>First "they" called it global warming now "they" call it climate change!
>It was hotter when I was a kid
>Al Gore is lying so he can buy up coastal property really cheap!
>All the scientists are part of a massive government conspiracy because the government wants there to be global warming.
>>76251969
fuck those beach niggers. let em down
>>76251969
one picture is in summer
the other in winter..
>>76251969
The real problem with climate change is the fact that it is encouraging shitskin migration into developed (white) nations. Of course that can easily be solved by building walls and prohibited them from becoming citizens. There is no need to restrict our use of fossil fuels.
There is climate change, but it isn't caused by humans. The Earth has natural cycles that shift its weather conditions.
here in BC we used to always get bunch of weeks of snow, and it would be on the ground forever, now we get a couple of days with snow on the ground and that's it.
>>76252052
Actually the picture on the left was two days ago. The picture on the right was yesterday.
There wasn't even a storm, just a tidal surge and rain.
>>76252138
>Not caused by humans
So i guess all those forests we clear and all that carbon we burn doesn't have an effect?
A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”
Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)
Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”
In 1988, a former Canadian Minister of the Environment told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”
Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France said: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#1a566c5076fb
>>76252298
Correct.
>>76251969
Then instead of studying for a BA in gender-induced pan-racial interpretive rain dancing, study engineering and physics and invent a viable alternative energy source. And stop gaslighting the public about nuclear energy.
>>76251969
> what are tides
>>76251969
what am I looking that? years apart or recent?
>baww storm surges
>help us white people
>>76252395
This image is actually shopped, It was in a high school geography text book, it was about how our coast will be underwater in a few years, this was pushed really hard. Still hasn't happened lol.
>>76252089
Climate change isn't a real thing you dolt. Shitskins come here bc the west has turned into a toothless money cow filled with whores that is ripe for conquest.
>>76252303
I think it's used as a way to keep the poor countries poor. They can't do what we did in terms of industrialization.
>>76251969
Beach erosion has nothing to do with climate.
>>76252273
That's not how any of this works, you stupid fuck.
>>76252298
>trees matter
The majority of the oxygen in our atmosphere is created by algae in the ocean
>>76251969
Wow. Maybe they should build a wall...
>>76252089
Anon, do you know how massive our Co2 dumping has been? It has not been this massive since the last mass extinction.
We have to stop our co2 emissions, or at least cut back significantly. Our trees and plankton cannot process it all so it stays in our atmosphere. Year after year. It will only get worse.
The worst part is, it's all scientific fact. The greenhouse effect, everything. There is legitimate evidence and observable data that it is 100% fact. Yet, there are still deniers. Too wrapped up in their own world to give a shit.
>>76252638
>all these claims
>no data or sources to back you up
>>76252498
Have you turned on the news today?
>>76252498
rofl. fucking kill yourself, your retarded drop kick idiot loser.
>>76251969
Tide goes in, Tide goes out. You can't explain that.
>>76252703
>on the fucking Internet
Jesus fuck get off of your ass and do it yourself. Go ahead and bitch that I didn't provide it when its as easy to find as you replying to my comment.
>>76252904
if it's so easy then surely you can provide it.
>>76252638
>It has not been this massive since the last mass extinction.
What a bald faced lie. A single volcano puts out more CO2 than all of man's exhaust alone.
>>76252962
Just for you anon. Even has a guy with a nice soothing voice and pictures to keep you interested.
tps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KJhbQIlu4mk
>>76251969
Obvious shoop is obvious. Dem pixels.
The 97% of scientists believe in climate change bullshit was an IRL Australian shitpost.
>“only 41 papers — 0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent,” endorsed what Cook claimed.
Surely the most suspicious “97 percent” study was conducted in 2013 by Australian scientist John Cook — author of the 2011 book Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand and creator of the blog Skeptical Science (subtitle: “Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism.”). In an analysis of 12,000 abstracts, he found “a 97% consensus among papers taking a position on the cause of global warming in the peer-reviewed literature that humans are responsible.” “Among papers taking a position” is a significant qualifier: Only 34 percent of the papers Cook examined expressed any opinion about anthropogenic climate change at all. Since 33 percent appeared to endorse anthropogenic climate change, he divided 33 by 34 and — voilà — 97 percent! When David Legates, a University of Delaware professor who formerly headed the university’s Center for Climatic Research, recreated Cook’s study, he found that “only 41 papers — 0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent,” endorsed what Cook claimed. Several scientists whose papers were included in Cook’s initial sample also protested that they had been misinterpreted. “Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain,” Legates concluded.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97percent-consensus-ian-tuttle
>>76252835
Classic Bill O.
>>76253068
I'm just saying, if you have stuff to cite for your argument, then do it. Don't complain when people ask you to back up your argument. It's just common courtesy to cite sources.
>>76252789
Aww honey, don't you know that water naturally erodes cliffs? It's okay sweetie, you'll learn eventually
>>76252703
> no data, no sources
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=co2+emissions+damaging+environment&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRxJHCyZLNAhVW6WMKHce9CS4QgQMIGjAA
You'd have to be a retard to deny it at this point. What's to gain by it? Do you own an oil company? We have to find better energy sources, it's simple.
>>76252138
Its obviously both humans and earth. Why do niggers think its one or the other? Even if it was space monkeys causing climate change, it doesn't change the fact that we as humans must take steps to remedy it.
>>76252904
>makes a claim
>refuses to provide supporting evidence
So you're stupid, full of shit, and illogical all in one. Are these the massive CO2 emissions you're talking about? Which btw, is a necessary compound in our atmosphere for creating and sustaining life, without which, life would not be possible. Read a book
>>76253068
>le ebin space nigger of science
I hope this is an ironic shitpost.
>>76253027
How does that correlate?
The earth has always had volcanoes erupting, Einstein. For the most part of 3 some odd billion years it's been used to it.
It hasn't however, been exposed to us and our emissions. The co2 stays and we pile it on. It IS higher than ever recorded before anon, and it is our fault.
>>76253095
You do realize that he is still correct right? Of the papers that took a position, most of them agreed that it was caused by humans. You are making us look bad please stop.
>>76251969
>everyone seems to think humans are masters of nature
>global warming isn't dangerous because its harming nature, nature will learn to survive and prosper again, humans are just inherently suicidal
>>76252789
Reminds me of an old testament proverb...something about not building your house on sand. Ah yes, the fool builds his house on sand.
>>76253206
Rare as fuck
Also. How did we take co2 ppm counts in the 1700's? I just don't understand.
>>76251969
It's funny as fuck because they renamed it climate change because idiots didn't get that there are temporary effects of global warming that don't necessarily fit with the title.
Melting ice caps can decrease the temperature of other regions, tides getting taller doesn't really sound like global warming but it is, and mass animal die offs and migrations
>>76251969
Jesus told a parable in which he used a house built on the beach as an example of materialism. We've known for 2,000 years that building your house right next to the ocean is a bad idea, and you expect me to believe that man-made climate change caused your pic related? The only man-made thing that caused that flooding is stupidity.
>>76253237
Why is the ice sheet in Antarctica literally a record levels? Does Co2 Make things cold?
>>76253206
You literally can't provide an exact source just a google page with a bunch of crap that is unrelated? The first study doesn't even support any claims made by you climate alarmists in the least.
>>76253237
Stop trolling, m8.
>>76253337
Because you're an idiot, you can get Co2 emissions from studying ice samples.
Just google co2 from ice samples if you're really fucking retarded
>>76253337
They find air bubbles trapped in ice that they're pretty sure froze in the 1700s. But it's true that the further we go back the less reliable the measurements.
>>76253438
I prove you wrong but you call me a troll. Get the fuck out you people are retarded.
>>76253337
Its in the geological record.
>>76253329
So what is Dubai? A house of card waiting for an earth quake?
>>76253419
Record levels of what? Gains?
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
>>76253504
Ohhhh I see! Because getting the co2 count out of air bubbles trapped in ice for thousands of years is reliable! Because we're using 2 different methods to count there's nothing that could be off by just a fraction of a percent?
>>76253255
>Of the papers that took a position, most of them agreed that it was caused by humans.
41 out of 4014 is most?
Are you a chick?
>>76251969
Heat is just a form of energy, it can easily switch into other forms to cause weird weather patterns like hurricanes.
You could have a very "hot" planet but weather wise it is cold because all that heat energy is temporarily tied up in odd weather phenomena
>>76253428
Because I have better things to do than spoon feed a retard.
Do you deny pollution too? Just gotta keep burning muh oil.
>>76252298
>There wasn't even a storm, just a tidal surge and rain.
fuck off you lying piece of shit
it was the biggest storm in 50 years
>>76251969
when are you going to stop telling this great lie about scientists? theres a large split in them some believe in man made global warming some of them dont
>>76252835
He's right you know.
Fuck will you people open a fucking science text for once
Climate is hard to predict. The fucking weatherman can't even figure out what next week is going to be like
What's easy to predict, however, is the basic scientific principles of what happens when CO2 absorbs light and when oceans absorb concentrations of gases based on partial pressures and all the other bad things that MIGHT contribute to major ecological fucking issues in the future due to the release of once trapped resources
>>76251969
Climate change is an inevitability both for warming and cooling. The issue has always been whether or not humanity has an impact in the process.
>>76253623
It's at the largest size it's ever been
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
>>76251969
Not an argument
>>76251969
dude tide lmao
>>76253095
>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97percent-consensus-ian-tuttle
>Page Not Found
yep good onya mate
>>76253539
This can all be Googled and the evidence points to us being the problem.
Deny it if you want, it's not going to make it go away.
>>76253728
Better things to do than learn the reality or actually learn anything about the claims you're trying to make? Shut the fuck retard you know nothing.
Rich beach bitch have to move
Oh noes what ever should I do? Start walking everywhere and use candles?
>>76253095
I'm not digging deep into this -- you'd just ignore it anyway if I did -- but Legates isn't a good source. He's essentially been bought off by ExxonMobil. Most of the scientists who claim to disbelieve in climate change have been. When all of the prominent scientists you can name who support your position have clear professional conflicts of interest, you have a problem.
He also signed this very scientific statement, pulled from Wikipedia:
>We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception.
So yeah, that's your guy. Excellent. What a great source. Good job.
Yeah, I know this is ad hominem. But I'm not actually trying to address the substance of your post -- like I said, you people always just ignore it when I do -- I'm making an entirely new argument, which is "Fuck David Legates."
>>76253237
BEACH EROSION IS BASIC MATH..
new jersey just put their beaches back. since the hurricane a couple years ago. the company and dude i met doing it were making bank. real estate was skyrocketing. i have pictures, but they had signs that said no pictures and i told based dude, i wouldn't show them. can't risk a bro's job. now a bro on welfare, he's up for grabs.
CO2 levels increase plant live growth. So if you cut down ALLLL THE FUCKING RAINFORRESTS AND FORRESTS THAT EAT THIS SHIT UP, CLEARLY CO2 LEVELS WILL RISE. the world will live even better, guess what...
PLANTS GROW FASTER WITH CO2. you on the other hand don't.
so increasing co2 isn't going to ruin the planet, READ IT AGAIN REDDIT FAG. it will just end humans. possibly animal life..
but everything will keep growing fag. imagine, we are worried co2 is too high.. so we plant tons of trees, and suddenly co2 levels collapse.
FACT, concealed MUH dude WEED BRO grow ops use co2 to increase plant size growth and shorten time frames during flower.
GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX, its all about sun activity and natural cycles.
i'm more worried about hoodlums and thugs, than i am MUH CO2 BRO.
humans are increasing co2 levels by cutting down plant life and burning dead plant life.. but if you plant shit.. numbers will probably offset.
LEMME PUT THIS ALL IN ENGLISH.
GLOBAL CARBON CREDITS ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU RICH. ITS A FUCKING SCAM. TRUMP2016
>>76252638
Look up what happens to plants with a 300, 600, and 1200% increase in co2 without other changes. The co2 ain't so bad, look at the crazy shit pumped in the ocean or the damage chemicals can do to the atmosphere. Regulation needs to be enforced with trade restrictions to get results. We have enough of a comfortable life style to advance science and civilization responsibly. . . But I still want to kill off anyone that can't survive without foreign aid and systematically reduce the population.
Its not like scientists are the fucking oracle, but for fuck sake they deserve more trust than the public gives them
>>76253864
You sound like an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about
>just google it
>I'm right, you're wrong
>no I can't be bothered to provide you with any sources
I already gave you one source that proves you wrong. How many more must I provide before you kill yourself?
People were saying the same shit you said 20 years ago saying DC would be under water, well it isn't. Guess reality proves you wrong yet again.
>>76253864
>I'm not going to do my own research, just accept that I'm right!
>>76253027
This is objectively incorrect and a single minute on Google would show you this.
Every time I hear this claim I laugh, because it's not just wrong, it's so wrong and so obviously wrong that it shows the person spouting it hasn't put an iota of thought into their position.
Guys.
It suppose to be summer. But ita mold cooler.
It has been hot for about a week...then it started to cool off....idk why...but i blame the sun rotation to be lower since earth is flat. When that happens the trees and building burn within reports.
Also i notice chemtrails hidding the sun and turning it red in a specific also it.was weird in the day time.
Not to sure if the waves is gunundersta hudge tide when the sun comes around even closer for a flood and range
If anyone watched nikola tesla then youll understand :)
The sun orbets and put magnetic pressure towardss the water to be pushed in any direction. Sounds silly but its true. Only liquid lose forms can be moved...thats why we have winds
>>76253663
Now i know you're trolling
Climate tards are the fucking worst. Do you propose we nuke Asia to oblivion? Because this shit is getting burnt no matter how much you whine unless you are willing to take that step.
>>76253596
Except Dubai rarely gets rain and the majority of it doesn't touch a body of water.
>>76253926
Fuck you, if I keep you hostage and piss in your mouth, will you need to piss just as often? Since your hydration level is offset by my yellow brew?
Take your 2nd grade education elsewhere fucking pleb
>>76254329
LITTERALLY, we can't have big f250s, but china is litteraly hate fucking the earth.. but we need to cut back.. THE SUN IS MAKING SHIT WARMER, NOT US. co2 helps plant life. FUCKING FACT. i used co2 in medical grow ops, my plants grew 3 times faster. although i wouldn't hang out in the room.
>>76254247
Literally retarded
>>76253596
dubai is done for. fracking just killed those fags. no more free money for the peasants.
>>76252835
The moon
>>76252298
I dunno about Sydney but in QLD the storms of the last few days which were "OMG 6 gorillion mm" were a regular occurance back in the 60's and 70's. The places people are building these days if you knew what it was like back then it's mind boggling. Beaches getting washed away? that's nothing new buddy.
>>76253165
>Aww honey,
we tumblr now?
>>76252556
No. It's agenda 21
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OzoN0IQsTAE
>>76254274
No, tell me.
Do you even know the method they use to measure the co2 concentration in bubbles?
>>76254858
yeah can't be teaching our kids how to be SUSTAINABLE
that'll surely fuck everything up if people learn not to be greedy dumb robot fucks
>>76254329
Well right now we don't have ANY solution for the climate problem, if we can come up with new tech for clean reliable cheap energy then we'll save our asses a lot of pain in the future
Then china can just steal the information like they normally do
>>76254525
Could you be any more transparent in your attempts to avoid taking any kind of responsibility at all?
You wrote that "China is literally hate fucking the Earth," but that "the sun is making shit warmer, not us." So which is it? Humans have no role in it, or humans do but it's mainly China's fault?
And yeah, the failure of most environmentalists to demand responsible behavior from developing countries is inexcusable. The Kyoto Protocol was a travesty precisely because it had no teeth and let the countries that were the worst offenders just keep doing what they wanted.
>>76251969
>All the scientists are part of a massive government conspiracy because the government wants there to be global warming.
You clearly didn't read the study the 97% agreement meme comes from. Studies were cherry picked from 3000+ submissions. Most studies (real scientists) did not make a conclusion. 66% that is. So the board widdled it down to 73 studies or so that said yes. And left one in that said no. That's how you get your 97%
The thousands of studies that did no conclude were simply thrown away.
>>76251969
>what are storm surges
>>76254960
>climate problem
>>76253224
This dumbfuck can't be the only one in this thread who gets it right?
>>76253966
Thats because plants use CO2 in photosynthesis you dolt. This means we simply have to learn how to do photosynthesis too.
>>76253861
>if I pretend not to see it, others will pretend with me
Nah. Not that easy. Fuck off M8.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle
Here's another for good measure.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/
>>76255205
Moron, nothing causes climate change. The climate just changes bc that's what happens on earth whether humans exist or not.
>>76251969
Only a tiny amount of climatologists actually push this nonsense that man is the primary contributor to global warming.
>>76254960
Well in reality you don't need to stop global warming, you just need to stop putting some of the more dangerous chemicals into the air. CO2 isn't really a risk, cities just need to adapt to create more green space.
Usually it's stuff like VOCs, ozone, etc. that create major problems since they cause too many chemical reactions in the atmosphere and create molecules that kill plants and such.
That's why switching from things like coal power plants to gas/oil power plants is huge. Yeah, they both dump pollution into the air, but the CO2 from gas power plants is easy to deal with.
>>76254958
If we teach them to be sustainable, They won't consume! They won't buy "le big american car" They'll buy "Le cheap canadian bike" IT WILL BE ZE DOWNFALL OF CIVILIZATION!
>People bitch endlessly about pollution
>But they get triggered hard and bitch even louder when people suggest nuclear energy as the solution
Why
>>76255536
they think nuclear energy is going to cause fallout in real life
>>76251969
> Keep giving us blank checks to do the same studies over and over again to say climate change is real. Instead of putting that money to changing things. No, just keep giving us money for your political fodder. I'm sure we can convince people fossil fuels are the reason why the ice age happened then warmed up to melt the ice.
>>76255333
>ozone
Please stop posting.
>>76251969
>he doesnt know that global warming exist as a means to fund scientist
pic in OP in a nutshell
>what is high tide
>what is rain
pic related floods 3 times a year covering parts of the road. it's been happening forever. before humans were there.
>>76255305
Retard, the process is nonrandom
>>76251969
>the Earth is supposed to stay the same forever
>just because we put a city somewhere hundreds of years ago means it should stay there forever
they ignore how nuclear is the safest, greenest option available to mankind because some drunken bumpkins in Ukraine let Chernobyl happen (thanks to quality Soviet management) and some jews sabotaged that reactor in Japan
>>76253663
Do you have to work on being retarded or are you that autistic
>>76255536
Lack of facts. Nuclear is scaaary. Plus, if the problem was solved, they couldn't bitch at people who aren't as 'green' as them.
>>76251969
>Buy house 100 metres from the beach.
>Cry when a 1/100 year storm hits in your life time.
>>76253237
Donald Trump will shit on Asian countries stealing our jobs, thus he is the only logical candidate to vote for that will help end global warming.
>>76255305
>The climate just changes bc that's what happens
Great example of the scientific method at work.
>Why/how does X happen?
>It just does
>>76255670
ground level ozone pollution is actually a pretty bad thing. It's one of the main causes of smog.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog
>This kind of visible air pollution is composed of nitrogen oxides, sulfur oxides, ozone, smoke or particulates among others
>>76255903
You claimed ozone killed plants.
>>76255790
Absolutely false. The climate has followed the same pattern for millennia based on the best projections and extrapolations available to us.
>>76253165
Fucking shill
>>76255333
CO2 is a risk, it gets dumped in the ocean as well and absorbs light and turns it into thermal energy
I agree gas is better than coal since it has significantly less sulfur, polycyclic aromatics, and other harmful stuff
>>76254525
Dishonest or ignorant argument, but you make two good points:
1)Individual cutbacks of your gas guzzlers is a drop in the ocean compared to the CO2 China and India are emitting for electricity production. This is a global problem that requires global cooperation to solve.
2)CO2 is good for plants. They evolved when CO2 levels were higher than they are now. They grow faster in high CO2 because there is more of it to turn into sugar for energy.
CO2 is not good for you. It is poisonous in high concentrations.
It also stops heat from radiating out into space, increasing the amount of heat in the oceans and atmosphere.
>>76255273
>Ian Tuttle is a William F. Buckley Jr. Fellow in Political Journalism at the National Review Institute
>Political Journalism
>William F. Buckley
lol
>>76255894
>the scientific method is required to prove weather patterns that have existed for millennia even before humans did, are cause by humans
>>76255894
>why/how does SIDS happen?
>it just does
we don't have all the answers yet my dude
>>76255709
wish I knew why that pic was black. its never like that even when the marsh is dead in winter
>>76255968
>Absolutely false. The climate has followed the same pattern for millennia based on the best projections and extrapolations available to us.
Annnnnnnnnnd every reputable scientist says humans are accelerating the cycle dramatically.
But hey, who do I believe, worldwide temperature records being broken year after year, or some right-wing asshole who thinks fossil fuels are chosen by Jesus?
>>76256057
What are you even talking about? Are you really this uniformed about the topic, or are you merely pretending?
>>76255817
And 3 mile island but i agree on nuclear energy
>>76255963
It does, it's one of the most reactive oxidizing reagents there is. That's why it's used for doing ozonolysis in labs.
It reacts with basically everything and has a pretty short lifespan outside of the troposphere because it is so reactive.
Ozone will straight up kill a human being and you don't even need very high amounts of it either, like low ppm levels of it will kill humans let alone plants.
>>76255809
>Ehhh so what if things change
>Wait, what do you mean human life can't be sustained anymore?
when i was in turkey there was a port for ships, it used to be trade route. now its 2 kilometres from sea. RLY MAKES YOU THINK YOU CANT RIGHT
>>76255846
He thinks the chinese invented it
>>76255980
You seriously don't know?
I live near the beach in southern california, A lot of the beaches have concrete walls to prevent the erosion of the sandstone cliffs. But because there isn't any new sand being created by the eroding cliffs, the sand on the beach washes away into the ocean with nothing being there to replace it. So they actually have to dredge the ocean floor to replace the sand. The cliffs erode naturally fucking retard
>>76255832
I don't see the arguement here. Your statement doesn't prove mine wrong
>>76252298
J man's are responsible for as much CO2 as rainforests are responsible for O2. About 3%.
>>76256190
>implying I'm not pro-resiliancy
>implying man can stop the movement of the entire fucking planetary systems
We adapt or die.
>>76255993
What is your opinion on fission?
>>76251969
Then let's go nuclear.
>>76256066
Please look up what year they use as the "present" for ice core samples.
>>76254673
This. What do they expect building huge houses so close to the ocean? It's almost inevitable that something like this would happen eventually. It seems like any extreme weather event of any nature that happens will be used as confirmation of climate change. I agree that we should be trying to find cleaner alternatives to coal and oil, that's common sense. And we should stop destroying the environment and creating so much rubbish through our rampant consumerism and disposable throwaway culture. Can we get to this point without all the highly exaggerated, apocalyptic scare mongering and ridiculous carbon credit Ponzi schemes?
>>76252024
fpbp
>look at my facebook post and 14 likes, you cant disagree or your crazy!
places with a large collection of buildings actually are sinker faster than the water is rising
why do you think New Orleans is so far below sea level?
>unironically believes turning off his AC will stop climate change
>>76256254
>J man's
Humans. Forgive me, my fingers were injured yesterday and Chrome likes to correct things it has no business in.
>>76256102
>every reputable scientist
Top kek mate. Surely you mean scientists that work for the government?
Notice how no one talks about greenhouse gases and ozone layers anymore? Hmmm, makes you use your brain.
>>76256006
From the skeptical science website, ran by the great Australian scientist John Cook:
>This site was created by John Cook. I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist and web programmer by trade
http://web.archive.org/web/20080213042858/http://www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3
>>76256161
If you're too stupid to understand my posts maybe you should stick to the Ramadan threads or something
>>76256217
No shit water erodes rock but theres a diffrence between a long time period and getting houses swept away from waves caused by tides in seconds
>>76256499
>using an AC
AC is one of the reasons why we're getting fatter as a species.
>>76256254
I forget, by how much has the PPM concentration of CO2 increased the past couple of decades?
>>76255968
1. You are a bad arguer because nonrandom and following the same pattern are not mutually exclusive
2. If you really think that climate follows a pattern undetermined by and exclusive to human activity then surely nuclear winter/autumn is a hoax as well
>>76251969
Lol is that narrabeen?
>>76256595
You seriously think there weren't storms that would cause landslides before humans existed? We literally invented landslides??
>>76256560
Just because you personally don't hear people talking about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>76256536
Scientists that work for the government also study quantum mechanics, is that a conspiracy too, or just the science that you find politically disagreeable?
>>76256621
yeah the people who try to argue that CO2 levels are normal and there's zero risk from them are lying to themselves
they're almost as bad as the people who think temps will follow the CO2 levels parabolically up.
in the past CO2 has been a follower of temp increases
>>76256671
1. Did I make the claim that they were? Stop assuming
2. Remind me when the last global climate altering nuclear winter was?
>>76256607
>citation needed
>>76256841
But people couldn't shut the fuck up about it years ago.
Why does no one mention those things now? Depleting ozone, evil greenhouse gases.
Al Gore said we had a 10 year window before the apocalypse, but we're well past that point.
>>76256258
Being proactive is part of the adaptation. We can't evolve into super-sherpas overnight
>>76256812
True Believers know that climate didn't exist before it was created 6000 years ago.
>tfw eastern and northern sydney people have expensive problems
>>76256841
>quantum mechanics
it is a shame we have such brilliant people wasting their time on that
>>76256841
Nice job dodging the question and moving the goalposts of the conversation simultaneously. Never seen so many logical fallacies in such a short, I'll thought out reply.
>>76256607
AC also increases productivity, as someone living in a country where outside can reach up to 50°C in summer, I guarantee you that AC is indispensable in most respectable workplaces.
Also, on topic: http://joannenova.com.au/2016/04/hot-magma-is-melting-greenland-ice-can-windfarms-save-it/
>>76256956
>But people couldn't shut the fuck up about it years ago.
People have short attention spans. So does the media.
>Why does no one mention those things now? Depleting ozone, evil greenhouse gases.
Banning CFC's has caused the ozone layer to begin a slow recovery. Greenhouse gases are still a thing.
>Al Gore
Who gives a shit about Al Gore?
just by breathing, humans pollute the environment by ejecting CO2 into the atmosphere. therefore the only way to protect the environment is to kill yourself
>>76256621
Dude if you won't actually read the reports I'm not going to spell them out for you.
CO2 follows temperature, not vice-versa, and the main driver of temperature (by line of best-fit following almost exactly) is solar activity.
I can see the retirement home my gam gams used to live in in op
>>76251969
Despite nobody ITT agreeing, I purpose a question:
Why do we as humans care to begin with? Is it just a sake of being too intelligent, and our progresses in histortly are now coming back to haunt us? Or is it simply emotion, that we are killing other plants and animals? And why is there such a jagged rift between people who say global warming is manmade amd those who say it's naturalit's natural? Are Humans just too emotional?
alot of beach loss is linked to sand dredging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAPfwwb59uY
>>76257252
History**
Christ it's too late to be shitposting on 4chan
>>76257226
>the main driver of temperature (by line of best-fit following almost exactly) is solar activity
Temperatures have increased the past decades throughout solar minima. Things like the increase in tropopause height prove increased solar activity isn't what's causing the current warming.
>>76257341
***It's Natural
>mfw all these errors
>>76257252
No it's a political stunt. People are invested in alternative energy and lobby politicians to push this global warming crap to bankrupt energy industries and move it to something more expensive so they can make a fortune.
>>76257252
>Why do we as humans care to begin with?
An important part of climate change is rising sea levels. The vast majority of the human population lives within a couple of miles from the coast.
>>76257441
Nuclear is the only way. Solar and Wind are meme energy sources.
>>76257441
>People are invested in alternative energy and lobby politicians to push this global warming crap to bankrupt energy industries
How's that been working out?
And do you really, honestly believe there is a lobby that can take on the fossil fuel lobby?
>>76256916
1. I made a simple statement to which you replied "absolutely false"
2. Circular logic, doesn't change the fact that my argument still stands. World leaders were so scared of a single-event man-made extinction-level climate change that they've been stepping back from the saber-rattling edge (albeit at a disappointing pace)
>>76257592
Fossil fuel companies very rarely, if ever, only hold assets in fossil fuels alone.
The idea they are "injured" by climate change laws is a myth. A huge chunk of BP and Shell's business structure is devoted to energy sources associated with clean-energy like tidal, solar, and wind power.
I bet I could beat everyone in this thread up.
>>76255536
They think their kids will get radiation sickness through the electrical sockets.
Really wish I were joking
>>76256536
http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings/
>Scientists funded by Charles Koch and other oil barons
>Lead scientists and institute director was avowed skeptics.
>Analysed all the data again
Guess what they found? Global warming was real afterall!
>>76257021
You are truly an ignorant faggot.
Quantum mechanics has had dramatic effect on material science, drug discovery, optics...
Countless technologies
>>76257768
like what?
>>76257097
Technically true, but not the most desireable outcome
>>76257705
No you couldn't, faggot
Why does the west insist on demonizing its population when it's the shithead nations like pooindia and china that are doing it?
Why do they insist pretending turning your microwave off at the wall at night actually has any significant impact while the turd world instead gives no fucks and just diarrhea shits their filth into the environment with nary a care?
inb4 a bunch of unlabeled memegraphs and a list of papers rejecting climate change (because deniers don't understand that the plural of anecdote isn't data).
>>76257858
PLEASE, OH PLEASE DO NOT LOOK AT THIS LIST OF PEER REVIEWED PAPERS THAT DEBUNK CLIMATE CHANGE MYTHOLOGY.
Only IPCC Certified for Truth papers count as real papers, all else is just anecdote.
Reference Lists of Skeptical Papers
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
http://www.c3headlines.com/peer-reviewed-research-studies-climate-change-related-other.html
http://chrono.qub.ac.uk/blaauw/cds.html
http://notrickszone.com/248-skeptical-papers-from-2014/
http://notrickszone.com/skeptic-papers-2016/
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/files/documents/Madhav%20bibliography%20LONG%20VERSION%20Feb%206-07.pdf
a. “Reconciling observations of global temperature change” Richard Lindzen & Constantine Giannitsis. Geophysical Research Letters V 29 (2002) No 12 10.1029/2001GL014074
Analyzes the discrepancy between global mean temperature trends, obtained by satellite
microwave data, and surface temperature measurements.
b. “Compilation and discussion of trends in severe storms in the United States: Popular perception vs climate reality” Robert Balling Jr & Randall Cerveny Natural Hazards V 29 (2003) p. 103-112
Documents the mismatch between popular perceptions, as created by media reports, and
climate reality, which does not show extreme weather as increasing in the USA.
c. “On destructive Canadian Prairie windstorms and severe winters: A climatological assessment in
the context of global warming” Keith Hage Natural Hazards V 29 (2003) p. 207-228
Documents a temporal frequency peak in severe windstorms and associated tornadoes
during the 1920s and 1930s, then a steady decline since 1940 through 1980s. A steep rise
in tornado frequency since 1970 is attributed to increasing awareness and reporting of
tornado activity in recent years, and NOT due to change in tornado climatology.
>>76257873
d. “Shifting economic impacts from weather extremes in the Unites States: a result of societal
changes, not global warming” Stanley Changnon Natural Hazards V 29 (2003) p. 273-290
Documents that increasing economic impacts of extreme weather events in the USA is a
result of societal change and NOT global warming.
e. “The global warming debate: A review of the present state of science” M L Khandekar T S Murty &
P Chittibabu Pure & Applied Geophysics V 162 (2005) p. 1557-1586
Concludes that the recent warming of the earth’s surface is primarily due to urbanization,
land-use change, etc. and not due to increasing green house gas in the atmosphere.
f. “Extreme weather trends vs dangerous climate change: A need for a critical reassessment” M L
Khandekar Energy & Environment V 16 (2005) p.327-331
Shows that extreme weather events like heat waves, winter blizzards, rainstorms, droughts
etc are not increasing anywhere in Canada, USA or elsewhere, where sufficient data are
available for adequate analysis.
g. “The interaction of climate change and the carbon dioxide cycle” A Rorsch R S Courtney & D
Thoenes Energy & Environment V 16 (2005) p. 217-238
Argues the relatively large rise of CO2 in the 20th century, was caused by the increase in
the mean temperature which preceded it.
>>76257890
h. “Can we detect trends in extreme tropical cyclones?” Christopher Landsea et al Science V 313
(2006)p.452-454
Suggests the Dvorak technique, developed to estimate hurricane strength, was not
available in the late 1960s and early 1970s or before, when some of the hurricanes and
tropical cyclones may have been stronger than estimated.
i. “Trends in western North Pacific tropical cyclone intensity” M- C Wu K-H Yeung & W-L Chang EOS
Transactions AGU V 87 (2006) No 48 28 November 2006
Suggests that the western North Pacific tropical cyclone climatology does not reveal
increasing strength for typhoon records from 1965 to 2004.
j. “On global forces of nature driving the earth’s climate: Are humans involved?” L F Khilyuk & G V
Chilinger Environmental Geology V 50 (2006) p. 899-910
Presents a comprehensive review of the global forces driving the earth’s climate over
geological times. The present warming of the last 150 years is a short warming episode in
the earth’s geologic history. Human activity (anthropogenic green house gas emission)
may be responsible for only 0.01°C of the approximately 0.56°C warming of the 20th
century.
>>76257839
Don't try me leaf. I could beat everyone here up easy all at once.
>>76257817
cpu chips these days are affected by it. The genetic algorithms that design circuits have to take into account electron leakage between closely spaced circuits due to electron barrier penetration.
The computer you have sitting next to you is most likely encountering numerous quantum mechanical effects every single second you are using it and has been designed to account for it.
>>76257252
This question is equally as useless as the anthro/non-anthropogenic argument
>>76252835
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>>76257845
Because guess who exports the coal to India and China...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus
>this thread BTFO
>Get well and truly fingered by rain all weekend
>Blame it on rising sea levels
>>76257910
>>76257890
>>76257873
You realize none of these disprove anthropogenic climate change, right?
>>76257817
Laser, transistor, MRI machines. Just 3 off top of my head
Learn to google
Who can I blame for the US not having a nuke waste repository?
>>76258089
There's only a hiatus in atmospheric warming. The Earth is a lot more than atmosphere, just look at the oceanic heat content increase during the "hiatus".
>>76256254
In a system the size of earth, 3% is impressive
>>76257845
This is a great point.
>>76257527
We're only so many breakthroughs away from making nuclear power obsolete for the most part. There's more than enough energy in ocean tides and currents to power 20 billion or so homes. I presume geothermal energy on a large enough scale is more efficient than nuclear plants.
>>76258218
So now you're worried about the earth having a fever too?
>>76252298
>So i guess all those forests we clear
the grass and crops we replace them with generate oxygen too, photosynthesis is a surface reaction, does not depend on the size of the plant
>all that carbon we burn
volcanoes natural forest fires and natural gas leaks emits lots more
>>76258409
I still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
>>76258319
Look up "enhanced geothermal systems". MIT has a major hardon for it. hasn't panned out for anybody so far, probably due to the egregiously small geothermal industry both in the US and internationally.
>>76257252
Yeah we're emotionally fucked up.
But emotions helped us to survive. Stewardship is the word that comes to mind
>>76252789
These fuckers deserve it. Erosion is natural, but extreme weather always fucks the coast. But hUUUR I AM RICH LET ME BUILD RIGHT ON THE SANDY CLIFFS NOTHING WILL HAPPEN RIGHT??
>>76258319
PS no way in hell geothermal could match thermo efficiencies of a combined cycle gas plant.
>>76251969
>Al Gore
Stopped reading there
>>76253224
why
So, people forgot about the ozone layer?
I live near water and i check on it to see if it is coming up and it's not. Global warming is the stupidest myth since peak oil.
>>76258461
>volcanoes natural forest fires and natural gas leaks emits lots more
Natural sources have natural sinks. That's called the carbon cycle. (Though human emissions are in fact greater than volcanic emissions of CO2).
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>>76258560
>>76258658
Because temperature and sea level seem to be positively correlated and lots of people live near water.
>>76258113
>you still can't proove God doesn't exist. Nya nyaaaa!
>>76257873
>>76257890
>>76257910
Wow you sure did Correct The Record there mate. $0.05 has been deposited.
>>76258664
One of white peoples' greatest successes.
We fixed it!
>>76258664
The changes implemented to fix it seem to be working, so yeah
>a freak storm that happens once a blue moon is now proof of climate change
How fucking dumb are you? Kill yourself you green poofters.
>>76252298
>>76253761
Neither of those is correct.
>On the left is Narrabeen Beach on Sydney’s Northern Beaches as it is today. On the right is what it could look like in fifty years if the sea level rises by a metre.
Left is real right is photoshop.
http://www.coastalwatch.com/environment/8134/the-essential-beach-book
>>76258461
Its not just the forests, but the literal billions of gallons of preserved dinosaur
Nobodys saying that the volcanoes and whatnot aren't an issue. Personally I think man made sources are easier to control and as a limited resource humans also concern themselves on the best way to conserve for a date when they need it.
I wish we had a plan for it, but we don't have a solid grip on any of the manmade sources either
>>76258895
>we get freak storms every 3 years
>but its nothing to worry about
>>76258919
>True Believers use photoshop to prove their religion is true
Top kek
It's funny because reality debunks claims made by scientists about climate change. Whatever happened to those 50 million climate change refugees in 2010? Or that snow wouldn't exist by 2013?
>>76253329
>>New Testament parable
FTFY
>>76251969
>take a picture at low tide
>take another at high tide
FUGN WHOOOOA DUDE GLOBAL WARMIGN THE FUGN OCEAN ARE RISING WERE GOIN UNDERWADER MANNNN
>>76258919
Absolutely blown the fuck out.
>Greenies now need to photoshop pictures to "prove" climate change
Tells you everything you need to know.
>>76258919
OP here, I'll confess. I was fooled (after the recent king tide) learned it was shopped. thought I'd post it anyway because climate debates are fun watching all the useful oil industry clowns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjVjr-qOpNk
>All the scientists are part of a massive government conspiracy
>>76252638
sweet jesus youre dumb
if you really want to stop CO2 emissions, start with yourself
putting a pistol in your mouth will greatly reduce your carbon footprint
>>76252024
So they built all of those building in the winter and when summer came they were like "ah shit we fucked up"
>destroy dune system by developing mcmansions right on top
>coastal storm happens
>upset when your $2.5million mortgage falls into the ocean
Rich cunts BTFO
>>76258461
>natural gas leaks
Not the kind you were thinking but the double meaning is amusing
Climate change is natural
It will continue no matter what humans do
Trying to preserve the Earth and its species in a permanent state is a stupid waste of resources and utterly futile
Adversity will fuel scientific development and unconventional solutions to problems, rather than >tax tax tax stop using oil evil capitalists oh but China and India can do whatever they want because they're poor non-whites
>>76255903
> VISIBLE air pollution
> you can see it so it must be bad
> amonnium chloride gas must therefore be a health tonic
other causes of "photochemical smog"
Dust
Pollen
the methane and ozone produced by forests jungles and swamps
volcanic ash
soot from wild fires
etc etc etc
TV news B roll and over-wrought eco-looney "documentaries" spend a lot of time focusing their lenses on automobile tail pipes and industrial stacks but that is NOT the source of most air pollution
electrical generation, industrial plants, plastics manufacturing, and even painting your house release large amounts of VOCs, far more than automobiles do.
the poster child for photochemical smog in america is Los Angeles, and there isnt a coal fired industrial facility within 500 miles of LA.
>>76252298
>Doesn't want people to cut down trees
>Doesn't want trees to breathe the CO2 we emit either.
At least when we cut down trees we end it quickly. You just want them to suffocate and suffer.
>>76259156
Man, fuck those guys.
>>76259236
>My evidence is fake but my point isn't
Ya...no, you can go fuck yourself.
>>76256001
> CO2 is poisonous
retard.
CO2 is NON-TOXIC, unlike the gasses coming off your crotch
CO2 is an "asphyxiant" due to it's formation displacing O2 in a given volume of air
air is 70% nitrogen, which is also NON-TOXIC but will kill you if the O2 levels drop below ~10%
80% CO2 + 20% O2 = breathable air
actually 20% O2 will be perfectly breathable in any inert gas environment
deep sea divers breathe Helium and O2 and for some dives the O2 goes as high as 40%
curiously, youll die from too much O2 but as long as you have enough O2, no amount of CO2 will hurt you
>>76258113
No but they do seemingly disprove the myth of "big carbon". The only reason anyone cares about this is because governments seek to place carbon taxes on industry and promote "renewable" energy thrice that would be near unusable if not for government subsidy.
I don't think any rational individual thinks environmentalism is, at its core, a bad idea. When you however try to impose regulation and outright lie and falsify data and then call anyone who asks questions an idiot "science denier" your position loses weight.
I'm more than willing to believe in this, but the behavior of the "scientists" in this case is overly defensive. Even if they are in the right. The fact that people get so defensive over evolution is a similar case.
I've made people get raving mad presenting them with arguments against evolution they can't possibly defend. I'll then explain where they fucked up and where the answer is, but they don't even understand what they're arguing about and call others "anti-science."
It's sickening and intellectually dishonest and only encourages "deniers" which are people that in reality are merely reacting skeptically and rationally to the zealotry you retards display.
“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “At the present rate of nitrogen build-up, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
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“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
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April 28, 1975 Newsweek “There are ominous signs that Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically….The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it….The central fact is that…the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down…If the climate change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”
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1976 Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,”: “This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”
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July 9, 1971, Washington Post: “In the next 50 years fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to ten years, could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
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June, 1975, Nigel Calder in International Wildlife: “The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.”
>>76260487
> muh evolution theory
if evolution is real and we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys???
>>76260680
if babies grow up to be adults why are there still babies?
>>76253596
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_KnuqQh7oU
>>76253834
this
>>76251969
Weather on the earth is a function of solar radiation. We have accurate solar records dating back about 250 years. We are currently in Solar Cycle 24, and this one is VERY weak. A weak solar cycle translates to cooler temperatures over the next decade.
Longer term, we are also in an interglacial period. It is much warmer today relative to the last Ice Age. This means that while things may continue heating up, inevitably it will get colder and there will be another Ice Age.
>>76252138
Geology student here.
No, there is no question anymore the source of CO2 is well known.
Carbon-13 is a stable isotope of Carbon (no, not Carbon-14, that's radioactive). Life prefers Carbon-12 to Carbon-13 because the lighter atom is easier to use in biological processes. As life consumes Carbon a greater abundance of Carbon-13 is left behind in the atmosphere. Life is not even aware it's doing it. It's simply a consequence of living processes naturally preferring one over the other as it's easier to work with.
Non biological processes which lock Carbon into rock, such as dissolved CaCO3 in water precipitating into Carbonate rocks doesn't care. So when a source rock releases Carbon back into the atmosphere, such as through dissolving inorganically precipitated Carbonate rock or through the breakdown of coal we know damned well where the Carbon came from by the abundance of Carbon-13.
Atmospheric CO2 is increasingly coming from biological source rock, IE coal.
Arguing against anthropogenic climate change at this point is uneducated and unscientific.
Oh, here, I found an article written by NOAA for education.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/isotopes/stable.html
>>76260680
Now, this is bait,
BUT, we're it serious,
If I were to call this poster a retard and a dumb christfag that doesn't understand science he would recoil and dig deeper into his argument and refuse to come out or consider any other point. Others, who might not care as much or even tangentially might understand evolutionary theory, will see this dogmatic adherence to theory and begin to question things if he is an otherwise intelligent and skeptical person.
Thus you force your subject into further zealotry and sway others against your own position by zealously arguing in favor of "science" which is not a scientific way of arguing whatsoever.
And no, "I get sick of arguing with idiots lol" is a lazy excuse. If you have time to yell at and berate idiots you have time to explain things like a rational being.
>>76260401
Actually too much co2 causes blood acidosis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbogen
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/carbogen/carbogen_article1.shtm
>Hypercapnia is initially stimulating, but longer-term exposure to high levels of carbon dioxide leads to "carbon dioxide narcosis": lethargy, confusion, and sleepiness. Exposure to levels of carbon dioxide around 10% causes dizziness and higher levels cause unconsciousness within minutes.1 There have been a number of reported deaths where accidental exposure to high carbon dioxide levels caused the victims to black out before they could reach safety
>>76260738
my most important question is how did animals ever get from sea to land... think about it, even if they would jump up the coast for a few seconds every time it would be retarded to assume they actually developed lungs, a completely different type of oxygen intake. The development of lungs is an incredibly important step and theres no logical explanation for it
