Guys.. I'm scared. There's no way Trump can beat Hillary in November.
Believe me, I'm all for him. I want to be there first-hand to experience all of the butthurt when he's elected, both online AND offline. Even then.. there's just no way I can see him winning. I cannot realistically visualize the poll results with Trump coming out on top.
Can you guys convince me otherwise? Because she seems unbeatable at this point, especially with the whole "first female president" ideal going for her. I just can't see how Trump can win.
>>76687345
I can't wait until Hillary is president. It will be a great day for America.
>>76687510
South America
Trump is not going to win.
>>76687345
Take courage. Trump has almost no chance of winning for himself but he has changed the game forever for all of us.
>>76687567
top kek
Defeatist faggots and degeneracy like this is unacceptable. You are a weak minded cuck, that's why you have no loyalty and no faith.
Sage.
>>76687510
>>76687680
FUCK OFF!!
>>76687757
How do I convince myself that he will win, anon?
>>76687345
There is a way. We must consolidate the support of the groups that like him (Jews, Christians, white working class males, a minority of blacks and legal Mexicans). We must split the leftist vote.
Also, alot of Bernfags will support Jill instead of $hill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwOIY3p30-c
>>76687345
Trump will tweet this zinger any day now and it'll all be over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uXJ1mgkyF0
>>76687345
obvious concern shill, please gtfo
SAGED
dead people vote dem
clueless people vote dem
smart people vote dem
but none of this matters since computers will be voting dem
>>76687345
>Haven't had one debate yet
>>76688707
>implying debates matter when the press utterly controls them
>ask bleeding-heart liberal mother (white, never finished high school) what she thinks of this election
>"trump's only supporters are uneducated whites, religious whites and white supremacists"
i don't even have a preference of who wins, but this 'uneducated' meme really bothers me, why do libs think they're so enlightened?
>>76687345
Hillary/Trump would be fucking amazing. An actual leader and a meme VP and potential president if Hillary dies. Is this dream but a meme?
Of course he won't win. But Hillary will have the lowest approval rating of any new President ever and it will only go downhill from there. I'm predicting she gets censured and then there are movements in Congress toward impeachment by her third year.
>>76688774
Did the (((press))) have any control when Trump starting raging at Jeb and the audience about 9/11 and GWB being president when the WTC fell? You never know what will be said in these debates and how they will affect the election.
>>76689121
People watching debates have already made up their minds. They trot out those clueless "undecideds" to make it look otherwise, but the truth is is that most who vote do so along party lines.
>>76687345
But Trump is a media genius and is making friends everywhere. He's our hero and everybody loves him. Just look at all the love from Democrats and Republicans everywhere.
>>76689265
I could agree with the argument that at this point everyone's mind is made up since both candidates are so polarizing. But that's not entirely true. What about all the Reagan-Democrats that swung the elections in the 80s?
>>76687345
I wish I could, but I feel the same as you. Just get out and vote, and make your voices heard. You've been given the right to vote between a douche and a turd
>>76689476
I have no faith in people like them. Granted I was only a baby then so I cant say for sure, but this election has gone full retard and I'm drained mentally already. Still voting Trump, but the only thing stopping Hillary is a blood clot.
>>76687949
Don't resist anon. You know she will become president. It's time for you to support her.
>>76687738
>Trump has almost no chance of winning
Seriously, you defeatist faggots are pieces of shit. Trump is already basically tied with the Cunt and he hasn't even started destroying her, yet you're already sure he has no chance because of 3 or 4 percentage points. Unless you're 100% certain of victory you immediately lose all hopes and do nothing.
Cowardly faggots.
>>76689646
I have faith in them. They're the ones who have screwed the most in our voting progression post-Reagan, discovering that this two-party system has been farce for special interests.
>>76690330
I hope so.
You guys are fucking faggots. We did it for KEKs. Idgaf if Trump wins, hes a fucking loser
Praise KEK
>>76690808
Get out, you meme-loving fuck. The adults are talking.
>>76691005
>adult
>unironically support the guy from Trump Steaks
nigger its literally about pissing off SJW and nothing else
>>76691123
>13 million primary votes
For the sake of that that's left on this earth that's still worth a damn, just don't give up. Trump himself said "If you're a quitter, you're not gonna make it."
If Clinton does indeed win you can expect the percentage of whites to drop well below 50% quite fast. Perhaps earlier than the projected faithful date of 2042. Your children will grow up in a country that is only a mockery of what it was in 1950. Whites will be demonized. Males will be demonized. Your jobs will be shipped to third world landfills and nobody will care that you're jobless. Feminism will be more prevalent than ever since men will hardly be able to support themselves, so you can kiss the family unit goodbye. The world will sink into a dull and primitive state slowly.
That's the reality we face. And whatever it takes to overcome a few percentage points today is worth getting a beautiful tomorrow. So don't give up, anon.
>>76692297
You're right.. and we can't let that happen. Losing hope is the same as losing, period.
>>76691208
>promoting the currency of the jew
>>76691276
>.3% of the entire country
I am now a #clintoris
>>76687345
Take heart. You act as if Trump has no chance. If you only went to RealClearPolitics, you would know the truth. Look at the graph, a meager three points.
But to give my sermon, I will lift your heart. Do you not recall how many predicted Trump will not make it? How they said he could not become the candidate? How he himself said he may drop out and go third party?
Then, how he solemnly swore not to. How he decided to win. Watching as one by one, the many republican candidates fell. No one could make it. Carson? Christy? Even when Cruz and Kasich teamed up, no one could stop him.
You just have to believe. He made a promise to make America great again. He has achieved so much when everyone thought he would fail. He will achieve here again. He may not make America great, but he will do a lot better if you're there to support him.
>>76687345
3 million more Republicans voted in the primaries than Democrats. There is a lot of bad blood between Bernie supporters voting for Clinton. Trump is a genius anointed by God to stop the misery that has befallen the United States.
>>76687345
Wow really made me think
>>76692817
Literally doesnt matter
>>76687345
There hasn't even been a debate yet.
>>76687345
You will get hijacked AGAIN !! MAGA DUDE MAGA NOW !~!!! ENGAGE MAGA I REPEATE ENGAGE MAGA NOW !
>>76687345
>getting caught up in all the blatant panicked media narrative to make it look like Trump is losing/will lose/etc.
c'mon, nigger... I thought you were better than that. You should know by now how this goes. Also, Americans aren't going to elect a woman president --- that shit is laughable as fuck. She's presumptive nominee because literally anyone would have won over Boynie.
You also have to remember that there's a BIG difference between all the faggots on the internet and public media who play their loudest voice bullshit game, and the people who ACTUALLY go out and vote at the polls. People don't have a Historical Magic Negro candidate to vote for now; just some scum-ass woman. I wouldn't worry about the results.
Trump has to make it or all of you white American males are dead. The ones with German ancestry first, since Clinton assumes you are nazis and all voted Trump. However the rest of you will soon follow. If you can't show enough solidarity to elect someone who won't kill you as a group, then maybe whites weren't meant to survive in the USA.
>u.s. 70% white
>media autists thinking wetbacks can read enough to register to vote
>thinking numbskull gashes who vote because vagina will number enough to make a difference
>media has been wrong literally every single time they have said trump will fall
>inb4 "BUT MUH GENERAL ELECTION"
>running against a literal criminal facing indictment and racketeering charges
>7 years of politically correct misery leaving vast majority of white nation exhausted and irritated
>a democratic party that has abandoned blue collar voters in favor of trannies and abortion
>86% of american households own and cherish a gun, dems nominate a pro-confiscation candidate
>husband a probable pedophile rapist, nominee helped get a child rapist get out of jail in a year
>nominee that highly likely has some form of brain damage or mental retardation, own aides complain of her being "confused"
You seriously could not pick a more terrible candidate than this bitch. And the only reason you think she isn't terrible is because the Jew owned media swallows her 7 inch dick clit.
>>76689065
Nonsense. Congress will be happier than pigs in shit with Shillary.
>>76690219
I think it will be close, but he will have a good chance of winning. Especially if she gets indicted, obviously, or:
1. another terrorist attack. more than one, especially one here, even more.
2. hard evidence comes out and is actually disseminated by the press involving Bill's shenanigans--more women coming out of the woodwork, especially famous ones like ones he worked with in government....who knows.
3. Trump steps up his game and smoothes his rough edges. We will still like him; we will know it's calculated. But the normies who feared him before will begin going "oh, he's not so bad. You know that Hillary is really shady..."
etc. In a lot of ways, I believe it is up to Trump. He needs to unbend a little. Turn on the charm. Act, don't react. Now is the time to do that boring shit, because it will work.
http://www.lifedaily.com/19-very-interesting-facts-about-bill-clinton/12/
http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/clintbodycnt.html
Bill Clinton has ties to a human sex trafficker, is a serial adulterer, and a saxophonist.
Hillary Clinton takes oodles of money from Big Pharm companies, is in the pocket of Wall Street Execs, and appears to be running to redeem her image from abused wife to feminist icon, a ploy of liberalism that disguises any of her nietzchean will to power as a modern female virtue.
There are plenty of allegations of corruption, censorship, and fascist abuses of government resources on this dynamic duo.
/pol/ help bring this to light, and PLEASE help me figure which of these claims are not just nutjob conspiracy theories but evidenced claims.
plz discuss
>plz talk about the alleged murder for hires and coverups ordered by the Clintons, im having trouble separating fact from fiction
No. You're doing exactly what they want you to do.
he deal is that in the 2012 and 2008 elections, the turnout was only 55%, with college graduates voting at about 75-80% and highschool graduates and highschool dropouts voting at much lower percents.
most current predictions and polling organisations will be looking at these previous demographics who are likely to vote and tehy will be looking at them in those propotions.
They are extrapolating the past into the future.
However when an election seems close or important people vote at higher turnouts.
Educated people, who are more anti-trump, already have high voter turnout. there is not much potential for them to gain votes more than they already have.
However IF trump can achieve enough energisation, and enough mobilisation of the less-educated voters, then he'll be able to achieve unprecedented victories.
There is some tentative evidence that he is able to do that.
The fact that republican primary voter turnouts have been something like 25% higher than former years for instance.
It's a long shot, but if Trump can keep the campaign high energy and get everyone who supports him to turn out, he could make it happen.
The key is that he needs to remain high energy.
make people inerested, excited, motivated to vote and get their country back.
people saying "it's hopeless" will hinder this. People won't vote if they think that they've already lost and their vote won't turn it around.
So you need to counter pessimistic messages.
Trump needs to continue his media domination
Trump needs the republica party to get him funds to do a strong ad campaign.
It's difficult but possible.
Hillary's main voterbase are 1) women 2) minorities 3) white cucks. Eliminate these groups and you may win.
>>76693722
You realize Hillary has more enthusiastic voters than Trump, right?
This is from the Fox News poll released today.
>>76687740
how is brazil anyway?
>>76694017
Kind of getting better, still worse than in 2014. Need to wait until 2018 to see if we are going to shit or not.
>>76693881
as usual it's white people who are the problem here
>>76687345
>Even then.. there's just no way I can see him winning. I cannot realistically visualize the poll results with Trump coming out on top.
Where the fuck is your faith?
Did any of us actually expect him to run in the first place? Or to compete seriously? Or to win? What about winning ahead of schedule?
All we have to do is believe, and to shitpost, and we're unstoppable
>>76694655
Also fucking check 'em. Don't have faith, have confidence.
>>76687345
Oh look a concern shill. Hillary's got no chance kiddo
Yeah shes like criminal and starts wars with atleast 10 countries at the same time!
Why are all you dumb niggers posting in a shill thread?
>>76694655
HAIL VICTORY
PRAISE KEK
>>76691208
Make crypto great again.
>>76687949
>How do I convince myself that he will win, anon?
He's losing by 2-3% percent, 5 months out from the election, This isn't no where near over. Especially considering Hillary's past.
They gave him 600 to 1 odds when he first announced he was running. You think he can't turn around from some polls that are within the margin of error?
>>76687345
This is the fourth time I've seen this exact same thread in one hour. Fuck off and eat a sage.
>>76687345
Go out and help divide the left vote. Make some Bernie for Stein signs and plaster them in every liberal shit-hole in your city
>>76694008
They have a funny way of showing it
>>76696638
It's only down compared to 2008, which holds the all-time record for primary turnout for any party. She still got more votes than Trump.
>>76687345
Nobody is being paid to shill for Hillary. It's a Republican funded lie aimed at smearing her campaign.
>>76694655
HAIL TO VICTORY
KEEP THE FAITH
PRAISE KEK
>>76687510
FIRST POST BEST POST
>>76696638
except those aren't new voters. the vast majority (90%+) of "new" trump primary voters voted in the past several general elections
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-polling-turnout-early-voting-data-213897
couple this with the projection that whites are projected to be 2% less of the total voting share than they were in 2012, and trump basically need 30-40 million white men to turn 18 in the next few months (all within ohio, pennsylvania, and florida) to win the election.
projections for voting share here
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-election-things-you-should-know-213875
>>76692297
Thanks. This really encouraged me. Trumps tanking in the polls makes me sad
>>76687949
Don't just convince yourself. Do what you can to make it happen. Convince others to vote for him. Campaign for him.
>>76697383
More bad news for Trump: "missing White voters" mostly live in solid Red states. There aren't that many of them in swing states:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/missing-white-voters-might-help-trump-but-less-so-where-he-needs-it/
>>76687345
Trump has already done some pretty great things for the whites. Obviously if he wins its better then if he looses, but whites have definitely become more tribal, trust in the media has fallen, and the riots at his rallies clearly show the dangers of the brown horde.
Not to mention if Hilldog wins, that means more shity trade deals, more Muslims Aloha Snackbaring, and angrier white people.
The longer Trump is in the countries eye, the better.
>>76687345
Completely false gtfo shill. Hillary's followers are very few and she pays off the media to alter the polls. Nobody really likes her, the only danger was if Sanders took a VP spot.
>>76693396
>You seriously could not pick a more terrible candidate than this bitch
and yet you did. hillary clinton is the most unpopular presidential candidate in US history - except for donald trump.
what's even funnier is this has happened before. this is exactly what happened with harry reid and sharon angle. harry reid was massively unpopular, and would have lost his 2010 re-election to any reasonable, sane republican candidate. instead the republicans nominate sharon angle - the absolute craziest, stupidest, worst candidate possible, and harry reid wins re-election.
>>76696824
>She still got more votes than Trump.
>getting more votes when you're up against 1 person than someone up against 17.
Are you retarded?
>>76698019
It was effectively a two person since March 15, when Rubio dropped out and Kasich won his only primary and faded back into irrelevance, retard. Also Trump has run unopposed for the last month, retard.
I am 90% confident that Trump will win. I'm really not that worried.
>>76698546
>It was effectively a two person since March 15, when Rubio dropped out and Kasich won his only primary and faded back into irrelevance, retard. Also Trump has run unopposed for the last month, retard.
Got it. So we'll just look past Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Ohio, Florida, Illnois, Missouri, and North Carolina.
And all the early voting in states after that.
No, you're totally right. My bad.
>>76687345
fuck off shill trump has momentum and the silent majority all you hear about on tv is the vocal minority of sjw and feminist cancer. Trump will win in a landslide even more if bernie splits the democratic primary.
The republicans honored their voters decison and went with trump. The democrats crowned shillary winner the minute she entered. One has had to fight against 17 candidates the others had a pussy not call her out on shit. Trump is going to rip that bitch a new asshole.
>>76698016
by what metric is trump unpopular?
highest primary turnout ever
>>76687345
I've been watching this race for over a year and I'm almost certain Trump is going to win
Have you seen r/sandersforpresident
You'd think they're from /pol/ as pissed off as they are about shillary rigging the elections
Sanders has something like 45% of the party that won't just "get in line"
>>76699999
KEK WILLS IT. TRUMP WILL WIN. PRAISE BE UNTO HIM, WHO IS KEK.
https://twitter.com/CASOSvote/status/741066443920285696
What do you guys think will happen when the remaining 2+ million provisional ballots are counted in California?
>>76699999
FUCKING CHECKED
The meme prophecy continues...
>>76699999
Quints, nice.
MAGA
>>76688914
They're trying to shame your mother into voting for them....They attacked her shame of not having an education and now if she supports Hillary she can remove that shame.
Do it back
>>76699414
Nebraska voted the other week, retard. It was down to five people after the third state, South Carolina, voted, and even then, Cruz and Rubio were the only two candidates who got a significant number of votes and were serious contenders. No one cared about Kasich outside of Ohio or Sleepy Ben. Big difference between that and 17.
>>76699999
>it's been decided
>>76687345
Shes about to go to fucking jail mate.
>>76691208
/biz/ go away
ethereum for life
>>76694008
Shy Tory effect.
>>76699999
KEK WILLS IT
>>76692644
Its a race to 60 million
Did I rain on your parade
T. Shills
Nice try
>>76694655
praise kek
>>76700443
>Canadian porn
>>76699999
KEK WILLS IT
>>76699999
screencapped
if trump doesn't win then Kek confirmed non existent and that we are all schizoids
>>76699999
There it is
>>76698016
basically
yeah hillary's bad, but she's not as bad as trump
>>76693112
MAGA DEEz NUTZ
>>76699997
different pollsters call this different things, but for the most part it is net favorability rating minus net unfavorability rating. wall street journal asks "do you have a positive or negative view of _____?"
http://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/16306NBCWSJMay2016Poll.pdf
hillary: -20
trump: -29
fox asks for favorable and unfavorable views of ____
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/06/09/fox-news-poll-national-releas-6-16/
hillary: -14
trump: -18
pic related shows new york times favorability. but all the pollsters show the same thing - trump is less popular than clinton, and has been the entire election.
>highest primary turnout ever
first off, i already addresses why his primary turnout probably won't affect his general election turnout here >>76697383
and secondly, hillary got more votes in the primaries than donald
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
trump: 13.3 million votes
hillary: 15.7 million votes
>>76697048
Is this real?
I thought he was a raging socialist SJW now?
>>76699999
Kek wills it. Praise him
>>76700907
forgot my NYT pic
>>76699999
>>76699999
Every time I cast doubt on meme magic, Kek just shows his divinity to me once more making me believe.
>>76701111
OH MY
>>76700907
did you post a copy of this
>>76697383
the other day? i swear i've seen the exact same post before
are you a shill?
i think i even replied about how that infographic makes no sense since it's comparing general election turnout to primary turnout
>>76690219
Also
>polls
>indicative of general election
Shiggy
>>76701111
quads confirm
>>76701175
Praise fucking Kek
>>76699999
>>76701111
Holy rigmarole!
>>76701111
>>76699999
WITNESSED
>>76687345
Okay here is what we need to do. Abolish women'should right to vote.
>>76700907
I sure as fuck don't trust any sort of polling until at the very least the heat of the season has started.
Trump is just trying to heal the party right now and gathering his army while Hillary still hasn't shooed the jew.
We finally are starting to see some heads bang but we will get our true first glimpse of the general after the democratic convention.
Case in point.
Do you remember when Jeb was the pre presumed presumptive nominee?
Now he makes guac in his basement and plays dungeons and cucks.
>>76701180
>did you post a copy of this
yes i did. it hasn't stopped being accurate or relevant in the last 24 hours..
>i think i even replied about how that infographic makes no sense since it's comparing general election turnout to primary turnout
.... then you don't understand the image, and you didn't read the article. trump supporters are the ones implying a link between primary and general election turnout ("of course he will win! he got record turnout in the primaries!") the article refutes that, showing that these aren't new voters.
>are you a shill?
no. most trump supporters on here are shills though. check the archives and the trump general.
>>76699999
Well done
Trump is likely to win unless Hillary gets put in Prison and Bernie gets her spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqlyaTumu4M
Hillary also keeps being fucking garbage and pretty much saying screw off to all Bernie supporters.
>>76699999
KEK WILLS THE TRUTH
SUCK IT LIB SHITS
The illuminati-owned candidate always wins. When they try to get clever and turn against their masters after getting elected they get murdered.
Trump never had a chance in the general. At least we had a lot of fun though.
>>76701111
We are his chosen people
>>76701813
i don't disagree that the claim that trump has brought millions of 'new' voters is dubious, if we take 'new' to mean people who didn't vote last election
but 10% of 15 million is still 1.5million, so surely the claim of 'millions' isn't far from the truth?
and why isn't a massive upswing in primary turnout not indicative of a probable upswing in general election turnout? has anyone done a regression analysis showing the correlation between primary turnout and election turn out in the same year?
>>76702515
>i don't disagree that the claim that trump has brought millions of 'new' voters is dubious, if we take 'new' to mean people who didn't vote last election
that is how most people interpret "new voters", although you could argue that adding millions of new voters to the primary process (which people generally do not care about) indicates an advantage in voter enthusiasm. and the polls support this idea as well - from that fox poll, among voters who are extremely or very interested in the election, trump leads 45-41.
>but 10% of 15 million is still 1.5million, so surely the claim of 'millions' isn't far from the truth?
depends on where they are for the most part. the image i posted shows the major swing states (that is why i use that image), and 6%-8% increased republican turnout in a swing state could be very big.
>and why isn't a massive upswing in primary turnout not indicative of a probable upswing in general election turnout?
as i mentioned, you could conclude there is an enthusiasm advantage from trump. but to say that millions of people who have not voted in at least a decade will come out to vote for the least popular candidate in US history (or second least) is not realistic. the people who vote in primaries are the ones who care about politics and like the candidates. the ones who only vote in november are the normies who only vote if they can get a few hours off of work.
> has anyone done a regression analysis showing the correlation between primary turnout and election turn out in the same year?
not that i have found, but if you find one i would like to see it.
>>76701111
repeating digits
that's a statistical anomaly
can only be explained by divine intervention
guys i have no hope for a trump presidency i am now a #HillaryMissile
>>76703356
agree with everything here
i found this
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/primary-turnout-means-nothing-for-the-general-election/
>>76699999
>>76701111
Well, look at that.
This November, you will be saying President Trump for the next eight years. We will MAGA. Shillary trolls are getting worried. Just look at the people who run her twitter.
>>76700935
He's an Alt-Righter now. It was a natural progression
why are educated people more 'anti-Trump'?
>>76687345
Eh, whoever wins will inherit an extremely likely economic crash that Obama has been making every effort to pass the buck on, so in some ways I don't mind regardless of results.
Reposted from anoter thread:
>Republican turnout is at record highs
>Trump got more votes than any other Republican nominee in history
>Democrat turnout is massively down
>independents statistically lean more toward Trump, in fact it's his strongest area
>Hillary is the second most disliked candidate in US history, making any hate toward Trump a lot less meaningful
>US parties haven't had 3 consecutive administrations for several decades
Trump is winning this. All the Republicans will fall in line behind Trump. Democrats fell in love with Sanders, they won't turn out in significant number to support the establishment status quo, a corporate puppet that is about as exciting and trustworthy as my ass.
People can keep spamming threads about how Hillary is going to win no matter what to break morale, as they have done for the entirety of the Republican primaries but it's not gonna change much.
>Trump will never run
>Trump won't win any states
>Trump is done after Iowa
>Trump will never get the majority of the delegates
>Trump will lose at a brokered convention
>Trump will never beat Clinton
etc., etc. It's been the same song and dance since the beginning, but the media narrative has been inconsequential for the entire thing.
People need to stop bumping these shill/concern trolling threads, or you will keep seeing them on the front page every day.
>>76705656
>>76705679
Praise Kek!
>>76687345
I can see a civil war and collapse either way
Trump wins- Hill supporters with the big money behind their cause rise up and secede
Hillary wins- Bernie and his fanatic supporters attempt a communist coup a la Russian October revolution. Trumpers form a sort of "freikorps" and along with the military make trump president of what's left of the US
Think of it this way. The US hasn't been this divided since the Lincoln election before the confederate uprising and we all know what happened there only this time it won't just be everyone vs a few toothless southern slaveholders it will be Half the US population vs half the US population
Don't worry about calling me a stupid leaf. Considering that were about to enter the second Great Depression here under cuckdeau I'm willing to bet we have a civil war and revolution up here too
>>76688579
>This
I have always said the system will be rigged against trump that even if trump got 90% of the vote they would find a way to keep him out. I have absolute confidence that trump would win outright in a fair election but the US like most western countries does not have fair or real elections anymore
>>76687345
>>76688914
educated =/= intelligent
Especially with the fact that most "degrees" that are given out to "educated" people are some kind of liberal arts/things like gender and cultural studies which are really more indoctrination than a real education
Ask a real educated person with a real degree who they're voting for. You'd be surprised. Why would they vote trump? Because they see first hand on campuses how stupid the liberal safe space fucks are who do not vote trump
>>76697383
>except those aren't new voters. the vast majority (90%+) of "new" trump primary voters voted in the past several general elections
Even the ones who aren't actually new voters to the General Election most likely were Democrats and Independents prior to this, which most likely steals a vote from Democrats, and adds one to the Republican nominee. Trump said from the beginning that he would get the Reagan Democrats on his side.
>couple this with the projection that whites are projected to be 2% less of the total voting share than they were in 2012
Demographics =/= voter turnout, and yes, Romney failed to appeal to whites significantly, Trump is tapping into that vote since whites are still a huge portion of the country.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2015/09/08/the-white-vote-the-rise-of-donald-trump-shows-it-may-be-returning
>"If the 'white vote' had shown up in the same percentage and voted for Romney in 2012 as it voted for McCain in 2008, Romney would have won. Obama got many fewer votes in 2012 than he got in 2008. The difference-maker was, a lot of white voters stayed home," Limbaugh said in the spring of 2013.
>Political commentators with conservative media organizations have said for two years now that between 5 million and 10 million disaffected white voters stayed home in 2012 -- and that if Romney had won 63 percent of the white vote (instead of 59 percent), all other voter demographics would not have mattered.
>"Romney was not able to connect with white voters who were so turned off by [his] campaign that they abandoned the GOP and in many cases stayed away from the polls altogether," the Washington Examiner's chief political correspondent, Byron York, wrote in 2013. "As many as 5 million white voters simply stayed home on Election Day. If they had voted at the same rate they did in 2004, even with the demographic changes since then, Romney would have won."
>>76690219
shut up mexico.
>>76689065
If Hillary wins expect economic downfall social/racial tensions and finally a soviet style collapse. I can see nothing else that can come of her policies than all the states just coming together and agreeing to dissolve the USA to get off the crazy fucking ride into depression 2.0
Trump is your last shot at making America a nation again. If the system is rigged against him or he fails make sure you go buy as much ammunition as you can as well as a spare gun. You're gonna need it
>>76687680
People will vote for Hillary because that's the "normal" thing
>>76689646
>a blood clot
Or a .50 cal round....
The only place i've seen support trump is /pol/. Mainstream plebbit is all about hillary. Mainstream wins guys. RIP america.
>>76688914
Black college student trump voter reporting in.
>>76707300
You know that's why voting is private right? Some might not say they vote for Trump, but when they're in the voting booth, it will be a different story.
>>76707513
>>76707300
Also after the 9 months of constant attacks on Trump an him still winning the nomination despite people saying he had no chance, you should know that the media and select forums' idea of "normality" is pretty irrelevant to the people at large.
>>76687345
are you just a person who masturbates to good feelings? worthless
>>76707379
>he hasn't seen /r/TheDonald
>he seriously thinks his 4chan/plebbit war is that significant, even though plebbit was 100% behind Bernie for the entire thing and he still lost
Nice rare flag though, proxy shill.
There wont be if you guys let Hillary push le history ticket now that she's won the nomination. Give it two weeks tops and everyone will come to her side.
>>76687345
Shut up and VOTE! You're a winner. Trump makes everyone win. KEEP the memes rolling soldier.
>>76688579
The Five Fs of Democratic power
Foreigners
Funds
Feminists
Faggots
Fraud
Trump decimates all of this and brings back jobs, security, freedom!
>>76701997
I think the key to this whole thing is Bernie
Consider:
>He still hasn't dropped out
>He knows he can't win
>He simply wants his supporters at the convention
>he's an old man who probably wouldn't live to see the next election i
>Bernies supporters have been shown to be the most radical and violent
You do know what he's going to do don't you? He's gonna take his supporters to the convention and have them go apeshit. I think he's planning to kill the witch and much of her core following right on live television. I can see no other political reason for him to want to go all the way to the convention
>>76707846
Forgive me, if im not that invested into american politics, itd not like i am going to vote. lol
>>76692644
Are you honestly implying that 13 million in the primaries is nothing?
Is this your first election?
>>76687345
White men have shown a total lack of planning and any real grasp of strategy for the better part of the last 80 years, and modern white men are even more lackluster than their predecessors.
So what I'm trying to say it: Trump will lose, spectacularly.
White men ALLOWED women and sub-humans to take over every single important position of power, while they went off and spent their money and time on stupid fucking hobbies, and idiotic jobs in the Trades so they could make friends with Mexicans.
Kikes, women, and minorities CONTROL:
1. Education
2. Law
3. Politics
4. Media
5. News
6. Banking
7. Finance
8. Tech Entrepreneurship
9. Social Media
White men PARTICIPATE in:
1. Trades
2. Military
Personally I cannot fucking wait for the white race to finally be put out of it's misery. It's what we deserve for being so fucking stupid for so long.
>>76708963
But Clinton got 16 million.
>>76709102
kissless virgin cuck detected
He will be president, the Simpsons is never wrong.
>>76708772
Then stop saying stupid shit if you don't know anything. Even most of the plebbit hated Hillary more than /pol/ when they were still rooting for Bernie. They just have a lot of Correct the Record shills like us.
>>76709184
Only because the vote wasn't as split up as with Republicans. Hillary was only up against Bernie for the entire thing, and since Trump won a whilte ago, most people probably didn't feel the need to go out and vote in the last few states in the Republican primaries. Their turnout is still down by a lot: >>76705656 >>76705679 >>76705699 She got even less votes than in 2008 when she didn't win.
>>76709184
Yes, you are right, she did not break any records.
>>76709358
But that isn't from 2000.
http://www.snopes.com/simpsons-trump-prediction/
>>76709539
But the people who voted for Kasich, Rubio, Jeb, Rand, etc. probably won't vote for Trump.
>>76709545
You don't think it's a problem when the GOP record is still less than a mediocre Democrat turnout?
http://primarymodel.com/
>>76709695
Pic related. They will all fall in line to stop Hillary, and a third Democratic presidency in a row. #NeverTrump is basically dead.
>>76688286
Do jews really like him?
>>76709738
>You don't think it's a problem when the GOP record is still less than a mediocre Democrat turnout?
Not in the slightest.
Historically, the GOP primary turnout has nearly always been less than the Democratic one. To boot, there has been LESS Democratic turnout and more GOP turnout this season. Also, so many new people are registering to vote just because Trump.
My mother, brother, and sister have never voted before and all had me register them so they could vote (too bad it was already after the primary for my current state of residence, Ohio).
There's a YUGE uptick for Trump, and a YUGE downward slide for $Hillary.
>>76709791
>http://primarymodel.com/
This states that early primaries are used as predictors.
Trump lost Iowa.
>>76710010
And historically, whoever is the more moderate candidate wins the general election. Trump ain't that.
>>76710067
You seem to have missed the sub-heading, and are focusing on Iowa only for... some unspecified reason.
>>76710200
>And historically, whoever is the more moderate candidate wins the general election.
I don't know where you pulled that from, but you're a fucking idiot.
>>76699999
>>76701111
this is so funny
>>76687345
>There's no way Trump can beat Hillary in November.
the man was on Television regularly for a decade, normies vote for whomever is more recognizable and or fuckable
he's got it in the bag
>>76710212
Ok, I read more about it. They're focusing only on NH and SC for some reason? But I can't find out why yet. I'm curious as to what the methodology is.
I keep seeing this site posted, but there are a lot of empty links on it, and no clear methodology posted, which makes me pretty suspicious.
>>76707300
>People will vote for Hillary because that's the "normal" thing
after they lost their job thanks to wall mart or their grandmother lost their life savings in white water?
don't fucking think so
>>76710274
It's historically true. It's called the Race to the Center and has been a predictor for success since Nixon.
>>76710454
Trump is moderate on a lot of issues, immigration aside.
>>76710599
Immigration and his positions on trade are pretty extreme. Which is pretty much all he talks about. So...?
>>76710200
attacking the bill of rights isn't what middle America calls moderate
This is such low energy coming from a Trump supporter. It's way too early to be feeling defeated. Trump has a very good chance at winning actually.
>>76710693
>Which is pretty much all he talks about. So...?
His view on immigration is pretty similar, aside from the muslims, to Al Gore, Hillary, and Bill, back in the day. His views on trade are very different from the amoral shitheads like Paul Ryan.
>>76710701
Right, which Trump has done. Notably when he's talked about the need to shut down the internet (somehow), denying CNN an FEC license (even though as a cable network they don't need one) and changing libel laws to prevent the press from saying things he doesn't like.
>>76711016
>Notably when he's talked about the need to shut down the internet (somehow),
You mean shutting it down for terrorist websites. I don't get how You People are okay with censoring "hate speech" criminals on facebook, but HEAVEN FUCKING FORBID we do the same to Achmed.
>and changing libel laws to prevent the press from saying things he doesn't like.
You mean changing libel laws to make the press liable for saying blatant, intentional falsehoods.
>>76710693
>So...?
Hello Rebbit.
The point is that he's not a Ted Cruz where he's extreme on a lot of positions, he's actually fairly moderate on plenty lot of issues, and a lot of people agree with or don't mind the positions he's not moderate on. So this idea that people will pick the boring establishment puppet just because they think she's "moderate" is idiotic. Hasn't really worked well in 2008 when Obama was portraying himself as the revolutionary with extreme positions against the "moderate" Republicans.
>>76711016
>need to shut down the internet
He never said that, he was talking about extreme terrorist groups like ISIS.
>>76710963
Well maybe so, but certainly the perception of him is one of a far right extremist, and chances are that perception will stick. So he won't be seen as a moderate by the masses, in all likelihood.
I guess it's more of a matter of whether he can change that perception or not.
Or if Americans don't really care about who is more generally appealing this cycle. Which is certainly possible. It's been an interesting election so far, so I don't think anything is impossible.
Trump cannot win because he's there to be "Guy-Who-Is-Wrong-About-Everything." His role is to be largely disliked and then to say a few true things so that they're discredited, and then to act as a threat so that Hillary can be the solution. He's there to be a cartoonish representation of what Clinton supposedly fights, and so that they can say, "Suck it up and vote for her or Trump is coming."
>>76687345
Sup Hill Shill
>>76711186
>You People
Who says I want to censor any speech? You're strawmanning, chum.
>You mean changing libel laws to make the press liable for saying blatant, intentional falsehoods.
They already do that.
>>76711195
See my response to that below.
>>76711016
>which Trump has done
No he hasn't.
>>76711016
>he's talked about the need to shut down the internet
No, he hasn't.
>>76711016
>changing libel laws to prevent the press from saying things he doesn't like
Oh, you mean holding the press accountable for telling the Truth?
Gee. That really sounds horrible, Anon, and completely against the Bill of Rights.
Or not.
Jesus Christ you are a moron.
>>76711245
>So he won't be seen as a moderate by the masses, in all likelihood.
>in all likelihood
All we have to go on, unfortunately, is that at this point he's the most popular republican primary candidate -ever-.
In addition, Hillary cannot successfully debate *anyone*, *ever*, no matter how slavishly obedient they are. If you have to play the sexism card against the most beta submissive in the history of submission, you know you're in trouble; and she's said she's looking forward to debating Trump.
>>76711370
>They already do that.
No, they do not.
He can't win because he only represents the white middle class+. Which is rapidly shrinking thanks to Obama.
Trump supporters are shit out of luck.
>>76711370
>See my response to that below.
You're just trying to push a narrative. Every one one of your posts is shilling for Hillary. Sure, some people will be upset by some of the things he said, but that hasn't stopped him from winning the primary, and it won't stop him from winning the GE. If anything his anti-establishment platform will only help him against the boring "moderate" establishment platform that is Hillary. Again, I remind you that it was one the reasons Obama won in 2008.
>>76707846
>Latvia
>rare
You don't get it right ? You still think votes are important. Trump only exists as the "bad guy" to make hillary's saviour narrative look better. People don't have any say in the matter.
>>76711449
Bill of Rights includes the right of the press. It's in the first Amendment, bud.
>>76711486
>Hillary cannot successfully debate *anyone*, *ever*
I'm not sure if you watched the Democratic debates, but I watched all of them, and she pretty much kicked Sanders ass every time. She's a skilled debater and has been doing it since a teenager. Trump on the other hand, can't seem to debate without resorting to childish insults and almost never gives a substantive response to anything. Both Trump and Sanders are far better at singularly addressing crowds rather than responding to pointed questions and in the moment attacks. He needs to fully control the stage to really shine.
>>76711514
I suggest you look up libel laws.
>>76711783
>>76711261
>>76711630
I'm not "shilling" for anyone. I'm just skeptical. Honestly who do you think I'm trying to convince? The droves of Trump cultists that hang out here? No. I'm seeing if you can convince me. And you haven't.
So far the most compelling evidence is the primary model, but unless I can see why they decided to arbitrarily pick NH and SC (and it makes less sense since the GOP and Dem SC primaries aren't on the same day unlike the NH and Iowa primaries), I'm still skeptical as to why I should assume that model is correct this time. I want to understand its methodology, and the links I'm reading on the site aren't helping very much.
>>76711795
>Bill of Rights includes the right of the press. It's in the first Amendment, bud.
No shit, you uneducated faggot. Now actually go learn what "Freedom of the Press" means.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/freedom-of-the-press.htm
Seriously, you're acting as if "bill of rights means NO LIMITATIONS!"
You're a retarded nigger.
>>76711795
>I suggest you look up libel laws.
I suggest YOU look up the burden of proof required to make a case for "libel," which requires showing malicious intent, which is how the Press always gets off.
>Oh, we didn't MEAN to cause any harm....
That's what Donald wants to crack down on. If you weren't such a faggot, and did some research, you would fucking know this.
>>76711795
>I'm not sure if you watched the Democratic debates,
Yup. I felt embarrassed for her continuous failure. Even though the woman has destroyed five or so countries I still remember how she used to be decently cool, so I feel more pity for the low she's sunk to.
The only tactics she had:
1: Make falsehood about Bernie and force him to correct it.
2: Make a vague passive aggressive rhetorical flourish.
The woman cannot debate anyone, ever.
>She's a skilled debater and has been doing it since a teenager.
She must have lost that skill by the point of this election cycle, since she has no skill, a very slow wit and no tactics beyond a tendency to make falsehoods.
>>76711990
>I'm seeing if you can convince me.
Nobody cares about "convincing" you. We're calling out your bullshit for what it is.
>herpderp cultists
>>76687567
Sad kek
>>76711795
>she pretty much kicked Sanders ass every time
Oh, and though this wasn't to me...
What is so hard about kicking the ass of a deranged socialist mummy?
I didn't watch the Dem debates, but if $Hillary did NOT kick his ass, then there'd be something fucking seriously wrong with her.
It's not hard to point out blatant stupidity.
Case in point--everyone replying to you.
>>76703772
>He's an Alt-Righter
No. He still calls himself a liberal.
>>76711990
>Honestly who do you think I'm trying to convince? The droves of Trump cultists that hang out here?
I could just as well say the same. Who are you to trying to convince when you say there's no chance of winning even though people have been saying the exact thing before the Republican primaries even started?
I would say the primary model which has been accurate since 1912 and all those arguments >>76705656 >>76707054 are compelling enough.
>>76687345
Primaries predict presidents
http://primarymodel.com/
>>76712090
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Trump is the one who has to prove malicious intent.
>>76712007
Political speech has been highly protected historically in Supreme court cases. I don't think calls for censoring the press because they weren't nice enough to Trump would be considered constitutional.
>>76712154
I think your bias clouds your judgement. For the record, I don't like Clinton, didn't vote for, and won't vote for her. But credit where credit is due.
>>76712172
OK. Enjoy your hugbox I guess? Personally I prefer to have my views challenged. If something I think can't hold up to scrutiny, it isn't worth thinking.
>>76712291
What's so hard about kicking the ass of someone who can't articulate points?
>everyone replying to you
Because they feel threatened by the slightest contention.
>>76712676
>Enjoy your hugbox I guess? Personally I prefer to have my views challenged.
The problem is that if I want my "views challenged" I'll just go to all the other media sources that are basically controlled by Clinton shills and that have been saying the same thing about Trump for months and being wrong about his prospects the entire time. Go to /r/politics if you want to push a narrative about how the Trump University scandal somehow destroyed his campaign while most of the electorate doesn't actually give one single iota of shit about it. If anything /pol/ is a "TRUMP BTFO" "/pol/ BTFO" "DURR SURELY CLINTON WILL WIN TOTALLY NOT BIASED HERE" hugbox as of late because of people like you.
>>76712502
Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone. And I'm didn't say "there's not chance of winning". I said I'm skeptical. And I've already said why I'm skeptical about the primary model. But let me state further:
There is no clear methodology.
The methodology I have found states that they use early primaries to make predictions, but seem to have chosen NH and SC arbitrarily. NH and IA I would understand as they are the earliest and held on the same days (SC GOP and Dem primaries were not, which adds an extra variable that doesn't seem to need to be there).
There is no press on any predictions happening before 2008, and any model can be made to work retroactively.
The site has blank links. Some links lead to a reddit AMA. In the Reddit AMA, when asked about his methodology, the professor links back to the primary model press page that doesn't describe the methodology in any more detail.
It's compelling, but there are good reasons to be skeptical of it too.
>>76691208
MAKE CRYPTO GREAT AGAIN
>>76712944
>because of people like you.
Again, you're strawmanning. I realize I'm asking you questions that make you feel uncomfortable, but I don't create threads here, barely post to be honest, and never troll. I'm not here to "push a narrative". I'm here to see if someone can convince me that I'm wrong about my assumptions. If you don't want to do that, you're free to ignore me. No one is forcing you to engage.
does anyone remember how leftists behaved when Bush was president? This is going to be Bush x 10
>>76713157
>I'm just asking you questions
I'm sure you are.
>>76713342
I'm sorry you're more interested in protecting your feelings than arriving at the truth, whatever it may be.
>>76712676
>Everyone is ccalling me a dumbass because I'm so much smarter than them!
>It's the only logical reason!
We're done, Nederlands.
>>76713545
I suspect anyone who is calling me a dumbass is doing so because they feel threatened and don't have real arguments. People resort to ad hominem attacks when they need to feel right, but can't come up with a better reason as to why they are. Pretty standard human behavior.
>>76687680
>>76687510
it is literally impossible to know who will win. the only time you will know who wins is when the winner is announced. at this exact moment, it is impossible to prove that trump will win, or that he will lose.
>>76687345
>believing poll results
>>76712676
>I think your bias clouds your judgement.
Not at all. Bernie is more of a natural enemy of Trump than Hillary, and Bernie is the one with more inflammatory SJWish rhetoric.
>>76714065
>Bernie is more of a natural enemy of Trump than Hillary
Why? They're both anti-establishment, their views on trade and foreign policy have more similarities, Trump said he wanted to make the Republican Party the "Worker's Party" and Bernie's campaign was similar aimed at the working-class and the middle-class, etc. One of the reasons he didn't win is because he couldn't get enough minorities to vote for him. Blacks mostly voted for Clinton.
>more inflammatory SJWish rhetoric.
No that would be Clinton. Bernie has tried to stay away from identity politics aside from a few comments here and there, while Hillary's entire campaign is playing the woman card, calling Republican voters, Trump, "Obama Boys", "Bernie Bros" sexist etc.
>>76714454
>>76707846
Hello, summerfriend
>>76714858
Not a summerfag, but /pol/ isn't my main board.
