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>>76013436
Thank you for making these threads by the way aussie.
>>76014062
>>76014062
This is actually the first I've made, kek, but I appreciate your gratitude. I'm just glad that Christ/pol/ is a thing again.
There's been some fantastic conversations today! I wonder when the Czech guy got bored?
>>76014095
Yes, Elohim is in Genesis, but it's not called "Trinity", and does not define the features of the Godhead. It is not a coincidence that the first heresies in Chruch history denied the Trinity. They too went around saying "hurr durr where in da bible does it say dat?"
>>76014074
And you're a Christian and have faith in Christ *why*?
>Look at history. The Church always existed whereas every sect of protestantism is an off-shoot of the 1500 reformation
That's an appeal to tradition.
You haven't given me any reason to trust what you believe in is true that isn't an appeal to authority or tradition. You've only told me that you do believe it's true.
>>76014262
Hmmmm, a plural word for God, but used in the singular sense.
I wonder what that reminds me of.
And Who was hovering over the face of the deep again?
And Who is speaking?
And what was created without Jesus?
>>76013436
Good job, pawns. Keep setting up your brothers and sisters for us to knock us down like bowling pins, stupid goy.
>>76014453
>He hasn't read Revelation 2, 3, 19-22
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>>76014280
>And you're a Christian and have faith in Christ *why*?
I believe in his death and resurrection, I believe he is God. I have always believed in Him. I still remember when I was a little kid and I felt sad and alone, and I kept praying to God how much I love him.
>That's an appeal to tradition.
Not really. That's an appeal to reality. Historical events are not a matter of Church Tradition but are an objective reality.
>You haven't given me any reason to trust what you believe in is true that isn't an appeal to authority or tradition.
Appeal to the authority of Jesus is not a fallacy for me
Appeal to Sacred Tradition neither.
Either way both of these things are much more likely to be correct than just reading the Bible and coming up with your own interpretations in 2016
>You've only told me that you do believe it's true.
Well I am sorry Mr.Dawkins, but at a certain point you have to make a leap of faith. You will never be sure of anything 100%, that is what faith is about. The case for Catholicism though, I believe to be the strongest.
>>76014403
>Hmmmm, a plural word for God, but used in the singular sense.
sure but none of that implies all persons of the trinity are one hypostacy. Church Tradition defended our concept of the Trinity. You rely on their defence of it to justify the existence of the Trinity as we understand it. You simply refute all the other truths the Church gives to you.
>And Who was hovering over the face of the deep again?
>And Who is speaking?
>And what was created without Jesus?
You literally just saw a JW denying the trinity, and you are telling me it is super-obvious and even without the Church nobody would deny it? lmao.
>>76014680
>He thinks Revelation is canon
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>>76014748
One of these days I'm gonna show your image to some of my Protestant friends and see if their heads explode.
>>76014748
Yes. We've already determined you do believe. I'm asking you for a *reason* to. I already know what my reason is, and it's far more honest than what you've been articulating.
You believe God is in the Heavens and Christ is God/the Son of God who sacrificed Himself for the sins of mankind, and that *all that happened* and you *KNOW* it happened (because you are saying you know) -BECAUSE- (______).
>>76015175
If you won't try to understand "faith" as the answer to a question for which "faith" is, in fact, the answer, discussion is sort of over.
>>76014748
>Either way both of these things are much more likely to be correct than just reading the Bible and coming up with your own interpretations in 2016
Actually they're not. It's illogical to just assert they are. Which is one of the reasons I rail on you Catholics so much - because you utilize horrifically wrong reasoning like that.
>>76015453
You don't have faith for no reason. You don't believe the sun is going to rise in the morning "just because".
Sorry bro - there's still shit you have to account for.
>>76014748
>Church Tradition
Guess what I consider the equivalent of your church's tradition.
>>76015260
They don't teach Revelation in Babylon, because it doesn't reflect well on Babylon.
>>76015175
so you are asking me this from a secular perspective. Answering that would require much more space and characters than are required on 4chan. I guess one way I could summarize is that everything about Christ is pure truth, pure way, pure life. Nothing about him was ever found to be wrong by me. You could say that I see no valid reason why I should not believe in Him. Also I love Him with every fiber of my being, and beyond any empirical proof that is good enough for me. I believe blindly those whom I love.
>>76015462
>Actually they're not
Your opinion is not a fact though.
>>76015568
I don't care what you consider.
>>76015780
Also pic related
>>76015780
I know, papist, I know.
>>76013436
Why didn't god just fly the eagles into hell to stop the devil?.
>>76015896
Then Aragorn would not be the revealed King, would he.
>>76015896
What if Zelda was a girl?
>>76015462
>Actually they're not.
It is not more likely that the understanding coming out of the time of the writing is correct than a 2016 interpretation?
Who was Lucifer and why did he fall?
>>76016100
He was created as the highest angel, a cherub in charge of the assembly of the angels, decked out in the finest robes, given the best jewels to wear, and equipped with the finest instruments.
Not good enough.
He wanted to place his throne above God's, and be worshiped as God.
The instant his sin crossed his heart, his coup failed, and he and 1/3 of the heavenly host under his command were damned.
I've lost my way. I'd say I lost my faith, but I still believe and try to live by the virtues and commandments.
I just can't stand the cronyism and corruption in the church.
Should I be a more observant Catholic and adhere to the church or should I maintain worship in my own way.
>>76016100
He was a Babylonian king mentioned in Isaiah 14:12.
>>76015780
You *believe* everything about Christ is pure truth, pure life, etc. I'm asking you why you do. Why believe that rather than that Punpun the kobold is responsible for you existence? I'm not asking from a secular perspective - I'm asking period.
I'm a Christian myself. I believe because I *WANT* to believe and thus choose to. I don't claim I know the whole Truth or even part of it - I only believe what I'm working with in regard to God is true (most of the Bible). What you do - and it's what I object to *all* Catholics* when they do - is try to claim you know something you can't *POSSIBLY* know and then assert that as the *ONLY* way to be as an illogical dogma. It's the height of hubris. It's intellectually horrific to witness you yell at people that you're right, and if they question you you simply assert *YOU JUST ARE*.
>>76016355
pic related
>>76016355
You should seek Jesus with an open heart, and find Him. You should confess out loud that He is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead.
You should do those things first.
>>76015780
>Your opinion is not a fact though
It's not my opinion. It's a fact that logical fallacies don't bring credibility or likelihood to the claims they're supposed to support. That's why they're fallacies.
>>76016374
He was the spiritual power over the Babylonian king mentioned in Isaiah 14, as he is the spiritual power over the King of Tyre mentioned in Ezekiel 28.
>>76016420
>I'm a Christian myself
>Says the deist.
>>76016355
Have you thought about the Catholic East?
>>76016079
No. As a matter of *FACT* they're not. Just like saying the theory of a geocentric universe is more likely today just because it experienced a longer history, it is not more likely that an old "understanding" of something is more likely than a new one just for having been around longer.
>>76015709
Kek
>>76016635
Don't you have a liquor store to rob, Jerome?
>>76016420
I don't claim that I am right, I claim that Jesus is. Everything about us comes from him.
>I WANT to believe
You make it sounds like you are forcing yourself to do so. I don't force myself, I believe because I believe in Truth. Those who hear Truth believe in it, and don't need to force themselves to do so.
The existence of God is self-evident, the only place in which I use my reason, is to discern between what on earth is a manifestation of God's Will and what isn't, i.e. to discern what is true Church Christ founded and what isnt'
>It's intellectually horrific to witness you yell at people that you're right
Give me a fucking break. Catholics don't care about your heresies. It is you who go around telling everyone that just need to repeat the formula "I believe in Jesus" and they are saved forever, but Catholics are destined to hell even if they believe in it because "muh whore of babylon". It is you who go around harassing others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7BQoNzBntg
>>76016550
>it's not my opinion
that fact that it is not just your opinion, is your opinion too
>>76016785
I'm white as the newly driven snow and have never butchered translating the bible utterly, person who believes the same thing the devil believes.
>>76017135
>Catholics don't care about your heresies.
Tell that to 68,000,000 murdered "heretics".
>>76017194
>muh 68 gorillion
you discredit yourself by parroting that bullshit
>>76016700
You are using a fallacious analogy. Textual exegesis isn't anything like astrology. The further we get away from the date of the text the less information we have to build on.
Anyone else here an ex fedora tipper that either converted or now understands the importance of Christianity?
>>76017600
Yup, in fact I was at one point a Zeitgeist evangelist hardcore fedora tipper.
I only look back at my teenaged years and cringe.
>>76017135
I don't know why that sounds to you like I force myself to believe, since it comes incredibly easily to me to do so. I also want to eat a gyro - I don't know how that would imply I'm forcing myself to want to eat a gyro.
You claim Jesus is right. I do too. The difference is I don't claim I *KNOW* 100% that *I* know what Christ says - I just believe I do in some degree. So I don't *KNOW* Christ is right, I just believe He is.
But Catholics aren't so humble. They claim, 100% - because that's what dogma means; something can't be incontrovertible if there's room for doubt - that they *KNOW* it all without any doubt.
Don't strawman me. Catholics are Christians, and they're not necessarily hellbound. Only Jerome here and a bunch of other retards thinks cucklics are necessarily hellbound.
>>76016062
She is
>>76017600
Me. I was the most fedora tipping athiest in the world. I dont genuinely believe in christ, but I wish I couls. However I still pray and practise Christian values.
>>76016100
Satan
>>76017962
Could*
>>76017404
>astrology
It has nothing whatsoever to do with dates. We consequently have more from the Greeks and Romans before the fall of Rome than we do for hundreds of years after. Time has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
>>76017360
You shame yourself by not knowing your own history.
>>76014680
>he thinks his Jew-inspired fairy tales are real
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What do you Christians think of modern paganism in Europe?
>>76017886
>Catholics are Christians
>Dogs are Cats
>Apples are Oranges
>>76017962
You're moving in the right direction. Don't quit.
>>76017962
Same. I really wish I wasn't such a skeptical person. Hoping to pick up a gold cross to wear pretty soon
>>76018156
Catholicism? Can't stand it.
>>76017962
Belief is kind of impossible if you conflate belief with knowledge or rationalization. Check out Kierkegaard bro
>>76018280
Don't quit. Quitters never win and winners never quit.
>>76018302
Interesting.
Just watched a short video which I really think highlights the case of the insufferable atheists vs your everyday Christians
I liked it so I thought I would share it
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqAco8a7vEE
What do you guys think? It's like a comment section come to life in video
>>76018333
When you believe something long enough, and you mature in your belief, it becomes knowledge.
It was always knowledge, but your doubt kept it as a belief.
See Jesus, not Kierkegaard.
>>76018147
The things written in Revelation aren't real... yet.
>>76013436
>Christian thread
>Theme song - Era
>Era
>Christian
No
This is the new theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWUW0W_xY4
>>76017886
>You claim Jesus is right. I do too. The difference is I don't claim I *KNOW* 100% that *I* know what Christ says
I believe 100% in what Christ said. I believe he protects the Magisterium from teaching error.
>They claim, 100% - because that's what dogma means; something can't be incontrovertible if there's room for doubt - that they *KNOW* it all without any doubt.
We believe without any doubt the dogma, of course. That is the point of having a dogma in the first place. We do believe that our understanding of the dogma is just as deep as our intellect allows it. That does not mean the dogma is a matter of opinion and you can change it to create heresy like protestants do.
>So I don't *KNOW* Christ is right, I just believe He is.
>But Catholics aren't so humble
The problem with your reasoning, is that you think you can define what Jesus said just by reading the Bible, without the help of apostolic tradition to interpret it correctly. That interpretation was passed down to the apostles to Jesus. So if you don't believe the Church you are pretty much saying you don't believe Jesus.
>>76018100
>You shame yourself by not knowing your own history.
pot calling the kettle black
>>76018500
*to the apostles by Jesus
>>76018200
They believe everything necessary for salvation. They just also believe a whole lot of other horse shit. Even Moses fucked up - didn't mean Moses was hellbound.
>>76013436
God bless you all.
>>76018494
>implying it ever will be real
>implying it wasn't the original Jewish revenge porn based on Jewish lies and fairy tales
top cuck
>>76018376
God bless. I don't think I'll ever go back to tipping. I'm probably gonna start going to church. Should I become protestant or catholic?
>>76018653
May God bless you too, anon.
>>76018708
(You)
>>76018500
I know my own history; a history of not bending the knee to Rome, and eluding the genocidal maniacs unleashed by the Vatican.
"From the birth of Popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery."
-- "History of Romanism," pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871.
Clark’s Martyrology counts the number of Waldensian martyrs during the first half of the 13th century in France alone at two million. From A.D. 1160-1560 the Waldensians which dwelt in the Italian Alps were visited with 36 different fierce persecutions that spared neither age nor sex (Thomas Armitage, A History of the Baptists, "Post-Apostolic Times - The Waldensians," 1890). They were almost completely destroyed as a people and most of their literary record was erased from the face of the earth. From the year 1540 to 1570 "it is proved by national authentic testimony, that nearly one million of Protestants were publicly put to death in various countries in Europe, besides all those who were privately destroyed, and of whom no human record exists" (J.P. Callender, Illustrations of Popery, 1838, p. 400).
>>76018494
>yet
lmao
>>76018612
shouldn't this whore be servicing your Greatest Ally? I mean, you don't want her to be "cursed" by your sky daddy for "cursing" the Chosen People with blue balls, don't you?
>>76018500
>We do believe that our understanding of the dogma is just as deep as our intellect allows it
Then it wouldn't be a dogma. Because our intellect through reasoning necessitates doubt toward any and all premises in life more ambitious than "there are thoughts". Since, for all you know, you're living in the Matrix and everything you experience is more or less illusory. We can't escape from that doubt. And thus we can't have dogma that is consistent with reason.
>>76018603
They do not. They believe their membership, good standing, and baptism in the Roman Catholic Church, as well as their participation in rites and rituals such as the Eucharist and confirmation, equate to salvation.
They err as much as you do.
>>76018796
>>76018780
You should be born again in the Spirit and become a new creation in Christ Jesus; if you confess with your mouth, that is to say out loud that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (Rom. 10:9).
>>76018036
That was supposed to be astronomy, in reference to Geo vs heliocentric.
Dates matter a lot in exegesis. Contrary to your claims, the writings of 7th century Church Fathers are less in question than those of the 2nd. And the NT authors more so. The further back you go, the more you have to rely on supposition to fill in your exegesis. This is why the closers you are to the time of writing the better opportunity you have to understand it.
>>76018846
>>76018156
Satan
>>76018780
In my biased opinion you should become Catholic. Pray to God for guidance along with doing your own research. 4+3 chan xtian is a good place to ask questions also.
>>76018280
Read Romans 1
>>76018902
They do believe in that shit. They also believe in Christ as their Savior and Redeemer.
I think they're horribly wrong, but they're not necessarily without Grace, Jerome.
>>76013436
how will a pacifist religion like all flavours of Christianity ever recover in the West?
as an unbeliever watching from the sidelines for decades now I can clearly tell it's been losing bigtime since the sexual revolution and the relentless attack on nuclear family
>>76016275
Why did this happen to Lucifer.
>>76019183
pilpul:the infographic
>>76013436
>Catholics and Protestants alike are welcome to discuss theology.
I am a Protestant of the Reformed tradition, and I find your exclusion of our Orthodox brethren disturbing.
>>76018819
>-- "History of Romanism," pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871.
WOW such an unbiased source, I am #protestantmissile now
One episode is enough to let you understand why the Inquisition killed very few people. A woman was found guilty of marrying the devil, and she wasn't sentenced to death but exorcised and put for a couple of days in the public plaza to be shamed by the public.
>>76018862
Why do you have to go full retard everytime? You give me the impression that you purposedly act obnoxious.
Deepening our understanding of dogma does not mean changing it. To make an example, it's like you knew something is red, until you found out it is not just red, but a certain shade of red, let's say "dark red". You have deepened your understanding, not changed it.
We don't change dogma.
>>76018780
You should be Lutheran
>>76019349
We are to be persecuted and hated until we die. The end times will come someday soon I think. The church has reached all corners of the world and some have accepted it and others have rejected it. There is not much more to be done.
Nothing short of a tribulation of great magnitude will bring these people to Gods feet.
>>76018200
>The Church from which all others, including every protestant denomination, splintered from.
>Not Christian
Pick one.
>>76019508
I just copied the OP's text from the thread before this one, pls no bully.
>>76019028
"Less in question" does not say anything about the truth or validity of anything. It's an appeal to authority to suggest it does.
That's the issue, and it's what I've expressed enough already that you ought to have picked up on it.
>>76018780
Catholic of course
>>76019563
>I can't, fornication is a grave sin
Ironic, considering Luther did what he did exactly because he wanted to get his dick wet, and the CC prohibited him from doing that
>>76019521
I'm not suggesting you change dogma. I'm suggesting you don't *HAVE* dogma, because you *DON'T KNOW ANYTHING INCONTROVERTIBLY*. I can introduce doubt - *necessary* doubt - toward all but one premise. Out of an infinite number of premises.
Understanding it's possible all of your experience could be a lie does not "change" your dogma. It invalidates your dogma, since, if it's possible for your dogma to be incorrect, then it's not a dogma. And since it *IS* possible your dogma is incorrect, it isn't a dogma at all - it's just a shoe-horned, obstinate belief.
>>76018780
Protestant. You know that the Catholic church has ceased all Christ like activities and has taken frivolous festivities for Godliness. Many protestant Churches are guilty of this as well but you might as well study hard and pray hard to build a good church not beholden to anyone but God and his judgements towards you and your congregation. Don't be answerable to man but to God only.
>>76019675
On one hand you have the dues vult.
On the other you have the pope kissing Muslim feet and undermining Christianity as a whole.
>>76019563
kek
>writes book "On Jews and their Lies"
>bases his whole fucking faith on Jews and their lies
>>76019658
No bullying meant. I was responding to what I felt might be bullying itself.
I'll post a slightly modified version of your original post that you can copy and paste next time. Read it and see if it meets with your approval:
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Catholics, Coptics, Protestants, and Orthodox alike are welcome to discuss theology. Try to be polite.
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>>76019604
isn't that a defeatist attitude, literal slave mentality? if you get pushed, you should push back twice as hard, at least that's what common sense and my life experience tell me
>>76019326
>Deists telling Christians that Catholics are Christians.
kek
>>76019439
It didn't happen to him; he did it. He wanted to be God; he wasn't satisfied the way he was made, and started to believe that everything he was and had was due to his own efforts.
Sound familiar?
>>76019943
>I'm suggesting you don't *HAVE* dogma, because you *DON'T KNOW ANYTHING INCONTROVERTIBLY*
we are still humans. For instance, we KNOW God exists, we even KNOW him as he came on earth in the form of Jesus. Does that mean we know everything about him? Absolutely not! Our mind will never be able to comprehend him fully, that does not mean what we understand of him is not right. What we know is 100% true, even though not 100% full due to our limited human understanding.. According to your logic God is not dogma.
> It invalidates your dogma, since, if it's possible for your dogma to be incorrect, then it's not a dogma
None of my reasoning implies dogma is incorrect. As I said: 100% true knowledge, even if not 100% full. You don't need to know what all the molecules of the table in front of you are made of to know that in front of you is a table. Your knowledge is 100% true, even if not 100% full.
>>76020063
Popes come and go, but Deus Vult remains.
>>76020320
We are slaves of God. We are citizens of the Kingdom of God. The world here is not our home.
Don't be a goat.
>>76019563
>>76019521
The Catholic crusade against the Albigenses in Southern France (from 1209-1229), under Popes Innocent III., Honorius III. and Gregory IX., was one of the bloodiest tragedies in human history. … The number of Albigenses that perished in the twenty years’ war is estimated at from one to two millions.
-- Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XIV.
W. E. H. Lecky says:
"That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history. The memorials, indeed, of many of her persecutions are now so scanty, that it is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no power of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings." -- "History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe," Vol. II, p. 32. London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1910.
Need I speak to you of the thirty years’ war in Germany, which was mainly instigated by the Jesuits, in order to deprive the Protestants of the right of free religious worship, secured to them by the treaty of Augsburg? Or of the Irish rebellion, of the inhuman butchery of about fifteen millions of Indians in South America, Mexico and Cuba, by the Spanish papists? In short, it is calculated by authentic historians, that papal Rome has shed the blood of sixty-eight millions of the human race in order to establish her unfounded claims to religious dominion (citing Dr. Brownlee’s “Popery an enemy to civil liberty”, p. 105).
>>76019605
Christians: 32 AD
Catholics: 325 AD
Which came first?
>>76020343
>niggers telling Christians that Christians aren't Christians
top kek
>>76019886
>Ironic, considering Luther did what he did exactly because he wanted to get his dick wet
Well meme'd. Luther did what he did out of a desire to address certain issues facing the Catholic Church at the time. He didn't even meet Katharina until he was already excommunicated anyway. If anyone did what they did to get their dick wet, it was Henry VIII.
>>76020280
I'm not an authority on the OP pasta, so I can just say what I personally think of it.
I like your alteration, it's important that these threads cater to all Christians. In saying that, we should be watchful not to pander too much to minority Christian groups. We are all one in Christ, ultimately.
>>76020553
32AD sounds reasonable. Did you know we found NT manuscripts where the dead sea scrolls were found and they date to 50AD?
>>76020637
>Deists confused on race issues.
Do you really think calling a white man a nigger is the best way to attack him?
>>76020670
I'm the maker of the pastebin. If you got suggestions I can add my skype to it.
>>76020676
That would actually shock me. Not that they were written that early, but that they were found.
>>76020155
He wrote that near the end of his life, so no, he didn't base his faith on hating Jews.
>>76020508
Still prottie propaganda from unbiased sources
>will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history
lmao
>Need I speak to you of the thirty years’ war in Germany, which was mainly instigated by the Jesuits
ahahahah don't forget jesuits are also reptilians from Alpha Centauri anon
>Or of the Irish rebellion, of the inhuman butchery of about fifteen millions of Indians in South America, Mexico and Cuba, by the Spanish papists?
ahahahahahah comedy gold
>>76020412
I'm not about to tell you you aren't human or pretend I'm not. I don't know what relevance that has toward what I'd said though.
We neither *KNOW* that God exists, nor KNOW that Christ did all He did. We *BELIEVE* He did - that's faith. Basic epistemological constraints can't let us claim we know these things. That's the whole problem.
>>76020726
I don't know if it's the best but it's certainly funny. Even more so if you're actually a lying Tyroneekwa.
>>76020665
>posts picture of degenerate man that departed from the Catholic Church because he wanted to marry, fuck, divorce and kill lots of women
It's like you want to prove me right anon
>He didn't even meet Katharina until he was already excommunicated anyway.
oh then it is totally ok anon, it totally does not show that he was after his own desires and not after truth, you really got me there, lmao
>>76020500
>>76020824
This was the century of the last religious wars in “Christendom,” the Thirty Years’ War in Germany, fomented by the Jesuits, reducing the people to cannibalism, and the population of Bohemia from 4,000,000 to 780,000, and of Germany from 20,000,000 to 7,000,000, and making Southern Germany almost a desert, ...
-- Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII.
In addition to the Jesuit or Catholic atrocities of this century already enumerated with some particulars, they massacred 400 Protestants at Grossoto, in Lombardy, July 19th, 1620; are said to have destroyed 400,000 Protestants in Ireland, in 1641, by outright murder, and cold, and hunger, and drowning; …
-- Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII.
book “Plea for the West” by Lyman Beecher (Cincinnati, Truman and Smith, 1835), pp. 130-131:
And let me ask again, whether the Catholic religion, in its union with the state, has proved itself so unambitious, meek, and unaspiring so feeble, and easy to be entreated, as to justify-a proud, contempt of its avowed purpose and systematic movements to secure an ascendancy in this nation? It is accidental that in alliance with despotic governments, it has swayed a sceptre of iron, for ten centuries over nearly one-third of; the population of, the globe, and by a death of violence is estimated to have swept from 'the' earth about sixty-eight millions of its inhabitants, and holds now in darkness and bondage nearly half the civilized world?
>Papists waiting for the pope to ask forgiveness for slaughtering 68,000,000+ before believing history is history.
>>76019669
Maybe I misunderstood.
I am saying that a 2nd century writer and therefore the Tradition based on that is more likely to understand the meaning of 1st century texts. That you will get a clearer truth, as the writer proposes it, from Tradition than picking up a Bible and just reading it without exegesis. Nothing necessarily about the accuracy of the writer and his writings.
>>76020842
>We neither *KNOW* that God exists, nor KNOW that Christ did all He did. We *BELIEVE* He did - that's faith. Basic epistemological constraints can't let us claim we know these things. That's the whole problem.
This is a cop out and pure damage control, but I'll accept it. The table analogy still stands.
Even if you don't know that a table is made of molecules, you are still capable of discerning it is a table. Your knowledge in that case is 100% true, even if not 100% full. Same thing with dogma.
>>76020931
Remember when you thought you were a Christian? You'd get on the board and spout the most foolish nonsense imaginable.
Good times, good times.
>>76020993
>>76018995
Baptist
>>76021149
Lost people have no ability to understand the things of God, no matter how close to the source they are.
Lost people handing other lost people their lost people tradition even less so.
When you abandon the Word of God, don't expect God to be with you.
>>76021149
I don't think so. It's certainly possible we understand more about those texts than they ever did.
>>76021300
Orange.
>>76021363
It's quite possible you understand nothing of any of them, as you are a child of satan, deist.
Has anybody noticed Palästinalied being played by the flute players on the street in The Witcher 3 Blood and Wine expansion pack?
>>76019349
Romans 13, the Government serves God in punishing evil, become the Government, punish the evil
>>76021171
I didn't know the truth was a "cop-out".
Whatever makes you feel better?
It's not about a lack of full knowledge, it's about the *FACT* that everything you *THINK* of as "knowledge" may be completely false. So it's not that you could simply not know everything - it's that it's possible you know *NOTHING*.
>>76021137
>Cushing B. Hassell
literally who. Your source would be more authoritative if you quoted an x-man comic
Also this is the website where you took it from, lmao:
http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/secret-history-catholic-church.html
Academic sources / 10 anon, good work
>>76019508
I'm a reformed Baptist
>>76021198
I was unaware that insulting someone - like you've done quite a bit in your time - constituted a sin. Shiiiiet Jaykwon, you've got alot to account for mane.
>>76020984
>It's like you want to prove me right anon
No, I'm saying that you are mixing up Henry VIII's reason for leaving the church with Luther's actions. Read more carefully.
>oh then it is totally ok anon, it totally does not show that he was after his own desires and not after truth, you really got me there, lmao
>implying marriage is evil
God made man and woman, and together they are to become one flesh? What could be evil about what God himself has instituted in holy matrimony?
>>76021505
When Laguedoc was invaded by these monsters, one hundred thousand Albigensees fell in one day! See Bruys vol. iii. 139.
There perished under pope Julian 200,000 Christians: and by the French massacre, on a moderate calculation, in 3 months, 100,000. Of the Waldenses there perished 150,000; of the Albigenses, 150,000. There perished by the Jesuits in 30 years only 900,000. The Duke of Alva destroyed by the common hangman alone, 36,000 persons; the amount murdered by him is set down by Grotius at 100,000! There perished by the fire, and tortures of the Inquisition in Spain, Italy, and France 150,000. … In the Irish massacres there perished 150,000 Protestants!
To sum up the whole, the Roman Catholic church has caused the ruin, and destruction of a million and a half of Moors in Spain; nearly two millions of Jews South America in Europe. In Mexico, and , including the islands of Cuba and St. Domingo, fifteen millions of Indians, in 40 years, fell victims to popery. And in Europe, and the East Indies, and in America, 50 millions of Protestants, at least, have been murdered by it!
Thus the church of Rome stands before the world, “the woman in scarlet, on the scarlet colored Beast.” A church claiming to be Christian, drenched in the blood of sixty-eight millions, and five hundred thousand human beings!
-- W. C. Brownlee, Letters in the Roman Catholic controversy, 1834, pp. 347-348.
>You: Who? The Jesuits didn't teach us these people.
>>76021406
Sure. Same for you, though you're not honest enough to say so. After all, Tyrese the Giga-Wizard knows everything. Trust him. He tells you so.
>>76020553
107(first written use of the Catholic Church) is now 325.
When is the first writing that mentions your Church anon?
P.S. The Church is the continuance of that founded by Christ.
>>76021505
Nope. Guess again.
But thanks for the ammo!
1209 - The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France on July 22, 1209. Both Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their crusade, almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated (reference Link 1 and Link 2).
1236 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France in a severe wave of persecution (reference Link 1 and Link 2).
1481 - - At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities torture, burn and slaughter tens, even hundreds of thousands of people during the Spanish Inquisition (Jean Antoine Llorentine, History of the Inquistion; as cited in R.W. Thompson, The Papacy and the Civil Power (New York, 1876); as cited in Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast).
1540 - 1570 - Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period (source: Halley's Bible Handbook).
1553 - 1558 - Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka bloody Mary) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, nearly 300 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders (Link).
>>76021230
Stay cucked, Mario
LUTHERAN PRIDE WORLD WIDE
>>76020467
>We are slaves of God
ok I get that but it doesn't mean you should submit to invading death cultists, for instance, a pressing issue plaguing my not-too-distant Western European neighbours
why is "an eye for an eye.." not valid in such a circumstance?
>>76021770
1572 - St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside (Link).
1618 - 1648 - The Thirty Years War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).
1641 - 1649 - Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of hundreds of thousands of Protestants (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).
1685 - French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.
Circa 1938 - 1945 - Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.
1941 - 1945 - The Roman Catholic Ustashi in Yugoslavia butchered Hundreds of thousands of Yugoslav citizens, Serbs, Jews and Roma. And Hundreds of thousands were forced to convert to Catholicism.
>>76021604
James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
>>76021491
>It's not about a lack of full knowledge, it's about the *FACT* that everything you *THINK* of as "knowledge" may be completely false
That is not the CC description of dogma, and I have already explained you why. Refute the arguments as to why that is, or stop repeating the same debunked argument.
> So it's not that you could simply not know everything - it's that it's possible you know *NOTHING*.
I don't see how this assertion has anything to do with my statements. It is not possible that we know nothing in regards to God, because he gave us that knowledge. Even with man-made nowledge we cannot know "nothing" because our imperfect nature makes us incapable of being both 100% right and 100% wrong.
The differece with dogma is that since it comes from God it is 100% right. Our understanding of it cannot be though, so even though we are capable of akwnoledging its character of absolute truth, as it is in our faculties, we cannot explore it fully to all of its extent. That means: dogma is 100% correct, our understanding of it not 100% full (although I would argue it's a pretty good understanding, probably more than 90%)
>>76021689
You're a strange, strange little man.
>>76021717
Revelation 2. 95AD
>>76021933
And you're as ebony as a black-hole with just as much in the way of brains ;)
>>76021832
>Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.
You believe in the holohoax? Kek
>>76021903
Catholic dogma
From satan
Pick two
Everyone is praying all the time.
Every action, decision, thought, impulse are prayers that God's listening to.
>>76021770
>>76021832
So I post a tinfoil-hat website and you immediately take everything it says for granted because it confirms your delusions.
Thank you for proving how intellectually dishonest protties are. It's like you cannot write even a single post without discrediting yourselves
>>76021315
What do you say the Word of God is?
>>76022015
I'm starting to think you're Swedish.
>>76022031
A
fucking
leaf
>>76022061
Prove any one of them is wrong.
>>76020842
Everyone knows God exists, Romans 1, The Greek word for Faith means trust or loyalty
>>76022071
In the context of countering the papist's argument that their tradition rules Christianity, the Word of God refers to the bible.
>>76021605
>No, I'm saying that you are mixing up Henry VIII's reason for leaving the church with Luther's actions. Read more carefully.
Not at all. Their motivations were similar, but not the same. Both wanted to follow carnal pleasure and wallow into sin.
>God made man and woman, and together they are to become one flesh? What could be evil about what God himself has instituted in holy matrimony?
The Church is the bridegroom of Christ. Priests are servants to the believers, their life is one of sacrifice and of marriage to God alone
>>76019252
>>76018612
>>76018280
>>76015260
Is it okay to want to [spoiler]marry[/spoiler] Christ-Chan?
>>76021363
That flies in the face of prima face logic and academic understanding and methods of exegesis.
>>76022103
NOT
AN
ARGUMENT
>>76021903
I wasn't defining dogma. The only thing I have to take issue with - and it's the only thing I *HAVE* taken issue with - is the word "incontrovertible". There is nothing you can establish as incontrovertible in this world besides the premise "there are thoughts".
>It is not possible that we know nothing in regards to God, because he gave us that knowledge
This is circular reasoning. We know (of) God because God (gave us knowledge of God).
That doesn't fly.
>>76013436
Official /pol/ seal of approval
Protected heritage thread
>>76021534
>I'm a reformed Baptist
I am basically a theological clone of Spurgeon.
>>76022073
Got bbc on your mind? Are you gay too? That's a sin.
>>76022137
The word is pistis. It's more synonymous with "belief" than anything else.
>>76022240
SPOOK
But no, I do not believe in the Holohoax. You do.
I know the Holocaust was real, and driven by Catholics.
>>76022037
>>76021789
>being this triggered
lmao.
>>76022128
>Prove any one of them is wrong.
Start by proving them right, lol
I can just as well write:
"anon is a faggot and sucks cocks, he also killed 200 million people yesterday evening after drinking a beer"
"history of faggotry among anons with american flag" - martin j. lutherin 1808, Prague
Can you prove me that statement is wrong, anon?
>>76022314
Pretty bold declaration.
If Jesus preached peace and love, why is /pol/ so hateful?
>>76022231
We all do, anon. We all do.
>>76022231
She is a cartoon and a representation of the ideal gf/wife. It's okay if you want to marry someone like her, because I do too.
>>76022447
You made the claim that they were bogus.
When asked to demonstrate any one of them being bogus, you turn into /reddt/
>>76022476
Because Jesus preached peace and love to people who are naturally neither.
Reminder that Jesus was Jewish and that Proto-Christianity was just a Jewish sect.
Who /elect/ here? (Do not (you) me if you're a Roman Pagan)
>>76022233
There's no such thing as "prima facie logic". Are you trying to talk about defeasibility?
As far as "academic methods" I couldn't care less - that's another appeal to authority/tradition.
>>76022314
That's good
>>76022447
"Let us keep a sense of proportion. The record of 'Christianity' [Roman Catholic] from the days when it first obtained the power to persecute is one of the most ghastly in history. The total number of Manichaeans, Arians, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles, Cathari, Waldensians, Albigensians, witches, Lollards, Hussites, Jews and Protestants killed because of their rebellion against Rome clearly runs to many millions; and beyond these actual executions or massacres is the enormously larger number of those who were tortured, imprisoned, or beggared. I am concerned rather with the positive historical aspect of this. In almost every century a large part of the race has endeavored to reject the Christian religion, and, if in those centuries there had been the same freedom as we enjoy, Roman Catholicism would, in spite of the universal ignorance, have shrunk long ago into a sect. The religious history of Europe has never yet been written." (The Story Of Religious Controversy Chapter XXIII by Joseph McCabe (an atheist) who lived from 1867 to 1955)
>>76022628
Define 'elect'
>>76022377
But you can have a knowledge belief and a loyalty believe
>>76022637
Holy shit you're retarded in secular stuff too.
>>76022541
I don't need to prove them wrong because they don't put forward any evidence. They are not authoritative sources, and their claims are not backed by any evidence.
I have already proved them wrong by showing you that anyone can write something bad about someone with no evidence. If you look up those names listed as sources, literally nothing comes up
>>76013436
I like what Jesus was about. I like Christian values, on paper. But I can never get fully onboard with it, because it's just a very large, matured cult which survived the death of its founder, like Mormonism, Islam and Scientology.
I have to seek out truth, first and foremost. Not just ideals which are useful to me. If I ever find the truth I am looking for I will build my system of rules and principles around that. Simply believing I have the truth is not good enough, either.
>>76022464
>Pretty bold declaration.
He implored people to read their bibles to see if what he was teaching was right or not, so that is what I did.
Turns out he was right more often than not, well, at least according to my own interpretations.
>>76022743
To be chosen by our father to enter his kingdom of life.
>>76022231
>>76022489
>>76022492
>Male Christian
>Not wanting to marry Christ chan
>>76022776
>Joseph McCabe
Joseph Martin McCabe (12 November 1867 – 10 January 1955) was an English writer and speaker on freethought, after having been a Roman Catholic priest earlier in his life. A staunch critic of the Catholic Church, McCabe joined groups such as the Rationalist Association and the National Secular Society. Although he criticised Christianity from a rationalist perspective, he was involved in the South Place Ethical Society which grew out of dissenting Protestantism and was a precursor of modern secular humanism.
Nothing?
Are Rastafari welcome?
To contribute for the sake of discussion
>Revelation 1:14-"His head and hair were white like wool--white as snow--and His eyes like a fiery flame."
>hair were white like wool
With this description and the fact that Jesus was a Nazarite he wouldn't have cut or combed his hair.
>https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/Matthew-Henry/Num/Law-Concerning-Nazarites
>They must not cut their hair. They must neither poll their heads, nor shave their beards; this was the mark of Samson being a Nazarite.
These factors contribute many to rethink the perception of Jesus with straight flowing perfect hair in favor of him having dreadlocks instead. As many people know Natural Neglect is the original way for anyone to get dreadlocks.
Rasta teaches that Jesus was a Rasta and held many of the values that are still taught today.
>We are now trailing out of the realm of facts and into philosophy.
Many modern scholars believe that Jesus could've been most likely middle eastern but it's plausible Jesus may have been West African. Due to the inconclusive evidence this theory is not well put together.
All niggery aside your thoughts?
>>76022763
Oh, you've heard of prima facie logic?
Wanna give us a lesson on that thing that doesn't exist, Jamal?
General question: do you believe the bible is the literal word of God?
>>76022492
Question
Cartoon from where?
Is she an actual character from a show or something that /pol/ created?
>>76022776
William Craig Brownlee (1784 – February 10, 1860) was an American clergyman, professor of languages and author. He was born in Lanarkshire, Scotland and was the fourth son of the Laird of Torfoot. President William McKinley was a distant cousin.
Brownlee founded the Philoclean Society at Rutgers in 1825. Basking Ridge, NJ named a street, Brownlee Place, in his honor.[1]
Nothing?
>>76022743
Those chosen by God prior to the foundation of the earth to be saved from his wrath via Jesus Christ.
>>76022756
What?
You can believe you know something. In one case that belief can be necessarily true. In all others it's not.
>>76022891
You can't marry a cartoon, anon. But if Christ-Chan did exist IRL... I would marry her so hard.
>>76022943
Yes
Based
>>76022943
hair was white like wool =/= hair was like wool
>>76021978
So you are part of the Church at Ephesus, Pergamum, Thyatira, or Smyrna... got it. You'll understand when I question that.
>>76022193
The Word of God doesn't change depending on context heretic. It is always and only Jesus, the incarnate Logos.
>>76022776
Peter of Bruys
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Peter of Bruys
Born Bruis, France
Died c. 1131
St Gilles, France
Occupation Theologian, priest
Portal icon Christianity portal
Peter of Bruys (also known as Pierre De Bruys or Peter de Bruis; fl. 1117 – c.1131) was a popular French religious teacher, who is called a heresiarch (leader of a heretical movement) by the Roman Catholic Church because he criticized infant baptism, opposed the erecting of churches and the veneration of crosses, opposed the doctrine of transubstantiation, and denied the efficacy of prayers for the dead.[1][2] An angry mob killed him in or around the year 1131. Information concerning Peter of Bruys is derived from two extant sources, the treatise of Peter the Venerable against his followers and from a passage written by Peter Abelard.[1]
Nothing?
Oh, maybe the problem is that your computer is hooked to jesuit.net
>>76022776
I don't think you understand the difference between historical evidence and scientific
>>76022972
She just kinda... happened. Someone on /pol/ created her... I think.
I don't believe but I feel like i should at least try. what do?
>>76022851
I can find no fault with the man, and enjoy reading his sermons.
>>76022792
>I like Christian values, on paper. But I can never get fully onboard with it.
That is why Christ went to the cross, friend, because no man is capable of "getting on board with it." That is to say, that no man is capable of keeping the entire law, for all have sinned.
Only the One was capable of fulfilling the law, which he did, on your behalf. Now, his righteousness can substituted for your unrighteousness, so that when the Father looks at you, he sees Christ instead.
>>76022954
Sure.
Jamal.
>>76023006
Well, I have faith in Christ, so there you are.
>>76021820
An eye for an eye is for the Jews. We are not Jews but the bride of Christ. Our behavioral expectation is different and sometimes in this case for example opposite.
Guys we need to make a thread and specify that Pagans i.e. Catholics and Catholic Spawns like Mormons and JWs are not invited.
>>76022792
If Jesus didn't die and resurrect, there is no point in being a Christian
>>76023153
I like christ-chan
>>76023084
Ephesus.
Revelation 2
“I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary.
>>76022222
Checked.
>Not at all. Their motivations were similar, but not the same. Both wanted to follow carnal pleasure and wallow into sin.
How were their motivations similar? I understand that Henry did what he did to chase his carnal desires, but Luther did not. If we assume the 95 theses started it all, just read the introduction: "Out of love for the truth and from desire to elucidate it, the Reverend Father Martin Luther, Master of Arts and Sacred Theology, and ordinary lecturer therein at Wittenberg, intends to defend the following statements and to dispute on them in that place. Therefore he asks that those who cannot be present and dispute with him orally shall do so in their absence by letter. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen." It's an invitation to debate on theology, not Luther chasing after tail. You've created a strawman of Luther and continue to attack it. I've seen you post throughout these threads and I take it that you're a smart guy so I don't understand why you have such basic and uninformed opinions about Luther.
>The Church is the bridegroom of Christ. Priests are servants to the believers, their life is one of sacrifice and of marriage to God alone
Clerical celibacy was only instituted in the middle ages. From the Augsburg Confession: "10] It is also evident that in the ancient Church priests were married men. 11] For Paul says, 1 Tim. 3:2, that a bishop should be chosen who is the husband of one wife."
"15] Furthermore, God ordained marriage to be a help against human infirmity. 16] The Canons themselves say that the old rigor ought now and then, in the latter times, to be relaxed because of the weakness of men; which it is to be wished were done also in this matter. 17] And it is to be expected that the churches shall at some time lack pastors if marriage is any longer forbidden. "
>>76022717
>atheist
>implying he has no interest in saying "le evil" religion killed many millions
>does not even say the number of people who died, simply claim "t-t-they were millions, I s-s-swear"
>creates a connection between many different problems of the Church, in many different geographical locations, throughout fucking millennia of history
>literally says "hurr durr religion is shit" in the quote
anon, I ...
>>76022904
>Joseph Martin McCabe
So a lukewarm Catholic who didn't study the Catechism becomes a prottie and that is supposed to be a good source? He wasn't an academic of history. You are grasping at straws here. I can join the local D&D association, that does not mean I can speak about history. lmao
> he was involved in the South Place Ethical Society which grew out of dissenting Protestantism and was a precursor of modern secular humanism.
So you are admitting Protestantism created secular humanism? AHAHHAHAHAHA Thank you anon, you admitted protestantism is at the root of the atheist degeneracy of today
>>76023005
> was an American clergyman, professor of languages
so a prottie pastor who taught languages, wrote a book about le evil catholic church and claimed to know history.
Wow, really makes you think, I am #prottiemissile now
>>76022955
The autographs were, but the copies are not
>>76023294
We all do, anon. We all do...
>>76023064
Thanks ausbro. I thought the /csg/ needed a little diversity.
>>76023070
You're absolutely right but how do you account for him being Jesus of Nazareth? Therefore he wouldn't have done any maintenance to his hair. This is something we can't really look past and does contribute heavily to the argument.
>John 18:5-""Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "I am he," Jesus said."
The Nazarite code would've expressly forbid him from personal hair maintenance as well as his notorious aversion from wine.
>>76023210
It's like I'm really in high-school bible study again, seeing such brilliant displays of intellect and apologetics. Wanna tell the rest of us about your dating troubles too?
>>76022600
reminder that modern Jews (Rabbinical Judaism) are referred to as Pharisees in the Bible as the separated from common Judaism and now call themselves Jews today despite their worship of Satan.
>>76023101
>a heretic hates the Church
>writes against it after the Church calls him out on it
Wow, such unbiased source, thank you anon
>>76023146
Show me an Oxford paper written by a secular, not edgy historian saying the Catholic Church killed 68 million people. That is scientific. History is an academic discipline, faggot
>>76022637
I mean a logical look at the face of it. You are being deliberately obtuse.
As for your rejection of Academics. I'm not surprised you want nothing to do with sound understandings of things.
>>76023084
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Bible
Luke 3
Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, 2 while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Holy Spirit
Luke 8:11 [ The Parable of the Sower Explained ] “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Gospel message
>>76023006
And on what basis were those people chosen?
>>76020984
>File: 1464285346692.gif (1.81 MB, 400x225)
'OT ma ricorderò per sempre lo sverginamento del mio amico federico detto Hugo (in omaggio all'attaccante del real, sanchez), con una negretta che avrà avuto appena 18anni , 2 pere da infarto, lei in piedi a pecora che si teneva aggrappata agli scalini per accedere alla cabina di guida del camion, lui dietro che spingeva come un dannato facendole ballare quel capolavoro di davanzale, io ed altri 2 che facevamo il tifo, urlavamo e lo incitavamo a "sventrarla", peccato che il tutto sia durato al massimo 1 minuto. Lei per la cronaca rideva ed a sua volta lo incitava a darci dentro, gliel'avevamo detto che era la prima volta del nostro amico e per questo gli aveva anche fatto lo sconto, se non ricordo male con 30 mila si chiuse "l'affare".
>>76023335
Reformation wasn't about theology. Nobodt gave a shit about Luther. The princes simply used him as an excuse to sack Churches of their gold so they could pay their jewish creditors.
>>76023339
>Everything ever written about people I said nobody knew about must be wrong because I am a good person.
>>76023542
You'd just say "prima facie". There's no "logic" to it.
There's also nothing necessarily sound about any given epistemological method. Go ahead and present one. Any one you like. Premise/conclusion form, as always.
>>76023327
"You'll understand when I question that."
Please provide your historical and doctrinal tie to the ancient Church at Ephesus.
>>76023520
It's impossible not to be biased against the most evil institution on earth.
>>76023542
He's a petulant child.
>>76023659
wtf?
>>76018819
>>76019521
>>76020508
>>76020824
>>76021137
>>76021505
>>76021770
>>76022061
>>76022128
>>76022447
>>76022541
>>76022776
>>76023101
what are you guys arguing about? there's way too much for me to read but I am intrigued.
>>76023611
word and Word, friend heretic.
>>76023780
That's me. That's my church, as the papists are the church at Laodecia.
>>76023737
>>A couple of rants written by clinically biased people nobody knew are wrong because they have no academic authority, no evidence, no educated analysis of events, and are based on pure ignorance, hatred and prejudice
*ftfy
>>76023860
The papist is denying that his church has murdered over 68,000,000 men, women and children over the past several decades.
Every citation he claims the author is biased, and therefore all of the information is false.
>>76023830
And you're an obstinate dogmatist who leads men to hell.
I think it would be more just for you to meet them there, but my God is merciful~
>>76023860
The fact that Catholics are pagan idol worshipers.
>>76023847
>wtf?
eh...l'entusiasmo era più che altro per il bellissimo ricordo di una gioventù che ormai è andata...comunque ti ringrazio per aver risposto.
>>76016275
Why would angels find beauty in earthly material such as jewels, and how much is 1/3 of Heaven?
>>76023904
It's an interesting distinction, and Jesus is positively identified as the Word of God in the bible, but the bible is also identified as the Word of God, as He inspired all of it.
Alte clamat Epicurus
Venter satur est securus
Venter deus meus erit
Talem deum gula querit
Cuius templum est coquina
In qua redolent divina
In qua redolent divina
Ave Maria from Flanders
>>76024020
>They all have their own wiki pages
>I couldn't find any of them
kek
>>76023860
basically protestants quote "literally who" people who were either protestant pastors or uneducated faggots with no degree but a hate boner for the Catholi Church, as proof that the Church killed 68 gorillion people.
I tell them to provide academic, authoritative sources and they are incapable to do so because they are full of shit
>>76024054
Excuse me, over the past several centuries. Although with them, who would know?
>>76024079
Your god is a figment of your imagination.
