I hate this fucking image so much
>Britain
>major influence in the EU
THE BOX!!! THE BOX!!!
>>75963685
I think it's a pretty good image given that Mr Burns is modelled after pic related.
Though possibly the creator did not intend that meaning.
>>75963752
Fpbp
>>75963685
This.
Then again, I strongly suspect we have more influence than we are lead to believe...
Remember when the EU was demanding something along the lines of 10 million pounds or some shit because our currency didn't fuck up?
About a week later muzzies were shooting up france and all of a sudden France wanted allies?
The last thing we ever heard of that demand for the money?
Still, we need to escape the socialist regime before the only 2 countries not under it's control are Russia and America (if trump is voted in).
To think they could be unlikely allies in a potential war against the far left...
>>75963752
The box every time.
>>75963976
We paid that demand.
>send a bunch of ukip meps to europe who deliberately don't want to work with the eu
>moan about lack of influence
ok kid
>>75964083
GODDAMIT WE'RE KEKS!
>>75964162
Oh so the EU is punishing us for doing that, as opposed to giving us a fair say.
#JustRemain''''Arguments''''
The answer is always the mystery box.
>>75963685
Your government is a nanny state that has taken away all of the possible methods of rebellion. You can't even watch TV without a license; let alone, heavens forbid, buy a kitchen knife!!!!
If they don't want to leave the EU no amount of voting is going to change that, they'll just edit the ballots.
It's fucking hilarious to see native britbongs get fucked over by a tyrannical state proving the exact point of the United States; but I also feel bad for you at the same time.
The box! Being a major player in a pile of shit isn't worth much.
>>75963685
the UK has 10% of the MEPs, and was the major driving force for the ascension of romania and bulgaria. Just recently we vetoed an attempt to put import taxes on chinese steel.
The UK has a hell of a lot of influence in the EU, particularly through the commission. We have no inflence on things we are not part of, such as the euro or shengen.
>>75964162
>Implying anyone else has any
Even when other parties won the euro election they too achieved fuck all other than collecting a salary and warming seats.
>>75964223
A big part of that being made into a big thing was Dave was going to use it to big up his renegotiation, so he can go in and look tough to the public by saying "stick it up your arse".
Doesn't work so well when you try and quietly just pay it anyway a year later after you think everyone's forgotten.
>>75964307
punishing us how exactly?
my argument is neutral with regards to remain or stay, it's a fairly simple idea that if you don't want to work with an organisation then you shouldn't expect to have influence in it
>>75963685
>major financier of the EU
ftfy
>>75964407
>The British
>Tyrannical
We just asked you to pay taxes which is nothing compared to the EU.
>>75964459
>it's a fairly simple idea that if you don't want to work with an organisation then you shouldn't expect to have influence in it
You should have just as much influence as everyone else when you are a democratically-elected part of that organisation, regardless of your stances.
>>75964613
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
>>75964613
Don't talk to Americans about Brexit. They don't understand the concept of the EU. If you point out that it would be akin to them being in a union with the rest of the American continent, with the US having as much say in affairs with, for example, Suriname, then it would confound them.
>>75964701
Which we offered.
>>75964634
they would have influence if they bothered to turn up to vote and actually negotiate with people, ukip meps don't want anything to do with this, they want out completely and view any eu action as bad
there are plenty of other countries in the eu with massive concerns over its power and how it works, if they bothered to actually work together to try and change things then people would have a right to complain about eu intransigence
but they don't, they just sit back moan about it and enjoy the gravy train
>>75964797
That is fucking retarded. The shitty eastern European countries should be glad they're even considered to be in the EU; and make no demands.
>>75964824
Bang bang you're dead; GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!
>>75964863
..before coming home and vocally asking us to leave the EU, and therefore them being out of said 'gravy train'.
The mere fact they can get nothing done in the current state is purely a pro-exit argument.
>>75963685
>big player
>do whatever Washington says
kek
>>75965040
>Doesn't even have enough influence for Washington to bother
>>75964978
yes how amazing that people who have some of the lowest attendances in eu meetings/voting manage to get fuck all done in the eu
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2626937/Ukip-MEPs-laziest-Europe-missing-debates-Cameron-warns-UK-needs-politicians-turn-up.html
>>75965156
They don't get paid if they don't turn up. You said it was a
>gravy train
but how is it a 'gravy train' if they're not getting paid?
>>75965156
There is no point in turning up at EuroParl. It's all one big facade
>>75965156
>Their reason to be there is to get us out of it
>This means convincing the British public
>Which is to be done from Britain, not Brussels.
>>75963685
Why is it so great to be "A big player"? Why is it something to strive for? As long as your people and country are doing well, why the fuck does the rest of the world matter? If you live in the UK, then the UK should be your priority, not the rest of the world.
>>75965156
Also, seeing as the parliament cannot actually propose or repeal any legislation, what influence are they going to have other than occasionally standing up and making a speech?
>>75964162
The meps have fuck all say anyway
>>75965313
uh their salary is not contingent on showing up, they dont get the extra allowance sure
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11725041
that was a minor quip at the end of the actual argument though, you know about not showing up and moaning about not being able to get stuff done in it
>>75965350
i'm not a fan of the eu, just not a fan of a poor argument against it
>>75965362
i would accept this over the past year or so, knowing about the referendum etc, but from 2009-2014, lol yeah they've been tirelessly campaigning up and down the country spreading the word - farage does this to his credit he is tireless
>>75965585
they can block legislation
http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/procedures/index_en.htm
>In the second reading, the Parliament and Council can again propose amendments. Parliament has the power to block the proposed legislation if it cannot agree with the Council.
>>75965737
Getting a base salary isn't, in any stretch of the imagination, a 'gravy train'. A gravy train would be handouts for little work, i.e. the 'extra allowance' they'd get merely for turning up.
>>75965546
It's Anglo-Saxon destiny.
>>75965737
>lol yeah they've been tirelessly campaigning up and down the country spreading the word - farage does this to his credit he is tireless
So in other words, yes they have. All those events and shit are not all just Farage doing it all on his own (though he does get the lion's share of the publicity).
>they can block legislation
The entire parliament can (and that's about all they can do), as in just us have no chance of defending our own interests over that of the EU.
>>75965870
6.5k+month base, 4k allowance + extra for when they do show + party funding http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30486154
still a side point from the main one though m8
>>75964863
5 euros have been credited to your account :)
>>75965986
ok, i still don't buy it and there's little evidence to really suggest this is the case, but let's say they are all incredibly hard workers, donating all their extra expenses to charity and campaigning day and night in the uk:
choosing to spend time campaigning in the uk instead of trying to work in the eu and then complaining you don't have much say in the eu is not a particularly well thought out argument
the point i have been making here is about influence, the uk can have plenty of influence if its meps and main leaders (cameron and his cabinet) want to, they won't have much influence on the eurozone issues which is fair since we aren't in that, we could have influence if we wanted to - the likes of blair and meps at that time did have influence (not commenting on the actual political decisions they made).
>>75966276
i'm not fan of the eu and probably won't be voting to remain, i'm tired of idiocy on both sides though
>Have an unelected house of lords appointed by an unelected dynastical head of state
>Have the crown own basically own a shit ton of the country including land, parks and swans
>B-but the EU is not democratic enough!
Always liked this argument
>>75966569
See the second half of my post. Let's say every single MEP we have all voted in unison on ever single bill that goes through the parliament in favour of British interests.
We have 73 MEPs of a total of about 750. This means that even if we were to expend the absolute maximum effort in pushing our interests, unless they happen to align with the EU's we have zero chance of blocking anything.
>>75966633
>Have an unelected house of lords appointed by an unelected dynastical head of state
That have no power outside of the majority government.
>Have the crown own basically own a shit ton of the country including land, parks and swans
Only in name and tradition, not in practice.
Fucking EU shills and their retarded guardian-tier arguments.
>>75966907
You're positioning this as us vs the EU. Instead of an organisation with 28 different countries with differing interests, who may well align with our own, there are various countries with similar distrust to us, even France and Germany have political parties gaining traction with anti eu rhetoric.
It is laughable to say the country with joint 3rd most meps and 2nd largest economy within the organisation does not have or could not have influence.
>>75966633
Lords are appointed by parliament
Do you have something against private property? Its the royal family's land, the government can't just take my property away why should they be allowed to take the queens?
>>75963752
Jokes on you. There are 10million Muslims inside the box xD
>>75963685
> mystety box contains tickets back to EU
That is decided. No matter how you vote, you will be in EU. They`ll just create another workaround around your vote. As usual in EU.
What you decide is to show your loyalty to people, who want you to serve them as slaves and die out eventually or to not show.
Please consider: these people wont like you or anything if you will be loyal to them. They are as moral, as Ramsay Bolton. After all - they created bolshevism, murdered tens of millions of Russians and openly betrayed 70 thousands Russian cossacks and their families, giving them out to their Comrade Stalin.
>>75966913
>But the house of lords has no real power anyway
So you have a house in your government filled with 820 unelected people, who have nothing to do and nothing to say but are paid by tax money just because the queen appointed them. So much better, you're right.
>>75967284
Of the 55 times since records began that we have voted "no" to something in the council of ministers, we have been overruled 55 times.
In the parliament, for all the things we have voted against, for all parties, our failure rate is 85%.
You rightly say that we're number 5 globally and number 2 in the EU, but apparently in the EU that means squat.
The higher up the governmental totempole one goes, the less influence is to be had for the citizen. A Citizen has the most influence on the county level, less on the regional, hardly anything on the national and virtually nothing on the supranational (the EU).
You can't call yourself a liberal if you're in favor of diminishing the power of the individual in such a way, but it's mostly liberals who love the EU, at least in my country.
Only (true) socialists and nationalists seem to despise the EU, but for different reasons.
>>75967310
>Lords are appointed by parliament
Hm
>Of the Lords Temporal, the majority are life peers who are appointed by the monarch on the advice of the Prime Minister, or on the advice of the House of Lords Appointments Commission. However, they also include some hereditary peers including four dukes.
This says otherwise
>>75966633
Fuck off, the monarchy is comfy. I'm sure nobody here is losing their heads over a handful of parks and swans. At least we still have a living piece of our heritage left, unlike you.
>>75963685
>>75963752
>>75967565
it's the Kaaba
>>75963976
this isnt a left right issue its globalism vs nationalism
>>75963685
>NATO
>G20
>Five Eyes
>One of the world's largeat economies
>One of the world's largest militaries
>Atlantic access
M8 don't let these fools get you down
