Rome, one of the most powerful and influential states in history, was a multicultural society
It's decline was caused by Christianity and Northern Europeans.
Your thoughts?
lead pipes, degradation of arable land
also >>>/his/ might be a better forum
None of what you said is true
>It's decline was caused by Christianity and Northern Europeans.
>declined due to a different cultural ethnic group and religion
>>>/his/ so everyone can laugh at you
>>76678774
It's political failures were its down fall so it can be discussed here.
Sources or gtfo faggot
>>76678774
/his/ can't distinguish between Rome and that Orthodox Hellenic Empire in the Middle Ages. They think they're literally the same thing.
>>76678673
Notice how it all started to go downhill when Constantine embraced Christianity
>>76678993
Of course a west imperial faggot would say that
>>76678673
Its decline was due to Anglos fucking their shit up
Nothing else
Good riddance too. An utter degenerate culture getting fucked over by people they consider "barbarians".
Kek
>>76678673
That's because everyone who was not roman was a fucking slave and only the most able of those ever got rid of that status
>>76679213
Wrong, Christianity brought them down
>>76679358
So, those Germans were Christian?
>>76679117
Point out to me on the purple section of this map where Rome is.
You can't? Thought so.
>>76678673
Literally 90% of the empire/republic had no political power or anything close to what we would consider "rights"
Can someone redpill me on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire? Is it worth reading?
>>76679253
>implying this isn't how we should treat brown people
>>76679587
nice question britt.
The western roman empire fell due to economic decline caused by usury and federated Germanic christian influences within and outside of their society and military. Parallels can certainly be drawn to the state of western civilization today and our own problems with jew banks and militant Islamic filth.
>>76679503
No I'll admit that the biggest part of the problem was the Germans kicking their door in but Christianity was also a part of the problem
>>76679358
>i'm wrong because i said you are
you're a fucking idiot. christianity is the only thing that kept europe from devolving into utter chaos after the fall of the western empire.
if christianity brought it down, why did the eastern empire continue on for another thousand fucking years?
dipshit
>>76678673
>It's decline was caused by Christianity and Northern Europeans
They were a major contributors but corruption and failure of meritocracy, famines, civil wars and people losing loyalty to Rome and the idea of the Roman Empire also played their part.
>>76678673
Immigration, cultural stagnation and the loss of a military ethos and esprit de corps is what killed them.
>>76678673
>implying a highly racist and imperialist power was "multicultural" because it had slaves
>not realising it only fell after it started accepting non-Romans as equal citizens aka after it became less racist and imperialist.
>>76678673
No, it was due to a dilution of the meaning of what it meant to be "Roman".
First a people. Then a nationality. Then a title.
Rome has been infiltrated be jesuits. you bitches want your jews conspiracy, well its really the jesuits. research
their decline was caused by the erosion of their well established religion which caused balkanization, by both the cristianity and the northern pagans
imo
>>76678673
> Multicultural society
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>>76679587
If you want to use that argument, then I suppose you believe the surviving west roman state after the fall of the city itself were just pretenders? Does that mean that faggot barbarian who took the city and declared himself emperor really was the roman emperor?
But it wasnt multicultural
It was ROMAN culture
They turned everywhere they conquered into more Rome
>>76679824
>>not realising it only fell after it started accepting non-Romans
And what is a Roman?
The Romans did a great jobs for hundreds of years of forced assimilation, whereby people became "Romans".
Then they stopped focusing on It so much and It was one of the reasons It started declining.
>>76679587
So by your logic, Nazi Germany was the legitimate Roman Empire for a short time while they occupied the city of Rome.
>>76680070
This. OP lives in England, which was populated by Germanic peoples. These people had a much different alphabet than we are using. Why are we not writing these posts in runes? The fucking Romans, that's why.
>>76680070
lol it's funny because both those characters are plebs.
>It's decline was caused by Christianity
Uh, no Its decline was caused by the civil wars enabled by Gaius Marius' reforms to the military transformed it from a citizen militia to a professional mercenary army willing to sell its services to the highest bidder.
If Christianity was to blame, then the far more Christian East wouldn't have survived for a thousand years after the West fell.
>>76680070
This.
Monocultural, multiethnic. Undoubtedly the most successful multethnic empire in history, but diversity never gave it strength. Don't ever come to the conclusion that just because Rome managed it after centuries of brutality means we modern cucks can do anything like it. Even with that, long into the empire there were still regional splits that caused tensions, the major being greek east and the latin west. In the end the dream of a united roman people and culture failed.
>>76679824
>not realising it only fell after it started accepting non-Romans as equal citizens aka after it became less racist and imperialist.
that's why Trajan, non-patrician of Iberian origin was named optimus princeps (the best ruler)
>>76679587
Right there you stupid cuck.
>>76678673
No. The whole point of Rome was order guaranteed by the brutally monocultural Mithras-worshipping army and the brilliant Roman legal system. If it was multikulti as we understand the concept, it would never have existed.
>>76678673
No they spread themselves too thin and overspent the entire way.
>>76679918
maximum keks
Feminism was the main thing that destroyed Rome.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/feminism-responsible-for-the-fall-of-rome/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7nmMEEmHjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0zacaIard0
>>76680362
don't underestimate the politics involved in that decision.
I'm sure plenty of true romans were spinning in their graves. But no one is going to stand up for a long dead man.
>Romanz wuz Nordic an shiet
Fuck off.Just fuck off already.
Romans,like Greeks,were white skinned with mostly dark hair and eyes.
Don't stoop down on nigger level,please.
>>76678673
>Multicultural society
>SPQR Senate and People of Rome
>ROMAN Empire
>Romans destroyed the celtic culture because it was barbaric.
Illiterate britcuck pls
>>76678673
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
It's not alone.
Collapse has happened for many reasons.
A common one is a centralised distribution system (like the fed).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy
We're screwed.
Babylon all over. Repeating the same mistakes, largely led by jews.
>It's decline was caused by Christianity and Northern Europeans.
No it was mainly jews, yet again.
God dammit, stop fucking up the financial system Jews.
>>76679213
>degenerate culture
>downfall lead to european culture wasteland for about 1,000 years
ok
>>76679213
This.
Rome was a degenerate mess.
That being said, the fall of this "rome" has no happy ending, everyone will flounder.
>>76678774
Lead pipes is a MEME. Nothing wrong with them after a few years because of oxidation.
>>76680835
there were no *true Romans* past the Kingdom era.
>>76680105
exactly it got less brutal towards those under its rule. and it suffered for it. prime example was accepting gauls as senators. terrible decision.
>>76680044
Don't feed the Brit fool senpai.
>>76678673
Nearly every great empire that slowly crumbled had multicultural issues. We are repeating the same mistakes our forefathers warned us about.
>>76678774
>forum
It's called board, newfriend. We don't have forums.
>>76681108
hail caeser
>>76678673
No it wasn't. Augustus even called Romans "the toga wearing race" there was a racial component to their society, it was only after the Empire was in full swing and dindus like Caracella got into power that he changed the laws so that every subject of the empire officially became a Roman citizen. In effect, that act of multicultural-racialisation is what caused Rome's decline and diluted her out of existence.
>>76681015
which has nothing to do with whether or not Trajan deserved to be named best ruler...
>>76679358
no it was due to ignoring jurists like Cicero and concentrating more political power in the emperor
and then exacerbated by beaurocracy
>>76678993
>/his/ can't distinguish between Rome and that Orthodox Hellenic Empire in the Middle Ages
One is the inheritor of the other. Byzantine was essentially rome 2.0.
Rome and Greece had trade places time and time again.
Greece did that before with Babylon before that went to complete utter shit.
Essentially, today's society is founded upon those first empires. We're still in Babylon.
Rome was Babylon.
Byzantine was Babylon.
Europe and Arabia are essentially a divided giant fucking Babylon.
And it's more degenerate than ever. We never stopped building the tower of fucking Babel. It's called "progress"
It has no brakes. Best we can do is ask God for forgiveness.
>>76680839
Quite a few of the Emperors legitimately had light coloured hair and blue/green eyes, I think this is what the whole notion that Rome was Nordic is derived from.
>>76679706
Well, in that case, so was breathing air. Maybe people got sick of the degenerate bullshit and went conservative.
>>76680960
>>downfall lead to european culture wasteland for about 1,000 years
Mate European culture flourished because it balkanised and separated into specific cultures.
Rome was a giant multicultural cesspit.
>>76681609
madonna laughs in your face
>>76681228
It was germanics, you destroyed their empire
And how can you be so stupid to blame multiculturalism?
It was a fucking empire, of course its multicultural
Damn you germanics are so fucking stupid?
>>76679358
Fuck off with this atheist meme, if anything Christianity saved what was left of it.
Look at how many assassinations were happening towards the end, the Empire just couldn't pull itself together with how much instability there was in politics.
>>76678673
even if it were multicultural, they didn't enact pro-multicult legislation, and laws were not passed with the popular support of an internet informed society.
the people at the top were in charge. change didn't come immediately after a radical attack. it was slow, and reflected the beliefs of those elected to office, rather than what shills think will get them re-elected and succumbing to twitter pressure
>>76681809
settle down hose
>>76681809
It wasn't always an empire, nigger.
>>76681492
>implying the Babylonians weren't just apeing the Assyrians.
>>76681809
it was multi ethnic not multicultural, until it softened up and started to crumble
>>76681809
>new group of people destroyed it
>multiculturalism didn't destroy it
Jesus you're dumb as fuck and your stupid monkey ass comes in all these threads. Fuck off low iq animal
>>76678673
Dont blame christianity you ignorant germanic
Here's a list of Emperors that were killed/assassinated:
http://www.allempires.com/article/index.php?q=fate_of_roman_emperors
Look at that list, how is that in anyway normal for a nation/empire.
>>76678673
https://soundcloud.com/fecshrooms/a666s
>>76682289
Shut the fuck up garden drowner
>>76682047
Of course not, read again my post, germanic pigskin
>>76682190
Except in west europe, everyone had their own culture
>>76682211
Really germanic?
When romans started conquering, it became a multicultural empire
It wasnt multiculturalism, it was germanics
But you germanics like to blame others things because you know it was you
Shut up already, how can you adore the people that wanted to kill you?
>>76682648
Go back to gunning down Haitians you monkey fuck.
>>76682380
You are really mad, pigskin
Offended because the people that you love so much wanted yo kill you?
>>76682648
You sound legitimately stupid and your beliefs confirm it.
>>76682762
And you go to fuck your dog or you sister you pig fuck
>>76682923
Yeah right, germanic
Everything that say you dont make any sense
>>76682648
but the they and their culture were subservient to Rome and its culture.
Roman was the premier culture. everything else was second class citizens. well actually they weren't even citizens until Caracella came along as I think someone else has already mentioned.
that's not multiculturalism that's a monocultural empire that includes specific groups holding on to their own cultures. its not part and parcel of the Roman culture though.
>>76681492
>We're still in Babylon.
>Rome was Babylon.
>Byzantine was Babylon.
>Europe and Arabia are essentially a divided giant fucking Babylon.
Babylon wasnt a degenerate shithole
>>76683143
Romans and greeks wanted to spread their culture but that didnt work so well in asia and egypt, it worked in west europe as those people didnt a culture like rome or greece
There is a reason why asia and egypt prefered the sassanians over romans and greeks
>>76683166
>Babylon wasnt a degenerate shithole
It was the epitome of degeneracy though.
Even the bible agrees with that. Stupid spic.
>>76681108
You realize thats a play? As in a work of fiction? What are you getting at here?
>>76683399
this statement has nothing to do with the discussion at large...
>>76682140
>he forgets about Sumer
>>76683417
Give me source of that
The degeneracy in babylon werent the same as the west today
> was a multicultural society
this is what permanently killed the empire. Don't you notice to trend?
>>76683855
Hahshaahaha
Here we have this stupid germanic
>>76683446
>our forefathers warned us about.
Dammit Bobby, learn to read.
>>76678673
Nope, Barbarians, eastern Roman Empire lasted till 15th century on Christianity
>>76683837
>"Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth."
The bible literally states it's an example of what not to do with our empires.
Even jews use it as an example of degeneracy.
Human weakness made a system that worked, stop working.
Just like today.
But hopefully Trump is a God emperor.
Because we need one.
Wrong
>>76684458
Every empire in history has collapsed due to inner conflict between races.
This "empire" is no different.
Bin Laden saw this I think (assuming not a mere false flag)
>>76685098
Except about the Germans
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>>76679587
Rome was a backwater collection of hovels for the last two centuries of the Western Empire. Everyone thought it was a complete dump and a constant drain on resources. All the important shit happened at Ravenna.
The Eastern Empire is no less legitimate.
>>76678809
American education for you
>implying Rome didn't have Jews early on in it's history
>OMG DAJOOS DID IT.meme
Also Greeks, Gauls, Spanish Celts, along with some Syrians and Anatalonians lived in Rome before the great migrations of Germanic and other peoples from the North and East.
>>76678673
No it was caused by shitty puppet emperors that got killed off when they stopped playing ball for the military. The empire was so weak it could not even defend itself from gorh invaders.
>>76685942
You think those ancient jews were the same as these jews (askhenazis) from today?
>>76678673
Rome's decline was caused by the importation of cheap labor from their conquests, further enriching the already-rich upper classes, and putting most of the middle and lower classes permanently out of work.
Sound familiar?
The "bread" part of the "bread and circuses" was because without that charity the bulk of the citizenry would starve.
Julius Caesar was killed partly because he was about to enact a law requiring that all businesses employ citizens for a certain minimum percentage of their workforce.
>>76686448
I was being satirical
of course not
>>76687441
Hahahahha
Not it wasnt
Dont apply what rome era to US era
