectively true statement, revenue is a separate equation to cost.
Dam that fucking sucks, here if you buy cigs in a store they are expensive as fuck but if you buy them on a reserve they are still cheap. A carton of putters sets me back $40 cdn
>mfw working with people who smoke a pack a day and whinge about having no money
>Point out to them that they spend nearly a quarter of what they earn in any given year just on cigarettes
>Blank stares all round
>>76832122
And when they tried universal health care in Vermont it was even more expensive.
>>76832075
>You never once in this thread said you wanted them banned.
No-one fucking asked, I was just responding to comments as I went.
okay to recap, cigarettes get super expensive, can't get e-liquids, growing your own is inasanely super illegal for some fucktarded reason. What are your laws on Pituri? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituri It's a plant native to Australia containing nicotine. This might be your solution guys.
>>76832289
Hate the players, not the game. The point is that universal healthcare if done right is even cheaper than america's bullshit system.
>>76832071
Its just as expensive, if not more you fucking fag.
>>76828723(OP)
Maybe it's time for you guys to have a revolution, too?
>>76832122
Hmm and it seems to be working, really makes ya think!
>>76832217
Also, I'm not convinced that they DO bring in enough revenue to outweigh the costs.
Some random fag said they bring in 8 bil right?
>Of the total estimated social cost of tobacco abuse in 2004–05, $12 billion (38%) were tangible costs and about $19.5 billion (62%) were intangible (Table 17.2.1). Collins and Lapsley include the following resources in their estimates of tangible costs: lost productive capacity due to premature death or smoking-associated illness (labour costs), health care for smoking-associated illness, fires attributable to smoking, and abusive consumption
>http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-17-economics/17-2-the-costs-of-smoking
And this was in 2004! things will have only gotten worse.
>>76832217
Not when the justification for ever increasing taxes is the cost to the healthcare system
>>76832240
A carton of putters are $40 on res? Which province are you in?
>>76832122
Its almost like if you want a quality product you have to pay more money for it instead of buying the cheapest form. Theres a reason why people who can afford it travel from Canada -> USA for healthcare.
>>76828723
wow that sucks, you should move to the US South. you could get a carton for what a pack costs you down under.
I heard that you can't get Marlboros or Camels in straya.
No Marlboros and no pump action shotguns makes me sad.
>>76832501
>implying a pack of cigarettes hasn't more than doubled in price since 2004
wew
>>76832501
well take abbos out of that tally and it probably drops 5 billion.
>>76832389
>The point is that universal healthcare if done right is even cheaper than america's bullshit system.
Who says it wasn't done right in Vermont?
The real issue is the amount of obese people the US has.
Fatter pop will always mean higher medical costs.
>>76832655
Doesn't matter m8, his 8 billion estimate was current, this 12 billion cost was from 2004, it's going to be higher now so it's still a net negative from smokers.
>It is my right to smoke.
I strongly agree with this, but I also believe that smokers should be barred from receiving any kind of taxpayer-funded healthcare so as not to have their right burden others.
>>76832465
You dense fucker, I've just said that it costs the taxpayer MORE than a stanard public healthcare system with universal coverage.
also
>american healthcare
>working
>most overmedicated society in the world because doctors working for private insurance pump you up with pills to get a couple of extra bucks
>people without health insurance still get free treatment at ERs, where they will go when they're really sick, so it's even more expensive than just getting them treatment in the first place
>>76828723
When I was smoking ciggys cost $6 for 25 how much are they now?
>>76828723
>>It is estimated that 25 cigarettes will cost roughly $40 (or more) by 2018.
There is no way that is real, and I don't care enough to look it up.
I was pissed as hell when my local smokes went up to like 8.50$ just to pay for a fucking sports stadium.
there is no way you are or will be soon paying that much for cigs
>>76832721
The population of smokers has dropped massively since 2004 and the price has more than doubled per pack. What will be higher?
>>76832564
Ontario. Theyre $35, friend from work picks them up for me so I toss him some money for gas which works out to about $40/carton for me
>muh cigs cucks
No one gives a fuck smoking is disgusting and killing you, if you keep buying them all you're doing is showing you're a weak willed degenerate
>>76832732
>people without health insurance still get free treatment at ERs, where they will go when they're really sick, so it's even more expensive than just getting them treatment in the first place
not necessarily true er's turn niggers away all the time,spicks too thats why community clinics opened that,you guessed it,are paid partially by govt grants.
>>76832866
Everyone I know just goes to the res now to buy ciggys
>>76828768
Fpbp nothing more fucking annoying that faggot cigarette smokers
>>76832732
Wow!! So those americans must be paying alot more tax than me right?? I mean wow really makes ya thinnk!!
>protip: they're not
>>76832933
Why don't we raise the taxes on junk food since that will kill you and cost the tax payers money when you become a fat ass?
Why not tax energy drinks? Why not tax coffee?
>>76833031
If you smoke regularly its stupid not to buy natives. Christ 25 Next KS use to cost $6 now they cost $10.50. Three packs or a carton, trough choice.
I like these retards getting mad because "smoking is muh right". Nobody is stopping you from smoking. Cigarettes are still perfectly legal and you can buy them legally from a store. It's nobody's problem but your own if you can't afford them. If you can't deal with that, stop smoking. It's universally acknowledged that smoking is completely bad for you and there are no upsides to it. If you're really going to get mad about the government culling a habit that has no benefits to anyone, then I don't know what to tell you.
>>76833121
We're doing literally all of that except taxing coffee.
>>76833071
>protip: what they don't pay in taxes they pay for private services
>private healthcare, private school, private everything
>average american pays way more to get the same basic services as your average europoor
delusional aussies, everyone.
>>76832501
Yeah, sure, David Lionhelm is some random fag. The study you quoted is full of assumptions on costs of lost productivity and domestic chores. The only solid, legitimate figure is the cost to the healthcare system, and it's the same 350mil i quoted earlier.
>>76833121
Junk food and soda doesn't automatically make you fat or ruin your health. Cigarettes do.
>>76833034
You say FPBP, but it's been an hour and 200 replies and you're the first to say it.
Clearly no-one else agrees, now stop trying to remove personal freedom and stop trying to undermine business.
t. socialist shill
>>76832756
About 30 a pack. Depending on the brand.
>>76828723
well you either die from starving or cancer, choose wisely
>>76833121
because its proven cigs will kill you outright.
>>76833149
HWAT?! I use to get next they raised it that much? Glad I quit it's stupidly expensive.
>>76833183
Why do you guys have so many taxes?
>>76833246
>soda
It's pop!
>>76833071
>I want to pay fewer taxes so I can spend all my money in getting those services I used to pay for with my taxes
>sucking murrica's dick this hard
>>76833121
Coffee is good for you faggot.
>>76833121
coffee is bad?
>>76833402
>take one drag
>die
Yeah okay bud, cigarettes would be better if they weren't so full of chemicals and shit. Not healthy b better
Not a shill but vote LDP in the senate only party to stand up for smokers rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8b7plPLY6A
>>76828723
>It is my right to smoke.
so it was you cunts who gave our govt the same idea
>smokefree NZ by 2020 guys
>>76833482
>>76833489
Coffee culture came from France so coffee should be taxed $1,000,000 an ounce but seriously too much caffeine isn't good for you
>>76833495
Stop living in the 40's. You know as well as anyone else that cigarettes are bad for you and there are no benefits.
>>76833221
>>76833449
I pay for private healthcare and I went to a private school because they offer better services than socialised shit that I shouldn't have to pay for.
Typical shitskin wanting gibsmedat hey spain?
>>76829273
Also, lots of "healthy" drinks have high sugar too.
>>76829142
Could you accept a gift of cigarettes from the US? Marlboro reds are like 55 dollars for a carton of 10 packs here.
>>76833482
"Straight edge" coffee drinkers are the biggest hypocrites.
>>76833331
Whatever faggot stay poor and in shit health for your degenerate vice
>>76828723
Stop killing yourself and fight for your right to vape. Cigs are horrible, vape, don't be retarded.
>>76833495
>cigarettes would be better if they weren't so full of chemicals
they dont throw that shit in there just for the fun of it
its to preserve & maintain the nicotine content
no chemicals means it turns to shit in like 1 year & cannot be sold
>>76833522
>lives on a prison island
>wardens allow no guns
>smokes are a highly valuable trade item
>desert and ferocious animals outside of the colony so you can't flee
>only outlet is getting drunk and shitpost on 4chan
Feels bad, man.
>>76833221
Actually, no. Some cases do, but it is rare, the majority of us have insurance.
For example, I am fully covered, haven't been to a doctor in years though. My checkups are free. I did recently get an eye exam, didn't cost a thing. As for taxes, my state has no state income tax, or sales tax, I pay an occasional food tax, though the federal government does get me
>>76833592
When did I ever say they aren't bad for you? I quit smoking because I decided it would be better in the long run for my health, also if you learnt how to read you'd have saw that I said removing chemicals would make them better not healthy just better
>>76833495
What the fuck are you even talking about you stupid cunt, you smoke them and they slowly kill you, are you arguing with this?
Off topic, but even the pollies are shitposting now.
>http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/11/election-2016-liberal-party-candidate-resigns-brothel-melbourne
>>76833431
>Why do you guys have so many taxes?
Because socialism. And it's garbage, most Australians have private health insurance anyway because our public health system is completely fucking terrible.
>>76833704
Because the Yankee Doodle said they'll kill you outright, no they won't.
>>76833730
It seems worse there than here with the taxes. I just found out recently most European countries have a sales tax of like 25% that's ridiculous how do people live with that crap?
>>76833846
>how do people live with that crap?
Paycheck to paycheck mostly. Our GST is only 10% thankfully, though the kikes want to put it up to 15%.
>>76833672
>be Austrian
>...?
oh wait no one knows cause no one gives a shit
>>76833628
I wouldn't calm myself straight edge, though coincidentally i dont smoke or drink.
But there is nothing wrong with coffee.
Cigs are roughly 3€ per 20 here, mad yet?
>>76829032
>public healthcare
Found the problems.
>>76828723
Good, in countries with public healthcare smokers should be refused service in public hospitals, my tax money shouldn't be used to pay for your stupidity and weakness
>>76833912
It's better than in my province it's 13% here
>>76833672
move to Justizzentrum Leoben?
>>76834028
it doesn't, smokers pay for your healthcare.
>>76834028
There shouldn't even be public hospitals to begin with
>>76833925
>be Austrian
>vote for literal Hitler
>have guns
>have fast and cheap mobile internet (almost 100% LTE coverage with more than 100 Mbit/s)
>no deadly animals except for the occasional nignog, and that's Vienna only
>smokes are reasonably cheap
>...
>>76834028
Just out of curiosity, where does that logic end? Can the state ban anything that raises your health risk? Ban certain foods, ban motorcycles?
>>76834184
>Vote for Greens
>>76834118
This is exactly why they don't make it illegal if it's so bad for you, so the cunts in the government can line their pockets with some extra cash
>>76834202
The state shouldn't ban anything, you should be responsible for your actions
>>76834215
Still a better country than this shit hole
>>76834281
I heard you guys still have dial up or something
>>76828723
Grow your own tobacco and roll your own cigarettes. These won't fucking kill you at age 45 either.
>>76834184
Yes but you have to live in Austria, pay the ridiculous smug euro tax to make yourself feel better than Yankees, and have your thoughts censored because "AMERICANS ARE SO RACIST WE ARENT! :D"
>>76833948
Fucking caffeine junkies thinking their drug is okay 800 DRINK IT YOLO drink coffee everyday, with their suits and ties asking everybody if they need a cup, just as obnoxious as potheads man.
>>76834281
Maybe if you're a vegan hippy melbournite faggot.
>>76834256
>you should be responsible for your actions
>have public healthcare
Who gives a fuck, everyone is picking up the tab
>>76834374
Growing Tobacco is banned under the same provision as growing Cannabis.
>>76834432
Then just man up and grow it anyways if you really want those cheap smokes
>>76834403
I live in QLD.
The whole country is shit you stupid faggot. Might be alright for cucks like you who need the government to wipe their ass and get charged for it
>>76834118
If you pay 30$ for a packet it probably makes sense mathematically but you're an exception, in the rest of the world the taxes on a packed of cigarettes are like 2 bucks, even for a lifetime i doubt it's enough to cover the cost of a lung cancer treatment
>>76834432
just grow 1 tiny tobacco stalk inside your house in your closet in a pot
no one will know
>>76834256
But the state can decide who gets to enjoy the service, right?
