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>what's going on in Venezuela?
Chavismo = faggotto
Socialism.
>select all the food
kek
>>76190653
They're feeling the Bern.
>>76190653
They are paying the price of having us as their neighbours.
Also, Iraq 2.0
pic should be related.
Comunism, hunger, unemployment, chaos, poverty.
Remember folks, Better Dead Than Red
Daily reminder Venezuela is NOT suffering from socialism, but from a LACK of socialism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9jASLItfkk
>>76191087
Shhh, it's all Chavez fault.
>>76190653
>government robs all businesses blind in the name of socialism
>wait where are you guys going
>>76191268
It's Chavez's fault for not seizing all means of production and distribution. Ironically, those same co-ops he set up are responsible for hoarding supply.
>>76190653
Socialism!
>>76191393
Except Venezuela isn't socialist. It's not even market socialist a la Yugoslavia or Libya. It's SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC like Sweden.
>>76191087
The government themselves are blocking the poor and aren't even aware of it. That's socialism for you.
>>76191812
>Venezuela
>Democracy
Pick one. Top Fucking kek.
>>76191812
>SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC
>SOCIAL - where the government is for itself and its own power
>DEMOCRATIC - predetermined elections galore
>>76191812
Don't try that here man, everything is communism for people here.
Also, >>76191480 this is true, but for me the biggest mistake was to give to Maduro his "vote of confidence" instead of Diosdado Cabello.
Cabello was and is better prepared to lead the Revolution.
>>76192009
>>76192148
The point is, Venezuela is still capitalist. It's not any more socialist than Sweden or Denmark.
>>76192151
>based colombia
>>76192274
Everything that works has always been capitalist, and always will be. As long as people still survive there, it will be because there is an unregulated capitalist black market that hasn't been destroyed by fanatical socialists yet.
The more capitalism they smash, for any reason, the worse things will get. If they ever manage to go completely socialist, they will then do what Jonestown did, on as large a scale as needed.
>>76192570
Man, you wouldn't believe the histoires I have from all that's happening over there.
It's a shame people don't know what's really happening and start to talk shit.
>>76191087
>this socialism sucks
>it's almost as if party elite and favored individuals emerge from every system
>it's almost as if creating a system in which everyone except the party elite and favored individuals must be at a certain level of poverty
>it's almost like this happens EVERY TIME socialism is tried
>the obvious answer is more socialism
>from a fucking commie jew based in the US , using US infrastructure and earning a living off the same system he wants destroyed
McCarthy was 100% right.
>>76192151
If they had, you would be saying the cause of Venezuela's collapse is because they gave the leadership position to Cabello, and that Maduro was and is better prepared to lead the Revolution.
The only thing socialists never run out of is excuses.
>>76190653
Socialist paradise in the works.
Nothing, we are doing fine, just look a this beach in Venezuela
>>76193085
>>76193221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0ua1n1Bsfg
>>76192274
In Venezuela we can't capitalize the money. The government has a exchange currency control and prices control. We can't generate profits from our goods.
>>76193085
Got the full vid for that .webm?
>>76193941
That's not socialism though.
>>76190962
>>76194111
>it isn't socialist because i say it
>>76194718
Socialism = dictatorship of the proletariat, workers' control of the means of production, destruction of the law of value
How the fuck are price controls "socialist" in that sense?
>>76194812
Because private property is abolished. That's what Marx defined it as.
>>76190962
jej
>>76194812
Price controls are just a mean to destroy private property and let the proletariat take over the means of production.
>>76193527
Do you think the Russian Mafia appreaed out of nowhere once the USSR fell? Do you think that individualistic in favor of capitalism and their own profit do not exist in a society where the concept is not taught? Do you think any amount of government force can possibly stop it, especially once thier shitty system falls apart at the seams?
No, the grocer who is 'hoarding' food becasue he is not sure when or where the next delivery is going to happen is not the culprit, he is an individual that does not want to be driven to ruin and starvation by the government's policies.
>>76194111
It will never work on a country scale. Communist or proto communist communes work because the population need each other and have a vested emotional and financial interest in seeing each other succeed.
Emphasis on see. communism falls apart if say, the grocer ever questions why he should be helping the drug addict in the slums who doesn't work a day in his life or why HIS store should shut down becasue the government is run by people who have never worked a day in their lives AND are subsidized but even more so than the addict.
Venezuelan that managed to move to the states here.
I honestly do not exaggerate when I say Caracas is the closest thing to a real life mega city one.
Also calling us socialis democrats is a joke, the government is full on commie mode right now. People are so desperate for food thst they're eating out of trash, and our youth is basically being harassed by militants to stay away from schools. There are roaming biker gangs thst steal people who are carrying supermarket food and there are fucking ork wartrukks full of people who grab and rape girls. There's a giant community of homeless people, including young teenagers, who have a fucking plague of fungus disease that makes them look like lepers. You can't walk anywhere without dealing with thugs, and even worse, la guardia is basically in on it and outright mug people at gunpoint and get away with it. My friend died because those fuckers saw him get knifed in the long and instead of taking him to the hospital, they just dragged him to his home and left him there to die.
The truth is this is kind of an ethnic thing. The government and the military specifically has been overrun with Cuban militants who work for Cuban interests and not venezuelas, they treat us like shit, and the kicker is they get the refugee benefits. And there are cubans with an attitude about it too, they sneer at venezuelans.
It's a fucking injustice. I recommend you go look st a site called maduradas.com. translate it if you want, but the pictures say enough on their own to show you just how bad it really is. I'm lucky I got out of there with just a lightly burned leg.
>>76190962
kek
>>76192274
Get outta her frogeater.
Sweden and Denmark has at least been smart enough to know that the people and the market will set into an equilibrium, if given the opportunity. That's why you'll find these countries ranking top 5 on free market / free trade indices.
Venezuela was not that smart.
>>76190653
Socialism ran out of other people's money.
Disaster relief appeal when
>>76190653
Socialism reaching it's inevitable conclusion.
>>76191066
pretty sure op was being ironic
>>76190653
Same shit that is happening across South America and other socialist states
Government intervention gets too large, pricing information gets distorted, labour and capital is ineffectively applied.
Boring, 101 economic mistakes.
>>76191087
Holy fuck that commie is delusional.
That guy is foreign executive, he lives in area where people and shopkeepers have access to foreign currency easily. Basically millionaires with connections and given how corrupt Latin American countries are... probably Socialist Party elite.
Normal people from middle class down are getting fucked hard because Socialists set up price controls on basic foods like maize, flour, milk and so on. Fine idea, but dictated price is set so low that favela monkeys can afford 'em you end up in situation where it makes absolutely no sense at all for farmers to produce said basic items as they gain nothing from it, more likely made losses producing basic foods. Even before oil price went down and Venezuela got fucked by hyperinflation, they imported food. Once farmers started to switch to crops that allowed them to break even, imports increased. Since those items were cheap as dirt people started to smuggle 'em to neighboring countries like Colombia to make hefty profits. Stuff Venezuelan government imported with tax money and oil profits.
That is criminally incompetent populist socialism running amok.
>>76193288
cant wait to visit!
>>76195193
>fucking ork wartrukks full of people who grab and rape girls
>young teenagers, who have a fucking plague of fungus disease that makes them look like lepers
Wat
>>76190962
Yea because socialism in Venezuela with the fucking mafia running the country is the same as Bernie sanders in America you fucking tard.
Socialism MEMES xD
>>76195686
I've seen it, man. Granted the ork wartrukks were mostly during the elections, but I remember going out and always seeing at least one homeless kid whose leg looked like some shit out of the last of us. And I lover in one of the less shitty parts of caracas.
>>76195106
Doubtful.
>>76195020
Venezuela hasn't abolished property yet.
>>76194718
Look at socialism in nordic countries, you know, where it actually works. Not your shit hole 3rd world country ran by gangsters.
>>76195644
Yes, unfortunately Jason Caden isn't the brightest crayon in the box.
>Maduro recently said that south americans countries should not abandon Venezuela
Top lel, what is next a EU esque organization with only south american just to sustain Venezuela
>>76191087
>>76191480
>>76191812
>>76192274
>>76193527
>>76194111
>>76194812
>>76195719
>>76196063
>>76196001
During election time its always insanity time i grant you that but i've seen no lepers in Caracas.
>>76195193
>work for Cuban interests and not venezuelas
I never heard "cuban" as a euphamism for jews before, anon.
>>76192148
Social democrats have been for free market economy since 1920's in Nordic countries. Unlike market liberals they just support reasonable government participation in economy. Government is free to set up government owned companies or to own stocks of some companies. Usually strategic sectors like energy, communications, logistics and defense.
>>76195587
>labour and capital is ineffectively applied
This, Thomas Sowell explains it all in his book: Basic Economics
>>76196385
Cubans are descended from Iberian Jews that got tired of hiding in Europe.
>>76196385
It's not even higher echelon white jews, anon, we're being cucked by full on brown farmer tier cubans in berets.
>>76194812
Through prices's control the private property doesn't exist anymore; the private property is abolished. So if you own a factory that still is on production, you just will be working for the government as a manager of that factory. The government don't allow you to generate profits. They demand you goods and if you don't want to cooperate the government will expropriate your factory. The workers aren't under your domain anymore, they aren't working for you anymore. The became the owners as you just manages under a salary estimated by the government
By other side, the workers are still doing good when the government has stablished low prices and high minimum wage. The plusvalia became a thing then.
What's gonna happen to Venezuela?
>>76195719
The only difference is that Bernie's mafia goons aren't in power yet, and hopefully never will be.
>>76196081
They're not socialist. They're capitalist.
>>76196842
They will become colombian clay once again
>>76190653
Maduro went from cuba-mode to gulag-mode in less than a month.
worry.jpg
>>76191812
>>76192274
>venelueza
>capitalist in any fucking way
>when their government actively abolish private property all the fucking time
>frog commie apologist
Fuck off.
>>76192151
>everything is communism for people here
Because it "technically" is you moron, our state is a crony capitalistic mess which is basically as nepotic and laughable as communism but with money, a disgusting protectionism that even fucks over our companies and a false sense of entrepreneurship freedom.
But go on, bet you love Petro/Peñalosa, which are basically opposite sides of the same fucking rusted and foul-smelling coin.
>>76196081
Nordic countries are under right wing governments and socialist policies. They aren't even trying to drive those countries into a socialist system. Their constitutions don't allow them to become a socialist country
>>76196202
My country isn't a 3rd world shit hole collapsing on itself, i didn't even have to try with you.
>>76191087
>Government regulations makes food expensive as fuck
>Only rich can afford them now
>It's the rich peoples fault
>>76197570
>Nordic countries are under right wing governments and socialist policies. They aren't even trying to drive those countries into a socialist system. Their constitutions don't allow them to become a socialist country
Unlike Venezuela we have actual rule of law, much lower corruption and far less incompetent bureaucracy.
>>76195719
The American constitution doesn't allow a socialism system by itself. Still Bernie is a right wing conservative, he just want to fix the capitalist mistakes so the capitalist economic system will function as it must.
>>76195719
>>76190742
Hurrah hurrah hurrah
Socialism and misery! People have resorted to cannibalism, and eating pets. Because they expected handouts and less work.
The situation with industry there is hilariously tragic.
>Cant purchase shit from overseas because at this point all counterparties require full pre-payment
>The only way to obtain USDs is through the black market at ridiculous price, making production cost very high
>Can't compensate this cost by jacking the prices because socialist government enforces price controls.
>If you do nothing, the government nationalises your property
>>76190653
socialism at its finest...apolaypse
>>76190962
kek
>>76198451
Good luck explaining this to /pol/, they don't care and just wanna meme. I'm not even voting Sanders and i understand the importance of a more left leaning socialist party in America.
>>76197359
Socialism was created by capitalist, oy vey
CIA is continuing the work they started in their 2002 coup.
>>76195719
You people are all the same, NO NO........THAT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM
It's not slavery, it's DEMOCRATIC slavery!
>>76199184
looks like our operations are working boys.
their collapsing harder than ever
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Lol who cares i just posted very relevant information and people shitpost into these threads.
>>76198451
>American constitution doesn't allow
Nobody gives a shit about the constitution. There is literally no entity to enforce it when the government violates it.
The 1st and 4th amendment have been buttufcked especially viciously in the last 10 years.
>>76195719
socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive
a corporation under capitalism appears to be very socialistic when you have meritocratic paternalist leadership, such as under Henry Ford. Economic planning is centralized.
Likewise, all socialist countries are, in a way, capitalist megacorps- competing firms in a global capitalist market.
All systems will have some aspects of both to a degree. The quality of people that make up these systems and their culture is what matters more.
>>76199260
No it wasn't you fucking idiot.
>>76199490
How are you going to tell me that Venezuela was socialist? I bet you can't.
Just face it /pol/ it's easier for you to shit post and meme about how socialists are cucks and it never works because none of you here could even begin to articulate why Venezuela is a terrible example of Socialism.
>>76199184
Why do you like government handouts so much my friend?
>>76190653
What the duck is wrong with that guys arm?!
Venezuela is capitalist, social democrat. They're getting rekt becuse of USA embargo plus incompetent government.
>>76199930
SCOTUS will not allow a socialist system. May the constitution was violated in the last 10 years but it wasn't violated trying to apply a socialist government.
>>76200513
i've received 0 handouts compared to the crony capitalists getting free bail outs on taxpayer money.
MUH CAPITALISM WORKS MEMES xD
>>76200645
We aren't under USA embargo
>>76200766
You haven't answered the question.
Why do you advocate for a system which supports a welfare state?
I went to Venezuela for bussiness deal(exchanging dollars for old venezuela books unavaible online) I gave dollars trough online account
AMA about Venezuela
>>76199184
For socialism to work it needs to be xenophobic and put the nation above all, the current batch of leftists are not my brothers and the shitskins they wish to import en-mass need to be exterminated.
I used to be a socialist but now I understand that there needs to be a base of a strong nation to build the on and until that happens I will be a nationalist capitalist.
>>76200653
la gente rica tiene derecho a ser muy rica.
el socialismo viola el derecho a la propiedad privada.
>>76200766
>crony capitalists getting free bail outs on taxpayer money.
Business owners getting handouts from the government is quite opposite of free market.
Or is your definition of capitalism just "Private companies exist"?
>>76201011
Do they have smartphones? Do they have internet? What kind of computers do they have? How do they buy the computers? Are you white?
>>76195193
in cuban reggeton is illegal
in venezuela Rosita, the prostitute, is considerd well-liked
cubans have THE RIGHT to sneer at venezuelans.
you are inferior
>>76201436
some
yes
shitty ones, from the 90's
they use old ones they had from before socialism crisis
i am caucasian
>>76201525
Is it really dangerous to walk the streets? Did you bang any prostitutes? How can you be caucasian if you have argentinian flag?
How do they get smartphones in that shithole?
>>76201829
Yes.
>bang
you mean FORNICATE?
>prostitutes
raping and fornicating or more or less equally inmoral, why do you I imply i payed for the sex?
>How
I dont understand how not
>shithole
Use the term "Atheist society"
>How they used to come in ships packages
>>76200837
US has tried to sabotage you.
>>76196193
Nahh we are to segregated to even from a working Mercosur let alone a working continental government.
Also I would die before mixing even more with more negros de mierda, I would argue that Buenos Aires , Uruguay and South Brazil to separate and form its own nation, fuck the rest you are just a bunch of niggers.
>>76200921
>welfare state
Mother fucker, i already am supporting a welfare state by paying taxes. The problem is my government is a bunch of corrupt fucks that don't know how to manage any of the money properly and instead just keep raising the taxes more and more while nothing gets done.
I want a Government that actually gets shit done instead of dancing around pretending to fix things until shit hits the fan again, it happens every fucking time we elect somebody, Sanders won't fix it but it has to start somewhere.
>>76194111
