really
>>76308372
maxe u fink huh
>>76308372
It's impossible to get a job in Seattle unless you are some kind of nu male front end developer. Those guys aren't affected by minimum wage hikes.
Unemployment only measures people actively seeking jobs. After a certain time period, if you drop out of the labor force and do not find a job, you are no longer counted as "unemployed" in the official statistics.The real unemployment rate is far higher than what the government claims. What matters is the labor force participation rate.
>>76308552
Waaat
On the radio we literally have ads "college? College is for suckers come do construction, taking anyone right now decent wages blah blah"
The city is still booming while the rest of the country rots, I see a thousand out of state licence plates every day. Multi family, multi purposeand storage unit structures going up on every corner, 30 cranes on the skyline. Of you can move on 2 feet you can find a job.
It's our openly socialist city council that is taking advantage of this raiding the minimum wage. Those bunch of commies can't kill the growth fast enough.
People in Seattle are considered unemployed if they are working part time at a fucking coffee shop
>>76310905
Aren't*
>>76308372
>reduce money companies have
>unemployment goes down
Can anyone seriously believe this pic?
>>76308372
Have a source for that? Everything I find says you are full of shit.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/19/seattles-15-minimum-wage-jobs-down-unemployment-up-this-isnt-working-is-it/#421319b63712
Between my girlfriend and me, we make $4k a month working minimum wage jobs in Seattle and pay $850 a month in bills. It's fucking great.
>unemployed people move to where work is
>unemployment rate drops
>>76310553
>I see a thousand out of state licence plates every day
How many of these plates are from California? Because that's like every state within it's somewhat immediate radius.
>>76308372
Raising it to $100 and hour should result in -3.8% unemployment, meaning, the unemployed rate of other cities on the west coast should drop. Seattle can become like a black hole, consuming unemployment. Its amazing to think the solution was so simple, just to keep increasing how much people get paid. It's literally trickle-up economics.
>unemployment rates
>indicating anything regarding whether people have jobs
>>76311139
The minimum wage is not even 15 yet. If businesses are hurting now then they probably were going to fail anyways.
>>76308372
Don't believe the lies, I actually live here. Liberal policies are a disaster, the commiefornians came up here and ruined the place. Housing prices are so high it's going to take me ages to save up enough money to leave.
>>76311197
>MY GIRLFRIEND
>>76311835
>blaming minimum wage for housing prices
Blame the amazombies and microsoft's poo-in-loo hordes for that shit.
>>76311197
How much do you spend a month on her son?
>>76308372
Isn't Seattle in Canada? Isn't that a socialist hellhole?
>>76311197
850$ a month, literally how?
>>76311139
if you type it into google its at 3.3% now actually
>>76308372
>implying that minimum wage has anything to do with unemployment in this case
>>76310553
A bunch but equal amount Texas, which doesn't make sense to me as much because where as California's in the shitter, Texas is doing great and is having actual real growth.
The other half are North, like Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota.
>>76311197
Where do you rent? Because that's my screaming deal rent payment, and half everyone else's.
>>76309932
How do you even count people "actively seeking jobs"? Polls?
>>76308552
This. I get by doing odd jobs, but barely. I live with four other people and I'm still stuck between either paying rent or being able to eat more than once a day.
Really? The local media is reporting the local economy is fucked and several thousand jobs evaporated from this. Does this account for the literal tent cities of heroin addicts on every block?
Where did these hocus pocus numbers come from because they're bullshit. Ever since they got that socialist cunt on the city council everything has gone to shit.
>>76308552
/pol/ will have no end of unsubstantiated arguments against raising the minimum wage.
the entire country of australia is not made up of front end developers.
>>76313596
>that socialist cunt on the city council
You're talking about Kshama, right? Because you basically just described most of them.
Reality check:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/24/seattle-sees-unexpected-fallout-from-15-per-hour-min-wage/
The Bureau of Labor Statistics does show that there are nearly 92 million Americans out of the workforce.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/14/more-and-more-americans-are-outside-the-labor-force-entirely-who-are-they/
US population : 323 million
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/
Liberal math : 5% unemployment (((COMPLETELY HONEST)))
>>76312418
3.8 actually. Your Google must be broke.
https://ycharts.com/indicators/seattle_wa_unemployment_rate
>>76308372
I'm starting to see a pattern here
>>76313927
This picture is spot on.
>>76311835
no, that's what happens when cities ban low income housing from being built.
>>76314048
>minnesota raises taxes on the rich
>wow, now there's more money
>>76308372
>everyone leaves
>LOL UNEMPLOYMENT DOWN POL BTFO
Now all we're missing is that autistic Canadian with the fake Obongo recovery charts
>>76308372
You're retarded if you think raising minimum wage has that quick of an effect on unemployment rates. Likely unemployment is going to get higher instead of lower. That percentage is that before the raise, post proofs they raised the pay rate?
This good news comes with a big caveat. The data are for the Seattle-Bellevue-Everett metropolitan division. They aren’t broken out for the city.
Also, we have a ways to gobefore the wage really hits $15. The largest employers must pay it beginning in 2017; smaller companies may have until 2021.
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/economy/is-seattles-minimum-wage-killing-jobs/
Really made me think.
>>76314048
Government policy has actually very little impact on the economy at that level.
>>76314401
if policy has no impact why do we need a free market?
>>76314277
>higher wages cause people to move away from the area
Among the many studies supporting this conclusion isonecompleted earlier this year by Texas A&M’s Jonathan Meer and MIT’s Jeremy West, which reaffirmed that “the minimum wage reduces job growth over a period of several years” and that “industries that tend to have a higher concentration of low-wage jobs show more deleterious effects on job growth from higher minimum wages.”
The broader research confirms this. An extensive survey of decades of minimum-wage research, published by William Wascher of the Federal Reserve Board and me in a 2008 book titled “Minimum Wages,” generally found a 1% or 2% reduction for teenage or very low-skill employment for each 10% minimum-wage increase.
That has long been the view of most economists, although there are some outliers. In 1994 two Princeton economists, David Card (now at Berkeley) and Alan Krueger, published astudyof changes in employment in fast-food restaurants in New Jersey and Pennsylvania after the minimum wage went up in New Jersey. The study not only failed to find employment losses in New Jersey, it reported sharp employment gains. The study has been widely cited by proponents of a higher minimum wage, even though further scrutiny showed that it was flawed. My work with William Wascher showed that the survey data collected were so inaccurate that they badly skewed the study’s findings.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-evidence-is-piling-up-that-higher-minimum-wages-kill-jobs-1450220824
>>76314515
>less jobs cause people to move into an area
>>76311128
Makes perfect sense.
>Want to avoid paying workers any more than I have to
>Any non-vital workers become part time
>Hire new people to pick up the slack
>Unemployment rate goes down
>>76314515
>>76314606
>higher wages and more jobs are coming when you vote for bernie
>>76314714
Part time workers aren't exempt from the wage hike. Please try again.
>>76314714
>hire new people
>to reduce costs
You're a fucking retard.
>>76314837
Don't want to risk them working overtime, plus you don't have to give healthcare to part time workers. Still decreases costs.
>>76313261
Whichever way fits the gov't's agenda, senpai
>>76314947
The introductory costs of training and acquiring new hires is only paid off, typically, within a year and a half. Part time work has a high turnover rate.
>>76314837
Why don't you address
>>76314375
You economically illiterate liberal?
>>76315132
>The introductory costs of training and acquiring new hires is only paid off, typically, within a year and a half.
Not for extremely unskilled labour. It takes a few hours to actively train someone to work in a Starbucks. Anything they don't learn day 1 will be picked up over time.
>>76308372
>the 15 dollar an hour doesn't even start till 2017
>liberals in charge of intellectual honesty
>>76311981
this, it's fucking supply and demand at its core
>>76315344
>Liberals in charge of Intellectual anything
>>76311981
and not just indians, but the god damn chinese.
I see a lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread.
Black or African American: 7.9%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 9.0%
Whites ~70%
it doesn't surprise me that incentives to work will positively impact the employment rate.
Granted this whole "decrease demand for labor equaling less people (((unemployed)))" makes no economic sense. Hey but I've been wrong before maybe supply and demand isn't as much a commandment as previously thought.
and yes the (((unemployment))) statistic is very Jewish.
>>76315696
>>76315344
>the 15 dollar an hour doesn't even start till 2017
oh shit I take back my extremely cucked post
>>76309932
Seattle also has a massive homeless population. The Jungle, which housed about 400 homeless people living in a tent city just outside Seattle, just got closed this year.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle_(Seattle)
>>76308372
fake and extremely homosexual . washington states minimum wage is $9.47 a hour they actually lowered it from $12. the space needle is trademark seattle
go ahead google washington state minimum wage
>>76315800
yep, it's currently 11.50/hr for small companies (employee count less than 500), and I believe $13/hr for employers with 500+ employees.
A lot of conjecture and aspie arguing in this thread
>>76313308
Tyler is that you?
>>76315937
Business groups across the country have been spreading propaganda about it since the change was announced a year ago. It's getting ridiculous at this point.
>>76315823
Yes, we really do. Something about northwest cities (Seattle and Portland especially) that makes it attractive to them. Lax policing, abundance of homeless shelters/resources, and mild weather is equivalent to a neon sign welcoming in the crust punks and street-garbage from across the nation.
What Seattle needs is less of its bleeding-heart liberal bullshit, and more of the heavy handed tactics employed in cities like NYC, where businesses had an outcry over the abundance of homeless on their streets, and suddenly the police are handing out tickets to peddlers and aggresively discourging homeless. As a result, in 2 years the streets of NYC largely cleaned up (or so I've read), and the problem is greatly diminished.
Then you have places like Portland, where the mayor has allowed for open-air camping on street corners and sidewalks, the police are very (((((((compassionate)))))), and as a result there are LITERALLY fucking 50 homeless on every street corner in downtown.
>>76315318
>not for extremely unskilled labor
Yes, it is. Companies in the service and fast food industry have labor as their highest cost.
>>76316363
California has been shipping them up to us for a while now. God I fucking hate that state.
Seattleite here, that's bullshit. $15 is being done in increments over 5-7 years. We wont know how it really turns out for quite some time. It is an extremely expensive city to live in though but raising minimum wage is not the fucking answer.
>>76315696
people who have given up looking for jobs are not counted in the unemployment rate
>>76316734
Attempting to control prices doesn't work. Raising the minimum wage is the only thing that helps poorfags without harming yuppie programmers and the businesses that employ them.
>>76316734
not sure if you got the memo its not happening. some tried to count what happened last year as a false start and you will have a $9.47 minimum wage for many years unless there is a federal adjustment higher than that
most of the references to the project to raise minimum wage go back a couple years and googles data not links to the data but 1st result verified by google is 9.47 and the .wa.gov says it as well
they scrapped wage increases when the servers started getting moved to the midwest. without that little bit of tech industry its just restaurants and clothing stores
>>76313261
Bureau of labor statistics has offices that conduct surveys on random households.
