ITT: We prove God exists without using memes or shitposts.
>Reality itself exists
>>76296050
>the universe either has existed forever, does not exist, or came into existance
>the universe exists
>the universe has not existed forever
>the universe could not have created itself
I fucked Jesus Christ in the ass hole
>>76296050
>The concept of god exists
>therefor god exists
>could not have evolved
>>76296230
And god could not have created himself, either.
>>76296230
That suggests external creation, but doesn't prove that the personality known as god created the universe. It's just as likely that the universe was created in a 'bounce' from an older universe collapsing.
>>76296251
I'm still drinking Jesus' cum.
A universe this fucking terrible could only have been planned.
>>76296451
The concept of unicorns also exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVm8RokoBA
If God ain't real, how come we're talking about Him?
Checkmate, atheists.
>>76296639
If you weren't a raging faggot, how come I'm talking about you being a raging faggot?
Checkmate faggot.
>>76296050
just look around he is everywhere
>>76296603
Unicorns are creators?
le aquinas face
>>76296050
every God/Goddess has been said to be responsible for reality
>>76296639
>>76296050
>that which moves without being moved
>>76296619
HAHAHAHAHAH
OH MY FUCKING GOD, ANYONE WHO DOESNT SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SHIT IS A FUCKING MORON
1.You can put anything outside. Unicorns, Harry Potter, Spongebob
2.Nothing can be outside of time, or it doesn't exist. If i have something for 0s 0m 0h I never fucking had it
3.It """proves""" that there is a god, but not a personal one.
And many fucking more, just too lazy to type
If you are going to make a serious attempt at proving that God exists, you have to first be able to identify the nature of the proof.
There are many different kinds of ways to prove theorems in mathematics. What does a satisfactory proof look like in terms of theology?
Keep in mind that God has primarily been conceived as an infinite will, with divine qualitiies such as omnipotence, omnisciencs, etc. Fundamentally, you are attempting to prove that this kind of mind exists. How do you do that?
Can you even prove that your own mind exists?
"WHO BUILT THE MOON? "
CHRISTOPHER KNIGHT
>>76296496
Then you fall into a trap of an unending series of events where it would be impossible to have a "present moment". There HAS to be a First Cause that set everything in motion.
>>76296994
Good philosophy, canadafag.
>>76296803
He's in my butthole and ball sack. Praise be my shit and cum.
>>76296603
And your point is?
>>76296619
If the laws of nature predated the universe, what has predated the laws of nature? Where did god come from? what created him?
This video is just another variant of the common: "They universe couldn't have been created out of nothing" thing.
>>76296757
>If you weren't a raging faggot, how come I'm talking about you being a raging faggot?
Because you're a homophobe..?
Humble rational Christians: 2
Atheists: 0
>>76296825
Yes. We're not debating *which* God is true because that is irrelevant. What we're trying to prove is that an actual Creator exists.
>>76296490
Why did He have to? God is assumed to be am external and eternal driving creator and force. He, unlike the observable universe, doesnt decay or have a discernable beginning.
>>76296496
Is your implication an infinite cycle of "bouncing" universes?
Kek
>>76296230
>The universe could not have created itself
>Therefore if you have sex before marrige your dick will fall off
Idiots god doesnt exist THATS WHY IT IS SO FUCKING POWERFUL
just like pepe doesnt exist but he influences the world
>>76296251
I believe!
>>76296050
He does exist. His name is Odin and he will smite the Christ God (^:
>>76297196
Your claiming god exists because the universe couldn't have been created out of nothing. If the universe needs a creator, why won't god need one as well?
>>76296994
>can you even prove that your own mind exists?
Canadians cant descartes
>>76297194
>Humble rational Christians
Kek, go kill yourself you delusional fuck.
>>76296994
At school we learned about different proofs, some good models are Descartes, Aquinas, and the like. Not saying they prove anything but it's an idea of how theology uses proofs.
>>76297318
Because if God needed a Creator, then He wouldn't be God.
>>76297271
>pepe doesn't exist
fucking normitic
>>76296994
You do it by stating that creation is in itself a proof
>all the good in the universe
Who else worships the old Gods?
>>76297388
The Mother of God disagrees.
>>76297318
>If the universe needs a creator, why won't god need one as well?
The universe is made of contingent material, God is immaterial.
>>76297468
Huh, really makes you think...
>>76297430
Cucks, faggots and feminists mainly.
>>76297388
Kek god was created and designed by humans that's why he looks so much like us and that's why in the old testament he acts like a human. Checkmate.
Atheists: 1
Christians: -1
>>76296994
Answer: No
Scientifically all of our results are only viewed from within a manifestation of the senses interpretated within the brain.
>>76296490
He was created by super-god
>>76296230
>the universe has not existed forever
How do you know?
>inb4 big bang
That's the known universe. There could have been, and most likely was something before,if you could call it "before".
>the universe could not have created itself
And why not? Because it violates causality? How do you know causality existed before time existed?
>>76297484
Can you prove the immaterial for us then.
Where is it?
>>76297484
And you, of course, have proof that god is immaterial, rite?
>>76297318
Because thats not what "God" means. The term refers to an immeasurable and immaterial will. It, or He, does not function from a physical location and does not follow physical rules.
>>76297246
We are only talking about God as creator, not a specific faith system, son of abe
>the snowflakes are chaos following order
>symmetry exists
This is more than proof
>>76297361
>go kill yourself
?
If I do that, I'll die.
Think before you type.
>>76297527
>why he looks so much like us
You've seen God, have you?
>he acts like a human
He created us in His image, so you've got that statement the wrong way around.
>>76297602
>Image made by a human/computer
>>76297602
That's it.
Now i'm a #JesusFreak
Thanks brazilbro
>>76297421
the western world was a shithole too with horrific events commonplace. in many ways it still is. i believe in god, i do not see how anyone cannot, but also in jesus and christianity because those who have followed him true to the holy word have been rewarded. this is why the west is better now, but ultimately te end of christendom wil also mean the decline of the west. christianity will never die though christendom already has.
>>76296050
>We prove God exists
Scat.
>>76297602
really makes you think
>>76297568
Mathematics.
>>76297068
>there HAS to be a beginning
Why exactly? To make sense in your little simple mind? Off/on start/stop these things have no bearing in a system that CREATES what we percieve as time by rotating.
Time isnt real nigga.
A sophisticated infinite mobious strip loop of holograms within holograms.
>>76296050
Does God need a creator? Then why does the universe? Why does reality?
>>76296050
Prove Poseidon and Jupiter dont exist then.
>Hurrr there is one god who is the best at everything
>>76296050
>Reality itself exists
that only proves the existence of the demiurge, not god. christ, how dumb are you?
>>76297647
>He created us in His image, so you've got that statement the wrong way around.
I said in the old testament, we humans created gods with are imagination that's why most gods look humanoid and no you've got your statement backwards.
>>76297659
>Not made by random chance.
>>76296050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzem7myNcCY
>>76297388
>>76297591
Everything has something that predates it. If god doesn't need something that predates him, then he is something completely out of reality and his existence cannot be proved.
>>76297805
And your point is?
>>76297705
Therefore God is math.
Okay, I'm a #Christfag now
>>76297271
>tfw repeating digits proof kek exists
atheists BTFO
>>76297705
Indeed brother. Let us praise the calculus!
>>76297555
Because of thermodynamics.
Why would something "before" our universe change this argument at all? It is either an infinite loop of universes or a universe that has a start or an end, both of which had to have been caused or designed.
>implying time exists outside of our own conciousness
>>76297865
Here
>>76297888
God is Calculus
>>76297729
Time isn't real, I agree, but that doesn't mean you can have an infinitely long piece of string. Everything has a cause; even matter and energy, and that cause exists externally of our own reality and brought it in by it's own will.
>>76297554
I see where this is going. then there is a SS2 God and a SS3 God and then there is GodGod. Just like in Dragonball
>>76296230
>the universe has not existed forever
Define forever.
Hint: you aren't going to find the answer to the worlds most vexing philosophical problems on /pol/ you idiots.
>>76297756
Because the universe is a creation. That's like saying if a program can program itself, why does it need an inventor?
>>76296050
>ITT: We prove God exists without using memes or shitposts.
Gödel's ontological proof
>>76297977
!!!!!!!
>>76297826
>implying something has to exist in physical reality to be proven
>>76296251
before or after crucifixion?
>>76297962
>an infinite loop of universes [...] had to have been caused or designed
When?
>mfw theology is too much of a brain hustler for /pol/acks
You can't prove God.
There isn't even any evidence for him.
>>76297962
>Because of thermodynamics
HERE WE FUCKING GO AGAIN
What about thermodynamics?
>>76297962
Remember Hawkins explaining it as a merge of what you wrote. Basically our universe is a bubble in a hot pot. We're not the only universe, but there is an end for us
>>76297977
>>76298144
Prove God doesn't exist then
>>76298144
Just the universe He made.
>>76298099
That's not what I said.
Something doesn't need to exist in physical form to exist, but it has to be realistic. The god you're describing is not realistic.
>>76297196
The universe could also be some eternal driving creator itself, but it resides in our plane of existence
>>76298218
Prove there are no Unicorns.
>>76298218
proof tooth fairy doesnt exist
>>76297977
What use is this information that god is calculus again?
>>76298116
What do you mean when? The creation of a universe or loop of universes does not happen at a time because time does not exist in the absence of a universe.
>>76298218
You can't do that either. Just like with any other magical creature.
But we don't have tons of people going around claiming that unicorns exist or flying spaghetti monsters exist. It is because you can't prove or disprove it that the only sensible position is a disbelief unless evidence is presented
>>76298248
Well you can't know he made it unless you first assume he exists, which means you're fucking wrong
>>76297998
Everything isn't bound by cause and effect, see: hysteresis. A piece of string can be infinitely long, because the string is part of the mobius strip. No beginning, no end, everything is infinitly looping.
>>76297962
>because of thermodynamics.
TIME didn't exist as we know it. TIME. Maybe even space, but that's beside the point.
>why does something before our universe change this argument at all?
Because what existed there is essentially infinity,meaning it could be literally anything. A consciousness, a force, a magic fish, 2 wheat crackers and a tire iron. Literally anything, because cause and effect are meaningless.
>It is either an infinite loop of universes
And what if it is? It didn't have to be created,, it could always have been there. Or it could not be. No one knows.
>Or the universe has a start or an end. Even if they do, this doesn't tell us who, what or why, or even when, if it applies.
>>76298293
Proving that that which could possibly exist does not exist is not the same as proving that that which cannot exist does not exist
>>76298076
>The universe is a creation
According to whom?
>>76297998
Those are physical, 3D phenomena. God is of infinite dimensions, infinite will, and infinite Love.
>>76298293
>Prove there are no Unicorns.
Prove there are Unicorns.
>>76298336
>proof tooth fairy doesnt exist
prove tooth fairy exist
>>76297421
These people exist to test our faith and our kindness towards the Other.
It's easy to whine "How can God be real if there's so much misery in the world?".
But you don't really care, do you?
I mean... you're not helping, are you?
Atheists would have that boy killed to "end his misery". Truth is atheists see him as a burden and don't want to be reminded of how terrible reality is, so you avoid those images at all costs.
Who is helping those poor kids in India and Africa?
Hint: it ain't atheists, who are mainly motivated by greed and conformism.
It's the Christians who are out there, helping that kid, helping his family and bringing them the Word and the love of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You go preach to that kid about Darwin and how he was born like that "just because he had bad luck" and not because he has a higher purpose in life. And that purpose is to allow us to feel blessed about our ownselves, while maintaining the integrity to help others who weren't as "lucky" (ie. you and me). Although I do my share to help. Can you say the same?
>>76298430
what sustains the universe though? and whats the point in going through infinte loops?
>>76297318
Because special-pleading.
>>76298354
By multiplying it by zero, of course.
>>76298466
Oh boy oh boy please be bait
They meant to say that the burden of proof is on you.
>>76296050
>ITT: We prove God exists
>thread is full of "I think that..." and "I believe that..."
Welcome to /pol/.
>>76297568
>>76297574
That attribute is derived from what is required for the creator to be the first cause.
Otherwise that creator would need another creator, and if that creator isn't immaterial, then it would need a creator too and so forth and if there are no immaterial creators, you have an incoherent infinite regress.
>>76298161
If the universe has existed 'forever' there would no longer be any available energy. In any closed system, a process proceeds in a direction such that the unavailable energy (the entropy) increases.
This universe does not recycle itself.
>>76296050
God is real but He does not exist in the sense we can conceive.
If you use the term 'reality' to mean the totality of all there is then it does not exist. The totality would include both the conceivable (existence) and the inconceivable (transcendent).
It's impossible to think non-dualistically and conceive of that which transcends existence (i.e, God). It is easy to see that the transcendent is absolutely real, but atheists will deny that the transcendent possesses the characteristics of His creation (love, justice, intelligence). They would believe that He is an it and is nothing but some form of blind indifferent causality -- even when every aspect of our day-to-day lives refute that.
You cannot know the reality of God through an autistic logical proof. Have faith and He will reveal Himself to you.
>>76298466
>>76298475
why is portugal so religious?
>>76298453
And infinite poop.
>>76298466
Kek you can't even answer the questions so what you do instead is ask the opposite question back. How pathetic.
>>76298548
The result of that will please a lot of nihilists
>>76298365
If there's an infinite loop of universes there can never have been a time t=0 at which the first one was caused or designed, because no first universe exists. Thus it could not possibly be caused or designed
>>76298527
>special-pleading
Right.
If there's nothing in reality that can chance your belief, than your belief is not based on reality.
>>76296050
>reality itself exists
cancer
>>76298354
Everything calculus deals with is rate of change over time. Time is created by measuring rate of change in our solar system. Our solar system is intellegently desgined, for simple fucks, just watch a perfect eclipse and guess the odds of that happening, go on.
Thus the creation of time itself to use in calculus was determined by using calculus to study motion.
Calculus = KEK, God of all that is.
>>76298251
define "realistic"
You fall into your own fucking trap
Just because we can say something doesn't exist using our own measurement systems doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And since faith is the only "requirement" God imposes on people, it's only logical that such a creator won't reveal himself in a form which can be measured, or at least he would but only after we can determine all those """physical properties""" of him.
>>76298106
I did it during the crucifixion.
>>76298475
So the kid over in Sudan who is getting raped and murdered right now exists to test your kindness? But you've never even met him. What's his purpose?
>>76296050
>we prove god exist
good luck
>>76298453
>God is of infinite dimensions, infinite will, and infinite Love.
proof to me that infinity exists. you can have only so many possible combinations of sub particles and particles before it starts repeating itself
>>76298697
Let's put this a different way.
What distinguishes your God or any other from imagination?
>>76298697
>New testament
Old testament was better made god a real person.
>>76296050
before we get too far, let me stop all the autists where they are.
When most people say "God" they aren't thinking of "bearded white man in the sky" just so you know
let me explain it to you autists in language you can understand.
when most people say "God" they mean "The Force"
The more you try to adhere, the further away from truth you get. Dictation is the opposition to freedom. Direct experience is reality, constructs are not. Watch a star die, look into the water of your tub with the lights off in silence, dream, know. God and all your efforts to figure out the concept are man made.
>>76298653
All for Naught!
>>76298697
>Just because we can say something doesn't exist using our own measurement systems doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Does that include unicorns? COOL :^D
>>76298218
burden of proof lies with the person making the claim that god exists.
if that were not the case, then it is a fact, which you must believe, that i have been abducted by ayy lmaos until you can prove I wasn't.
also our current legal system might as well be "guilty until proven innocent."
>>76296577
The universe could have been made pure white, with floating memes and laughter. Everyone is always happy and they can't even shake it off. Chocolate rivers flow through the air and gravity is easily manipulable. Women have an intense desire to fuck men and people can't physically become fat. Drugs don't work and heroin only tickles you from the inside.
A universe this shit was definitely planned.
>>76298611
>why is portugal so religious?
because we're poor
see religion correlation with poverty
>>76296050
If a creative force exists, it is most certainly not bound by such petty things as emotion. Therefore all religion is dead wrong
>>76298518
Our thoughts.
The goal of our body is determined by our genes, usually reproduction is in there.
The goal of our soul is to simply experience everything.
Imagine you were God.
Nothing to do... but jump into little souls that you have created and sandbox game the universe chasing infinite wisdom.
>anyone EVER making objective remarks about God, i.e. if it's immaterial, where it exists, if it exists, how it exists, what it thinks, etc.
Stop, all of you.
>>76298821
>lets worship a dumb force which organizes universe by trial and error
top fucking kek mate, top fucking kek
if get doubles, got exists
>>76298697
You're half-right about the beginning of your post.
The existence of god cannot be proven and also the other way around.
However, I can't take that "God is beyond logic and reality" thing. It makes no sense.
>>76298653
You know that when you multiply 0 by anything you get 0
So all that will prove is that god does not exist
Do your math, numbskull
>>76298692
So every scientist into time and space are really continuing to calculate god's handywork. fascinating, but to what end?
>>76298892
No, you're poor because you're religious, not the other way around
At least i think, not supported by any study.
>>76296050
God is the light in the center of our galaxy.
It's a form of hyper-dense plasma that (in accordance to electric universe hypothesis) has a kind of intelligence we can't comprehend, but can 'feel'.
>>76298672
>implying a God creator functions under the rule of time.
>>76298955
/thread
>>76298788
The new testament is a continuation of the old testament, you fucking heretic.
>>76298955
>>76299056
Just kidding.
>>76298955
>>76299018
>No, you're poor because you're religious, not the other way around
hmmm this really made me think. interesting.
so if i stop being religious, i get rich all of the sudden?
kys
>>76299043
The center of the galaxy is a black hole
>>76298611
Because both my great-grandparents witnessed the events at Fatima.
My great-grandfather died an "atheist" because he lots two baby daughters in a flood.
He witnessed the miracles, never denied them but he said God is unnecessary cruel. He was also a drunk and an anti-semite.
My great-grandmother on the other hand became more devote after the loss of her daughters as her husband kept drinking more and more, always praying to the Mother of God and going to Church.
I hope my great-grandfather asked for forgiveness in his deathbed because the idea of him in Hell tortures me. He was a good man who loved his family. He just let the rage take over him.
>>76296050
By now I'm pretty sure WE are the artificial intelligence created by higher species and put into 'our' universe/simulation for testing purposes.
Our brain is nothing else than a machine reacting and interpreting stimuli from the outside.
When we 'die', it's like switching off a light bulb. There's no heaven, there's no hell. We're actually robots.
>>76299144
>Because both my great-grandparents witnessed the events at Fatima.
sure
>>76299106
fuck off namefag
Empirical observable evidence shows us all man made concepts of God are pure fiction. You have personal belief, that is it. There is no argument. Some people will use reality to form their view of the subjective, some people will be retarded and view it as white light and magic unicorns. The deluded fools out of touch with reality are people I don't respect. They claim lies for truth, when it's subjective belief.
>>76299140
It's a binary system. A black hole is one part, the other part is the light plasma.
Check it out.
>>76299092
>The new testament is a continuation of the old testament
Ehhh still makes god look like a cliche ruler. Again I prefer the old testament. The New Testament is just a big edit to the old and makes god look so much more cliche.
dang man this thread is rly making me th1nk haha
>>76298965
>what are nihilists
>>76299191
You first, anon.
>>76298597
But still, you are starting off with a point that there is a God.
>God must be immaterial because he can't exist otherwise.
>>76298788
The New Testament LITERALLY made God a person you fucking idiot
>>76299048
>God creates Earth in 7 days
>Rises from the dead in 3 days
>"But he's not in time doe."
Stop.
>>76299278
>What is 0?
>>76299211
That was just a hypothesis, i dont think it has been observed yet.
>>76296230
>>the universe exists
good try christfag.
>>76299043
Please continue, you have my fucking attention.
>>76299326
0 is not a number
Its not us you should be proving it too, its the scientists. If you have evidence, please, write a paper and turn it in. You'd be a millionaire.
>>76299406
And god is not real.
>>76299048
Prove that he doesnt, you are just bending the idea of God to fit your needs.
Everything that exists must exist in our time.
If something exists for 0s 0m 0h, it never existed.
>>76299383
nao it begins
>>76299456
Prove it
>>76297658
kek underrated
The one thing that interests me more than existence of God is:
How the fuck do random numbers get generated. There is no fucking way to generate random numbers programmatically (using math).
So, the related question is, do we even have fee will? Or are we just watching a 3d immersive movie?
>>76299048
>implying a God creator functions
For God's sake
Who has the gift from little to huge?The one who goes front quantum to behind the super cluster , it proves we ate living in a physical mind.
The structure of the universe is literally a neural network.
>>76299324
Why are people assuming that God refers to the Old Testament God? Butthurt fedoras cant conceive of a Creator figure that they cant assault through memeing? Are you aware that the philosophical concept of a Creator and the religious and cultural concept of the Almighty are not the same?
>>76299473
No...now it ends.
>>76296230
>the universe has not existed forever
>the universe could not have created itself
Not an argument.
>>76297068
>There HAS to be a First Cause that set everything in motion.
The law of parsimony suggests the least likely cause is a bearded, white-robed sky-man with unlimited power.
>>76299383
Check out "Symbols of an Alien Sky" and the whole Electric Universe hypothesis for more info.
Basically, light can have a kind of frequency that makes it both material and immaterial (plasma) and that kind of plasma can sustain itself (somehow, I can't really remember) and that's your materia prima.
>>76299361
>It's just a hypothesis
So is everything else.
>>76296050
>tell Noah floods gonna flood
>he does his best to gather all the animals
>unicorns refuse to get on boat
>all the compliant animals live still today
>unicorns have evolved into narwhals
Atheists btfo
>>76299406
>0 is not a number
One of the most stupidest things I ever heard.
>>76299307
Well then I'll stop harassing then about god.
>>76299505
Of the 2 of us, only you care. So it's your job.
>>76299157
>brain in a vat autist
get a life faggot but to be fair i wouldn't expect anything different from a slav
>>76299506
its only underrated if you havent seen it millions of times before.
someone literally posts this in every thread discussing god and religions
>>76299633
i don't care though
>>76299556
This. If you study networks you will see that literally everything is a network.
For example, river networks, no matter how and where they are formed, all take a similar network formation.
All of Genesis was stolen from mankind's first known creation myth. In it, God was Primal Chaos and Darkness, the only thing eternal and able to self create. It took the form of a Dragon named Tiamat, Light and order where her son, and demanded man worship him and be slaves, the dragon dissolved itself into everything; sleeping, so that entropy would allow free will, the result is death. It's of course myth. Source below, The Enûma Eliš is our first ever know creation myth, and the origin from which all faiths come. Including Zoroastrianism, even still, age of myth does not dictate fact. http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htm
>>76299530
>The one thing that interests me more than existence of God is:
Implying we don't know the answer to his """existance"""
>How the fuck do random numbers get generated.
Define random. Also, do you mean in nature, or on computers(random.org)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rIy0xY99a0
>Do we have free will
We don't know.
>>76299530
>How the fuck do random numbers get generated
Random is another word for "unknown". Obviously if you're using a known process, you aren't going to get a random number.
It has to be an unknown process that we therefore can't predict. With this in mind, it's obvious why you can't write a mathematical algorithm to give you a random number.
>>76299626
I think the irony is lost on this one.
>>76299729
God doesn't exist.
>>76299188
Dude, I'm a Catholic who "specializes" in debunking Catholic hoaxs, like the wax statues or "Emile Zola converted to Catholism!".
I hate lies with a passion you can't conceive in your head.
If you don't believe the miracles, that's on you. Lots of people don't, even so called "Catholics".
But my great-grandpas were there. It was a BIG THING in Portugal at the time, even the Anti-Clerical Republicans and the skeptic reporters who were there to mock the event said the miracle occurred, that "the sun danced".
It could have been a natural occurrence, a lucky coincidence. Think of all the prophecies who never came to be, this could have very well been another one, forgotten by now.
But it happened. On the exact date and time the prophecy foretold.
>>76299827
Your mom and sister don't have free will when I show them my cock. They are my sexual slaves.
>>76299610
>So is everything else.
What do you mean?
>>76299557
Fuck off you cherry picking faggot. God's not real. Deal with it
>>76296230
>>76297196
>>76297962
I'm sick of this faggot argument.
>Muh eternity
Nothing needs to be eternal, neither the universe nor god. We just want to appoint something as "eternal" because we can't pinpoint a start without a reason. That's the only reason people still believe in god even today.
But guess what, faggots? Nature might me much more complex than just starting from something "eternal". So both "universe eternal" fags and "god eternal" fags should just shut up because that is not an argument. Stick to your beliefs and stop trying to use baseless reasoning regarding a concept that no one understand.
Not only that but if you want to use the typical definition the concept of "eternal", which usually represents something that has existed forever, then you need to look at if that "eternity" argument even works for the big bang. If you're going to start using thermodynamics arguments then remember that physics also says that TIME ITSELF BEGAN with the big bang. Poof, there goes your definition of eternal.
>>76299856
Hehe, no kidding!
>>76299236
The old testament established why all of us should be condemned by the Almighty God, the ancient Jewish law was incredibly strict, and they were still out of line with God.
The new testament is God forgiving us of our inherent sinful nature. No longer does he condemn and cast away in fury, because your sins have already been paid for. The same almighty ruler is still there, but he's not breaking you down forever for being such a pretentious faggot
>>76299908
it was real in their minds
>>76298958
Think about acknowledging the existance of something as a power, or a capability which gives you the opportunity to study and surpass somebody/something in size/mass/energy/etc.
Now if you were a scientist to find God the first thing you will do is not repent your sins/etc. , you would simply try to understand how he has that huge power so you could eventually get it aswell.
Now if you understood that and think about creating something smarter than you, you will realise that it's simply impossible.
>>76299852
My digits here are a random number because I don't and cannot know how many have posted before me.
1/3 = .333333...
(1/3) * 3 = 3/3 = 1
(.333333...) * 3 = 1
.999999... = 1
>>76299827
you cant generate true random numbers in computers without external input. they usually use mouse movements of the user to make the numbers semi-random.
so, if the universe is an simulation, we dont have free will (except in the case we were manipulating it from outside of the universe)
>>76300000
Lets see who got it.
>>76300060
>My digits here are a random number because I don't and cannot know how many have posted before me.
No. you can predict your number
>>76299928
>edgy teenager
>mad christ c u c k
>all of the above
Choose one, and choose wisely
>>76299948
Im not taking a moral stance im taking a philosophical logical one. I'm sorry youve lived your life in ignorance.
>>76300068
wow, this proves god beyond a reasonable doubt
i am now #CruzMissile
>>76299931
'Everything else' regards to every other 'proof of God'.
Evolution is a hypothesis, every other 'proof' of God is a hypothesis too.
Since there are no material evidence (at least not that we know) and the idea can't be proven or disproven with our current science, that means it's a hypothesis.
>pic related
Say hi to God fags
>>76296882
really makes you think ... ... ... huh
People are so concerned with knowing the unknowable, they forget to actually live life. Your time here is short. You want true esoteric wisdom? Smile and laugh.
>>76297246
>your dick will fall off
wew
what the fuck do they teach you guys over there?
>>76299643
You completely missed my point, Muhammad.
>>76300247
>God is the light in the center of our galaxy.
how do you know if you never been there?
>>76300135
Predictions are a glorified guess.
I predict Jesus will come to my room and give me a blow job in 12 minutes.
>>76300247
Um, not everything is a hypothesis.
There are lots of theories, like evolution or gravity
We use science because it is the most accurate, reliable and self correcting way of understanding the nature around us.
atheists aren't intelligent enough to see god through the lines and symbols
>>76300233
.999999 =/= 1
That guy is retarded.
>>76296825
>if I call things other names they become different
Almost as bad as SJW being triggered by colored but not by people of color.
>>76300183
>God
>Logical
Explain to me how your special pleading fairy tale is logical
>>76296050
We will at some point be able to program a working universe with intelligent life.
It goes without saying that someone could have done this before.
>>76300505
It does, google it.
(i didn't believe it at first either)
>>76299305
>But still, you are starting off with a point that there is a God.
You are assuming I did. I didn't present the full line of reasoning that leads to the answer I gave to >>76297318.
To get to what I said about God being immaterial, it can be derived from the Kalam Cosmological Argument. The argument concludes that the universe has a cause, which follows that the universe is contingent, and to avoid an infinite regress of causation events by contingent material entities, there has to be a first cause that is not contingent and therefore immaterial.
>>76299043
you know there are many millions of galaxies in the universe right?
>>76300505
>>76300569
Forgot to add, only if it is repeating to infinity 0.99999....
Cogito ergo sum. Consciousness is qualitatively different from matter, and materialistic approaches do not explain how and why consciousness exists, what is it, how to create one and so on
>>76300068
maybe the true mathemathics is vortex based mathemathics.
even jews use this form of their mathemathics as language. maybe they are the chosen people :)
>>76300457
Well, God and evolution are hypothesis'
You can't prove or disprove either, but you can arrange evidence to fit your narrative any way you want.
Anyway, watch the film I mentioned above and try to draw your own conclusions, brother.
>>76300420
Read the rest of the post, fag. You can 'feel' it.
It's light.
>>76300505
say it to my face, anon
>>76300602
Cosmological argument has been disproven time and time again, google it. Too many flaws.
And it doesnt proove a personal god.
>>76300569
.999 x 1 = .999
.999 x 0 = 0
>>76300602
What's wrong with an infinite loop exactly?
>>76300525
Creation of the universe isnt a religious/cultural question. Its a philosophical one. Using memes like fairytale and skydaddy are not arguments and not relevant. Before you act like you know anything about either side of the argument you need to get your head out of your ass. Hope you have a good freshman year.
>>76300621
Milions? wew lad
More like billions
>>76300886
>many millions
>>76300621
Yes, I know. I'm not saying it's a perfect theory.
Think of it as a galactic checkpoint for God. Every galaxy that has the intelligent light plasma, has God in it.
>>76300743
Okay, you're a retard.
The guy claiming god is light in the center of our single of many lonely galaxies, has utterly no clue what he's talking about. People like this also claim the earth is flat using pseudo science. They typically believe in combined consciousness after death and use thermodynamics to try and prove their point without even understanding what entropy is.
>>76300423
>Predictions are a glorified guess.
>I predict Jesus will come to my room and give me a blow job in 12 minutes.
Yes, but the odds that the guess is right is what makes something random or not.
>>76301026
see
>>76301001
Also, I'm not a flat earther, and I do know what entropy means, which is why I think Darwin's theory of evolution is factually wrong.
>>76299957
if the statement "everything that begins to exist has a cause" is true, then you NEED an eternal being logically. You need the uncaused cause otherwise you have an infinite regression regardless of the big bang or thermodynamics.
Using Scientific Method:
-If you cannot prove something exists, you must assume it does not.
-Cogito Ergo sum - if you think, you exist.
The contrast to this, is that you can't prove that something else exists as long as it isn't thinking for you. You cannot prove that anything else is concious.
-Anything that isn't you cannot prove to you that it exists
-This means implicitly that you are the only thing to exist
-Therefore you are everything
It follows that if you love yourself, know yourself and have power over yourself,
-Then you love everything, know everything and have power over everything.
Now, take the case where an entity is capable of proving it exists to you- that is to say it can prove it exists and thus may exist.
-This characteristic is found in omnipotent beings- a god can self-prove its existence.
-Thus, either you are god, or there IS a god.
>>76296050
Who cares?
>>76301086
I'll tell you what happened in 4 minutes.
>>76298955
thank god got exists
