Not a single memorial thread about Trianon? It looks like this board isn't so different than our liberal media.
>4chan
>Not liberal
Top kek Maria
>england
Why do Americans refuse to learn basic geography?
>>76089136
Press F to pay respects.
>>76089136
>Push for war against small irrelevant slav state to expand empire
>Drag entire world into the war
>lose empire
fucking amazing
>>76089136
>yfw even Austria, a loser of the war got some clay from Trianon
>>76089457
>>76089136
>Ireland
>to Ireland
>>76089136
>98 years
>still butthurt
You can always try to get your clay back, because that worked so well last time.
>Have massive empire which caused the war
>Whine as if they're dividing up the Hungarian homeland
>>76089308
It's not a refusal, it's their Americation
Shouldn't have surrendered so readily.
The difference is that a large part of WWI's goal after Wilson's entrence was the furtherance of self-deterministic democracy. While I hate Wilson and see him as responsible for almost every issue America faces today, Trianon was justifyed, and although I hate it as a reactionary, it was thouroughly just, as Hungary was broken into autonomous sections based on ethnic lines, as nations should be, who desired independence from the Empire, and had for quite some time.
>>76089367
>Austniggers fuck things up
>Magyars pay the worst price
VESSZEN TRIANON
>>76089136
You wouldn't even need to change Germany to show how bad we had it. You also forgot Austria(including Sudetenland and Südtirol.)
>>76090047
Well...every country that was created had hungaryan minority,and other minorities too.
Only hungary became ethnically homogeneous after the treaty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_in_World_War_II#/media/File:Magyarorszag_1920.png.
>>76089668
not OC, so it has some grammar errors, i know.
it's just an illustration how fucking lack of justice were in that treaty, ripping appart a nation who was just dragged in to the wars , and that the real guilty countries got away with only a slap on their hand.
>>76089745
>Hungary BTFO
Lel, you Romanis are so proud of being able to defeat an already collapsed country. Typical gypsies.
>>76090454
Keyword- minority. So long as they weren't a majority then the seperation was just.
>>76091163
If you lost a war to bunch of gypsies what does that make you :^)
>>76091371
>>76090047
>ethnic lines
Okey dokey than...
maximum cuckening, it should happen to turkey instead
>>76089745
nigger
>>76091732
I still can't understand Vajdaság, no rime or reason. what the fuck man, just look at the fucking map!!!!
>>76089136
It's been nearly a hundred years, you stupid paprika-snorting cunt. Get over it.
>>76089136
Maybe you should've engaged in a more comprehensive Magyarization effort so that you wouldn't have been filled with minorities back when Wilson thought Self Determination was the way.
Problem is that Hungarian Kingdom was mostly populated by people who weren't Magyar.
France, Italy, Germany, USA are ethnically homogenous.
>>76089136
Can you use the English flag for England instead of the Scottish flag?
Thanks.
>>76092253
They just drew a bunch of random lines and called it a day, the winning allies had some messed up plans for Europe after the war (like a 'slavic coridor' connecting Yugoslavia with Czechoslovakia running right through Hungary)
>>76092262
fuck you. 100 years is nothing. go die in a terrorist attack
>>76092544
this.
Hungary is a thousand years old.
a hundred years means nothing.
>>76092502
It's france's fault, nice to see them getting cucked
>>76092696
If it survived the Turks it will survive this too
>>76092696
So what?
1. they didn't have the strength to keep it
2. people there didn't want to remain
Talking about "unfairness" is literally retarded.
One could argue about northern Vojvodina and parts of Transylvania, but there's literally no realistic claim to Hungary ruling entire Croatia or Slovakia, which are populated by Croats and Slovaks.
>>76092911
minorities loved to live under hungarian rule. we treated them well.
nationality of those areas doesn't matter, it was still our land. land we fought for and protected from invading subhumans. we protected all of our minorities, built them castles, infrastructure and provided for them so they coul breed and become so numerous
>>76093341
but that's a lie
if they loved to live under Hungarian rule they'd keep living under Hungarian rule
>our land
but that's also a lie
it was a land of Hungarian crown, not land of Magyars by any law or logic
Croatia for example retained distinct institutions, autonomy and identity throught that period
and Magyars were literally never majority in those regions (except maybe Transylvania)
START SHIT GET HIT
It happened almost 100 years ago. It's water under the bridge
>>76089136
>Not valid comparisions m8
it was divided up ethnic line at least they attempted that largely, Austria (Germany in reality) should have gotten more clay
>>76089457
>got clay
(pic related)
Except a lot of Hungary back then wasn't Hungarian
>>76093341
Loved.
Lol. You were chauinistic shit, second only to austrians, with exeption that maybe austrians did't bend over to turks. But likes of you never change.
>>76092253
Because they didn't give a shit. They gave zero fucks when they drew up these borders. Honestly, much of that clay is "just" but there are huge discrepancies that will never be fixed.
>>76089308
>Blaming Ameridumbs
I am almost 100% certain that a magyar is behind this image.
>>76093918
exactly, minorities resented Hungarian rule, and besides some Slovaks every minority in Hungarian part in 1848 turned against Magyars and chose Habsburgs
Austrian rule was far better, in both Slovenia and Bohemia
you can't just split up a country and gift it to surrounding countries. FUCK YOU ALL you little shits
>>76094434
but it wasn't gifted, people in those regions separated on their own
>>76093341
>hungarian rule
you mean the rule of the German Crown nigger.
>>76094434
>you can't just split up a country and gift it to surrounding countries
lol, it's what has always happened to losers since the dawn of history
>>76094564
nope, emperor of Austria was also king of Hungary
those lands were under Hungarian crown
>>76089136
meh
>>76094434
pic related
>>76094796
Emperor is #1 and that was the Austrian (German) crown. Hungary was not indipendant that was just lipservice. It was defacto ruled by germans.
>>76093341
>minorities loved to live under hungarian rule. we treated them well.
>you actually bealive this
gee,if we loved you so much then why did we start fighting back when you ordered transilvanians to shoot at their fellow romanians?
>>76092886
You should just give back >>76092544
clay before ww3 happens, it will not end well for you.
If Axis were the bad guys, how come Viennas were so much better than Trianon?
Magyarország lesz erős megint testvérek
>>76093341
AHAHAH THIS IS WHAT BOZGORTIGANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
your dear general kossuth ordered every romanian to take up arms against the austrians even tho he despised romanians
when they refused he ordered them to be genocided
>>76089136
But wasn't Transylvania part of a Romania originally, before the war? I don't get it Huns, they just got part of their land back after the war. Whats the problem? Are you jews also?
>>76089308
Up until a few decades ago British people also referred to it as England.
>>76089308
United Cuckdom then.
>>76097390
i remember growing up and England was completely synonimous with what we now call Britannien infact most Germans still mean the U.K when they say England
>>76089136
The 'England' example in that image is retarded on several levels
>>76097194
Are you retarded?
>>76089136
That US on the pic actually looks sensible.
>>76093995
Oh I'm looking
>>76089136
that's what happens if you don't stab your allies in the back at the right time.
>>76089136
doesn't look too bad. I'd be a bong or a nip.
>>76097846
Bordergore aside, it really does.
>best states still kept within the union
>Anglos get the liberal yuppies
>Weebs get their own paradise
>mexicans get a designated burrito zone
>spain gets all of the niggers
I ain't even mad.
>>76096266
That was a shit move..granting Hungary Transilvanya for free.That's why i hate fucking Hitler.
>>76097765
>as if it was yours and not the Austrians.
>as if you weren't the subjects of Austrians too.
So let me get this straight.
Anon H is pledged to Anon A
Anon T is pledged to Anon A
Magyar conclusion is that Anon T is pledged to Anon H
>>76089136
all those drawings are totally inacurate and are inspired a totally invented reading of history
putin messed up with your brain very hard
>>76099712
>all those drawings are totally inacurate and are inspired a totally invented reading of history
That's the point. Just like Trianon was
>>76089136
I agree that France completely fucked up here. People with no clue traced some random borders, and since you guys were loosers, no one asked for your opinion. They should have studied more carefully the ethnic situation.
>>76099503
>implying it wasn't just the eternal austrian fucking up Hungary to divide and conquer
>>76097662
Just like the original one, bro.
happy trianon day thing, or whatever you call it
>>76089136
best Hungary borders
>>76089136
>to Serbia
Dude, a huge part of Croatia was under your control too, that map should say "to Yugoslavia"
And don't forget Serbian Vojvodina was a short-lived self-proclaimed Serb autonomous province within the Austrian Empire during the Revolutions of 1848, which existed until 1849 when it was transformed into the new (official) Austrian province named Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar.
But anyways, I think you guys are cool. Definetly the best ethnic minority we have lol, I live in Vojvodina
>>76091732
Sorry for the late reply, but
>hungarian ms paint drawing
Nice source m8
>>76089668
Also includes Northern Ireland in Ireland.
>>76101158
>so many borders with Germany
boy we would need a lot of fences now.
but other than that, yeah that would be nice
>>76092262
We don't have a concept of time since we only learn brief summarized points in history. We only reflect on our own existence based off of what what we know. 100 years isn't a lot of time at all based off of how long some treaties lasted or how long agresstion has lasted to unfair ruling of a treaty.
>>76089856
This
If OP wanted to be honest, he'd just show the british empire post-collapse.
Yeah lets go with that.
>>76089136
>Irish land is stolen by...Ireland
Unbelievable injustice, truly my eyes have been opened now
>>76102082
I know, right? What a dick move.
>>76089136
>all those modern borders
>and Germany
lel
>>76089136
Happy Trianon Day Bozgorescu. Want more?
>>76089136
That's what happens when you lose.
>>76089136
Its just sad Hungbro. We know that feel. They should do that to Turks.
>>76100356
Dictating a solution that tries to solve things on ethnical basis is a completely wrong approach here. We have different traditions in this region.
Anyone who didnt understand that or didnt care, from the Habsburgs to the present EU-USA, could only generate more tension.
>>76102708
>we have different traditions
explain
you keep ignoring that PEOPLE THERE WANTED TO SEPARATE
even if Entente said nothing, they would still separate
in fact only way to prevent this from not happening would be Entente forcing people to stay in Hungary
and that literally makes zero fucking sense
>>76101158
If only the good guys won...
Romanians would've gotten plenty of hohol clay and everyone would be happy.
Why did Hitler-sama have to lose?
>>76089136
Difference is most of the land hungary lost was land that had a non-hungarian majority, the only land lost that had a hungarian majority was that northern part of romania and parts of vojvodina iirc.
So you cant compare it with any of those examples.
>>76089668
>Ireland
>existing as a nation state before WWI
American education.
>>76089136
Literally who?
>>76089136
I don't care about the french basques but Perpiñan español.
Also California is spanish soil too.
>>76089136
Dear László. That is a bullshit comparison right there. While the other countries are mostly nationally homogenous (and any foreigners are dispersed, not concentrated over large areas), Hungary before WWI was quite a clusterfuck of nations, it wasn't one Hungarian nation, no matter how many National Acts I wipe my ass with.
Trianon best anon
>>76089136
They should do that with Germany. This would avoid another big war. But western allies were already to cucked back then.
>>76103156
This. Hungarians were never a majority in northern Croatia except for small pockets of land along the border, especially to the northeast and east near Serbia.
>>76092502
That corridor was supposed to be the part of hungary that went to Austria in the end, shame they didn't go with it, would be cool to have all of Slavia connected by land
>>76103153
Well we didn't want hohol clay..the whole point of us joining Hitler on the eastern front was to get back Transilvanya.The fucker played something like a game : whoever goes with me further in the east be it magyars or romanians gets Trans...
Hohol clay is a wasteland ...Trans on the other hand was rich due to habsburg investments in infrastructure.
>>76089136
Part of me wishes that the Central Powers were victorious in great war.
>>76103156
The only part where magyars were and still are in Transilvanya is Szekelyland.But they don't want it either because its poor as fuck,+ its in the middle of our country so no connection to mother Budapest.
>>76103778
If America wasn't involved I'd greatly prefer that.
>>76103871
majority*
>>76094134
RARE
>>76103871
Yeah meant that part, but didnt know what its called.
>>76103998
>Montenegro
>rare
>>76103434
They already did that and you got the most. I think we should take it back, looking at the ungratefulness.
>>76103720
>best black soil in the whole fucking world is wasteland
>we want the already built up shit germans made for us
nigger-tier mentality
>>76101600
Look up the statistic about pre/post WWII ethnic map of Hungary.
It will prove my points,that the new/emerging countries ethnically wasn't homogenous(only Hungary),therefore the Wilson's principles wasn't realized in practice.It was just a mere attempt to show it was a righteous peace,that will prevent the next wars.French,UK and US incompetence brought the world into WWII,and cold war.
>>76104017
I got no quarrel with Magyars but i don't like the fact that they say they developed Transilvania they civilised it ..etc.
They indeed brought germans in 12 century to build cities .But they literally owned it until 1526 when their political status was worser than Trans.After that both Transilvania and them were your subjects...what you did with the Dual Empire thing was just a charade...you wanted them in line..but they didn't own all that territory.
They were subjects to Vienna until 1914 and that's the thing that they can't get in their head.
>>76102216
More like a mick move.
Hello lads
Greetings from Timisoara
Nice houses
Currently squatting in a German built house by the Klein family, built in 1930
>>76104270
Well you want it too,because lets face it ...what germans make is top tier.
On the other hand Hitler would've given us Moldavia at most which is indeed a wasteland.Do you know what they produce there even now?Prostitutes and wine,so stop tlaking out of your ass.Moldavia region is not Ukraine or the big Russian steppe tier where you can do top tier agriculture.
>>76104629
Also fun things: the butthurt Hungarians tried to Magyarize people's names to bullshit the census numbers. I have a passport from 1910 where German names were changed to Hungarian gutterspeak
>>76104652
>out of your ass
>moldavian niggers can't produce anything nice
>fault of the natural resources
>girls would rather prostitute themselves than to work hard on farms when the EU and Russia make it impossible to export agricultural products
>must be the soil
m8...
In the right hands that place could make miracles. It could've easily fed a developed industrial nation Romania was on the track to become. And Northern Trans. isn't even the better half economically. All the industry was in the south in Hunyad and around Temesvár/Timisoara.
>>76103409
I call bullshit. Hungary was always meant to be a kind of an alliance, "bringing the best together" so to speak with the Hungarians themselves being the mortar between the bricks. This was the thing back when we arrived, and this was the thing each time Hungary was a big player.
It all went down when the fucking Austrians grabbed the country and started playing divide&conquer.
burger living in Magyaroszag here.
Trianon happened yesterday for the hungarians. It's literally the unending, unexhaustible meme exclusive to Hungarians.
You guys think your memes are dank? Just come to Hungary and witness the first meme ever created.
(seriously though fuck Trianon, Hungarian families split for no reason)
>>76089308
Because "Britain" is a lie and nationality England invented to annex this Isle. Everybdoy but Scotland could see this.
Soon though. Soon.
>>76104274
>wah boo hoo I have proof but you have to find it
>we lost a war our king started but we shouldn't have to pay
>>76105187
Well i know that even in the interbelic period the main producers of crops were in Wallachia so there must be a problem.Although you might be right but as much as it could be EU/RUSSIA' fault for their shitty state of things..the Moldavians themselves don't like to work very much ..they prefer to get drunk and interbreed(it's true for our eastern part of Romania too).
>>76089308
Because nobody cares about Britain anymore.
>>76105846
Indeed. I was born in Hungary, but my parents moved the fuck away as soon as they could. Yet whenever I get back to visit relatives, I see the outline of greater Hungary on every 4th car or so. While it isn't particularly bad to remember a historical event that shaped the current nation, it sadly feeds into the Hungarian's mentality, which is: we are the people who were fucked by history, fucked by everyone, always fucked. Even their national anthem is just a long requiem on forgotten days and how badly they've been fucked over. It keeps them from moving on.
>>76089136
Mexican, Japan parts of America are for Spain, fuck that map bullshit.
>>76089136
Don't worry Istvan,
When the west falls you will have the last laugh. Your old enemies are being "enriched" with their successes in the wars (mine included).
Stick to your wall, and enjoy the show.
![Jagiellon_Realm[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/kxHq7L9.png "Jagiellon_Realm[1].png")
>>76090140
Almost like Jagiellon Empire
>>76106840
Hungary wasn't fucked over..check our history.
Fucked over by all our neighbours except Serbia and the Black Sea.They got what they deserved a country where they are majority after centuries of unrightful ownership of other lands where they were minority.
Also they weren't peaceful either throughout history..always trying to get more and more..trying to dillute the local element ..forced magyarisation..we on the other hand did all we could to keep our lands.The only time we did enter a war other than defending was the Second Balkan War when Bulgaria become a fucking menace in the Balkans and had to be put in its place.
>>76107224
Did you read the news about how the Hungarian far-right party Jobbik now officially changed their stance to pro-EU and wants to stay within the EU?
![3555-004-7F4F6A74[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bG9Ja1J.jpg "3555-004-7F4F6A74[1].jpg")
>>76095241
Cry more. Polish clay was not rightfully yours. The Poles just got their comeuppance 300 years later, after being backstabbed by Prussia, Austria, and Russia.
It's all Austrian clay 2bh, including Hungary
>>76102611
>They should do that to Turks.
no, Turks should all drown in a shallow puddle
Give Greeks their part, give Armenians their due and from the rest create a roach national park
Fuck i would be British never forget
>>76107547
Reclaim Constantinople?
>>76107360
Well it's a good thing those neck beards aren't in power is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5LgK0qYZk
![Europe_map_998[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/P5Eaw5n.png "Europe_map_998[1].png")
>>76103409
>That is a bullshit comparison right there
This is Hungary in X century, basically just after HRE recognised that this particular horde was here to stay, so there is no reason to not recognise it as a real principality. In less then 100 years they got their crown.
Their borders almost did not change for 1000 years, and then in 1920 its
>Oy Vey, so multicultural, need more states
>>76093341
>protected from invading subhumans
I don't know how to break it to you, but YOU are the invading subhumans...
>>76107710
any day
>>76089136
I'd happily take Scotland.
>>76108047
Revive Colchis empire
Revive Constantinople
Revice Armenia
Revive Phoenicia
Revive Carthage
Let's purge all the mudskins that invaded the Middle East and North Africa.
>>76103014
The Habsburgs screwed things up. They thought this country can be led with western methods. That's why lots of people wanted to separate. The Crown here traditionally should serve its peoples, not use them against each other.
In that situation it would have been wiser to use more referendums instead of drawing maps in a meeting room focusing on resources and infrastructure. That would have created a more peaceful situation.
>>76093341
>minorities loved to live under hungarian rule
>we treated them well
>Nevertheless, since the majority of Romanians did not convert to Roman Catholicism there was nowhere for them to be politically represented until the 19th century. They were deprived of their rights and subject to segregation (such as not being allowed to live in or purchase houses in the cities, build stone churches or receive justice. Several examples of legal decisions by the three nations a century after Unio Trium Nationum (1542–1555) are indicative. The Romanian could not appeal for justice against Hungarians and Saxons, but the latter could turn in the Romanian (1552); the Hungarian (Hungarus) accused of robbery could be defended by the oath of the village judge and three honest men, while the Romanian (Valachus) needed the oath of the village knez, four Romanians and three Hungarians (1542); the Hungarian peasant could be punished after being accused by seven trustworthy people, while the Romanian was punished after accusations by only three (1554).
>treated them well
![Polska_960_-_992[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/f8s7mgR.jpg "Polska_960_-_992[1].png")
>>76107443
Believe it or not, but that Odra border has a basis in history
>>76107959
>Their borders almost did not change for 1000 years, and then in 1920 its
That's wrong and you know it. Not only did they lose at Mohacs and thus got in majority annexed by Ottomans as provinces of, they stopped being a country completely because Austrians annexed them (for a tiny period there Transylvania was independent too...), and they were not a thing until 1918.
>>76092544
do something about it then faggot
>>76108386
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_Horea,_Clo%C8%99ca_and_Cri%C8%99an
>>76089136
People like to forget that all that territory was actually taken from Austria, and Hungary was just part of the freed territory.
It's not like they took that land from Hungary nation. They should be happy that they were "freed" to begin with
>>76108386
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avram_Iancu#Initial_stages_of_1848_Revolutions
>>76108733
But don't you understand?
The Magyars liked being cucked by austrians, having their cities filled with them while they slowly disappear.
>>76108521
That's not what I meant.
What was considered Hungary, even under Ottoman, or Habsburg rule did not change much is what I meant.
Look at Poland, we started at Odra river in the west and then got pushed (or just gave our land away...) to the east, our borders changed a lot.
Hungary lost and gained some land here and there, there were squabbles for this bit or that, but the general lands stayed "Hungary" basically up to 1920
>>76108865
There was no Hungarian kingdom or state after Mohacs to 1919.
>>76089136
Oh yeah! It's Trianon day! Happy Trianon day Romania!
>>76108840
To be fair they had a meme double monarchy, but as far as I know they couldn't really say they were independent
>>76109056
>>76108865
And "what was considered Hungary" matters how?
People considered Danzig to have been Germans because it did not leave german hands since... a whole long while ago.
Plus, "Hungary" contained Croatia too, as the Crown of Hungary. Does that mean Croatia should be ruled by magyarkikes?
I firmly believe Poland should be split between Russia and Germany, because it was like that for a hundred years and then after WW1 they were like muh multiculturalism let's have more states ))))))
>>76109146
Hungarian state was formed in 1919.From Mohacs to 1867 duality Hungarian Kingdom did not exist, and untill 1919 it was de facto habsburgic.
>>76095241
This, the Hunnic nationalists seem to think Austria-Hungary was some kind of Hungarian empire and it's really sad but funny.
>>76108521
>stopped being a country completely because Austrians annexed them
>>76108733
>territory was actually taken from Austria
But you're just plain wrong.
The Hungarian crown was a separate entity within the Habsburh monarchy. Obviously a part of the Habsburg realm, but with different laws than Austria. When Habsburgs got crowned, they got crowned twice - first with the Austrian, second with the Hungarian crown.
>>76109622
you stopped being a country after Mohacs when ottomans conquered Buda.Shut the fuck up already.
>>76109148
Well I believe you have right to believe whatever you want, I was under assumption that all our discussions here were just academic
>>76109246
Yea, I just remembered when you mentioned that, hence the reaction granting you good point
In Europe we always had massive "agreements" that divided borders almost arbitrarily, leading to next great war, that lead to another "agreement"
Current borders stayed as they are for so long only thanks to nuclear weapons
>>76109574
it kinda was Austrian and Hungarian parts Cis and Trans-Leithania, like >>76109622 said. Only finance, army and foreign affairs were joint, the rest was seperate, austrian lands judged by their laws, hungarians by their own...
>>76109936
Oh come on, don't be autistic. I was trying to prove that "we owned this land for a while" does not mean it should be owned by a state that can't even defend it.
Nationalism developed against empires in the 19th centuries for a reason.
>>76089136
>Germany
>Giving back Denmark it's rightful and historical territory
Man what a tragedy that would be. I fully sympathize with the Hungarians now.
>>76109923
thats grasping in straws man, like saying poland should have been reformed after ww2...
>>76109622
Also you were still cucked by austria regardless
>>76089136
Anyone who don't want to swim in shitposts today, just lean back for some minutes and watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjW7-72AuTE
>>76110028
Nevermind, I'm retarded
>>76110524
false history from hungary.There didnt exist any hungarian independent and feudal state from Moahcs to 1919 and no hugnarians tate from mohacs to A:H dUaLITY.
>>76109923
Does countries that stop being countries have their own laws and administration?
>>76110761
dont care about your local organization.And you were under ottomans and austriaks so no OWN laws and administration,
>>76110694
i like how everything is false history according to romanians
erm we had a diet, like the croats, but we were not independent hence 1848, notice the colors in the video... you can read maps right? you can read right, not just write?
>>76111270
>a
There was no such thing as Hungary or Hungarian kingdom.You simply did not exist as a state after Mohacs.Stop running around the tail.
>>76111028
mate you were also under ottomans, hence you also have no right to exist...
are you seriously THIS retarded?
>>76089136
The difference being that there's more Romanians in Transylvania than Hungarians in all of Hungary. You are uninvited guests to Europe and you should consider yourselves lucky that we whites let you keep anything at all.
>>76111028
Yes, under Ottoman times there was a turkish administration and rule on the parts that were under them.
But the non-Ottoman parts stayed with their own rules and laws.
And in the Habsburg times we did have a separate administration and legal system than Austria, no matter how hard it is to get it into your brain. Heck for a long time there even was a customs barrier between Hungary and the rest of the Habsburg lands.
>>76111339
same as romania, get me a map from that time which show romania, come on im waiting....
>>76111459
We were vassals under house of peace with own rights , not pashalak.
>>76111543
the non-ottoman parts were under austriaks.
>And in the Habsburg times we did have a separate administration and legal system than Austria, no matter how hard it is to get it into your brain.
After the 1867 duality yes.
>>76111557
maps are irrelevant, its about writtings.
>>76111560
like hungary with habsburgs? so whats the difference? enlighten me...
>>76111645
>MAPS ARE IRRELEVANT
>FACTS ARE LIES
>STEALING IS DONATING
>WAR IS PEACE
>>76094434
>you can't just split up a country and gift it to surrounding countries.
we apparently can.
>>76089136
Sorry for forsaking you. Not much we can do otherwise.
Though you are widely respected on /pol/ so you got that going
Elder God Tier -Hungary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4NG_NSXfIw
>>76111715
Im talking before 1867.And no, its not the same thing.
>>76111818
I can show you maps where the earth is flat, from 1600.
>>76089136
>tfw still the USA
fuck yeah bitches pay respects
>>76101390
Isn't there a Hungarian separatist movement there?
I am now #RomanianMissile
>>76111975
sure can, but then dont act suprised if it causes butthurt...
>its been 100 years get over it
>>76110694
It seems to be an elaborated map to me with lots of work in it.
Anyone checks it can decide it for themselves tho. Most of us can use their heads, that's why we are here.
>>76112036
before 1867: im quoting from wiki so you can chack sources, something you dont bother with:
Hungary before the revolution
The Kingdom of Hungary had always maintained a separate parliament, the Diet of Hungary, even after the Austrian Empire was created in 1804.[5] The administration and government of the Kingdom of Hungary (until 1848) remained largely untouched by the government structure of the overarching Austrian Empire. Hungary's central government structures remained well separated from the imperial government. The country was governed by the Council of Lieutenancy of Hungary (the Gubernium) - located in Pressburg and later in Pest - and by the Hungarian Royal Court Chancellery in Vienna.[6]
and by maps i mean historically credible maps from 3rd party, sorry i have to make this evident, we usually dont like to use fabricated maps for our claims unlike a certain county
>>76099503
It was Hungarian technically, Austria and Hungary were essentially two separate nations with a customs and border union and a unified military. Everything else was separate. You were either and Austria or a Hungarian citizen, not both.
'England'
*UK. England hasn't existed since 1707.
>>76111623
Even before 1867 Hungary had a separate legal system.
>be magyar
>revolt against glorious Kaiser
>get #rekt by Croatian army that supports the rightful ruler
kek, 1848 best year
>>76112823
and what did you get for it son? pat on the head? part in the dual monarchy?
>>76111543
1526-1867 you didn't exist as a country.You were a pashalak under turks then under Habsburgs.To claim that you had any control over your pre Mohacs provinces is purely retarded.
>>76112617
In one word you had some kind of autonomy.But autonomy doesn't mean you controlled Transilvania,Vojvodina or any other Habsburg conquered province.
That's what you don't understand.At the end of the day you were under the Habsburg leash.
>>76112985
we got to kill dirty monglol-bred magyars :^)
>>76089136
Magyarbro, I can never express how much I despise that faggot Woodrow Wilson for what he did to Europe. Especially to Austria-Hungary.
>>76112617
You dont understand.
Transylvania also after being annexed by Austriak kingdom had its OWN parliament, see Erdélyi Dieta.But it was still under Habsburgs.Starting with 1699 Karlowitz Treaty, Ottomans are forced to give to Austria: Hungary,Transylvania,Croatia and Slavonia.
Bsaically you were never independent untill 1867, and even then de facto under Habsburgs.Hungarian feudal and independent state was formed in 1919.Nothing more or less.
>and by maps i mean historically credible maps from 3rd party,
No one cares about maps here.You either use contemporany writtings and offcial documents or you dont.
>>76113020
You're mixing up things. The king of the Kingdom of Hungary was a Habsburg, so obviously he ruled over it. The fact that the Kingdom of Hungary existed separately from other parts within the Habsburg monarchy, as its integral part is an entirely different thing.
>>76113516
*was under a Habsburg monarch
>>76089308
Let's be honest, the UK basically is Greater England. Wales, Scotland and Ireland are fully Anglicized.
>>76113214
>Woodrow Wilson
I despise him for what he did to Russia, he basically allowed bolsheviks to take power
>>76113215
im tacing back for you:
>We were vassals under house of peace with own rights , not pashalak.
>The Kingdom of Hungary had always maintained a separate parliament, the Diet of Hungary, even after the Austrian Empire was created in 1804.[5] The administration and government of the Kingdom of Hungary (until 1848) remained largely untouched by the government structure of the overarching Austrian Empire. Hungary's central government structures remained well separated from the imperial government.
>Transylvania also after being annexed by Austriak kingdom had its OWN parliament, see Erdélyi Dieta.But it was still under Habsburgs.
so how is being a pashalak is independent? we were both under the sovergnity of others (hapsburg or ottomans), but retained our laws and customs mostly...
>>76113926
>fully Anglicized
That's not what most Anglos told me about Welsh and Scots
>>76114223
*vassal not pashalak
>>76114223
we were a recognised state
you? a region under habsburgs
>>76089367
Irrelevant, top kek.
We destroyed them senpai. gg
Should've taken Pecs and Szeged desu.
>>76115002
factually wrong:
Joseph II (18 August 1765 – 20 February 1790), Holy Roman Emperor, Archduke of Austria, King of Hungary and Croatia, King of Bohemia
>>76112165
Not really. There's a really small group of former communists (Serbs mostly) who want a republic, but nobody likes them. Hungarians are fine.
>>76089457
And lost alto adige :^)
>>76115593
this is the shit i dont understand the most, we are alright about what happened 100 years ago with slovaks, croats, serbs, ukraine, austria so most of our neighbours, but at knifepoint with romania
so im guessing its probably not our fault...
>>76115468
how does this affect the hungarian state?
>>76109574
Nobody thinks that you dagadék hamburgermajszer.
>>76115593
Hungarians seem based to me.
>>76116003
>Kingdom of Hungary
its written there you retard, just because a habsburg wears the crown it doesnt stop existing
>>76116223
>Joseph II (Joseph Benedikt Anton Michael Adam; 13 March 1741 – 20 February 1790) was Holy Roman Emperor from 1765 to 1790 and ruler of the Habsburg lands from 1780 to 1790
So you were a habsburgic land called Kingdom of Hungary.
>>76089136
I feel for your loss m8.
Unfortunately the modern borders of Hungary are pretty well established by now.
What's your view of perhaps inviting Romania to join the Visegrád Group? This would make it easier for Magyars to visit Transylvania.
>>76104139
Bold words coming from a cuckaroo.
Geez, Jogaila should've burnt Teutonic Order to the very last splinter back then.
>>76114239
They pretend Scots and Welsh are distinct to rake in more American tourist money
>>76116169
Hungarians are the most based people in Eastern Europe.
>>76089136
go cry me a river you faggot cuck
>>76116169
Yeah, Hungarians are a historical enemy of ours that's actually civilized. Nowadays we like them, and we love Orban. Their party here in Serbia is kind of cucked though.
>>76116457
Well Romania traditionally doesn't really fit into the Visegrád group. Transylvania is really easy to visit now too, border checks are pretty much just a formality.
>>76116419
yes the same way you were ottoman by proxy
in the beginning you said:
>And you were under ottomans and austriaks so no OWN laws and administration,
i already proved you wrong on administration and laws
you moved the goalpost to independence, fine we were not
>we were a recognised state
you? a region under habsburgs
Kingdom of Hungary, is a kingdom unsuprisingly, has its laws and succession, Austrian emperor holds the title. not a region, emperors usually dont sport regional titles, by the title of King of Hungary has access to various regions which belong to Hungary, be it hungarian or occupied by ottomans...
its not that difficult really...
but im out cause this is a fucking waste of time
>>76116457
Never ever.
Romania will be partitioned in the coming 20 years anyways. Reclaiming the lost land is the only reason why we're making deals with the Ruskies. The only reason Romania exists is the snail eaters wanted a buffer state between the Russian and the Austro-Hungarian empire. But now that political spheres are not that dependent on geographical regions, Romania has no reason to exist.
And thank to the NATOs missle defense system, the Russians now gained a casus belli on the filthy gyppos
>>76117181
I meant more in terms of Hungarians moving to Transylvania, buying property there, and so on. Ceausescu tried to erase Hungarian culture from Transylvania but he failed. Now it's time for a loose confederation of Danubian states to reassert their place in Central and Eastern Europe.
>>76117443
thats some rich dreams friend
>>76117495
thats unlikely to happen, most hungarians dont want to move to transylvania, no reason to do so. Szeklers are fine on their own. Szeklers always was a kinda special subgroup (think like germans and bavarians)
>>76117237
We were vassals states under ottoman suzeranity.You were a habsburgic province not a state.
Not only did the Habsburgsrule you, but also adminsitered you.
In 1699, at the end of the Ottoman-Habsburg wars, one part of the territories that were administered by the former medieval Kingdom of Hungary came under Habsburg administration, with some other areas being picked up in 1718 (some of the territories that were part of medieval kingdom, notably those in the south of the Sava and Danube rivers, remained under Ottoman administration).
>>76117443
Romania will never be partined, in fact we will unite with Moldova in 2018 for sure.You dont know taht today its a political war ebtween Russia and USA, who will help us unite first.
>>76118069
We'll see, my cigány """friend"""
>>76089136
versalles is cucked by muslims
who cares
>>76113117
that mentality was the problem.
you can look so: we kinda was the biggest united nation in europe in the east. So of cours the westerners did divide us, before we even relizing this.
>>76118553
biggest united nation?Haha.
Even without ww1 A:H empire wouldnt have lasted for more then 10-20 years.It was just a matter of time before the monstruosity would die.Putting togheter populations of different language and culture and forcefully magyarising them.
