>people should do what they want as long as they don't directly harm anybody It's the current year
>Anon, you should stop smoking, it's bad for you.
Why are libshits such hypocrites regarding tobacco?
>>76191665
you're a drain on the medical system, your breath and clothes stink like shit and you look old and disgusting much younger.
They're literally hypocritics on everything
>>76191665
and i'm a fashy goy
>>76191665
What if they don't want to make it illegal, they just don't want you to get cancer because they care about you?
>>76191665
That's what liberals do all the time, they love to contradict themselves.
>>76191776
nice digits
>>76191880
>saving thumbnails
You DESERVE to get cancer.
>>76191665
>should
Uh... Also
>liberals
>Libertarians
We should really just glass your shitty island already and use it as a resort.
>>76191776
Shut the fuck up you crooked toothed mohammad you lost all rights to have an opinion
choke on a fucking willy you inbred billy
>LOOK AT ME I'M A FUCKING KEKOLD HOLY SHIT
o i am laffing
>>76191776
That is the least 1776 post you could have made while being on topic.
youre inconsiderate slaves that make me breathe in your poison
>>76191987
>>76191776
>not supporting the tobacco industry
>>76191776
>drain on the medical system
If anything, people who smoke are good for the health service because they die quicker you absolute mong.
>>76191987
woops wrong one maybe this one is a thumbnail
>>76191880
Then what the fucks happen with my body my choice? You know, that ideology shouldn't only be applied to abortions. Speaking of that, I remember that during Hurricane Sandy a man that didn't wanted to help a mother rescue her kid because he didn't wanted any harm to his body was shamed and called a racist by liberals just by wanting to ta care of himself.
>>76192111
Enjoy your cancer
>>76191665
That's some backwards logic there bud.
A suggestion that would be overall beneficial for your well-being is much different from stopping you from doing what you want.
>>76191665
Should =/= must you fucking faggot.
You can hold someone is free to do something while holding that something in poor regard.
Holy shit people are stupid.
>>76191665
What if the dramatic rise in cancer-rates over the past century haven't been tobacco-related at all, especially since smoking has only gone down in popularity as time has gone on?
That said, emphysema and probably stuff like high blood pressure leading to strokes are definitely legit risks, whichever the case for cancer.
>>76192267
Fucking Loizano, the majority of /pol/ is pro-choiche dumbass
>>76191776
>He says whilst recovering from his fourth gastric band operation and munching down a big mac
Fuck off, without the VAT and the other taxes imposed on cigarettes the NHS would collapse and you my darling wouldn't be able to get your state funded mobility scooter/gastric bands.
Smoking generates more than it costs in treatments.
Also your mobility scooter lets off fumes I don't want to breathe in, your fat cells let off fumes I don't want to breathe in either.
So the next time you're on the operating table to have you gastric band tightened, I hope you fucking die.
Cunt.
>>76191665
If I can smell your smoke then you are exposing me to your smoke against my will.
>>76191665
Everyone knows only retards smoke.
>I'm going to give myself an addiction to this harmful substance because I think it's cool hurr durr
>>76192677
I can smell the shit stains on your trousers you fat cunt, that is against my will.
Kill yourself.
>>76192422
How about you keep your opinion to yourself libshit. If I suggested any woman she should not have an abortion you libshits will say that I want to control her body.
I smoke , everyone who doesn't smoke hate it , everyone who does smoke doesn't care.
Who cares
>>76192701
>muh cool maymay
maybe in the 1950's.
Not today, also since when did America start becoming the land of wanting to ban and England being the voice of wanting personal freedoms and a market to generate profit?
Bizarro day? What happened America? Obama's dick drown you in Kenyan cum?
>>76192677
If I can hear your voice then you are exposing me to sounds you admit against my will.
If I can see your face then you're exposing me to your ugly mug against my will.
McFucking kill yourself.
Except that liberals smoke like chinese town.
>>76192890
>mfw he probably drives a large Ameritruck car and belts out more fumes in a single hour than 100 smokers do in a year
lel.
>>76192677
>If I can smell your body odor , you're exposing me to your body odor against my will.
>>76192799
I'm a hyper-conservative. Abortion is murder. Smoking is a stupid decision but unless you're literally exhaling into other people's faces you aren't hurting anyone.
There is a difference between actions which fuck over other people and actions which only fuck over yourself.
>>76192875
Who says I wanted to ban it?
I think it's hilarious that a company can sell a box of poison with warning labels all over it.
Makes walking down the street a fucking comedy show. All these white trash retards killing themselves slowly, and paying to do it.
>>76192553
But I didn't said otherwise hipster rio piedras fag, I said if you think you don't have the right to tell people to stop doing something that only involves his/her/xir/whatever body, then you don't have the right to call out people for anything because tv people told your sheep brain it is bad.
>>76191776
Do you know how high the taxes are on cigarettes?
I'm paying enough to have a heart attack every other week fuck you
>What are externalities?
>>76192745
>>76192890
Edgy. BO and offensive noises aren't going to harm you though, pussy.
>>76193125
And people who don't smoke are going to die anyway and burden the health system, smokers just die younger. Smokers subsidise non-smokers' health treatment, they should fucking thank us
>>76193067
Car fumes do more damage to the human lungs than second hand smoke does.
Especially if you live in a city.
Shall we call for a ban on cars? Anti smokers keep silent about that, probably because most of them drive and can't see their own hypocrisy.
They just want to ban one of the very few personal pleasures and vices we have left.
And say cigarettes were banned? They'll always be a demand, it will just create a black market and the government will lose an incredible amount of revenue.
Anti smokers need to shove a big mac in it and shut the fuck up.
(not you btw, I agree with you).
>>76192875
Do you guys have anti-tobacco ads over there? We've had them for a long time, but the past ten years or so has seen a sharp uptick in their tone, doing everything short of calling you a pedophile if you smoke. I assume a decade and a half of these sorts of industry-targeting attack ads probably has something to do with the change in attitude.
Still, don't really miss smoking sections in restaurants or bars, don't mind going outside unless it's deep winter.
>>76193125
Fuck pack ciggs m8, roll your own. I pay like $3.50 for a few day's worth, not the $7-$9 I see some people pay.
>>76193067
>hyper-conservative
>think its OK to for people to fuck over themselves
pick one, ladafam
>>76192562
This, I heard the taxes on a pack in the UK is like 15 bucks, while in america youll be hard pressed to find one over 3 bucks, with most under a dollar
Your Govt is bringing in major bank on that
>>76193308
Anti smoking ads don't work, they never have and never will.
If a smoker wants to smoke, they will smoke, regardless. Just like if a drug addict wants to do drugs, they will do it.
>>76193286
Your fecal particles in the atmosphere are harming me though.
Kill yourself.
>>76193083
>White trash
Hi nigger filth, I'm glad you niggers shoot and stab each other over trivial things, keep it up. Saves whitey a job.
>>76193286
Neither is the smell of smoke on someone after they smoke
>>76192387
being modest IS beneficial for your overall well-being
>>76193286
Then neither is cigarette smoke that disperses in open air within seconds, dipshit.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44322/
>>76193391
It's true though, there's a report out that shows smoking generates more money for the NHS than it costs in terms of treating smoking related illnesses like COPD, Lung cancer ETC ETC ETC.
Obesity is costing the NHS more than anything, along with diabetes. Yet the fatties that call for smoking bans won't put down that third packet of custard creams.
>>76193307
> Shall we call for a ban on cars?
Are you forgetting that libtarded socialist fascists are praying for self-driving electric cars to show up on their doorsteps tomorrow?
Brake pad dust is fucking horrific for people. Nobody gives a flyyyyyyying fuck about it.
>>76191665
>you should stop smoking
Well you should. You're not being forced to. You just should.
>>76193257
So, gays are more likely to have HIV but I bet you don't tell them to stop being fags because of all the burden it can put on the health system. Not to mention fast food doesn't get taxed and all the welfare for immigrants.
>>76193623
It's just about the erosion of things people take pleasure in.
Soon we'll end up like demolition man were sex is banned.
>>76193307
People are far too reactionary and dimwitted to come up with any solution more complicated than "ban it and use violence against people who violate the ban". If they don't like something and don't value it, that's what they'll do. The reasoning they employ in justifying it is never consistent - it's always an instrumental farce in trying to convince other retards on the immediate issue that those retards should go along with what they want to do.
>>76193801
To add, the prohibition of alcohol had to be repealed because it led to an increase in crime, smuggling and just flat out didn't work.
The war on drugs has wasted resources that could be diverted to better things.
Anti smoking? Literally cutting off one of the biggest cash cows in society?
Statist pieces of shit really are the most retarded fuck faced, hypocritical piles of congealed cunt jelly to ever curse this planet.
>>76193367
I was unaware freedom from people fucking around in your life when you haven't done shit to them was unconservative. And here I thought conservatism represented an emphasis on government that didn't fuck with you.
You have enlightened me with your intelligence, Paco.
literally noone is smoking anymore, kids these days all vaping or do cocaine
>>76192224
This. Retirement benefits are a huge drain on the young.
>>76193673
>you shouldn't have an abortion
>you shouldn't be gay
>you shouldn't fuck niggers
>you shouldn't have tattoos
I bet you would get mad if I said some of these to anybody you fucking libshit.
>>76194049
>kids are all doing cocaine
Germany you have problems.
>>76193863
Indeed, I agree with you.
Meanwhile those same people enforcing such a trivial ban will ignore ficki ficki or mass rapes.
Because it's easy to target someone for smoking a cigarette, easier to target someone snorting a line of coke than it is to protect 1400 white girls being raped, beaten and threatened.
Fucking statists in this country and indeed the world really do need to sort themselves out and their priorities.
Absolute fucking retards.
>>76193504
>Anti smoking ads don't work
Plenty of people growing up have had their thinking in regards to tobacco altered from the start by such ads, I wouldn't write off the correlation between them and the decrease in smoking's popularity. On the other hand, the sudden explosion of the cancerous vape culture appears indicative of a generation who want to do the cool thing without quite stepping over the edge, probably people who would've smoked had the culture they grew up in not cast it as satan-incarnate.
>>76193950
I think people should be allowed to smoke, but let's not pretend that second-hand smoke isn't bad for people. We have city ordinances around here that dictate that nobody shall smoke within 25 feet of an entrance to a business, unless otherwise permitted. Seems reasonable.
>>76191776
>Drain on the medical system
The tax revenue on tobacco is FAR more than what it costs the NHS m8.
>>76193308
>Just le roll your own
I pay 80 dollars a week for a pack of 50g of the cheapest baccy
>>76191665
>smoking cigs like a girl/faggot
>not pipe smoking like a real man
>>76194122
Maybe he doesn't think it that way. I have met a lot of libshits that think every drug but tobacco even the synthetic ones, are safe.
Smokers are drug-addicts who waste their money on looking like a gigantic tool, but if that's how they want to fuck themselves up then so be it.
>>76194122
>tfw my small midwestern town has had 3 methlab busts and 2 dumpsites found so far this year
>tfw heroin has become part of the background poverty and normalized where previously demonized
>>76194162
Smokers will smoke, regardless.
I've seen the ads myself and I smoke, doesn't bother me one bit. I will carry on smoking and working.
A relative of mine is a non smoker, doesn't care and has actually admitted that the ban on smoking in pubs has caused problems, it's led to a decline in people using pubs, it's unsafe because you cannot take your drink out to the smoking area.
etc.
But to address you personally, I find your entire doctrine and posts offensive, you need to be banned right NOW!
>>76194337
Yeah. "Safe".
>>76194014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalism
Here you go Tyrone, it's wikipedia so it should be comprehensible even for an American. If you call yourself hyper-conservative it means you believe in it.
>>76194388
I'm from a small midwestern town too, but the anti-degeneracy shaming is still strong here.
>>76194145
Yup.
>>76194234
And cars are allowed to freely drive past said businesses right?
Cars let out oxides of nitrogen, carbon monoxide etc.
Far far more deadly than second hand smoke, at least with second hand smoke you can ask the smoker to move away, or enforce said smoking areas in places.
You cannot do this with cars, and cars belt out fumes on a scale most people can't actually comprehend.
Whilst I am in agreement that second hand smoke isn't nice and can be harmful, I'm saying in the grand scheme of pollutants? It's nothing.
>>76194162
But potheads told me telling people to stop using something doesn't work.
>>76194285
Can't you get it from duty free?
A pack of cigarettes is about £10 here so I order mine online from websites that sell cartons working out at £3 a pack
>smoking
>bad
>drain on the medical system
>female obesity
>good
>healthy at any size
>>76194372
Do you drink tea? Coffee? Coke? Do you eat junk food?
Why don't you tell us your vice and how much your vice costs the NHS and how much you've contributed in tax toward the NHS.
Come let's see your hypocrisy in front of the crowd. Out with it all.
>>76194681
Limit on duty free here which is retarded.
Canary islands is given special treatment, you can only bring back 200 cigarettes or 500g tobacco.
Whilst other EU members you can bring back 1000 cigarettes or 1500g of tobacco.
Because Canaries are the cheapest.
>>76191665
because the people saying the first thing aren't the same people saying the second thing
>>76194509
Conservatism =/= your authoritarian dumbfuckery.
Someone can have conservative values and not want to use *violent force* to coerce other people into accepting them. If you're a drug addict I'm going to shame you and lecture you if I want you to change - I'm not going to beat you up and throw you in a cell/shoot you.
>>76194706
Weed is literally 20x as carcinogenic as cigarettes, several times more CO and tar in a joint compared to a cigarette yet libshits think weed should be given to us by the govt for free and cigarettes banned
>you will never smoke a perfectly preserved sixty five year old pack of Chesterfields
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSgfpTZEgGU
>>76194397
>Smokers will smoke, regardless
No doubt, myself included, I'm just speaking about the long-term health of the industry, if young people are brought up thinking that not only is smoking not cool but it is also stupid, they're going to be less likely to try out of curiosity one day. Granted, a certain percentage of people always will, the kind who'll do something you dare them to or goes against other's judgement out of spite, but that segment of young people can only account for so much.
>>76194569
The old folks still do, though most are begrudgingly silent as they watch children and grandchildren fall prey to that sort of poison.
Poverty makes people give up in the worst ways, offering an easy avenue of thinking that leads to blissing out with a needle stuck in one arm or a sizzling pipe burning fingertips that can't feel the scald.
>>76191776
>you're a drain on the medical system
This is why national healthcare is a fucking scam. It can be used for population control on the basis of certain activities "draining" the public coffers.
>>76194878
Plenty of duty free online sites you can order from, they resend them for free if customs intercept the package too
>>76194928
>Weed is literally 20x as carcinogenic as cigarettes
>>76191776
Holy shit, all the denial in response to this completely correct post is hilarious. I hope you fools aren't the same shitters who whine about weed and alcohol.
>>76194991
No one is pushing the message that smoking is cool, in fact most smokers will tell others, don't take it up, don't start it when asked about it.
So this myth of "le smoke smoke is le cool" is from 1950's and 1980's American adverts promoting cigarettes.
No one thinks they're cool, children are retards and if they smoke it's not because they think it's cool, it's most likely due to a parent smoking and them taking it up.
>>76194898
Are you sure? I am not saying all liberals, using the american definition of the word, are like that, but my personal experience in college and in the media is that there is a lot of people that thinks this way.
>>76194770
>Drug addiction isn't degenerate because people drink TEA you guys!
You know I once saw someone scuttling along the pavement outside a pub, looking for stomped out fag ends to get at what little tobacco was left in them.
But I mean I've eaten a burger, so I guess I can't judge :^)
>>76195070
Interesting, I usually only get duty free when going on holiday/coming back and have to scan boarding pass in at airport.
>>76195095
Do not respond to it, just don't.
>>76194706
This.
I don't smoke, and I don't like the smell at all, but I won't accept this bullshit quiet. All that holds it together is secondhand smoking, and it's ALSO bullshit. If you guys wanna have a laugh, look for the passive smoking researches, not even on paper they can make that nonsense look good.
I'll only vaguely accept this cig "oppression" the day I see fat fucks dying in the back of a McDonald's lunchbox.
>>76194991
Yeah, it's mostly in very small poverty-ridden clicks of people where the drugs pop up.
But those people are few and far between around here, and they mostly stick to themselves. Dealing with those people is exhausting - they tend to be petty, overly dramatic, unappreciative, and generally just unpleasant. There are some who break that stereotype, but they're few and far between.
>>76195108
nice artefacting shitlord
>>76195161
Libshit detected
>>76195281
I've also seen that, they tend to be homeless people that will ask for change and drink cans of super tenants.
Not my problem.
I've seen fatties scoffing down burgers, spitting out chunks of the bun, lecturing others on how bad smoking is, whilst their gut expands and moves the table toward me.
What do you honestly think costs the NHS more?
Fatties or smokers?
>>76195161
Human life is a drain on the medical system, compulsory abortion and sterilization is the only way to keep the wheels from falling off of Western civilization.
If everyone doesn't die how can we hope to survive?
>>76194902
>Conservatism =/= your authoritarian dumbfuckery.
Akshually conservatism more or less=authoritarian dumbfuckery. If you add hyper-conservative then yes it implies you believe that some people are wiser than others and thus should "parent" them, violent or non-violent method does not matter.
You Americans throw around words, despite not knowing what they mean, effectivelly fucking up world's lexikon. As an conservative it deeply triggers me.
"Should" is obviously a suggestion. Why are you so dense? Cigs are disgusting anyway. They make you feel like youre dying from a sickness, and the addiction is an anxious as fuck one.
>>76195161
But it's actually not a drain on the medical system.
At least not in the UK, the NHS receives more in tax from smoking than it spends on treating smoking related illnesses.
This is a fact.
>>76191776
And I'm sure you smell of roses don't you? Fatty.
>>76191665
I like smoking, i smoke camel crush. If you don't like it you can GIT OUT. Do i sound sarcastic? I'm not
>>76195734
Car fumes stink and cars are disgusting.
Ban them now please.
>>76195767
And that's assuming people who don't smoke just suddenly die in their sleep without getting heart disease, cancer or any ailments that cost the NHS money.
sugar tax when
>>76195491
They're both incredibly degenerate, and deserving of being shamed.
Regardless, I refuse to see smokers as being any different from tweakers or methheads. Anyone who lets themselves fall into addiction of any narcotic substance is a waste of space.
>>76191665
You can do things that are bad for you. But you shouldn't because, y'know, it's bad for you and if you do people will point out how retarded you are.
And you shouldn't smoke around other people, that's terribly rude.
>>76195491
Fatties are at LEAST as addicted as smokers, and I'm not joking.
>been working at a friend's gym for years
>helping people out with training, fixing and cleaning equipment
>we divide the guys who pay for help with their training is groups
>women, sick, fatfucks, "I wanna look good by summer" guys
>we make rounds so each of the guys has to deal with a group sometimes
>fats are by far the worst
>they don't know what a diet is, literally
>had more than once one of them bringing fast food into the gym, even though its not permitted
>they can't stay 2 hours without eating
>literally disgusted by water, fruit and vegetables
It's fucking pathetic.
>>76192267
Did you read what I said? Go for it, harm yourself. Your loved ones would rather you not do it though.
>>76195722
No. It doesn't. Conservatism is about values.
>it implies you believe that some people are wiser than others and thus should "parent" them
That's nanny-statism. You're talking about progressives, not conservatives.
>>76191665
Second and third hand smokes does directly harm people.
>>76192111
>>76192562
There's a lot of seriously booty blasted people ITT, pretty Hillary tbqhfamalamadingdong
>>76195951
You know the NHS is going to start giving out gastric bands to everyone with diabetes now...
I shit you not, how much does a gastric band operation cost?
Yeah. Hundreds of thousands of people in this country with diabetes.
Nearly millions of obese people which will soon have complete and full access to "free" gastric band operations because they're too fucking retarded to control how much food they shove down their greedy gullets.
And smokers are paying for this and they dare, they fucking dare attack us for smoking.
Mother fuckers need their fat man tits cut off and their skin turned into tanned leather for a new cigarette holder for me.
Fucking cheek of them!
You now realize that cigarette smoking became as popular as it did, not because of "the corporations" tricking people, but because of entire generations of drafted men taking up smoking to kill their sense of smell in order to tolerate life among millions of unburied rotting corpses on the trenches of WW1.
Cigarettes and tobacco consumption are red-pilled as fuck.
>>76191665
People should be lashed to insanity for smoking.
>>76194661
There isn't a whole lot you can do to scare people off of weed without resorting to distorting truth and outright lying. A good case to be made to children is that it makes you feel good doing nothing, and that the reason that's dangerous is because it makes it too easy to do nothing all and not care that you did, analogizing it to an instance where they might have lost track of time playing video games or something but missed something else that was more important to them, then show instances of people who've wasted years doing just that with their lives rather than resorting to trying to scare kids off with reefer madness type hysteria.
>>76195210
Adolecents and young adults, particularly from lower middle-class to outright poor-tier, often see smoking as an adult thing, based as you said on examples around them of parents and other adults smoking.
>>76195396
Economic flight hit my area, leaving a hole between retirees and young people, where anyone with any sense moved for work and the rest sat and drank/smoked/bred while being poor.
>>76195961
>Tobacco
>Narcotic
Maybe you should pass GCSE English before you start using big words to sound intelligent Mohammed
>>76195961
>smokers
>narcotic substance
Talk about waste of space.
>>76192111
checked
and bringin the heat
>>76191665
Smoking isn't bad when you do it right, which is to not inhale. Snuff is an option, too.
Personally I prefer a light, sweet tobacco, smoked from a corn-cob pipe with a filter. But I've got a few wooden pipes. Coat the inside of the bowl with some raw honey, and sprinkle a little cocoa in with the tobacco... yum.
But at this point, modern medicine is far more harmful than tobacco, so ask them for a list of the medications they (or if they're young, their parents) take, and school them on the insane side-effects.
>>76195095
It is.
(here's your (you))
>>76195734
ever walked up to a guy drinking beer and told him you should stop drinking, its bad for you. I wonder how that person would respond, maybe, none of your fucking business ?
>>76196361
>Thinking cigars don't cause equal amounts of mouth cancer as cigarettes do lung cancer
>>76195961
>Degenerate
You've been on the internet too long, belting out more fumes from all your electricity being on.
Time to turn off the computer, get rid of the router/hub whatever and start practicing what you seem to be preaching.
You are a hypocrite.
>>76196094
They should just be put to death because they really are a drain on services, not to mention resources and food because they eat too much.
>>76195951
I thought they introduced a sugary drink tax already? Jamie Oliver was really happy about it?
>>76191665
It's not hurting anyone else to cut your hand off but you probably shouldn't do that either.
>>76196191
No, it's called debate and calling out hypocrisy.
I know Muslims such as yourself have no concept of what those things are but if you don't know, don't post.
Thanks for bumping the thread though.
>>76196249
At least I'd imagine it's cheap to buy property there. Though on the flip side if you already owned property that property's value would tank.
>>76196268
>>76196264
HAH I just noticed it.
Anti smokers everyone lel...
>>76196495
>Drug addicts overdosing on heroine they traded their TV and virginity for are exactly the same as someone using a computer guys!
>>76196249
But it can actually damage people, but most of the people are mostly minority groups like schizophrenics. What I think is that the ads against marihuana aren't working because the drug is actually revered in other forms of media likes movies, unlike tobacco, who gradually disappeared from the media.
>>76191665
Second hand smoke does harm small children... so yeah...
>>76196723
>He talks about a substance that is banned and lists the cons of the substance being banned
>Calling for cigarettes to be banned so that smokers end up like heroin addicts, selling themselves, robbing people and creating even more problems.
Thank you for proving my point that banning doesn't work.
You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?
>>76196494
>Thinking a cigar is a pipe
Wew, lad.
>>76196502
But that is actually illegal, you puritan anti-disabled
bigot.
Tobacco is the one degenerate hobby I'm totally onboard with, at least it kills you faster. If only marijuana were as bad for your health as tobacco.
>>76195961
>TOBACCO
>NARCOTIC
GET A LOAF OF THIS FAGBREAD
>>76196860
... I would just stop smoking I wouldn't be a prostitute. Are you people aware of what a cigarette is?
>>76197020
And yet you could get hit by a car tomorrow.
BAM. I could smoke my whole life without problem, as others have.
You could quite literally get BTFO by some nigger wielding a gun.
Your point is null and void.
Fuck off.
>>76196860
>Calling for cigarettes to be banned
>>76194372
>but if that's how they want to fuck themselves up then so be it.
At no point did I ever said that I wanted smoking banned. If someone wants to take drugs, it's their choice.
>Calling for cigarettes to be banned so that smokers end up like heroin addicts, selling themselves, robbing people and creating even more problems.
Because nobody's ever robbed a house or sold themselves to legally purchase alcohol, have they? AA is just a myth...
>>76196807
>muh cildren
But I am not advocating smoking around children or anyone who doesn't want to be near a smoker. Cigarette smokers here are more respectful in that sense than mj smokers, and it isn't even legal yet.
>>76197108
That's you personally, I talked about supply and demand in my previous posts, if there's a demand for a substance I.E cigarettes, then there will be a supply and anti smokers seem to think that demand will cease if smokings banned.
He used an example of heroin, where people sell themselves, rob, kill to get their fix. If pushed, smokers will do that to get what they want.
You personally might quit, I will probably quit but they'll be people that won't, they'll be unscrupulous characters that will sell cigarettes illegally, depriving the state of a profit and it will lead to a waste of resources devoted to tackling and enforcing the ban on smoking, as has been seen with the war on drugs.
Relaxation of the laws need to be put in place, not more laws that are even tighter and create more problems than they solve.
Please read my other posts before commenting and appearing to look clever alright boyo?
There's a good darling.
>>76196158
>Conservatism is about values
And those values include concept of authority, if you believe people are free to do shit that will harm them, then you are a liberal. You might still be salvaged from that camp by other believes, but you'll never be a "hyperconservative".
>Nanny-statism
Thats exactly what I am speaking about. You New Worlders invent words for shit thats already named.
>>76197338
>Cigarette smokers here are more respectful i
Bullshit. I've been to your shithole island
>>76197414
I would try to explain why your reasoning is flawed but I know I wouldn't be able to get it through your balding british head, kill yourself.
>>76197268
>Because nobody's ever robbed a house or sold themselves to legally purchase alcohol, have they? AA is just a myth...
I don't doubt it, people walk into Tesco or off licences and steal alcohol.
You may not be outright advocating for a ban on smoking but you're pushing toward it by your current course of action and it's that that's dangerous as much as banning it outright.
You are part of the problem with society, your precious feely wheelies and drive to ban/outlaw/get rid of things creates far more problems than currently exist.
Deal with it.
>>76197414
Based Brit, greatest ally.
>>76197505
No. Conservatism does not include authority - it's why conservatives are anti-big government.
It's funny though since we literally dominate the entire world. Our words are used more than yours.
>>76197615
By all means please do explain why my reasoning is flawed, then I can counteract your view with an opposing opinion.
Instead you've chosen to insult me, probably because you have no rebuttal to my reasonable, well versed argument.
Fatty McFatFuck, insults are easy on here, debate isn't, which is why you won't bother to argue me because you know and I know you will lose.
But by all means my fat, balding friend, throw what you have at me.
>>76197631
>you're pushing toward it by your current course of action
Shaming negative actions is not the same as wanting them banned.
>>76197716
Thank you my love.
>>76197631
>I don't want smoking banned
>BUT YOU REALLY DO, HUH, DON'T YA?
I hear withdrawal causes paranoid feelings. Been an hour since your last fix already?
If you want to smoke then I won't stop you, but acting like drug addiction isn't a pitiful low that shouldn't be shamed is silly.
>>76197903
Oh but it is, by proxy it is. You are trying to phase something out you don't like to have it removed by another means, ostracisation/bullying tactics.
Doesn't matter how you want to dress it up, it will ultimately lead to the same thing and what the fuck gives you the right to shame smokers?
How about I shame you and your father for making gay porn movies with a bunch of niggers?
How'd you like that? No you wouldn't want me doing that would you, because you like your freedom, you're a champion of freedom, except when it's something you disagree with.
You're worse than libshits that claim FREE SPEECH FOR ALL, EXCEPT WHEN IT HURTS MY FEELINGS, BAN IT BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN OSTRACISE AND INSULT IT, TAR AND FEATHER THEM WHILST I DRIVE MY 4x4 THAT'S BELTING OUT MORE FUMES!!
Hurrrr......
Ill just leave this here.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/12/study-finds-no-link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/#1e8abe7c623f
>>76191665
>>Anon, you should stop smoking, it's bad for you.
Do you need to learn the difference between should and have to? fucking retard.
>>76198035
You can shame it as much as you like so long as you keep your hands to your fucking self, and don't support anyone else fucking with people who aren't hurting anyone else.
>>76198035
>I have no rebuttal
>Go in for personal attacks
Yep, you've run out of arguments, and no I'm smoking a cigarette right now with a lovely cup of tea.
If I ever see you or an anti smoking nazi in the street, I'm going to smoke in your face and I'm going to stub my cigarette out on your forehead and do you know what you're going to do? You're going to smile at me and say "Thank you for propping up the NHS based smoker".
That's what you're going to do.
>>76193568
Don't you know about third hand smoke?
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/expert-answers/third-hand-smoke/faq-20057791
It's the deadliest killer.
>>76198277
Wow it's like if you only inhale smoke heavily diluted with air once in a while nothing will happen to you! WOAH
>>76198277
top fucking lel.
>>76191665
Passive smoking.Here's your (you)
>>76191665
>what is passive smoking
You can smoke all you want as long as you do it in your private gas chamber.
>>76191835
>fashy
Fucking kill yourself you britcuck
>>76191776
HEALTH AT EVERY SMOKE SHITLORD
>>76191665
>people should do what they want as long as they don't directly harm anybody
What if I told you that's actually bullshit and people should do what's best for everybody
>>76198562
If you're not inside it's not even a fraction as unhealthy for other people as simple car exhaust is (which itself isn't even that bad).
>>76197615
So are you going to debate me or not?
I'm waiting for you to provide an argument and not insults.
>>76196114
Dont worry, I don't love nor ai am l9ved by anybody.
>>76194462
omg smoking causes maggots in the mouth? That's heavy.
>>76198749
Shuuu shuu with your positive thoughts....
>>76198562
My nigga across the globe
>>76198998
That's meth mouth. That's not a maggot.
>>76197786
>Conservatism does not include authority
Authority is literally THE thing of conservatism. Authority of parent over child, wise men over the mob, nation over borders. Conservative society is not an egalitarian one.
>it's why conservatives are anti-big government.
Because they've lost the ideological battle and blended into liberals. Also state is NOT the only authority in the country.
>Our words are used more than yours.
And thats a bad thing, considering average American's education.
>>76191909
You fucking spic this had nothing to do with you
>>76198255
Negative behaviors deserve to be shamed. Saying that a drug-addict should be loved and hugged for their specialness is no different than tumblr's screeching about fat-acceptance or bigotry towards transdemifictivekin. If a kid starts eating glue or running with scissors, we tell them that it's not acceptable even if he's the only one at risk.
I'm sorry that you have to live in a world where you can't mainline heroine while naked in the middle of the street and shitting down your own leg, but shaming of negative behaviors is part of living in a civilised society
>I'M GONNA BLOW SMOKE IN YOUR FACE AND TELEPORT BEHIND YOU WITH MY KATANA
Of course you are, deary. Hope you don't get out of breath doing it~
>>76198562
That was a really good series.
>>76198255
People should be shamed for doing bad things. That's how society works, you do bad things then people shame you so things like that won't be done as much.
>>76199126
lol....
I said that the law should be relaxed on all fronts, a profit should continue to be made off smoking and other drugs, take power away from illicit dealers that taint and ruin products in order to maximise profit margins, whilst hiking the prices up, driving people into crime.
With the loss of revenue from smoking, said revenue isn't spent on the police to tackle real crimes, the NHS then gets defunded by a large amount as smoking produces a revenue for the NHS and isn't a drain.
It's a common sense approach to tackling a lot of problems and diverting funds to where they really need to go.
Like locking you statists up in concentration camps.
lel.
And I stand by what I said, if I see an anti smoking nazi in the street I will blow smoke in their face, I will stub my cigarette out on there forehead and they will say "Thank you sir smoker for providing a profit to keep the NHS alive".
Deal with it.
>>76199093
No. Your goat-fucking definitions aren't what Americans use. Your words carry no weight.
Even if you call second hand smoke a meme, you're still responsible for all those kids following your bad example and ruining their otherwise healthy bodies. Children haven't mastered judgment and can't see you for the retards you are, that makes you responsible for every little wanker who's got COPD and will never breathe right again.
>>76199453
So you have no problem with me shaming people for being fat, for driving cars, for using the internet, for using smart phones, for living in a house, for turning on the central heating in winter, for riding bikes etc..
Right? They all stem from bad things that harm the air we breathe, surely if smoking is so bad that it deserves to be tarred and shamed then so does all the other things I listed.
And you should be shaming them as well, because they harm your air too, and you're the one that is ardent in shaming things that are "bad".
Go get a placard and protest outside a phone shop our outside your own house for all the poison you pump into the air.
Oh no you won't do that because you like to pick and chose, stay hypocritical.
>>76199693
You don't get to make up your own definitions...
>>76191776
Junkies are worse but the left defends them
>>76199895
I don't have to since they're already there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States
>>76199971
There's no reason for a conservatism "in the United States", there's just conservatism. If you don't like authority, you're liberal.
>>76191776
Do you walk up to people eating unhealthy foods they should stop?
No? Why is that? Oh its because you're a fucking faggot
>>76199968
Actually you'll find those that want liberalisation and relaxation of drug legislation tend to be more to the right of politics and the free market because it's common sense to relax the law on these matters.
Police services are better spent as I said before, tackling paedo rings in Rotherham, rather than lashing and locking up a smoker for 1 billion years for daring to smoke a cigarette.
That desire to ban falls into the statist spectrum, more to the left.
>>76191665
I usually don't give a shit about smoking, but what if I'm genuinely concerned about the health of my friends or family?
Is it OK to suggest quitting or what should I do?
>>76200191
>being on the right means being opposed to government
m8...
>>76191665
Feel free to smoke as much as you want, but don't do it near me and don't ask for my tax dollars when you get cancer.
It's the same with weed. I don't give a fuck if you smoke pot in your living room, but if you do it next to my AC intake you're gonna eat baton.
>>76200285
Did I say that you fucking retard.
No I didn't.
>>76200257
If you know someone who smokes you should encourage them to stop, if you care about them.
>>76199854
Yes, you can shame people if their behavior is detrimental for those around them, it's their civic duty to be decent human beings. If they don't wanna, they should leave civilization behind.
>>76191665
Except smokers are a huge financial drain on the companies they work for, on the medical system, and especially when they retire.
If it was up to me, I wouldn't hire anybody who came to work smelling like cigarettes.
>>76200488
>telling people what to do
Typical amerifat nanny-statist.
I believe in freedom
>>76199555
>I said that the law should be relaxed on all fronts
And that's fine, but that's not gonna stop people from rightfully shaming you for being a junkie. Just because they're paying extra tax by feeding your habit doesn't mean being a drug addict stops being pathetic.
At best, your family around the dinner table are going to pretend uncle Bob isn't addicted to meth, assuming they don't push for involuntary commitment.
>>76199693
Mind your words, Tyrone, we have less goatfuckers than you do.
>aren't what Americans use
Because American "coonservatives" are liberals in disguise.
>Your words carry no weight.
In times when immigrant is more than local, fag is more than decent man and guy who dresses like a woman is hailed a hero it might be good thing.
There is a literal MEMETIC WAR GOING ON, so seriously, who gives a fuck?
Want to learn psyops and reverse shill shills?
>>76197890
>>76197890
>>76197890
>>76200623
>If it was up to me, I wouldn't hire anybody who came to work smelling like cigarettes.
Joke would be on you: I only smoke at home so I don't bother anyone. You would never know that I smoke.
>>76191665
Because you retards bother other people with the smoke
>>76200628
Freedom without values is just degeneracy.
>>76200633
Shame away, but seeing as smokers in the UK at least contribute more to the NHS than they take back in terms of treatment for smoking related illnesses, I am well within my right to deny you access to the health care system that I and millions of other smokers pay for.
You don't deserve to use MY NHS. Not yours, MINE.
In fact, I'd go as far as saying you should be banned from accessing it, seeing as you don't pay your way in comparison to smokers.
NO NHS FOR YOU!
>>76200797
>You would never know that I smoke.
Then the joke wouldn't be on him, because you wouldn't be coming to work smelling like cigarettes.
>>76191776
>British flag
>restricting freedom
>1776
TRIGGERED AS FUCKKKKK
DIE BRITISH DIE KILL ALL REDCOATS NOW
>>76200962
It would because he despises smokers. He just uses that to identify them.
>>76200906
>I'm a junkie but that makes me a HERO!
I'm sure your friends and family are very proud.
>>76201125
Read the thread, there's a shit load of Americans that are advocating the same thing.
>>76200813
Let's ban eating fast food on the train and breastfeeding babies in public then as well.
>>76201215
>posting anime
Yep, jobless NEET confirmed.
I'm sure your family are very proud of you too.
>>76191776
>1776
>trying to justify a FUCKING TAX (that i agree with)
>being QUENTISSENTIALLY BRITISH
IF I COULD HIDE BEHIND A TREE WITH A BLACK POWDER MUSKET AND SHOOT AT YOU WHILE YOU WERE IN AN OPEN FIELD I FUCKING WOULD
>>76200813
Grow a pair. And I don't even smoke cigarettes.
> muh asthma from all the jew inbreeding!
>>76191665
>>people should do what they want as long as they don't directly harm anybody It's the current year
Shit libtards say. KYS.
>>76191776
>1776
>british
>imposing taxes
>this kills the american
>>76201315
>Can't face the reality that junkies are rightfully considered to be on the bottom rung of society
>W-WELL YOU POSTED AN ANIME PICTURE SO NOTHING YOU SAY COUNTS
>>76200962
Prepare to be sued for either discrimination or wrongful dismissal.
There's no laws in place to protect your stance on refusing someone a job for being a smoker.
There is if they do drugs and they come to work high as a kite.
But smoking? Nah, enjoy your business going under because you have to pay out compensation and loss of earnings etc.
>>76191956
MERICA
>>76197338
That is absolute horseshit and you know it. If you ask a smoker to go elsewhere, you're instantly responded to with shit like "MUH FREEDUM ITS LEGAL WAT U GONNA DO FAGGIT"
I swear, one of these days I'm gonna start putting out their cigs in their eyes.
>>76201252
EAT BAYONET YOU FUCKING LOYALIST
GIVE LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
>>76200906
>>76200633
God I hate nationalized healthcare it's so fucking disgusting, just look at how sad and petulant you've become, instead of independence, you group think.
>>76201615
Your hero Trump openly claimed that non-smokers are more successful in life
>>76201506
>Can't handle the fact that "junkies" contribute more than they take back
>Is more than happy to reap the benefits of "junkies" paying more tax so he can have his monthly dose of female hormones to transition
>I know, I'll post reaction images! THAT'LL SHOW HIM!
Do I need to check my privileges as well? And what do I call you? Xi? Xe? Shim?
>>76191776
Dem digits
>>76201652
Group think is our natural state, humans have not evolved as individualistic creatures.
Why are you ilk so afraid of doing as you're told?
>>76200628
Encouraging people to better themselves is not being a nanny-stater. Why are you Brits so fucking retarded?
>>76201515
>implying you need to give a reason for why your not hiring/firing someone
And it doesn't matter, discrimination laws don't cover smokers,
>>76200623
>financial drain
>cigarette pack price is literally 80% tax
HMMMMMMMMMMMM who's getting drained here
>>76202020
>And it doesn't matter, discrimination laws don't cover smokers,
Actually you do need to a reason as to why you sack someone, sack me from my job for smoking, I'm taking you to court for wrongful dismissal, especially if my work is productive, punctual and fits all the criteria and needs of the business and there's fuck all you can do about it because even if you turned around in the courtroom and said "Oh I sacked him because he smokes in his free time". That has no impact on the work place at all, drugs yes, cigarettes no as they're legal.
You stand no chance, and I'll push for punitive damages as well. As I said, enjoy the collapse of your business.
>>76201738
>>Can't handle the fact that "junkies" contribute more than they take back
A pedophile who volunteers at a soup-kitchen is still a pedophile. Just because the government profits off your addiction doesn't mean it's any less pathetic.
Nothing is more tumblr than someone who thinks they shouldn't be judged for their poor choices in life.
>>76201835
>doing what you're told
Because I'm individualist and not a cuck, nothing good ever comes from group think.
>>76202286
Solution: Make cigarettes gradually illegal.
>>76200138
You can use your poverty definitions all you want senpai.
>>76202531
I'm on my phone so I don't have any fedora images to post, but I'm letting you know you're being a real fucking autismo right now.
You can't survive on your own, what makes you believe individualism is a valid mindset?
Fuck smokers, worst people to work with.
>Always smell like shit
>Always trying to sneak off for a five minute break, will come back talking about the huge shit they took but everyone can smell the cheap tobacco
>Will throw tantrums like a 10 year old girl if their actual smoke break is delayed by even 5 seconds, will often take off a few minutes early just for a few extra puffs
>Constantly hang around the front where customers have to walk through their miasma of tar and chemicals
>Throw butts all over the gardens and lawn despite the half dozen ash pits the company as supplied
Smokers are generally the worst sort of people since they lack even the simple willpower not to slowly kill themselves. I'd never say they shouldn't be allowed their vice but the way they go about being as big of a drain as possible to their surroundings is just sickening.
>>76201704
>>76201252
See
>>76201372
Do you idiots even read?
1776 poster I hope your Brexit succeeds, you rise to greatness again, you single handedly conquer the EU, and The United States and become the New World Order just so we can have ANOTHER REVOLUTIONARY WAR IN 2076 AND BTFO YOU REDCOAT WEARING FUCKS
I will be an old man by then, but you better believe I am going to live long enough to overthrow the crown once more if it looks like this could happen
Fucking British trying to tax my people through memes without even letting me vote on wether or not he gets to shitpost
And no i don't smoke, that is disgusting and degenerate
>>76202286
>you do need to a reason as to why you sack someone
Maybe in your shithole, not in The Great State of Florida.
>sack me from my job for smoking, I'm taking you to court for wrongful dismissal
You'd have no grounds to do so
>>76200666
You have considerably more goatfuckers than us, poverty-boy. You're poor for a reason.
>>76202870
>you better believe I am going to live long enough
not if you don't quit smoking soon, famalam
>>76202822
>fedora meme
>proposes making cigarettes illegal
Your the moron who should be wearing the wearing the fedora, proposing ludicrous things which will never become reality.
>ban degeneracy goyim
>Lel guys pretty soon 4th Reich will come back right goys?
>People should be allowed to do what they want if it doesn't harm others or restrict their liberties, but I advocate against smoking because, while it should be allowed, I think people would be better off if they were persuaded not to smoke and then chose to stop of their own volition.
WOW IT'S LIKE OPINIONS CAN BE NUANCED OR SOMETHING
>>76203031
nvm, didn't read your post all the way through
>>76194285
80bucks a week for roll-your-own-tobacco??? Lol that's fucked. Find, online, a way to fill that need. FFS $80 a week for shit tier tobacco is fucking retarded.
>>76191776
My sin taxes pay for it m8. Smokes are $13 a pack for a reason.
>>76191665
you harm other people with 2nd hand smoke too, you know? I don't wanna smell or inhale your cancerous trash fumes, you degenerate chimney fucker.
>>76191776
>le drain on the healthcare system meme
I'm so sick of this shitty fucking meme. The taxes gained outweigh the "drain" and this logic could be applied to high sodium foods, high fat foods, sugary foods, candy, soda, pizza, etc
>>76202535
It's honestly difficult sometimes for me to believe a person is capable of such low-level reasoning.
>>76202911
This is an absolute bullshit chart and it has been widely discredited.
>>76203199
You are German anyway, just don't let your digits be >>xxxx1944 when you say something like
>Americans are too cucked to fight
Unless you want your beaches stormed
Sorry for killing the good people of europe to help commie jews
>>76191665
Smoking makes you a retard.
>>76203109
Bhutan successfully banned tobacco consumption. If they can do it, so can we. It's not impossible. We'll just have to do it gradually. First step will be outlawing smoking in all public spaces.
>>76203563
There's an asterisk on the U.S. entry for a reason.
There's always more though.
>>76202911
How so? Our Muslims count less than 0,1%, while in your country they compose 1% of your society. Unless you´ve meant Slovaks, that would be very rude.
>You're poor for a reason.
Which is called communism, your point?
>>76203548
There's no reason not to.
>but I wanna do what I want
Doesn't count.
>>76203803
This is a more accurate chart. The first one was proven incorrect and represented a small and questionable sample size
>>76203848
You don't have to be a muslim to fuck goats. There's just a high correlation between muslims and a tendency to fuck goats.
My point is that you being poor makes you poor. You can take that however you like.
>>76203728
>Bhutan
>comparing some shit-tier Asian monarchy that recently had it's first elections to Europe
Lel, if the chinks can do it so can we, let's disregard cultural differences.
>>76203893
I'm against smoking. That doesn't mean I find it acceptable to shoot you for smoking. You have no problem with that though, which essentially just makes you a nigger.
