Daily reminder this is a Christian board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_xSNBxenZk
>>76517241
>Christian board
>Has advertisements for Japanese sex toys
>>76517241
Sorry m8, I'm a deist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374R7te0ra0
>>76517241
Judging by that video you want this to be a street hip hop Christian board. Too much Japanese anime for that though.
>>76517241
Amen
>>76517537
Manga Messiah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHWvKQBleMY
>>76517278
a test to see how faithful you are.
>>76517241
reminder that the owner is not a christian
and godfags should have their own board, so they could call for murders and rape in their god's name
/pol/ is controlled by racist jew faggots
>>76517935
If they truely owned it, it would be shut down
>>76517241
daily reminder to live deliciously
/pol/ is a christian board
Christians are too cucked these days. I liked Christianity more back when the Pope wasn't kissing the feet of Muslims.
>>76517714
Fucking hell /pol/ I accepted Satan but the devil keeps bringing me to these threads.
Being a son of Satan is irreversible though.
>>76517241
How the fuck can 80% of americans believe in this fiction.
>>76520177
There are plenty of uncucked redneck baptist
>>76521327
The majority are cucks though.
>tfw no crusades or reconquistas in your lifetime
why live?
>>76517241
No it's not.
Some people here are genuine christians that practice their religion - some are just in name, but the great majority are just pretending or use it as a meme.
I am practicing it to be honest, to be christian it's a way of being human, a way of life - can't be otherwise.
>>76520177
>Catholic in america
I hope the Klan visits you soon
>claims to be a white nationalist
>believes in middle-eastern shitskin religions
Your European forefathers who fought against Christianity are looking down on you. What they felt about Christianity is the same thing you feel about Muslims right now.
>>76521577
Can confirm. Most of the ones I know are posting RFID = Mark of the Beast articles on Facebook and claiming its the end of days.
>>76521973
>you mean looking up at you from the pit
Fixed it for you.
>>76521577
Iraq war/ Afghanistan are the modern crusades
BROTHER WILL KILL BROTHER
SPREADING BLOOD ACROSS THE LAND
>>76520177
>Catholic =/=Christian
GTFO. America will be WASP only.
>>76522449
Being a Calvinist is nice, because I know God is in control
>>76522527
Agreed. Also, if you can accept predestination, egalitarianism is not a meme you're likely to fall for.
>>76522527
God is all powerfull he is always in control, you dont need to be a calvanist for that
>>76522766
Semantics. I much prefer the term "biblical" to "Calvinist" but it's what most people are familiar with.
>>76522703
God made us with different talents, egalitarianism isn't biblical
>>76523279
That was my point
>>76522870
Reformed or doctrine of grace is the professional term
>Father, please forgive them, for they know what not they do
Cheers mates.
>>76523351
Just elaborating on your point
>>76523439
You're doing God's work, anon.
>>76523652
Eph 2:10
>>76517241
Daily reminder fall of Christianity means fall of the White civilization.
>inb4 muh dark ages
We moved past that, atheism is only being pushed onto white country's while every other non White shithole has embraced there religion and stayed back in the 4th century embraced its backward moral code and are now pushing in.
Individualism and humanism can not survive when you are faced against collective mind bent on destruction.
In order to prevail we must embrace our one true god and trough unity and faith we can strike back ( no it does not mean we have to kill homosexuals or prohibit abortion or turn women into slaves), people need something they can stand with, as longs as we fight over left and right, atheism religion, the single minded beast is growing.
>>76517241
Not Catholic enough.
>>76524501
That's a good thing :)
>>76517241
Daily reminder this is a Jewish thread.
>>76517241
>this is a Christian board
Amen, brother.
God bless you.
Serbian Orthodox Liturgy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-J2kuSCLvE
Pic is inside my church.
>>76524882
If Jews don't accept Christ, they Go to hell also
>>76525029
They go there anyway, but they will pull you there with you since you are circumcised and insulted god's created human body.
>>76525110
There are many more Jew-created insults to God's created body than that.
>>76517241
The vid you posted is utter shit. Pure degeneracy.
It makes me doubt your motivation about making this thread.
this is Christian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp1gOhr4_Tg
and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-J2kuSCLvE
>>76525381
God's creations don't need modification, especially not at birth.
>>76525110
Circumcision was an old covonent sign, but has null effect now.
>>76525771
Don't get me wrong. Anybody who harms a child is in violation of every form of law so as to be shot on sight if a proper trial according to law is not available. I wonder what spectrum of charges could be used.
But the insults to God's creation are innumerable and insufferable.
>>76526296
Baptism is the new circumcision
>>76517241
I think its hilarious that people say this seriously. As bait as this thread is, ill bite and remind you that because many of you arent real believers in Gods word and use the bible for cherry picking stories, and to think you get your morals from said stories makes you borderline retarded. Also, can people eventually come to an agreement on the bible and show what is supposed to be taken literally and what isnt?
Who here believes Noah was over 900, and built a boat that big for a flood that lasted over a year without that boat getting utterly destroyed?
>>76527137
Me, myself, I
>>76527269
How was this possible?
OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD
HE REIGNS FROM HEAVEN ABOVE
>>76527364
Sin was new to the world, so people lived longer, the new max age post flood is 120 years
>>76527050
Getting some water poured on your head doesn't do much.
But look out. The new fad is body modification for transhumanism. A combination of necessary medical processes and Kool Kid cool things will lead the way.
>>76527408
With wisdom power and love
>>76527479
I believe baptism should be full immersion
>>76527474
>Sin was new to the world
If that's the case why would (((god))) flood the Earth? :^)
>>76517241
>christianity and hip-hop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D7iT2MT00o
needs more b-shoc
>>76527553
Don't know much about that, but my parents were nice enough to teach me how to swim.
One time when I was little some guy picked me up and tossed me into a body of water. Didn't bother me in the least and I knew exactly what to do. Being immersed is fun.
No it is not.
Christianity is a corrupt religion
Christianity is religion of cuckolds
Christianits will be die in 2100
Your shitty religion is over. Islam will rule the world. and you can't do nothing about it
stay mad alhamdulillah.
>>76527613
Because he wanted to
>>76527978
But according to (((the bible))) he flooded Earth because it was so sinful.
Those two things don't really work out with each other.
>>76527710
Baptism doesn't save but it is a public declaration of your faith, a covenant sign of being in Christ
>>76528370
It was sinful
>>76528504
Then humans shouldn't have grown 900 years old as with your previous statement.
>>76517241
Fuck the weakling religion of Christianity.
>>76528601
Sin was newer to the world than it was now, but there is also the canopy theory too
>>76528685
Fuck yourself
Posting Christian flags
>>76528370
earth was flooded because most people were not people anymore. viz. fallen angel(sons of god)/human hybrids via reproduction
>>76528469
It happened to me when I was too young to remember, let alone chose.
As far as I'm concerned, I make public declarations of my faith every time I go to Church, and also in my daily life.
>>76517241
A board has a human will by which it can accept Christ as its Lord and Savior?
![[3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13].png](https://i.imgur.com/zDMmzyG.png "[3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13].png")
>>76529053
>>76529480
>Swiss "flag"
Shit tier
>>76529221
If your saved, you should get Baptised
Actually I didn't watch that video and I'm a Lutheran.
On a side note-
>Catholicism LOL
>>76517241
I want all christcucks to leave
![[16] First Flag US.png](https://i.imgur.com/emFUBE7.png "[16] First Flag US.png")
>>76529702
>>76529702
Whatcha gonna do?
>>76529821
Thomas Paine was a Christian, read 'Common Sense' by him. He didn't like the institutionalized church. You cherry picking philistine reddit atheists make me sick
reddit pls go
I feel like we need to set out our beliefs and interpretation of the Bible. At the moment these threads usually degenerate into denominational shit-flinging or heathen shitposting, so we need some resource to summarise our beliefs, defend them and properly send across our message to anyone who should read it.
Anybody up for a new new testament?
![[17] - Alabama state flag.png](https://i.imgur.com/uWJF1Bu.png "[17] - Alabama state flag.png")
>>76529821
Anarchist fuck off
>>76529709
Pretty darn sure I've been baptised. I'm also pretty darn sure about where exactly it happened since it was made of stone and the church wasn't renovated until decades later.
Saved or not is a different question.
>>76529800
>Catholicism LOL
Indeed.
>>76530357
Have you put your trust in Christ alone ?
>>76529959
He was a Deist, which definitely isn't the same thing as a christian.
He believed there was a god but that it did not interfere with the lives of humans, he also believed that Jesus was a fraud.
His views on religion are summed up in the Age of Reason.
>>76530480
But pope spoke the truth in that picture. Apostates and atheists will meet one another after this live.
>>76530625
I wouldn't put my trust with anyone, but I would put it with Christ before else.
>>76530828
Pretty arrogant to claim to man your own church appointed as the head is going to hell. Maybe it's *you* who isn't the Christian?
>>76530909
You must Repent (change mind) and put you trust in Christ alone, and you will be saved
>>76517241
>Yank Out Lucifer's Oppression
Hey, I quite like it.
>>76531039
If you're a Catholic, your trust isn't in Christ alone. It's in a whole history written by other people who came after Him.
>>76530645
>deist
Sounds the same as what Masons belie... Oh wait
>>76531209
I know, and that's why a lot of Catholics won't make it into the kingdom
>>76531605
A lot of people period likely won't. That's not a new observation.
Small gate/narrow road and all.
>>76531860
Yep only the elect
>>76532338
Sorry I don't speak pebble.
Try speaking to me freely.
>>76532338
So if I'm not the elect, I can take these demons and wrestle them down to hell with me to never return?
whats the best way to find my faith?
>>76532574
How would you know if your elect or not. Only God knows
>>76532680
Read Romans 1
John 3
Romans 10
>>76532680
Going to church is actually good. You might need to shop around.
>>76532680
There's no one best way, because what constitutes "best" methodologically impinges on personal preference structures we can't exhaustively qualify and which differ necessarily from person to person.
>>76532787
i've looked at an orthodox church near me, i'm just a bit scared to go.
Theres a Catholic church just up the road, but I don't feel like Catholics worship god and jesus christ.
>>76532757
thank you.
I've got a King James Bible, i've heard which bible you read is quite important, correct?
>>76532680
You kind of actually have to want it. Try and really really believe in what used to be our religion
While you're doing that read about secular and Christians philosophies as much as you can and understand the logic behind them
>>76532955
I've always believed in god and I want to have absolute and pure and absolute faith in him but I've always had doubts and questioned things ( not trying to sound like an edge master, I just want to find faith )
>>76532945
Kjv, esv, Nasb, and Nkjv are good
>>76533120
You can have faith and doubt. They're not mutually exclusive at all.
>>76533120
Like this tripfag says >>76533199 we all get doubts
Hell, I sometimes get doubts. The aim is to believe the grand majority of the time, otherwise you'd just be a nominal Christian
Like I said, read about philosophy and logic
Daily reminder that you're all a bunch of barbarians playing pretend instead of not giving a shit about what some made up skyking thinks about you and living your life according to your morals
why are there so many """""Christians""""" on this site? it's insane. why do you believe in myth-tier shit?
inb4 nice reddit fedora go post on /r/atheism lol !!!
Christ has:
>died
>risen
>will come again
Pick 3
>>76533501
Why do you believe your sensory experience corresponds to real objects?
>>76532945
I'm not Orthodox, but my information is that they're just as welcoming as the Catholics. One of them sent me a youtube of it and it was more or less the same thing in a different way.
People are actually really friendly if you just want to be some nobody who wants to go try it out sometime. If you don't want to check out the booklets they stock in the pews, you can surely look it all up online.
>>76533501
Me personally it was a means for me to stop being a relativist, and because it's my nation's historical religion
I got used to it after a year or so
>>76533610
Because I am alive insofar I follow my senses
>>76517935
Hey! Don't put us in with the mudshits please!
>>76533610
>Because it's self-evident? Duh
>>76533739
You can also be alive insofar as you don't.
Your thoughts precede your experiences. You can't have experiences without a mind.
>>76533860
>>76533893
> You can also be alive insofar as you don't.
No I cant
> mfw driving my bike
> mfw my eyes see a truck coming this way
> le ebin my senses lie to me XD
> le dead
>>76530480
>>76517241
My heritage is Vikings and my Gods can fuck your faggy little jew messiah up.
>>76533739
You have faith in your senses than
>>76534064
Where are de dough
>>76533610
Why shouldn't it? Just because we have consciousness (whatever that is) doesn't mean we're some speshul snowflakes that have le god. If anything it's just a testament to the power of evolution that allows us to be self-reflective (though religion takes that much too far). Animals, with brains and instincts just as us, are experiencing the world as it is. Tangible.
Mostly it's people thinking we're more special than we really are. Sorry, I too have taken philosophy of religion, and the "what's REALLY real" bullshit is honestly just filler. You're kidding yourself if by asking yourself "lol... is this real doe??" has any true bearing on what "real life" is.
The atoms that make up our brains are the same that make up everything else. It's no different.
>>76534064
You don't even believe in your """""god"""""
>>76534067
Having faith in your senses makes sense, insofar ignoring them leads to damage to your actual body, not to some nebulous abstraction
>>76533987
>mfw riding bike
>mfw my eyes see a truck coming this way
>le ebin my senses tell truth to me xD
>le ruse all along - I swerve into real truck
>le dead
Ebin.
>>76534165
The chances of him believing in his god is equal to you believing in yours
There is no reason to assume otherwise
>>76534203
My world view can validate my senses, yours cannot
>>76534064
Your gods were raped and killed by the "little faggy"
>>76534261
I drive my motorbike all the time and such thing has never happened
I strongly recommend you see an ophthalmologist
>>76534307
>The chances of him believing in his god is equal to you believing in yours
How?
>There is no reason to assume otherwise
Argument from ignorance
>>76530480
>>76530480
>>76534307
True either way he's going to hell, might as well larp
>>76534434
My worldview automatically validates my senses tho
>>76534143
Why *SHOULD* it?
If they don't, they don't, and you've been delusional all along in insisting they have. Why should I believe your unfalsifiable "unproven" premise?
>>76534143
Are the shadows on the wall real?
Is the Cartesian physics real? What about the Newtonian physics? Oh shit, now quantum physics? What's all this shit all about?
You really can't prove it one way or the other like that.
>>76533957
Nice
>>76534477
>I drive my motorbike all the time and such thing has never happened
Great. That doesn't mean anything at all.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
That article is incredibly easy to read, but I don't expect you to understand it despite that. You types generally tend to not be that bright.
>>76534498
> Argument from ignorance
Ironic that you say that, insofar you failed to provide any proof that supports your argument that you believe in your god more than he does
No one has a reason to believe you believe more in yours
>>76534510
Hell is an absurd concept
There is no reason to believe in hell
>>76530828
Yeah, according to the story Jesus told about the rich man and beggar implies that people in heaven will see people in hell.
But pic related is why Catholicism fails. It is antichrist doctrine to suggest you can be saved without Christ
>>76534096
>>76534447
>>76534764
There's no reason to believe anything other than "thoughts exist", but here you are doing it anyway!
>>76534667
> Great. That doesn't mean anything at all.
It means that I can trust my eyes
Fuck, Christian sophistry is not even trying today
> muh reductio ad absurdum
>>76534829
There is reason to believe your senses, insofar ignoring them leads to pain
>>76534549
How?
>>76517241
>>76535129
My worldview is the pursuit of the happiness of my body and my biological interests
>>76534981
>It means that I can trust my eyes
No, it doesn't. But again - I don't expect you to ever bother even trying to understand what that's not the case. I linked you directly to an argument for why you can't do so, but you'd rather just dogmatically assert your completely fallacious position. Stay dumb~
>>76535064
There's also reason to doubt them for the same reason, given they can lead you to pain. What a horrid argument you have.
>>76534719
Irony is not an counter-argument
>insofar you failed to provide any proof that supports your argument that you believe in your god more than he does
We would I be interested in proving my faith
>No one has a reason to believe you believe more in yours
God is beyond reason though. He may well reach the others by different means
>>76535221
> God is beyond reason though.
So you recognize that your faith is illogical, and you can't defend it with reason
Sounds only fair
>>76535193
That's your "purpose" not your world view. That's called hedonism
>>76535362
Nope Romans 1
>>76535193
>>76535400
Maybe we can word this a different way.
There is more to life than yourself.
>>76535362
I can't defend my faith with evidence, it's faith
And God is a-logical (outside/beside logic), not il-logical (contrary to logic/ disproved by logic)
>>76535212
You are arguing for an abstract nihilist christian point of view.
I am arguing from the point of view of my bodily self-interest, the problem of induction does not exist once I declare that my senses define reality
> given they can lead you to pain.
They don't??
I mean really, it is not really my fault that your senses are crap
Consider euthanizing yourself
>>76521923
>>76522449
>protestants
>not cucks
Reminder that it was the Catholic Church that was responsible for the majority of Kebab removal in Europe, including the reconquista of the Iberian peninsula from the Muslims.
>>76535400
>>76535463
>There is more to life than yourself.
No there isn't
I can't prove the existence of anything else except myself. Hedonism is only logical worldview
>>76535605
> And God is a-logical (outside/beside logic), not il-logical (contrary to logic/ disproved by logic)
A non argument tho. Something being alogical does not make it any less valid
>>76535798
* any more valid
>>76535798
What if God loves you anyway? Is that logical?
Even if you admit you can't prove anything?
>>76535645
>You are arguing for an abstract nihilist christian point of view.
>Christian
>nihilist
Holy contradictions Batman!
I am not arguing from an oxymoronic point of view, Paco.
Your senses can lie to you at any moment - nothing in the universe prevents that. In fact, it happens to people all the time. Yet you blindly follow them as if they can give you truth, despite the logical fact that it's nonsense to believe they do - see: Problem of Induction.
>>76535798
>>76535845
Valid typically means "accurately following the rules of logic"
>https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/valid
The (scientifically unanswered) question is whether God is true or not
>>76534559
Stop being circular yourself. I hate how this always ends up with "ohhh nooo scary objective facts!! well you can't prove them 2 me so therefore I am right!"
What's wrong with objective facts? What is SO different about your sensory experience that makes mine totally different? We have the same hardware, it should be assumed the experience is relatively the same. this is proven further by seeing that people act in generally the same way - through motivation. People who don't, for example serial killers, are seen as broken and are mutations (to put it bluntly). Anyway, shying away from objective facts doesn't solve anything... we all know people are afraid of death and philosophy is a very complex way of dealing with it. Sorry to say, pal, but once the lights are out you cease to exist. Just as before you were born. B-but that's not provable, r-right? That's why we go to heaven, right?
Anyway, seems pretty silly that evolution would pick our random species to give delusions in the form of senses to. Really doesn't make any sense. But oh, wait. God gave us these incorrect senses so we'd have these existential crises, of course. For no apparent reason. Sounds awesome! Because doubting your senses in the face of a huge predator or a large elk that is needed to survive is definitely the case. Oh, yes. Not just a byproduct of an industrialized society that allows time for us to sit and think about our wonderful brains.
>>76536000
> What if magical unicorns love you anyways? Is that logical?
> Even if you admit you can't prove anything?
> What if pink flying elephants love you anyways? Is that logical?
> Even if you admit you can't prove anything?
> What if the Sun loves you anyways? Is that logical?
> Even if you admit you can't prove anything?
What is this with christians posting completely meaningless arguments
>>76535645
>the problem of induction does not exist once I declare that my senses define reality
HAHAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT THE *DOGMATISM*!
Yeah - you atheists sure are the "scions of reason" LMAO.
>>76536072
I think you mean: scientifically unanswerABLE
>>76536288
There are literally thousands of years of debates about it if you really care that much.
But God loves you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>76536255
>I hate how this always ends up with "ohhh nooo scary objective facts!! well you can't prove them 2 me so therefore I am right!"
>>76534143
Why shouldn't it?
THE. *IRONY*.
>>76536004
The truth my senses give me has constantly allowed me to be happy
Insofar happiness is the only measure of reality for my worldview, it means that my senses are trustworthy
Even if they were to accidentally fail, they remain a far more reliable measure of reality that the insane rantings of a demented apocalyptic jew obsessed with death
>>76536333
Next you will say that dogs and cats are dogmatic for trusting their senses
>>76536649
Why care about your happiness?
You can't justify a belief that the future will be like the past because in the past the future has tended to be like that past. That is *VICIOUSLY CIRCULAR REASONING*. Illogical as all fuck.
>>76536451
> But the Pink Elephant loves you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
what a meaningless phrase
>>76536438
It's only scientifically unanswerable if you baselessly assume that:
1. There is a physical and non-physical world and God (a non-physical entity) doesn't interact with the physical world
OR
2. There is no such thing as a non-physical world/ entity
>>76536725
You're not "trusting your senses", you're *ASSERTING* that your senses *DEFINE* reality itself. Holy shit the self-delusion is *REAL*.
>>76536779
Dogs and cats form the bases of modern technological human mind control. We call it things like Classical Conditioning and Operant Conditioning.
Ivan Pavlov pioneered this, and he even abused children in addition to animals.
>>76536870
but... they do. call the arguments what you want, senses define reality. I dunno why you would think differently. drugs don't count.
>>76536763
What circular reasoning I am committing?
> I came to exist with my senses
> Senses allow me to obtain things that make me happy
> If I disobey them I get burnt / hurt / wounded / even dead
> thus my senses are good for me
> my worldview demands the pursuit of happiness
> thus it makes sense to trust my senses
> You can't justify a belief that the future will be like the past because in the past the future has tended to be like that past.
You can if there is no reason to assume otherwise.
Do you really believe that 1+1 will be 3 tomorrow?
>>76535798
Can you prove that?
>>76537204
"Why would I think differently"? Because I tend to think there's actually a *world* outside myself.
>they do
Yeah, please instantiate everything in the universe is caused by your perception of it. Let me see your brilliant reasoning.
>>76536870
You do know that you can't define reality outside your senses right?
You literally can't
>>76537035
that some cray scientists may make with their senses does not imply that it is logical for cats and dogs to ignore their senses, unless it is logical to end up beneath the wheels of a truck
>>76537341
I say that I can't
I can't prove the existence of anything except myself
>>76537204
Senses define objective reality. You heard it here first, folks. Next you'll be insisting that there's no historical evidence for Jesus even having existed, let alone having risen from the dead. O wise and worshipful, atheist bro. Praise thee.
>>76517241
Jesus came to Pol to die for real
The true God of Memetics is Kek
I really hope that anyone wanting to convert to Christianity will read this threat and realize that Christianity is based on insane sophistry that puts demented standards of proof on everything except its own book of crazy jewish rants
no logical person should endorse this cult
>>76537252
>What circular reasoning am I committing?
>>76534477
>I drive my motorbike all the time and such thing has never happened
You believe the future will be like the past, because in the past the future has tended to be like the past. Otherwise you couldn't make statements like the above or place any faith in consistency between time state dependent propositions between your experiences and how reality will behave.
>>76520334
Whats it like being half red pilled and half black pilled?
>>76537678
>Next you'll be insisting that there's no historical evidence for Jesus even having existed, let alone having risen from the dead.
>implying there is
>>76537678
What a stupid counter argument
If you can't trust your senses, why do you trust the senses of the crazy maniac jews that claimed to have SEEN and HEARD Jesus after his rise from the death?
>>76537598
Can you do that?
>>76537252
1+1=2 is a necessary truth. It's a tautology.
"What I see tomorrow will represent real objects rather than illusions" is *NOT* a necessary truth. At all. In any world.
>>76537520
Yes I can.
"That which exists."
No senses required.
>>76537749
>My worldview is the definite, correct worldview, I guarantee everyone else is 100% wrong
Who says fedoras can't proselytise
>>76537520
I guess you could start here, if you want to. Maybe you could tell me whom it was written by and what her family was up to.
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf
>>76537848
> mfw a christian near me only knows Reductio ad absurdum and claims that tomorrow 1+1 could become 3
> mfw people reading this thread realize christians are insane
>>76535798
Worldly pleasure is at best a zero-sum game, and human existence (without God) is actually heavily tilted toward pain and suffering. Hedonism is self-defeating. I'm sure you value a lot more besides yourself and your pleasure.
You say that there isn't anything more to life than what you can be logically certain is real.
Do you really think that what you cannot perceive is irrelevant -- that other people might possibly be no more real than dream figures, so you could rape, torture and kill them if you find pleasure in it? What stops you? The possibility that we may be as real as you?
>>And God is a-logical (outside/beside logic), not il-logical (contrary to logic/ disproved by logic)
>Something being alogical does not make it any less valid.
It does. For example, the fact that the totality of all there is not nothing whatsoever (i.e., something exists) is an alogical/pre-rational fact, and is nonetheless valid (and one of the few absolutely certain logical truths).
>>76537951
Only to my self
For all you know, I could be a spam bot
just like you can't prove your own existance to me
Given that, reality is a personal construct
>>76538160
>mfw a random gaytheist quite literally strawmans and starts meme'ing when he's found incapable of being consistent with logic
>mfw people reading this thread realize naturalists are usually dogmatic illogical twats
Never ceases to amuse.
>>76538011
You can't prove that any object belongs in the "that which exists" set, except yourself
>Salvation is attained through grace alone
>Grace requires completely surrendering the ego and giving up one's self to Christ
>Implying /pol/ isn't inherently willful, self-affirming, proud, and doubting
>Implying we aren't all going to Hell for not being big enough cucks
>>76538092
> that Christian sophistry
>>76538240
correction: "certain truths" not "certain logical truths"
Pray for these Atheists pol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRFumI2ch0
>>76538353
>>Grace requires completely surrendering the ego and giving up one's self to Christ
no it doesnt
grace means grace
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
>>76538353
As the only board of true love and peace, we merely make the suggestion. The rest is up to everybody else.
>>76538262
Could an all powerful God reveal something in a way you can be certain of it?
>>76538412
>That wilful ignorance
>>76538351
You're right! But by virtue of that one thing I *CAN* prove, I can already establish that something *DOES* exist. And if something *DOES* exist, the proposition "nothing exists" is false. And, *simultaneously*, nothing rules out the possibility that *OTHER* things exist - only that I have yet to be able to prove them if they do. *Meaning* it's entirely logical to make the proposition "things other than myself might exist", and leave that open or act as if it were true - since it could be.
>>76537964
>>76538310
So I get it that you realize that logical statements like "1+1 = 2" are true and don't require further proof, right?
At last we are advancing
>>76538641
Give me an inductive proposition that is necessarily true and requires "no further proof" mane.
Good. Luck~
>>76537509
Yeah, there is a world outside ourselves. Good one, you're getting it. I can't instantiate it to your likings, pal, but you and I both know, deep down, what you see is what you get.
>>76537678
ayy lmao, I'll believe that someone literally un-died because a book and a bunch of people that never saw it told me it happened since I was a little kid. But senses, which I can readily experience, are not reality! wOwoowWWOOW brainfuck here. Sorry for doubting you, mr christchan!
>>76538624
Proving the existance of anything else would require trust on your senses tho, your only communication route with the outside world
Insofar you don't seem to believe they are trustworthy, the only rational position you can assume is ultra-agnosticism
>>76538608
Reveal in what way?
accordingly to Praceteom here, I can't trust my senses to validate the proof that this God may provide
>>76538770
You can appeal to emotion if you'd like - not gonna get you anywhere in an epistemological argument.
>>76538620
>A bong who is also a CHRISTIAN is calling a sane person telling them the truth ignorant
Kek
>>76538776
>Proving the existence of anything else would require trust on your senses tho
I don't even try to though. I don't care to - it's not relevant to me, since I don't think basic epistemological limits make me incapable of doing so.
>>76539047
capable*, not incapable.
>>76538859
That's right!
But, if we assume God, God can do that which we can't conceive of, such as *actually* incontrovertible Truth revelation.
>>76538751
Not required tho
Given that reality is a product of my senses, and reality can't be provable outside of it, all I need is mathematical soundness to check that I am not crazy and that my assumptions about the environment are not invalid
>>76538988
not an argument
>>76538988
You wanna point out his "truth" senpai? Naaah. That would require you to do something other than spout empty rhetoric.
>>76538918
What do you believe happens after you die?
>>76539274
>Not required tho
It actually it is, since otherwise your sensory experience doesn't necessarily correspond to truth. In which case -fucked- is how your "philosophy" remains.
>Given that reality is a product of my senses
Isn't baseless assertions what you bash Christians for? Kek.
>>76539435
Eternity.
>>76539401
Cheers bruv
>>76539195
>assume God
Why? That's pretty wild imo. Incontrovertible? Hmm, that's a pretty controversial statement right there!
This is where it gets funny. You have all these "arguments" ready to go but in the end you believe something more crazy than what you accuse us of believing. Absolutely hilarious.
>>76539047
>>76539195
> But, if we assume a Magical Pink Elephant, Magical Pink Elephant can do that which we can't conceive of, such as *actually*
> But, if we assume a (being that can violate logical rules), (being that can violate logical rules) can do that which we can't conceive of, such as *actually* incontrovertible Truth revelation.
talk about circular argument
I'm 3/4 Scottish, 1/4 German, marrying a Jew and converting
>>76538770
Do you realize that all - literally every single one - of the original disciples were hideously tortured to death, and not one renounced their "faith" in what they had seen. I'll give it to you-- to the apostles, what they saw must have defined their reality; all i know is that they must have seen him rise from the dead, because if they didn't, why didn't they recant their story?
>>76539607
And you'll be what? in heaven? Still a "soul"?
not
really
DEAD?
>>76539574
Define truth then
>>76539736
Qualify "more crazy".
Since I believe nothing is more crazy than believing in viciously circular logic such as justifying one's belief that the future will be like the past because in the past the future has tended to be like that past. Which is what you do.
>>76539435
Nothing until the second coming, at which point we will all rise again and will be judged for our sins.
Hey Gaytheists, remember that time nothing exploded into everything for no reason and magically formed sentient life? That was awesome.
>>76539823
Muslims blow themselves in horrifying ways
Buddhists torch themselves to protest occupation
I guess it is time to convert to Islam and Buddhism, their insane devotion truly is proof of the validity of their crazy cults!
>>76539739
There's no circularity there. Do you know what a circular argument *even is*?
I've never been baptised.
But which church should I get baptised in? Apparently they all see eachother as Valid as long as it's no ta cult, so it shouldn't matter too much, should it? Catholic requires RCIA so I was thinking maybe Lutheran.
>>76539838
I believe I'll still be around. "I" being identical to myself. I can't qualify my essence or anyone else's, if that's what you're asking.
>>76539823
According to all of these christian chumps, why should it have defined their reality? They can't prove it.
I'm just saying what the christians here have been saying. Why not apply it to yourselves?
besides, who knows. Probably were just killed. Probably saw something crazy but 2000 years ago people were significantly stupider than today so it could have just been weather. Either way, it was thousands of years ago (And nothing has happened since then) so it should be disregarded. meh
>>76539904
> I can assume that things exist because I believe that a being that can make you assume that things exist exists
talk about projection and circular logic!
Here you have it folks, Christianb Sophistry!
>>76520562
It's not fiction.
>>76539988
>conflating being tortured to death with committing suicide
pic not related
>>76539866
That which is in accordance with fact or reality.
>>76539935
Hey Christcuck, remember when your supposed Messiah said "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16:28) yet 2000 years later, with everyone of the people he addressed in that verse dead, he still hasn't shown up?
You're like that loser kid that fell for a prank of the cool kids that told him they'd pick him up some place, yet never show.
>>76539935
>pic
>>76540154
why do you believe this?
>>76539904
Sounds pretty good to me. Sounds logical. We learn from the past experiences and we apply them to the future. Sure, it messes up sometimes but most of the time it works. See: modern civilization and the fact this is the best time to be alive, ever.
>>76540165
>nothing has happened since then
Yep, it's been completely inconsequential (sarcasm), which is just further evidence that there is no God! (sarcasm)
>>76539997
You don't seem to know
This is circular logic: "Whatever is less dense than water will float, because such objects won't sink in water"
> a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
Circular logic: Things that happened in the past, happened because they had occured in the past
Not circular logic: Rules of Reality are consistent along a timeline
>>76540243
Define fact without using circular logic
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