https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-pm-trudeau-shows-doubts-f-35-fighter-215947040.html?nhp=1
>Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau expressed doubts Tuesday about the reliability of the US F-35 stealth fighter, as the government looks to replace its aging fleet of jets.
>"For 10 years, the Conservatives completely missed the mark when it came time to deliver to Canadians and our military the equipment they need. They clung to a plane that does not work and is far from working."
That's a shame.
Good, the F35 is shit.
took him a while to say atleast one thing right
but even still if he had a better figher plane he would not kill his enemies as they would win
>>76466730
you're shit
>>76466884
No they're actually shit. Weedman actually right about something, I know it's shocking
Fucking faggot retard Trudeau the F35 is the apex of aerospace weaponry
While I agree with him, how does he know the F-35 is a piece of crap? Does he have inside knowledge of the project and experience in mechanical engineering or did he just read what some liberal journalist with a degree in Women's Studies said?
>>76466661
Everyone know the F-35 is garbage
They literally build a shit tier plane for the sole purpose of selling it to their lapdogs (UK, Canada...etc) who fooled themselves into believing it was F-22 tier of quality when its actually below F16
>>76466661
F35 would be a shitty investment.
>>76466661
He's right, they need container ships to get more refugees.
He's probably correct to be honest.
Anyway, they will be so expensive you could outfit an entire airforce for the price of an F35 pilot's helmet.
I thought Trudeau already cancelled that project ...like 6 months ago?
He's not the sort to spend a fortune on military toys while LGBT youth are suffering.
>>76466661
>the Conservatives
maybe stay the fuck out of US politics and stick to kiss the boys at the pride parades, you fucking leaf
>>76467028
>>76466884
your average leaf poster
clueless
Not like he is helping our military with shit.
>" does not work and is far from working"
Enough about the refugees.
>>76467200
It's basically common knowledge that the plane sucks. The people who fly then don't want them. The helmet they use is a literal meme and malfunctions half the time
>>76466661
>no money for defense
>plenty of money for illiterate third-world shitskins
>>76466661
He's right, you know. The F-35 stealth fighter doesn't spread a tolerant, diverse enough message. The new Canadian-made stealth fighter will be larger and painted with rainbow colours, as if you're enemies don't see your stealth planes then they win.
It's based off of Canadian firefighting technology.
Whats the point of thwse multi million dollar air crafts if we arent even going to kill people with them? As a tax payer, I dont like the idea. Do you go buy jeans at the mall and not wear them? That would be silly. He better test these new machines on human targets. Go big or go home goys.
The problem with the f35 is that it's a multi-roll fighter and people keep trying to compare it's speed and maneuvering to interceptors. Two completely different planes for completely different roles.
Do we still hate JT or do we like him now?
>>76466661
>believing trudeau
>not understand airplane costing methods
>not adjusting for inflation
>not understanding how learning curves work
Fuck the left. Go waste more money on refugees. Your economy is obviously responding very well faggot leafs
>>76467274
Prep the bull sven you obviously don't have a clue about weapons systems. Every major leap in tech has hurdles and pitfalls to overcome, the F35 is no different, and when it's finally done it's going to be fucking amazing.
>>76466978
So whats a better plane?
>>76467623
Broken clock, etc.
If you kill your enemies they win that's why we don't need the f35
>>76466661
>buying Gripens
You still alive buddy?
>>76467555
You do realize that the US leases amphibious fire fighting aircraft from Canada right?
>>76467682
He's too handsome to hate. I like him now.
>>76467555
lel'd and check'd
>>76467200
It doesn't have quantum computing
>>76466730
This
It would be a miracle if he revives the Avro program
>Promises a open fighter competition before getting elected
>Gets elected, gets told the F-35 would win a competition
>Uh-uh we're just buying Super Hornets! Decision over!
>>76466661
I agree with him for the first time I can remember. The F35 is a shit show. Another great display of globalism. Lets keep our military separate for fucks sake and control our own projects.
>>76467672
Avro
Learn your history
CHIEF QUEEF LEAF DOES IT AGAIN
>>76467672
F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
>>76467672
Honestly anything that isn't multi role.
>>76467742
>tumblr tier meme minister
>meme facial hair
Well fuck I finally agree with the Canadian PM about something. F-35 a shit
>>76466661
Hilarious considering Canada HELPED BUILD THE FUCKING THING
https://www.f35.com/global
>Michael_Jackson_popcorn.gif
>>76467460
It's a meme that it sucks
>>76467656
Also conveniently neglecting the fact that maintaining the fleet is more costly than purchasing a new one
The only question is whether we buy the planes or get rid of the air force completely. For King Cuck I think that's a fairly obvious question
>>76467262
The Conservative Party of Canada you fucking mucus membrane
Posting the most graceful plane ever built by man
>>76466661
First intelligent thing he's ever said.
>>76467657
equally amazing as your fire fighting tactic?
>>76466661
Feel free to make your own plane, faggot.
Until then, shut your your mouth you ungrateful pussy.
>>76466661
Good, this plane is a CANCER
>>76468083
Russians make the best looking jets
>>76467865
We'd be the only nation on earth still buying them in five years you know how much its going to cost to maintain a fleet? Not to mention they don't have the stealth or the sensor capabilities of the f35
>>76467884
Why not? All we're going to use them for is bombing the middle east its not like we need a dog fighter
>>76467256
why spend at all? we don't need an air force. kill em with kindness. our natives in the north with quads and enfields will do the rest.
>>76467200
Most world leaders have inside knowledge on top level armament development.
>>76467656
>this
/pol/ should leave /k/ in /k/. They're dumbasses and don't know half of what they're talking about, but you guys are down right retarded. Jesus Christ.
>inb4 MUH LOCKMART SHILL
Go fuck yourself. 2A5X3 stationed at Nellis reporting in.
>>76467737
Don't you have a fire to put out and South African fire fighter to be cucked by?
>>76467602
>can't bomb as sufficiently as alternatives
>can't defeat intercepters
Oy look at this rad helmet tho m8
It's pointless to even be focusing so much money on that tech anyway
It's never gonna be used for its intended to do (out tech Russian planes)
That money would be so much better served designing equipment for the skirmish and anti-insurgency situations we've been facing for that last 15 years.
But nah lets meme a plane and build more Abrams lolz.
Fucking military industrial complex has cancered away our effectiveness as a fighting force
>>76467884
This. Its better to do a couple things extremely well than a mediocre everything.
Shit design, i like the lines but the systems are a mess.
>>76468235
1. F-35 was not designed to be air superiority like the F-22
2. Other planes are not going mach 1.5 with payload. F-35 will.
>>76468368
>chairforce faggotry itt
>>76468368
But anon, it's cool as balls.
Just remake the F-14 and give the pilot a fixed F35 helmet
>>76468558
This. Fucking helmet's the only good thing about the whole mess.
>>76467672
F-22, F-16, F-18F
>>76466661
>Even a leafcuck PM who probably closes his eyes when shooting a nerf gun realizes the F-35 is a fucking stupid ponzi scheme
YANKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
MASS REFUNDS IN 2020
>>76468515
Take your EDC and suck start.. oh wait.
>>76466661
The weedman finally says something smart.
>>76467200
I'm in the industry and I guarantee you that any leader has access to all the technical reports and what have you about the said vehicle. It is just a matter if they want to look through that information and Trudeau is no exception.
The Canadian purchase of the F-35 was controversial from the start for a number of reasons. Perhaps the biggest thing that Canada requires is that their aircraft have two engines so they can perform patrols up North where there obviously isn't a lot of infrastructure. Then there are other issues like airborne refueling and logistics.
>>76467623
Hate'm
>>76468548
Yes it is, hence my disagreement with half the turbonerds here sperging about F-14s
>muh Avro Arrow
and "Y NOT THE SUPER DUPER HORNET THO?"
>>76466661
How many missile hits can an F-35 take?
>>76468729
The US won't sell f22's, and the f35 is superior to the other two by any metric
>>76468930
A thousand.
>>76468505
>1. F-35 was not designed to be air superiority like the F-22
Of corse but the F-35 is still a turd
>F-35 will
Of course Johny
>>76469072
That Bingo sheet is one of the greatest things I have ever seen.
>>76469072
>Of course Johny
Other planes have external payloads. They will not go full speed with payloads. That was one of the reasons the f-35 was designed the way it was. It can go mach 1.5 with its payload.
>>76466661
>Lockheed Martin
JUST CANCEL MY SHIT UP SENPAI
He obviously has no idea...
F-35 is great at what it is.
The "what it is" part confuses people who are not heavily into military topics.
It is not a direct replacement for F-16's or F-18's, which are multirole fighters.
F-35 is a strike fighter. Not a multirole fighter.
That means it is more focused on ground attack role than fighter role, while it's the other way around with classic late cold war western planes, which usually are multirole fighters.
F-35 should be compared to planes like Su-34, Harrier, Su-22, A-7 and so on.
Once it's tech issues get ironed out, and they will eventually, it will be a really nice strike fighter. But it's never going to be a F-22, just a really modern strike aircraft with (very modern) second rate fighter capabilities - which obviously will not be a match for the fighter capabilities of an equally modern fighter, in fact there are questions about matching those of upgraded older generation fighters.
So it's not a bad plane at what it's supposed to do. The problem is that many people, including its own marketing (for obvious reason$), think its a classic multirole fighter.
Because countries without a massive budget for a massive air force need a multirole fighter, like the classic western fighters.
They don't need a strike fighter and don't want a strike fighter, but they still get F-35 pushed on them. It might hurt both sides here, Lockheed gets flak for selling a bad multirole fighter (that is bad at being a multirole fighter because actually its not a multirole fighter but a strike fighter), and countries that don't have actual fighters to support their F-35 and need actual fighters will get screwed too.
USA has F-22 for that job in long term, not enough many but that's a separate screwup, there were supposed to be 3 times as many.
I hear the F35 is compatible with the new power up pods that appear after killing all 5 of the red enemy aircraft.
>>76468889
Well I'd rather waste my money on a jet that can go fast and doesn't work than black people that run fast and don't work.
>>76466661
>mfw weedman said something right
>>76468051
Underrated
Bingo, what a shock.
>>76469337
I'm 100% agree with you but nobody know/have the sauce about the speed of the final version of this meme plane. We all know the problem since the start: they should build 2 different plane.
tl,dr. all the slamming of the F35 cause I've heard it all before for every other leading edge military thing the USA has done. When we annex you to stop your import the poor refugees, then you'll get as many F35s we think you should need. Don't fuck with us Canada, you know we own you any time we want.
>>76469924
t-t-thank, busy, don't want read the thread
>>76469416
This is objectively wrong simply due to the F-35 having the best FCR ever installed on a fighter in the history of aviation. That on top of a MLS that makes MAWS look like a pirate with a spyglass in comparison. A clean F-16 can't sustain with an F-35 with a full internal load, 2 9x's, and 2 120C-7s
>>76466661
TRUDEAU CONFIRMED FOR MILITARY GENIOUS
>>76467672
none, just send hordes of red shirt with ak-47 and you got yourself a new land.
>>76468930
2. Unless you want to fuck up your RCS.
>>76470184
No, it's a lot easier to build one plane. You can reduce your support and costs of maintaining several planes, make deployment plans easier, et cetera.
The navy did the same thing. They wanted to build a single multi role plane because it would be a lot easier to outfit the carriers for a small number of planes. Congress said no. So they sneaked around it: they offer a more expensive plan to "upgrade" the Hornet, so we got the Super Hornet and Growler which replace several navy aircraft and ultimately have nothing in common with the original Hornet except some level of how it looks.
>>76466661
Even broken clucks are right twice a year.
Yet he's going to spend it on f-10's or something like that. Justin the retard Truedeau, always doing what his puppet masters tell him.
If he were a real leader he would start supporting Canadian companies and we'd make our own airforce. With the money we spent on buying shitty planes we could have made a million fighter-drones. No pilots needed, and they would cheap as hell to replace. Also numbers > quality especially in air fights. Let's see your special stealthy f-35 dodge 200,000 A-A missiles, yeah I thought so.
>>76470379
I have no idea what you just said there. I do know though that we can buy like 10 F-16s for the price of 1 F-35
Can 1 F-35 shoot down 10 F-16s at once?
Yeah add that to your Fucking bingo.
D-do you think he'll pump a few extra billion into Bombardier instead? P-p-please?
t. Bombardier engineer
Holy shit, who cares? There's not even a real war going on anywhere. You don't need to have 200 jets in the air every minute of every day. None of them are going to do anything important. They're not gonna get in dogfights, they're gonna fly around for fun, wasting our tax dollars. We should scrap the entire Air Force AND Navy until a real war kicks off. Fucking welfare queens.
>>76470807
Good point tho
>>76471339
Delta saved your ass.
>>76469249
yeah, I love it
>>76471118
>we'd make our own airforce
We haven't the infrastructure or knowledge base to do so. It was all gutted in the 60s, and the engineers left for the US and UK.
>>76471437
>There's not even a real war going on anywhere.
Everyone always says this right before there's a real war somewhere.
>>76471437
>We should scrap the entire Air Force AND Navy
And take down your flag when you do and run up a nice American one. We'll take care of that shit for you.
>>76471678
They might have saved it, but the Unions are still on track to kill it. At least once a week I find someone asleep during work hours on the facility.
>>76466661
So that means it works?
>>76466661
But the helicopters that fall apart are okay?
>>76471195
Flyaway costs for an F-16E Block 60/61(least expensive upgrade variant) is a fly's ass hair over 105 Million, Flyaway costs for the F-35C is a hair under 171 Million (Most expensive of the 3). Mind you the F-16E is worse in just about every category, and would be shitstomped. Don't even try to bring up an earlier model MLU or C Block 50. It wouldn't even be close for those.
TL;DR you're wrong again.
4th generation planes all get shot down by sams without any problems.
>>76466661
die leaf
>>76471195
ROFL, The F-16 is old now, The f-35 won't even have to engage in dogfights because they're not designed too, it will spot out the f-16 from miles away, shoot it down before the f-16 knows it was there. Rinse and repeat.
>>76471938
Big deal. One day to scrap them, one day to re-implement them. All you gotta do is throw all that shit in a hanger. A plane isn't gonna spoil without being used.
Another big problem with the F-35 is that most of the shit that makes it "the best" in what it does, is accessory technology that if moved to a superior air-frame would make that plane even better.
>>76472654
Does your plan also involve dusting off the pilots from the last war and pushing them into front line combat duty?
>>76467672
Cessna 172 with an AR-15 stuck out the window.
>>76472855
If you can remember how to ride a bike you can remember how to fly a plane. It's not even THAT hard. Just pull up during take off and landing and you're golden.
Doesn't matter if the F-35 is a shit plane.
Anything is better then the toasters we have flying around right now
>>76466661
Guess he speaks with authority on things that don't work
>>76473098
Yeah this checks out.
>>76467405
Kek
>>76471782
You don't know how wrong you are, we have a ton of talent that's being wasted right now. We could easily start making our own planes and in 5 years we would have our own air force. Drones are the future for air-superiority, and all the big players are investing big in drones. We're still wasting money on buying expensive shit that requires tons of maintenance and is filled with specialized parts that won't be available anymore in 20 years.
Anyways, my point is that we do have tons of engineers and we COULD have the infrastructure if the government properly invested in it.
>>76467672
F-22
F-15SA
>>76468209
In before : "Start producing Avro Arrow!"
No.
>>76472974
Or some hi point shit for authentic fly by shooting
>>76472788
Yes, it's such a shit airframe that the Chinese are STILL actively trying to access airframe materials, engine specifications, wing diagrams, and maintenance manuals.
We had a brief about this just last weekend regarding securing potentially sensitive information pertaining to the F-35.
>>76472788
Rofl, learn some basic aeronautical engineering please, you can't just throw this shit into an older model plane, they were designed to be perfect for what they needed. Throwing a super computer in there throw the extra stealth layers on the chassis and you got yourself an inefficient aircraft. It needed to be designed from the ground up
>it's a barely disguised F-35 thread
wew lad
>>76472974
Nah mate give them an AK-47.
More reliable in a strong crosswind.
>>76467785
bringing back the diefen dollar too
The A-10 was built around a big ass gun, the Harrier was built around a big ass engine, the Turd -35 was built around a pile of poo in the loo shit.
>>76466661
Probably the only thing he has said that's either true or has any relevance
>>76466661
How are war planes like this even relevant now that drones are a thing?
>>76467242
Eh, its still the only internationally available fighter with internal bomb bays. Of course it's only available to have in eternal maintenance, but that's what we mostly do with them any way.
>>76466661
Canada just became an enemy of the USA calling their weaponary shit
WATCH OUT CANADA
YOUR ARMIES ARE SHIT AND PRIMED FOR EASY TAKEOVER
>>76474020
Yes, cause they'll be able to control a fleet of drones as though they were an extension of the F35. The F35 is a war fighter. It's expensive, get over it.
>>76466661
Only thing he's ever said I agree with. Though his decision was probably not because it "performs poorly" but because it's a "dangerous assault plane that promotes violence and should be banned from Canadian soil".
Probably had his Sikh colonel make his statement less gay.
>>76466661
He is right though, it's a well known scam.
>>76466661
The F35 is a pure shit.
Good job Trudeau
>>76467200
He probably has an advisor who understands the engineering of it, and relayed inside knowledge to him.
Is it really this hard to figure this one out?
>>76474733
>sez the Frenchie airplane salesman....
>>76466661
Behold, the well-renowned military equipment expert, Justin Trudeau.
How many armaments companies has he created and sold munitions to?
t. military expert and aeronautical engineer
Redpill me on the F-35
What exactly is wrong with it? I thought it had state of the art stealth and that is essentially all you need nowadays.
>>76466661
Wow I think I can agree with canada on something
The F-35 is an overpriced flying brick of electronics, meant to do everything, but nothing well.
But lets get real, it was all about boosting $LMT quarterly earnings report. Getting that cash flow
>>76474260
Also this^
Watch yourself fuc boi
Can't have Canadian weed stoners undermining us.
>>76466661
I just want to point a few things out for these people.
Going back on the F-35 program was a key point in Trudeau campaign with the Liberal party. When he was elected last year, he went back on that word.
There is an annual $110 million dollar payment EVERY country needs to make that has F-35 on orders and before the receive their F-35, payment will be done in full. This is a key point to why the program has gone on so far, its a money grab.
At the time that Trudeau sold the remaining stock of Canadian gold (approx $100 million) our annual F-35 payment was due to the program, so you could say that the gold sold was for the program. Why, because gold is an important component for the manufacturing of the F-35 electronics.
Why does Canada not need the F-35? Simple, Canada needs Interceptors that can quickly fly from the few airfields we have and arrive to our international boundaries to meet with the threat. The F-35 does not have the ability to fly more than 150 miles (approx 230?) without refuelling. As far as I know, Canada has no aerial tankers.
The whole program is a disaster and would not fit for Canadian requirements and if possible, to pull out now would be devastating as I would not imagine Lockheed and company would give a refund. Face it, we are stuck with the shitty program where we would have been better off with an F-18 alternative or if possible, get involved in the F-15 Silent Eagle program.
If you knew he was an idiot why did you elect him, Canada?
>>76475243
It's expensive, has had massive set backs, negative reviews from pilots and poor performance in dogfight simulations. Basically it fails to live upto what it was marketed as and it costs a fuckload.
>>76475243
It is the best, just a little price for what you'd think you should pay. All these detractors are just envious we are leagues ahead of the rest of the world and think we should let the world catch up.
>>76475050
Then who are you to talk all this shit fucking pussy ass faggot.
>>76475632
RARE FLAG?
cause it's [the current year]
>>76475817
I may just hate Trudeau more than Hillary.
>>76475531
>The F-35 does not have the ability to fly more than 150 miles (approx 230?) without refuelling.
Is this some kind of handcrafted artisan bait?
>>76466661
Trudeau is just jelly of our military.
Like any other country and that's just fine. It's okay to admit everyone is jealous of our military.
Git gud.
>>76475632
Because Stephen Harper fucked up towards the end of his term and most people had a "anyone but Harper" attitude. Thats why we are stuck with king cuck. He's honestly not that bad policy wise, it's just he does alot of stupid and cringey things in order to pander to the young crowd.
>>76473378
the US DOESN T SELL THE F22 because it s 2good !
>>76475694
WTF don't people get. It's not a fucking dogfighter, jesus christ.
Apparently we're Super Hornets as gap-fillers while we find an alternative.
Goes to show that the DND has some competent people left. If Trudy had his way, we wouldn't have an airforce period.
>>76475531
Never post again.
>>76475531
Your lack of information is insane. The biggest thing to point out is
>The F-35 does not have the ability to fly more than 150 miles (approx 230?) without refuelling
IT has a longer range than your current F-18s do, even when they have external fuel tanks and the F-35 is purely internal fuel only. It is one of the biggest selling points for the jet...
>>76466661
The conservatives actually said the same thing and were looking into other options. I don't see why people are agreeing with him when literally the opposition said the exact same thing.
>>76475531
It can fly over 700 miles on internal fuel, fyi
>>76475925
Trudeau is a complete fucking muppet.
>>76475632
Because our country is the equivalent of a white-guilt-upper-middle-class-yuppie who never worked a day in their life.
>>76475946
The F-35 is too heavy for the single engine that is designed for it. The F-135, or whatever. I'm only going off the top of my head from what I have learned about the program. If you want to refute my claim, please do so with a source and I will reconsider what I have said. Until then, the engine in the F-35 can not fly pass 150 miles on a standard combat load.
>>76476056
So you're telling me that a plane that is supposedly more stealthy and has better radar technology than the F-22 isn't even a good dogfighter? Face it, it's expensive and doesn't do what it was supposed to do.
>>76474396
Just leave the humans on an AWAC far far away or operate them through satellite if you don't mind the latency. There is no reason to have the F35 at all.
With high enough gain antennas jamming is not an issue. If keeping those antennas locked is a problem with fighter drone maneuvering you could have a tiered approach, a couple of stable flying comm drones relaying communication with the fighter drones.
>>76467742
is he trying to look like a turk here
>>76476314
>Trying this hard to bait
>>76476206
>>76476142
Source please, hopefully including loads when in flight. Weight is a huge issue with the already bulky F-35
>>76476136
Make me, cunt.
>>76476206
That's only combat radius. Going from point a to point b is way further out.
>>76476378
ROFL, Leafs baiting hard today it seems. The f-35 has higher operating altitudes and much superior radar technology and superior stealth technology. It knows you're there long before you know it's there. No need to dogfight if you can destroy the other plane without them even knowing you were there
>>76476206
It has a combat radius of 700 miles on internal fuel which means it can go around twice that in one direction.
>>76476314
You shouldn't double down that hard when you get called.
>>76476314
The engine itself puts out 43k wet which is fairly substantial, but JSF burns energy pretty fast in a turn.
>>76466661
He should get Canada to make their own planes. It would increase industry and productivity in Canada, and make the burgers mad.
>>76476460
http://fas.org/man/eprint/F35-sar-2016.pdf#page=16
Even if you're trolling I don't feel bad if I fell for anything. This took 15 seconds of googling.
>>76476460
>>76476482
>>76476574
>No need to dogfight if you can destroy the other plane without them even knowing you were there
>WTF don't people get. It's not a fucking dogfighter, jesus christ.
Make up your mind kid.
> Leafs baiting hard today it seems
I didn't even have to say anything. You dun gone and rekt yourself.
>>76477075
There's nothing contradictory in his post. He explained that it isn't a dogfighter twice and went on to say why it doesn't need to dogfight. Do you understand what BVR and WVR are?
>>76467602
Costing like 20 different planes fulfilling different roles and being fraction as effective as any of them.
American military tech development is a meme, they think making billion dollars worth matchine like F-22 or comparable program cost F-35 would make it equivalently x times better than cheaper planes, when the truth is it doesnt and problem lies with extremely high RnD costs in US and corruption.
We develop silimar tech for fraction of cost, and Chinese just steal yours for free (including already stolen F-35 designs).
>>76476578
>You shouldn't double down that hard when you get called.
I'm not some autistic savant, I don't remember everything to the T and I can handle being called out on being incorrect. If all I was incorrect about is the distance, so be it.
>>76476722
I guess I take that back, approx 700 miles is better but still not enough.
![cc-150-polaris[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g1VPWhQ.jpg "cc-150-polaris[1].jpg")
>>76475531
>As far as I know, Canada has no aerial tankers.
Here you go
>>76466661
su-47 ftw
Ive been waiting to use this
>muh a10
>brrrrrt
>>76466661
And his based Sikh special forces defense minister will slap sense back into him.
Canada's Hornets are nearing the end of their aiframes' lives. The Rafale and Eurofighter are more expensive. The Gripen NG is just as expensive (though I will grant that its sustainment costs based on current estimates are cheaper).
>>76466730
Surely you have a shred of evidence to back up this assertion?
>>76477295
Actually, it points as well as a Hornet, which combined with a helmet mounted display and AIM-9Xs allows for crazy off-bore shots. It's a great dogfighter
>>76477338
Come back when the PAK-FA is an actual stealth plane, Boris
>>76466661
It works better than Canada's prime minister anyway
>>76466661
well shit even a broke clocks right twice a day.
>>76478314
airline pilot here:
ask me anything about the f35, because i hardly know anything about the fucker other than it sucks major dick
>>76477715
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you weren't fishing for (You)s. You should be able to realize a combat aircraft isn't going to have a range of 150 miles just on common sense and especially in an aircraft that can go 1200 miles and hour. Do you really think the plane has 7.5 minutes of flight time before it runs out of fuel at top speed?
>>76478642
I thought it's speed was a major problem in dogfights though? Especially compared to f-16 top speeds
>>76466661
Another prime example of the world depending on the USA for defense while they go play at socialist theories.
>>76467672
>So whats a better plane?
It depends on the country. A plane suited for one country won't work for another. Canada needs a reliable and durable plane in the Arctic north in case the Russians parashoot in. I think for Canada, the A-10 can provide the ruggedness and the CAS role Canada is desperately lacking.
>>76479184
It's a design tradeoff between turn rate and alpha. The F-16 relies on turn rate and acceleration. In contrast, the F-18 relies on trading speed and energy to quickly point its nose around. For whatever reason, I speculate that it has to do with high off-boresight missile shots, the aeronautical engineers decided that the F-18ish approach was better.
https://fightersweep.com/2548/f-35-v-f-16-article-garbage/
>>76479510
The RCAF doesn't need an ancient, dedicated CAS airframe. They need something to defend their airspace. Suggesting that they buy ancient A-10s while their Hornets fall out of the sky is the pinnacle of insanity
>>76466661
Like this faggot knows the first god damn thing about jets and how they "work".
>>76479134
Actually full bore afterburner goes through fuel pretty damn fast.
>>76479510
They can basically use anything that goes fast and flies far. The reason the F-35 will not work for them is because its slow as shit and they have too much land for it to cover.
Lockheed shills in full force tonight, as always.
if you kill your enemies, they win,
these fighter jets are making us lose
They got this one right. F-35 is a money pit.
The shop next door to me got a job making tiny little inconel pins for some part on this thing. $200 each and they are just the subcontractor!
>>76480085
Must I bring out the bingo chart?
Or do you have an actual argument
>>76479184
Problem isn't top speed, it's maintaining speed. An F-35 has 35% more wing area than an F-16 but it's almost 50% heavier when loaded. The plane turns great but it bleeds airspeed badly to do so, meaning a lighter aircraft (like an F-16) in a sustained dogfight will eventually have an energy (airspeed) advantage over the F-35. Although it's debatable how much dogfighting the F-35 will actually ever do.
And the F-35 has a significantly higher top speed than the F-16 (M1.6 vs M1.2), and can actually sprint short distances at M1.2 without using an afterburner.
>>76479659
Ahh yes, I remember seeing them talk about f-16 comparisons and I understood that the f-35 could dogfight if needed. Interesting concept about the nose turn, I had never heard of that before
>>76479931
Fast and seven and a half minutes fast are two totally different things. Eight minutes of fuel is rocket plane territory and while I'm sure they would have added one if they could the F-35 isn't a rocket plane.
>>76475050
We sold LAV s to Saudi Arabia
>>76480399
Yeh I figured as much, I kinda tied in the agility/speed together. I knew the f-35 isn't a sparrow in the air.
>>76466661
>They clung to a plane that does not work and is far from working
And this fucking faggot is clinging to a jet thats literally made of wood.
>>76480399
>The plane turns great but it bleeds airspeed badly
Just like your existing F-18s
>lighter aircraft (like an F-16) in a sustained dogfight will eventually have an energy (airspeed) advantage over the F-35
Energy is a little more than airspeed, but the designers decided that nose-pointing was more important in an age of off-boresight missiles and HMDs
>And the F-35 has a significantly higher top speed than the F-16 (M1.6 vs M1.2)
Not at anything resembling a combat loadout, between the additional weight and drag
>>76480697
never mind our Sea King helicopters that take 8 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight.
>>76480816
I think we should just build BRRRRT'S en masse.... buy the rest from the states and let it be.
>>76479032
Just it suck moderately sized dick?
>>76466666
>>76468235
>>76469072
>>76471679
You realize that image is making fun of anti-F-35 retards, right?
>>76480933
I'm glad you aren't defense minister
>>76473272
Drones and UCAVs are nowhere ready to completely replaced manned combat aircraft. They won't be for at least another century, barring some great leap in computer technology.
>>76466661
The cuck does not easily surrender his bull, but he may seek out others.
>trudeau is a fucking retard
wow news
>>76480462
Low altitude max afterburner fuel consumption rates are incredibly high. Sub 10 minute duration on internal tanks only is well within possibility.
>>76475531
Canada has tankers. And being part of NORAD, Canadian aircraft can refuel from USAF tankers, as well.
>>76480085
What would a beaner know about such matters?
>>76477338
Come back when your buildings stop collapsing Vladimir.
>>76466661
>If you kill your enemies, you lose.
(Justin Trudeau, Premier ministre du Canada)
Fucking Canada. Can't even speak English, even though Her Majesty owns the cunts.
Any cunt talking frog on land owned by Her Brittanic Majesty is a fucking heretic and must be kill.
>>76481187
the bad part is, id be better than what we have now.
>>76480085
Pedro we all know you spics know nothing about planes, otherwise you wouldn't care about the wall
>>76482113
You fucking turncoats.
How did you elect that cunt?
I thought we were mates.
HE'S A FUCKING FROG.
>>76466661
goes to gay pride rally
OH SORRY
gets mauled by a beaver
SORRY?
says sorry
SO HOWS IT GOIN EH
shovels snow
JUST GIVIN 'ER EH
contimplates suicide
SORRY!
welcomes refugees
OOPS SORRY
extracts milk from bag
HEY HOSEHEAD
chops down a tree
HOW ABOWWWT THEM FLAMES EH
tree falls on mother
OH SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU
waits 10 years for chemo
DIJON KETCHUP
eats at tim hortons
COULD I GET A GRETZKY PLEASE
watches cuck porn
OH SORRY ABOWWT THAT
drinks maple syrup
ABOWWWT
fucks a moose
NICE DAY FOR A HIKE, EH
gets reddit account deleted
OH YAHH
house burns down
OH SORRY
doesn't make NHL playoffs
OH SORRY
riots in both official languages
SORRY
changes national anthem
DUDE GENDER POLITICS LMAO
smokes weed
PASS THE VAPE TO THE LEFT
converts to islam
YOU WERE SAYING
shitposts
OH SORRY
gotta spend that money for tax breaks for the gooks buying up all the canadian land
>>76482078
There are people who still believe we'd be better off together.
>>76466661
Trudeau is trying to save face after campaigning on not buying the F-35, by breaking a campaign promise of a fair and open selection.
>mfw canada cant built their own military equipment because they are fags
>>76483017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSyMJreC6eI
I hate to say it but current year man is right. The F-35 is a flying turd that can barely maneuver. Don't be surprised when the US sells them off quickly and keeps the 22 and Super Hornet for themselves.
>>76476054
mama mia! you a' righeteee
>>76473378
The F-35 is better than the F-22 is more ways than the F-22 is better than the F-35.
And the F-15SA is inferior to both while costing as much as an F-22.
>>76483186
muh arrow
the f-35 is a meme and a distraction for other nations to try and "emulate" while we quietly divert all the funding into black projects.
>>76466661
The F-35 is a fine fighter, but we don't need any.
>>76483296
>jets still dogfight
>the current year
I know you don't really have a military, but come on Japan.
>>76483296
>The F-35 is a flying turd that can barely maneuver.
>yfw it can outfly an Su-35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSC_05hG2P0
>>76470379
what about its single engine which can potentially be prone to failure in arctic climates leading to a <insert a large number> loss given there is no secondary engine preventing this?
>>76483186
>tfw were making and selling 15billion worth of military stuff to Saudis of all people
>>76481647
I can't find anything on the F-35's fuel consumption with afterburners but the F-16's fuel consumption under that scenario is around what you're saying so it's possible. Of course 1200 mph probably isn't full afterburner for the F-35 and max range isn't measured at sea level so I highly doubt the F-35 has sub ten minutes of fuel at that speed in the conditions we were discussing.
>>76466661
>1 post from this ID
Just because we're a meme country now, doesn't mean I won't point out your bullshit shill.
Also, this is true bullshit. Disregard planes, aquire pistols (in 15 years). Trudeau is a literal walking mess. You all thought Jeb was bad... Imagine a mix of Kim Kardashian and half not attractive white guy ever. Bam, fucking Trudeau. He gets way more positive press than deserved compared to what he does.
Three generations from now, Trudeau Jr, will be known for exactly what his father is known for. A fucking pile of debt still being paid off in ways.
>>76483783
The fact that modern engines are extremely reliable, to the point where having 2 engines increases the overall chance of a crash due to non engine factors.
The 'two engines' meme is based on the US navy not wanting to use the F-16, which is flown out of Alaska and Greenland by the way.
>>76466661
>Almost everyone pissing on the F-35
You guys should lurk on /k/ more.
>>76483591
Of course dog fighting is a thing of the past. The 35 is still too heavy with too short a wingspan to be of much use for anything besides the most basic I&W.
Also the vertical takeoff capability is completely useless. Uses too much fuel and doesn't provide any tangible advantage for the Navy.
>>76484300
Japan stop, you have no knowledge of modern aircraft to judge what they can do and it is showing.
>>76484209
But I dont want to see knife collections or what these sillies carry in their pockets everyday
>>76483017
Alright, mate.
God save the Queen!
>>76484429
Okay then armchair strategist, tell me what the 35 does better than the Super Hornet for a carrier air wing.
>>76466661
>Weedman thinks he knows anything about military
>>76484479
If you looked hard enough, you might see a thread about the F-35, and most of the time people who posts in said thread actually know what they are talking about.
>>76484601
Not get chewed up by IADS
Have a longer range without external stores
>>76484601
I'm with the rice burner. They gave the world the Zero and the Gundam. I'm inclined to believe they know their shit.
>>76484601
range
payload
EW
stealth
networking
EOTS/EODAS
airframe life
growth potential
all with comparable maneuverability and speed
>>76484601
Wait, why are we talking about carrier air wings? I thought this was a fucking leaf thread.
>>76484889
The Zero was a piece of shit paper tiger, fuck off
