You don't actually believe we landed on the moon, right?
Obviously you didn't. He was Irish.
>>76066633
I used we as in mankind.
How can you land on a hologram?
Went full autism once and watched all of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W79mIGx9Ib4
After watching it i can honestly say that there is no way that the moon landing was real.
>>76066604
if we didn't even land on the moon we don't deserve to survive
and we probably won't
>>76066715
The moon is real, we just never landed on it. It's the perfect propaganda to make evereyone trust in the government and work hard because look what they can do!
I'm not that far down the rabbit hole that I believe in a flat earth and chemtrails and everything. I do believe that we are actually out in space with the international space station, because that is so close to the earth compared to the moon. I also believe in probes like the voyager outside our solar system because it has been traveling for decades and is unmanned ofcourse. But the moon landing is obviously fake.
They did land on the moon at one point or this thing wouldn't be there. But I'm sure photos and videos were faked or manipulated.
>>76067648
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
>>76066604
Of course we did, the lying kikes started moon landing truthing to make conspiracy nuts look crazy to cover for the real hoaxes of the 20th century
>>76066604
Nobody believes YOU did dipstick, but fuck yeah we did
>>76067670
I believe that thing is entirely made up, it doesn't exist. A desperate attempt to "prove" that they've landed on the moon.
>>76067178
This shit again
>>76067786
Right idea, but wrong. Don't you see that we'd still be arguing and are arguing about it even if we didn't go to the moon? It doesn't matter if we did or not if people believe it
>>76066604
Of course we didn't lol
That shit was faked so bad that it's almost funny, but it's mostly just infuriating
Seeing an awful lot of non-American flags in this thread. Very strange.
>>76067933
You can literally test it from your backyard
we went, found out nothing there, never went back, except those few we can do it at will missions.
>>76068177
our rub it in missions. lol
>>76067178
holy fuck this image
>>76066604
God, look at all these jealous countries that aren't America getting absolutely T R I G G E R E D about the glorious accomplishments of the great United States of America. It must be considerably difficult living with so much spite and jealousy gotta say. Just accept that America landed on the god damn MOON and your countries will never compete.
europeans trying to discredit anything america does as usual.
sage
also
>we
stay classy europe
were just havin a giggle mate.
>>76067178
Of course dude, the ridiculous landing on the moon surface film is all sorts of dustless, hilarious perfection. My first but only one of many great tells, others being total "censorship" of the moon data, and duplicate stones & areas of the moon.
My main astonishment is to what lengths do people go to reinforce the official narrative even as it flies against the actual, obvious manipulated data.
>>76067890
>>76068014
Please just use common sense and use what little information your underage brain has about outer space when looking at pictures of the moon and you'll see it's fake. Hard to believe at first, but true. There's lots of other things that don't add up if you take the time to think about it and be honest with yourself
>>76068105
Sure, anyone with a gigawatt laser powerful enough to hit the moon and reflect back to earth can test it for themselves. Anyone can just set up a massive laser in their backyard without being v& for life.
>>76066604
First one was fake. We know.
>>76066604
>we
kek
>>76066604
Russia:
>first rocket into space
>first satellite put in orbit
>first animal in space
>first human in space
>first human orbiting around Earth
USA:
>shit exploding on the launch pad
>"fuck fuck fuck, losing the Space Race means losing the Cold War"
>JFK: "We'll land a man on the moon by the end of this decade, this that and the other thing"
>big-mouth gets shot, NASA continues developing stuff to save face
>secret computer installed in NASA in basement to send data upstairs to Mission Control terminals
>"Hey look we did a giant step for mankind and all these scientists saw numbers on screens so it's 10000000% real guyz"
>USA wins the Space Race, yay America
>continue "landing on the moon" for a few more years until general public loses interest
>scrap program
>NASA "loses" original video tapes of their (and humanity's) single greatest accomplishment ("""""""whoops""""""")
>50 years later no nation on Earth can duplicate 1960's-era technology to conduct their own moon landing
Yep.
https://vimeo.com/76848395
https://vimeo.com/148561134
>>76068717
>50 years later no nation on Earth can duplicate 1960's-era technology to conduct their own moon landing
This is wrong tho. The USA could easily put a man on the moon again, but they just prefer to spend the money needed on feeding niggers and waging wars for Israel.
>>76068585
sorry m8, grandfather worked on it, both parents and brother also went into mechanical engineering on rockets.
you're rather dumb.
>>76067670
Lunar Rovers could have easily set them up
"We" didn't, America did. America is also going to start colonizing Mars this century
>>76068862
>"We" didn't, America did
Who used stolen german patents and Nazi Scientists to fund NASA
>>76068800
Literally none of that proves we went to the moon lol
I've actually met someone else who had family that "worked for NASA" in real life lol. Have you ever honestly thought about all the facts or examined things?
For a simple start, could you explain the numerous inconsistencies in the moon pictures?
>>76068928
We took over their country and took their resources fair and square like every war in history. Human intelligence is a resource
>>76068862
>let's not colonize the moon first but go straight to mars
>yaaaaay USA USA
Hilarious
>>76068800
I have no doubt that we sent those guys into orbit for a while. Unless every rocket was un-manned and secretly fell into the ocean, of course. But all the way to the Moon and back? Naw, brah. Naw...
>>76068862
>colonizing Mars
>dead world
>no oxygen
>no water
>no resources of any kind
>not even a fucking magnetosphere to hold in an atmosphere even if we could manage to terraform one (protip: we can't)
Hahahahahahahahhahaa. Oh, you.
>>76069086
#Planetshaming
Its 2016
>>76069058
the moon doesnt have the gravity to form even a sparse atmosphere
>>76069086
Why do you think they picked it? Gonna have a colonist of scientists on Mars living in buildings similar to in Total Recall working on teraforming for the next few hundred years. Once they get it down they can stop Earth from dying
>>76066604
>we
No. America landed on the moon. Making it ours. Period. Don't look at my moon. Tom Hanks fought tooth and nail to get back here from that mission. Barely made it out alive.
>>76066604
pretty sure most of the cost to actually go to the moon is building a rocket to get there
>>76069201
They should sent all Aussies to Mars, I'm sure you would thrive in Mars atmosphere.
>>76068413
>>76068014
so basically you believe and support lies solely because it was done by america and you're american aswell?
>>76068702
>>76068862
Stop saying this. I already explained I used we as in mankind here >>76066700. You're nitpicking too hard, looking for anything you could possibly shit on because you can't refute the argument at hand. When talking about anything outer space, we are talking about we as in mankind.
>outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty
>>76069224
You don't understand, friend. Mars doesn't have a magnetic field strong enough to retain an atmosphere. As a result, Mars' atmosphere is 100 times thinner than Earth's, because Solar Winds have been stripping it away for aeons. It is not possible to terraform Mars because the atmosphere would just blow away into space, to put it simply. We'd have to fix the magnetic field of a planet, first.
Pic related.
>>76069386
nigel called, he wants you to finish cleaning his toilet
>>76066604
YOU Netherland tree humpers sure as hell didn't.
>>76069686
read >>76069483
we wuz martians n sheeit
>the thread
>>76069592
so just put a bunch of magnets in orbit RETARAD
>>76066604
Faking a moon landing would be more difficult than actually doing it.
>The USSR, with her substantial space technology, who the US were trying to humiliate by out-doing in a space-exploit, would sit back and let America PRETEND to go to the Moon.
>>76069755
fucking magnets, i bet you dont even know how they work
>>76069755
>ICP confirmed for logistics team of Mars mission 2027
>>76069592
That's what the reactor is for, Quaid.
>>76066700
Fucking barbarians trying to take credit for our work.
>>76066700
so white people?
>>76069946
not really. movies can be extremely realistic aswell. now imagine if the state did that, funded by the rest of the world.
>>76068968
wasn't proving anything and didn't say they worked for nasa.
The picture """"inconsistencies"""" fall into the flat earther i-don't-understand-optics tier of conspirtardation.
>>76069946
>USSR ... would sit back and let America PRETEND to go to the Moon
That's exactly what happened. USA won the propaganda war, and the USSR wasn't about to start an international incident (or worse, turn the Cold War into a Hot War) by calling us out on our bullshit.
There's a diplomatic point where you simply admit defeat rather than risk nuclear winter.
>>76066604
>>76066882
if it was fake the Soviets would have exposed it as a laughing stock.
>>76068836
There were no fucking robots in 1969
>>76069946
the USSR was controlled opposition, a jewish plot as much as the USA the EU and the NAZIs
they were all in on it together
>>76066700
Uhh, wow. Cultural appropriation much?
>>76070133
That's the stupidest shit I've read on the internet in at least 2 months. You're actually suggesting that pointing out a fake moon landing is a more aggressive move than stationing nuclear missiles in Cuba?
>>76069592
A smart American on /pol/? Now I've seen everything.
You're not quite correct though. It would be possible to maintain an atmosphere on Mars, because the rate it dissipates is so slow. Remember, the sun has been stripping it for billions of years already and there's still enough atmosphere left for the Martian sky to be bright during the day.
The real problem with the lack of magnetic field is that it exposes humans living there to harmful cosmic rays.
>>76067933
fucking retard.. you can send up a laser yourself and wait for it to get back. by then you also know the distance. This mirror IS on the moon unless they put it into the moon's orbit or something, but fuck you..
>>76070122
Can you explain them?
Somewhat related, why do you think there are so few pictures of Earth from space? Don't you think that would be one of the coolest things we could do and would be very easy to obtain? Like literally thousands of pictures? Obviously this doesn't prove anything, it's just one of numerous odd things about the whole situation
For the record, it doesn't even matter if we went to the moon. This is just another meaningless division amongst people, I just like hearing people explain why they actually think we went
Furthermore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
>>76070102
>funded by the rest of the world.
And the USSR would agree to this why?
400,000 workers on the Apollo program would agree to this [and stick to their agreement, even on their deathbed] why?
>>76070133
Nobody was going to start a nuclear war over a claim about the moon landing.
Furthermore, you'd find evidence of something along the lines of Operation Giant Lance [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Giant_Lance ] to intimidate them if they had done it.
Even if the USSR had claimed it was a lie, the USA would have been able to counter with "No, you're lying!" with far more credibility than going to war over it - going to war is practically an admission you lied.
>>76070173
Now that's more like it. If you're going to go crazy, go full crazy.
>>76068626
>massive laser
>kek, fuck off plebboy
>>76070078
>>76070206
Not at all. I mean if you really want to sperg out about my usage of the word ''we'', you didn't do it either. Unless you are Neil Armstrong which you aren't. And this is all hypothetical speaking, since nobody made it to the moon at all.
It's just funny how you have to bring up ''muh merica! so proud of muh country!'' everywhere you can. I never said anything about the Dutch landing on the moon, I said nobody did it at all. How can I take credit for something that didn't even happen?
>>76070081
Mankind.
>>76070308
all that flouride is going to your brain, aquafresh. that doesnt prove mans landed on the moon only that we've sent objects there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KsH2M4m4zM
everyone should watch this. it shows astronaut footage where they are hitting objects and its making noise. ON THE MOON. it was a fraud to demonstrate technological superiority.
>>76068717
>50 years later no nation on Earth can duplicate 1960's-era technology to conduct their own moon landing
But that's fucking wrong.
People have been throwing shit at the moon for decades, they've just been using automated landers and shit because manned missions are laughably wasteful in terms of cost-benefit ratio.
Manned missions are good PR, they inspire people, but they're generally of limited scientific value. We've been to the moon, we know there are no moon monsters that kill men there, there's no need to go back to confirm none have appeared over the past decades.
>>76070133
Anon, you're a drooling imbecile. 200 kilos of rocks were brought back and they were studied by actual scientists in every university (including USSR who took their own samples 3 years later).
Radio triangulation confirmed the missions.
Recent probes confirmed the locations and the shape of the terrain shown in the photos.
Stop with the /x/ bullshit.
>>76070365
>crazy
hi reptilian intenet defence force
>>76066604
Retarded amerifats believe in every bullshit kikes tell them, so why not.
If it has a movie, it must be real according to amerifat logic
>>76070553
Armenia Genocide
>>76069058
you are really tiresome..
>mars does have the potential gravity to bear an artificial atmosphere and frozen water
>>76070553
Armenia Genocide
>>76070362
>why do you think there are so few pictures of Earth from space
>literally millions of pictures taken of earth from space
>maps.google.com have tens of thousands of them
>>76070438
Our system of governance is superior to yours. Hence that we enjoy supremacy and glory. Our glory is not for you. Stay on your side of the wall, and don't delude yourself into thinking that you share in our success.
>>76066604
>We
Why are other countries trying to take credit for the achievements of the United States?
>>76070449
https://youtu.be/EliLP5uEYAU
Your home water contains fluoride and lead, you fucking retarded dumbshit.
Watch the video. Were they capable of controlling gravity and vacuum?
The dust trajectory isn't shit.
>>76070553
Armenia genocide
>>76070553
Roach scum! GENOCIDE
>>76070553
Armenia Genocide
>>76070553
armenia genocide
>>76070586
>>76070629
>>76070754
>>76070817
>>76070849
there is literally nothing wrong with genociding armenians
>>76070901
except from being a turk while doing so
>>76070646
I never said anything about your our my system. Stop changing the subject. This thread is about the moonlanding and how it's fake, not about America for once. Please just accept that not every thread is an America appreciation thread and move on.
>>76070709
Why are you trying to take credit for the achievements of other people? You probably weren't even born when the moonlanding ''happened'' which it didn't. You're not an astronaut.
>>76070978
You fucking ignorant
>>76070726
>>76070514
>>76070978
I'm positing evidence to support my arguments. If you freak out every time I do this, then there's no point in responding.
You try to forget the fact that your nation is utterly irrelevant by arguing that the achievements of superior nations are "mankind's" achievements. This will not do.
>>76070639
Show me lad
These are said to be computer generated except for very few of them
>>76066604
No Netherlands, you sure as hell did not.
We however, did.
they landed on the moon deal with it.
If they didn't it just one more achievement of the white race gone
>>76071242
>show me
How? There's a limit of 150 images per thread. Want to see pictures from space? Use google images, retard
>>76071465
you must have mistaken him for somebody who was willing to risk asserting any specific claim or willing to accept any amount of evidence.
>>76071076
What?
>>76071110
No, you don't understand it. The thing is that there is no argument about america vs the netherlands because that's not the subject of this thread. If you really want to talk about that subject you can make your own thread about how many people live in america compared to the netherlands so you can totally own the netherlands.
The moonlanding didn't happen, so there is no achievement. But when it happens, it is mankinds achievement, No matter who gets there first. There's no arguing there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty
>>76071369
Post a picture of you on the moon.
>>76071242
Wew. Computers didn't even generate any basic graphics back in 1969. That requires 1995-2000 high tech hardware and software.
>>76071449
You just eat it up don't you. You believe it because that's what you've been told since birth. Take some time to actually research it yourself and you will find that there is more evidence against it than in favour of it.
>>76071546
You didn't disprove any of my points.
>>76071704
people that aren't tinfoilhead conspiracy theorists believe it because there is a mountain of irrefutible evidence.
>>76071671
No shit Sherlock. So you're saying there's thousands of photos of earth from space from 1969? I'm assuming there's lots of video too right? I mean this is the biggest exploration man has ever embarked on
>>76071799
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/page4
for (You)
>>76071546
>You aren't allowed to talk about what I don't want you to talk about
And then you go on to talk about it. Idiotic hypocrite.
Our glory is not yours. You miserable barbarians will continue to waste your land while we succeed. Our success, which you are not an integral part of, is not "humanity's success". It is ours, and you are upset.
>>76071799
why are you asking for shit that can be found in seconds by anyone with a brain? You can find pretty much anything that isn't classified in the NASA archives.
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/
>>76071704
>"Research"
I've studied this shit for 20 years kid, the conspiracy is shit because there isn't a complete and univocal study.
"No they used a vacuum chamber", "no they used ropes", "no it was recorded sideways", "no there is a slow mo".
Do you understand how pathetic you are?
Tinfoilers playing right into the real conspiracy: The moon landings happened, and we've been back several times, and have gone further.
Flat earth, chemtrails, moon landing hoax, etc. are all disinfo campaigns to hide the real secrets. Notice the slow leaking of info by paid disinfo leakers, just enough to get the public acquainted with the Orwellian State, but not enough to revolt.
>>76071880
>>76071901
And you guys honestly, unironically, take this stuff as certain proof that we went to the moon?
>>76071764
You were talking to someone else.
>>76071785
>irrefutible evidence
There is no irrefutible evidence unless you've seen it happen with your own two eyes. Believing everything NASA says just because it's NASA is appeal to authority and it's wrong.
>>76071885
No, you aren't allowed to go offtopic when we are specifically talking about the moonlanding, not america. Like I said, if you just want to talk about america this discussion is now terminated and you can leave to another thread for an america hugbox. But don't do it here, because this is a moonlanding thread.
>>76071960
So why would you believe NASA exacly? There are more contradictions than absolute proof.
>>76072179
>calls people tinfoilers
>is a tinfoiler
You're somewhat right though. This is just another thing that people can be divided over, but I personally don't think we went
>>76072198
>certain proof of anything
these nonstop memes are tiring me out m8
>>76072343
The point is, there are a lot of deliberate disinfo campaigns to hide the truth. It is highly likely that we went to the moon, and the deliberate alterations of NASA photos (from early airbrushing to modern techniques) seems to indicate that they're hiding something.
The only "evidence" I see for the moon landing hoax is the propaganda value against the Soviets.
>>76072179
It's right, I work in finance, you don't know about the shit happened in 2008. This is why Hillary is such a shit candidate, she works for the lobbies.
>>76072198
No, there are many more points that I explained.
Anon, do you honestly, un ironically, thake the stuff written in a fraud book (or youtube) that we didn't went to the moon?
>>76072198
yes?
>>76072323
>There is no irrefutible evidence unless you've seen it happen with your own two eyes.
There's no irrefutible evidence that ordinary matter is made up of atoms unless you've seen them with your own two eyes.
>Believing everything NASA says just because it's NASA is appeal to authority and it's wrong.
People believe NASAs version because it's backed by evidence, not because NASA says so.
>>76072323
>I decide what you're allowed to talk about.
No you don't. Go hang yourself with my penis.
>this triggers the liberal arts major
>>76072897
one of the third stages didn't crash into the moon and is still orbiting the sun, took astrology people quite a time to figure that out, they first thought it was a asteroid with ~30m diameter and wondered how the heck it ended up in that orbit
>>76072600
Some vague video and contradicting pictures is not ''irrefutable evidence''.
>>76072761
You can't enter a thread about the moonlanding and then derail the topic into america vs netherlands. That's not how it works. I don't mind if you talk about that, just don't do it in my thread about the moonlanding because it has nothing to do with this. And I already refuted your argument that america ''claimed'' the moon.
>>76070285
Actual fact and level headed discussion on /pol/?
This is an official NASA image. The shadows don't match the angles at all imo, so I'm pretty sure they faked it.
>>76071242
Said by who? You cannot seriously be this retarded.
>>76073140
You can't conclude bullshit and expect people not to call you out. We'll talk about anything about your post that we want to talk about. If we think your image is stupid, we'll talk about your image. A thread isn't some reddit question and answer session.
Besides, you haven't "refuted" anything. You've only rattled nonsense at me while allowing your ego to do the rest of the work for you.
>>76073140
>some vague video
there is a fair amount of video and picture material, in addition to the samples they brought back, experiments conducted on moon and stuff they left there. As long as people can't come up with how you're supposed to fake all this it remains irrefutible evidence. Considering people have been trying this for the past 40 years i doubt anyone will have success with that any time soon.
>>76073193
Bro, that's obviously 100% real
>>76068313
Love you Aussie bro. I'll come help you genocide some Abos
>communists hate it when you do this
>>76073822
>NASAs budget got scrapped to fund foodstamp programs for the negroes
>>76073193
That's it, I'm now a !Jeb!Kerman.
>>76073822
Damn, I am so proud of my country.
>>76073477
I'm calling you out because I've already said many times that with ''we'' I meant mankind. Your argument is that mankind doesn't take credit for the moonlanding because america did it, but the guys who claim they have done it actually disagree with you. It Neil Armstrong who said ''One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind''. On top of that, most countries on earth, including america, signed the outer space treaty. This treaty specifically states that anything outer space can be claimed by mankind only, it's not national.
There is your refutation. Now that your argument has been discarded you can go away and start your own thread about america, because apparently that's all you want to talk about. Technically you can keep talking about it in my thread but it doesn't make any logical sense because I have already refuted your argument and it has nothing to do with this topic.
You know they went to the moon more than once right?
>>76074385
Nobody has ever set foot on the moon. I'm sure it's going to happen for real in our lifetime, but not yet.
>>76066604
>We
>>76074701
to bad you have no evidence to support your claim
>>76067178
Half retarded
>>76074701
It's hard to go barefoot on the moon, will you settle for boots on it?
>>76066604
>this thread again
Heres your (You)
>>76074746
Just gonna refer all the proud americans to this post from now on >>76074157
>>76074815
I never claimed that. It's just very hard to believe because the evidence is questionable and contradicting. Same reason I don't believe in god. I don't have any counter evidence but there is no irrefutable evidence either.
>>76074855
It's like they didn't even try to cover it up. I love how every picture taken on the moon, the horizon looks like it's 5 minutes away max. You never see these kind of pictures of the moon.
>>76075313
>the evidence is questionable and contradicting.
Then you should be able to point this out. You aren't, and no one was yet. Everything is sound.
>Same reason I don't believe in god.
Bullshit, there is no evidence for the existence of god at all, entirely different problem
>>76075665
I was literally just pointing it out in the same post you replied to.
>god
Footage of the moonlanding is on par with the bible in terms of evidence.
>>76075313
>how does light work in atmosphere?
atmospheric refraction is the term you and the flat earthers are looking for, and that specific effect is called looming.
>>76075313
>I love how every picture taken on the moon, the horizon looks like it's 5 minutes away max. You never see these kind of pictures of the moon.
In addition to >>76075911
No shit sherlock. Earth and moon both can be roughly described as balls. Above completly flat ground and your eyes at 1.7m above ground the horizon is theoretically 4.7km away on earth, and 2.4km away on moon. The cameras used for the moon EVA missions where mounted on the astronauts chests, so the horizon in completly flat terrain would be even closer.
In addition to that they landed in flat terrain, surrounded by a fair amount of hills. The terrain is not even, and they used cameras without rangefinders, so your point es even more retarded.
>>76075849
>Footage of the moonlanding is on par with the bible in terms of evidence.
That's objectively completly wrong, i wonder if you're even trying anymore.
>>76075911
I'm not talking about light, I'm talking about how far into the distance you can see.
Also now I think of it, as you can see the sun is behind them, and the shadow of the flag points a little to the lefts means the sun is a little to the right behind the guy. Why is the shadow on the left pointing to the right? Shadows don't come together like that from one light source.
>>76076317
>I'm not talking about light
>I'm talking about how ... you can see
>>76066604
>We
Whos we?
You sure as fuck didn't.
>>76066604
>we
We didnt go but some other guys did a while ago.
>>76076317
>I'm not talking about light, I'm talking about how far into the distance you can see.
You didn't even look up what looming is, did you? Don't they teach refraction in schools anymore?
>shadow bogus
the ground isn't even, and the shadow of the landing module goes into the same direction, you just can't see its source because its on the left of the guy holding the camera. There is nothing wrong with the shadows, this has been examined dozens of times.
>>76076139
The moon is rougly 1/4 the size of the moon. That doesn't make the horizon this close on every pic. That's still huge.
>>76076456
Mankind.
>>76076553
At least you got half of that right.
>>76069592
>mars doesn't have an atmosphere because it lacks a strong magnetic field
>ignores that venus doesn't have strong magnetic field either, has had solar wind stripping away atmosphere for aeons, but has atmosphere x60 thicker than Earth's
that NASA tier logic
>>76076430
So you're saying that in >>76074855 there's more in the background which you just can't see because it's not light enough?
>>76076904
>The moon is rougly 1/4 the size of the moon
ayy
>That doesn't make the horizon this close on every pic.
Where did i say that? But it perfectly explains the pictures when you take it into consideration, together with the fact that the landing sites weren't perfectly flat, surrounded by even more uneven terrain and that the moon has no fucking atmosphere.
>>76076904
the autism youve spewed in this thread is making my head spin
here's the periodic table
>>76076904
oops
>>76077040
look up refraction phenomena and don't expect us to spoonfeed you. In an argumentation it's not your opponents job to teach you basic physical principles necessary to refute the bullshit you spew.
>>76066604
>We
Who would believe the dutch ever landed on the moon? America did though
>>76066604
Between 1969 and 1972 America went to the moon a dozen times. No other country has ever made it there, and we have never gone back.
>>76076932
venus still has an atmosphere because it's way heavier than mars and it's atmosphere is mainly made up by heavier molecules which are harder to be knocked out of its gravitational field by solar winds.
In relatively light planets like mars whose atmosphere apparently was made up mainly by relatively light molecules a strong magnetic field that deflects solar winds is necessary for them to keep their atmosphere.
>>76076870
>the ground isn't even
That's bullshit. The ground isn't perfectly even there but you would need a straight up wall to get that shadow like that. Or, you know, another light source.
>>76077085
>>76077210
That's not at all what I'm talking about. I know the moon is smaller but the horizon wouldn't be 5 minutes away everywhere you are, the moon isn't that small.
>>76077106
>>76077139
Thanks for your random periodic table. How is this relevant here exactly?
>>76077339
>>76077356
>proud muricans >>76074157
>>76074855
Man those A7L suits were so much cooler than the EMU suits they use these days.
>>76077593
>That's bullshit. The ground isn't perfectly even there but you would need a straight up wall to get that shadow like that
The shadows go in roughly the same direction, they may appear distorted from simple expectations due to uneven terrain. You also have to consider perspective effects (mainly for pictures like the one you posted, try to imagine the scenery from above. The shadows do go in almost the same direction, even in the picture). The cameras used don't make it easier, due to the wide angle lenses used they suffer from slight fisheye distortion.
Also, funnily, you have to take multiple lightsources into account here. Earths albedo is actually way higher than the one of the moon, even the astronauts themself and the landing module can have an effect here. That doesn't change the direction of the shadows, but light scattered into the shadows may change their appearance.
>>76077593
>That's not at all what I'm talking about
Yes it is, you just don't understand it. Not our fault that you don't understand how this works. Compare the apollo pictures with those of newer moon landers (the chinese yutu for example), that's just how pictures of the moon from a perspective close to the ground look.
>>76078085
well, you don't really need highly abrasive and dust resistant suits for LEO EVA missions
It's a well known fact that the moon landings were faked by Stanley Kubrick. Original production was fairly cheap until Kubricks notorious perfectionism/autism kicked in and production costs ballooned when he insisted that they film on location. Don't believe the Jew lies, /pol/
>>76078467
>Original production was fairly cheap until Kubricks notorious perfectionism/autism kicked in and production costs ballooned when he insisted that they film on location
>>76078382
No they don't, shadows don't go inwards. That's whats happening in that picture. Find my any picture on earth where 2 shadows go inward from one light source. Saying that the ground isn't perfectly even is just bullshit.
>chinese moon landing
Did I say the chinese moonlanding is real? They're all fake. It never happened.
>>76078467
Oh look it's NASA. Everyone say hi, NASA!
>>76078467
Kek! Good joke!
>>76078467
>>76078953
the shadows don't go significantly "inwards", you just don't understand how perspective works. The landing module is on the left of the guy taking the photo, the shadow goes into the same direction as the one of the flag and the one of the guy holding it.
>They're all fake.
Yeah, no. You can literally shoot a laser at the refelectors they put up and measure how long it takes to come back (google lunar laser ranging). So while you have to be a crazy tinfoil head moron to believe that the apollo missions were faked you have to be mentally handicapped to believe that all missions were faked.
>>76068862
We aren't colonizing Mars, bud. Multinational private corporations will. See if they give a fuck about planting the flag on Mars.
>>76066604
>Netherlands
>"""""""we"""""""
>>76079463
You failed to provide me a real life examples of shadows being that acrobatic.
And just because there is a laser reflector on the moon means men made it to the moon? They put it there on an unmanned mission.
>>76079757
right this way faggot >>76074157
>mfw an anon doesn't know what Chief Directorate Service A is
>mfw an anon is too lazy to read history and isn't aware this conspiracy theory was confirmed as an active measure literally decades ago by archival material
>mfw an anon cares more about pictures on the internet than actual documents from KGB archives
>>76079904
>You failed to provide me a real life examples of shadows being that acrobatic.
Again, they aren't "acrobatic", they go in almost the same direction. You're just to retarded to understand how the perspective of the photographer comes into play.
If you want to read more about that, check clavius.org.
http://www.clavius.org/shad15.html
http://www.clavius.org/trrnshdow.html
>And just because there is a laser reflector on the moon means men made it to the moon? They put it there on an unmanned mission.
You're literally to retarded to follow a conversation over more than two posts? You said all landings were fake when i pointed out to compare the apollo photos with those of other landers like yutu to see that on many of them the horizon looks quite close.
>>76079959
>>76079904
>You failed to provide me a real life examples of shadows being that acrobatic.
because you are a retard that doesn't understand how perspective works.
>>76066882
3 hours you serious?
>>76080577
This one red pilled me hard. There are no shadows in space.
>>76068928
>stolen german patents
it was American Robert Goddard's designs you stupid dipshit - even that fucking Kraut VonBraun said this
read a book every once in a while
>>76080480
>>76080638
those seem to go outward, that's possible ofcourse because there is only one light source and two objects. But you can't have the shadows going inward between two objects with one light source.
>>76067178
Why is the light supposedly coming from that crater?
>>76081104
the sun is so far away that for all practical purposes it's light can be described as paralell beams. It's like you never really attended 7th grade physics.
>>76081296
So why aren't these shadows parakek? >>76074855
>>76069755
wont work
>>76070285
possible? maybe, practical? no. where do you get the material? how do you move it?
radiation isn't a problem under ground where people would probably have to spend most of their time.
>>76073193
picture on the moon with the moon in the background
>>76076932
the hydrogen and water was stripped away from venus by solar wind though. mars still has CO2 just like venus. and venus has much more of a magnetic field than mars anyway due to the solar wind ionizing the outer atmosphere.
people who don't think the landing happened are pretty much flat-earth-tier retarded. it's sad that our education system fails so often.
>>76081462
that has already been described in this thread, and more detailed in the clavius links i posted. Start reading
I have a question for apollo believers: How many years need to pass without man going to the moon or mars before you begin to doubt?
It has been what, 44 years now? An eternity in the science world. If in another 15-20 years we still haven't gone anywhere will you start to wonder what's going on?
>>76082038
What the fuck does going to the moon offer us?
It's useless and it costs a lot of money.
The cold war is over.
The race had been won and the money dried up.
The USSR had no interest in coming second, and politicians on both side realised that lower-orbit missions had much greater commercial and military potential.
>>76082038
retarded argument. All that lacks to go back is funding, not knowledge. Engine technology isn't much better now than it was back then, it's just a matter of building a rocket large enough.
>>76082162
>The USSR had no interest in coming second
They did, the N1 rocket kept failing though
>>76082038
in 1973 the appolo missions cost 25.4 billion, in 2015 dollars that's 136 billion, over 5% of the entire tax income of the USA. somehow I don't think congress will approove that budget.
>>76082038
How do you explain the lunar dust samples they brought back? The images? According to NVIDIA the photos are legit.
http://nerdist.com/still-think-the-moon-landings-were-faked-heres-more-proof-they-werent/
>>76081979
Okay, can you give me a real life example of that happening?
>>76066604
eu prefiro bater punheta do que falar com a helena retardada, se essa bosta vier falar comigo, eu vou soltar uym p-eido bem forte na cara dessa retardada, para ver se o cérebro dela volta pro lugar
>>76068928
And where's that German flag on the moon, Gerhard?
>>76082489
>parakek
those shadows are parallel
>>76066604
>we
yeah you guys never even got close
>America
they definitely were there
oh shi- /pol/s gettin weird agiain
>>76082489
You didn't even check the clavius website, did you?
http://www.clavius.org/trrnshdow.html
>>76082634
But your german NASA buddy just said they are magically bended by ''perspective''. So he already admit they aren't parakek.
>>76082776
This one is getting old now. >>76074157
>>76082318
and with how costs tend to explode nowadays, it would be probably closer to half a trillion.
>>76082162
>>76082228
>>76082318
>>76082385
Ok so even if man never goes to mars or the moon in your lifetime you'll still believe that man flew 6 manned missions to the moon with 1960's tech and had another 3 planned but cancelled them due to funding being diverted to the space shuttle program?
They thought it was worth going NINE times back in the 60's but there's no reason to go back ever again? That's what you believe?
You guys understand they didn't have the technology to fake the moon landing in the 60s, right?
>>76082975
no, i didn't. I said the perspective may give you the impression that they arent paralell.
>>76083034
exactly. Not hard to understand. They had the rockets, so you might as well continue, the R&D was done, the production lines were ready. Also back then sending men up there also had support from the population, some scientific value and could be used as propaganda and fuck you to the soviets.
>>76083066
So they didn't have the technology to make some vague footage but they did have the technology to actually fly to the fucking moon and come back alive. Sure pal, just eat that jew shit up.
>>76083034
china and india have planned missions to send robots to the moon and you can bet they will snap some shots of our landing site. china would love to prove it to be fake but they wont, because its not fake.
>>76083259
they flew to the moon with computers that are less powerful than our fucking calculators. you can see orbital trajectory calculations written on the inside of the Apollo reentry vehicle by the astronauts. it was some seriously old school shit.
>>76083259
the computers used for the apollo program had less computing power than a SIM card in your phone, semiconductor engineering and everything connected to it grew almost exponentially for the last 4 or so decades. Engine technology and all the other stuff was way further developed back then. We still use iterations of the RD-170, one of the best Kerolox engines out there, and it's about 4 decades or so old.
>>76066604
> that flag
> WE never landed on the moon
Of course nobody believes the Netherlands landed on the moon. Whoever said that?
However, us Americans DID land on the moon and that's why there is a glorious American flag planted firmly on the moon's surface. How did it get there, you dumb faggot?
>>76083453
>bet they will snap some shots of our landing site
they already where and had no interest, why survey a site that was already surveyed, you gain no new knowledge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutu_(rover)
The only time when you actually will get footage of it when they have some sort of flying drone up there.
>>76083725
no they will snap photos when they are orbiting the moon before they land on it. im not saying they will land at our site.
>>76066604
>You don't actually believe we landed on the moon, right?
the moon is actually not very far away. Earth is rather quirky, having such a huge moon and one that is so close. If it were a more normal distance away compared to other planets, it would be completely inacessible.
>>76083666
FYI flags only last a few months outside earths protective atmosphere and it's easier to plant them remotely so even if apollo was 100% true there would be no usa flag there and it wouldn't be evidence of a manned landing by itself.
>The second EVA was performed on September 07, 1992 (5h 08m). In this spacewalk they bent Sofora back on a hinge at one-third of its length to make its top more accessible, and laid a control cable along the girder. They also removed the remnants of the Soviet flag placed on the mast during its assembly in 1991. It had been reduced to shreds by UV degradation and orbital debris and meteoroid impacts.
http://www.spacefacts.de/mir/english/mir-12.htm
>>76084115
>http://www.spacefacts.de/mir/english/mir-12.htm
Of course the Soviets achieved space easily, they're white.
>>76080674
its actual proper research trying to debunk it from several different angles giving as much information as possible
>>76083871
>no they will snap photos when they are orbiting the moon
already did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconnaissance_Orbiter
>>76084115
I know this. Doesn't matter, the flag is still there. Now it is an all-white flag to represent white people conquering space. You act as if that wasn't the plan to begin with.
>>76080948
>read a book every once in a while
how about you dont sperg out and read whats actually written. i said they stole patents and scientists and not the blue prints for the exact model that was used
>>76084335
>to represent white people conquering space.
Probably that's why niggers hate nasa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwkXZ0SmTs
>>76066604
They go to the moon regularly now, It's the current year and space travel is mediocre.
>>76084334
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconnaissance_Orbiter
right and the hubble has taken pics of our site too but anyone who thinks the Apollo missions were fake would never trust evidence from NASA. im saying china has every reason not to go along with the "lie"
I think they did but the footage they showed was fake.
>>76066604
I believe that OP is a gigantic FAGGOT!
tfw I got the signature of the last Person on the Moon
I wish I would stop being such a fucking loser and do something with my life desu.
>>76070162
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod_programme
>>76066604
I get it anon. You're lonely, so you've decided to stage a retard roundup, to be with others of your kind. Proceed. . .
https://youtu.be/95Hpix8O9Qs
http://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs
>>76071546
you dont get to piggyback on the success of others just because you think you should.
all people are not equal, some do great things and some are shit.
if an american walks on the moon that doesnt make you any less trash
>>76085138
The earth should be about 4 times bigger in that picture.
>>76085083
>he posted the hat guy video
Even the maker of that video admits he was wrong. It was thoroughly debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x49lImzw5s
>>76066700
>We as in mankind?
What the fuck? it was all the USA, why do you Europoors feel the need to leech off the American acomplisments? you didnt do shit, your greatest achivement since WW2 is letting in 10 million refugees.
If anything the USA achieved this in spite of the rest of humanity.
>>76070646
This kind of gave me a freedom boner
>>76085282
It has to do with parallax and lens correction timing, if you knew anything about engineering and or the sciences and art you would know how stupid your comment was and or is.
>>76085378
the futility of arguing with moon hoax retards.
I have many entertaining "discussions" on line with conspiritards and I have endeavored to talk some sense in to them but have since found this to be futile.
The issue is many fold. The conspiritard is 100% certain that they are right which means that that the only thing that would possibly convince them otherwise is to take them to the moon and show them.
Though I am almost certain that they would attempt to prove that they did not really go to the moon and that it was all an elaborate simulation.
>>76085664
he amount of delusion required to believe in a conspiracy is mind boggling. Here is what you have to NOT have knowledge of to believe in the moon landing hoax:
no live video, only a nasa bootleg which they lost along with tons of other shit
Then they recorded over it
Fake moon rocks
Ridiculous looking slomo video full of anomalies
Freemason astronauts who don't do anything cool on the moon like jump really really high
>>76085685
Photography - if the conspiritard took a photography class they would quickly understand the reasons for certain "anomalies" in images taken on the moon; things like missing stars, why shadows (in pictures) sometimes show detail and sometimes do not. lens artifacts, lens distortion, What causes shadows, how to determine the direction of a light source from shadows. How close the horizon appears on a planet that is WAY smaller than the earth. How to tell the shape of objects just from shadows. How lenses and f-stops can affect depth of field and how close objects appear together, and a whole host of things that I learned about in a fifth grade photography class long before I heard of anyone who thought the moon landings were a host. Seriously take a photography class! that alone answers 99.9999% of what you "see" in NASA photos.
>>76085747
Physics - action and reaction, how things behave in a vacuum (dust, flags, etc), effects of low gravity, how a person's center of gravity is changed (like when wearing a space suit). Why and how we went to the moon the way we did. Once again most of this I learned in school before I graduated 8th grade, and I did not take any special classes, just a science class.
>>76085773
1960's Technology - We went to the moon on the very cutting edge of technology at the time. Technology that would be dangerous to use by today's standards. It was just enough at the right time to get us there and back, whereas conversely 1960's computer, video, and film technology was severely lacking that it has only just barely become possible to fake the moon landings now (in real time) and have it believable. Any government that tried to do so would have to somehow manage to fool thousands of amateur astronomers who would be following everything in real time and even intercept telemetry. So while it would be possible it would be so difficult (and stupid) that it would still just be easier to go to the moon.
>>76085803
Then there are the things you HAVE to believe in for the conspiracy to work:
>>76085831
The cover up - There were THOUSANDS of people involved in the space program. All of these people would have had to have been silenced. Foreign countries would have had to be in on it, and THOUSANDS of people in those countries would have to be silenced. What a PR coup it would have been for Russia to prove that we did not go to the moon. China has been to the moon and you would think they would be all over the opportunity to prove we did not go there. No, they all know we went.
>>76085426
stop being so mean
>>76085883
The Jews - Somehow the jews faked the moon landings for reasons that make no sense whatsoever. In reality "the Jew" probably helped finance us actually getting there since it would help them out monetarily or something (I never understood the whole jews behind everything conspiracies). This one I just dismiss outright.
The rest of what you have to believe escapes me since I have rational and logical thoughts and cannot fathom the mind of the conspiritard.
>>76085234
>>76085426
Here you go >>76074157
>>76085477
>muh parallax and lens correction timing!
Do you use that excuse for your 300lb body aswell?
>>76085950
The last is just making shit up. every argument I have ever seen involves outright denial, fabrication, irrational and illogical arguments, ignoring facts and evidence, and then they just start calling you a jew or saying you are part of the cover up and conspiracy. The conspiritard is tireless and unrelenting, he will stop at nothing to tell the world about his "truth" no matter how dumb he looks. The conspiritard has been around for as long as man has been conscious. Only the conspiritard know why he does it. I only wish I could be around when we go back to the moon and the stuff is still there. The conspiritard will be right there saying that it was all put up there the day before. Stay classy conspiritards your antics are amusing as they are aggravating.
>>76085961
>>76066604
I'm going to tell you about a concept that I call 'conspiracy misdirection'. It's basically a type of misinformation/disinformation. Conspiracy misdirection is what happens when a conspiracy theory is propagated that is considered to be the truth about whatever that conspiracy theory is about, but actually is NOT the truth and hides an even GREATER conspiracy that is TRUE (and thus NOT a 'theory'). One of the MAJOR techniques that intelligence agencies such as the CIA, MI5, the Mossad, etc. use to deceive us is conspiracy misdirection, which is to make certain conspiracy theories popular in mainstream society that are used to push us further away from the truth. I'll give you an example: They'll tell us that the Apollo 11 Moon landing never happened, although I think that what most likely happened is that the Apollo 11 Moon landing not only happened, but they found more than they bargained for on the Moon like artifacts and ruins which CONFIRM that we are NOT alone in the universe. Eventually, we might have even been warned to never come back - which might explain why we've never gone back to the Moon since 1972. Even if we weren't warned to never return to the Moon, we DID land on the Moon and found WORKS OF INTELLIGENCE on it. I am UTTERLY CONVINCED that people on the NASA payroll are promoting the 'Moon hoax' conspiracy theory to push people further from the possibility that beings (possibly even ancient HUMAN beings) landed on the Moon a long time ago and built stuff there. The 'Moon hoax' theory might have even been CREATED by NASA employees. COME ON people, THINK. What do you think is the more paradigm-shattering secret?: The possibility that we DIDN'T land on the Moon or the possibility that we DID land on the Moon and found artificial stuff there? OBVIOUSLY it's the second possibility. (end of part 1)
>>76086059
(start of part 2) You see, the REAL reason why the second possibility is being hidden from us is NOT because a loving government wants to prevent mass panic (that's just the cover story), but because they want to prevent us from asking 'too many' questions. If it were confirmed that we DID land on the Moon and found artificial stuff there but were lied to about such a historic discovery, then people (and LOTS of them) WOULD ask more questions about what else they've been lied to about. They'd say "Well, they lied to us about that, so what ELSE have they lied to us about? The origin and history of the human species? The pharmaceutical industry? Free energy? The banking industry?" It opens the door to EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. And THAT'S why the 'Moon hoax' theory is FIERCELY promoted, while most people have almost NEVER heard of that second possibility (and, more worryingly, probably haven't even THOUGHT ABOUT IT). Another example of conspiracy misdirection is the sudden popularity of the Flat Earth theory. The sudden popularity of the Flat Earth theory is a CIA psyop designed to divide and distract people from the TRUE nature of Earth, which is that Earth is HOLLOW. Earth's crust is about 800 miles thick and there is a 'sun' at Earth's centre (which is actually a nuclear fission reactor) which is about 650 miles in diameter and the distance between a dweller in the Inner Earth world and their inner central 'sun' is only about 2,900 miles. (end of part 2)
>>76086087
(start of part 3) Okay, this is a shorter version of what conspiracy misdirection is for people that don't like reading lots of text: Conspiracy misdirection is when a false conspiracy theory is used to hide a true conspiracy theory that has even more far-reaching implications than the false conspiracy theory. (end)
>>76086129
Can someone photoshop a picture of an Autist holding a timestamp on the moon?
>>76066604
Does it matter ?
>>76086129
Ok now that you've got that little spam tantrum out of your system, please stop posting videos that even the creator admits was debunked by this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x49lImzw5s
If you're so secure in your beliefs you shouldn't need to post videos you know are incorrect.
>>76086011
>he conspiritard will be right there saying that it was all put up there the day before. Stay classy conspiritards your antics are amusing as they are aggravating.
Of course they will.
I really want to see when we really go back there and actually show footage, with what mind boggeling crap they come up with to explain the ageing and exposure of the stuff left behind for 60+ years in such an environment.
Well guess nasa had a secret hanger where they keept all apolo stuff seald in vacuum and periodically showed them in micro meteoroids and UV radiation.
>>76086129
No offence intended but seriously they're not that bright, they said they could and would go, they couldn't so they faked the shit out of it.
Kennedy was a notorious panderer, he pandered to the nigger, he pandered to the rednecks, he had the US ready to explode. The Moon shot was just more pandering only to big corporations and the military, Nixon just took in over.
>>76068717
>50 years later no nation on Earth can duplicate 1960's-era technology to conduct their own moon landing
They landed on the moon, and then realized it's fucking empty (like much of space) and ever since that there is LITERALLY no reason to go back.
The shitposting is real
