>he thinks God is real
>he doesn't realize that the second law of thermodynamics necessitates an entity ordering the universe in the first place
This is the problem with atheists. They never give a good reason not to hold any thelogically-bound philosophy or morality. It's always "well gods not real so".
Utterly weak argument.
>>75957807
this.
also, fuck atheists. materialism has been debunked as well, which pretty much implies a theist universe. get fucked, fedora cucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM
>not realising "I think therefore I am" can just as easily be used as a proof of God as a proof of self consciousness
>>75957859
>thelogically
Back to school with you.
>>75958025
Not an argument.
>>75957859
No it isn't. You need to provide proof for a belief. Atheism is a lack of belief. You're asking atheists to do your job basically.
>>75957807
Go read The God Delusion. He addresses this fallacy quite clearly.
>>75958302
Why don't you address it instead of trying to assign homework?
>>75957915
If science can prove that god doesn't exist, so be it.
Humans always seeks the truth.
>>75957656
>He has abandoned God
I will pray for your soul, Anon.
>>75958302
Are atheists without moral standard, then? Are they all psycopathic nihilist anarchists? Atheism is the disbelief in theology and theological teaching- and by extension, god- not "belief" in general, it's in the name for fucks sake. And yet seldom do I see an atheist attack the teachings themselves
>>75957656
>Dumb bitches trying to tempt my Faith.
Away with you, Satan!
>>75958468
Dawkins can clear it up better than I can.
>>75958649
It is up to the individual atheist to decide what their morality is. We are not a collective. The only thing we have in common is a disbelief of god claims. Some are very positive about life and assert that life has an objective morality (like Matt Dillahunty). I, as an atheist, disagree with him quite strongly.
I don't get what you're trying to say by not belief in general. We do reject the claims. The claims lead to belief. Theists do believe in God. We reject that. What do you want me to attack?
>Unironically discussing theology on a Japanese cartoon forum
>>75957656
god never existed it's just a bullshit fantasies story for grown ups to care something about there meaningless life.
>>75958907
>Dawkins can clear it up better than I can.
A 5 year old could outwit Dawkins. He contributes nothing to the conversation.
Find me an atheist faggot that prophecised, in fucking 1300, that people IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE 20th CENTURY would be degenerate.
I will be waiting
>>75957915
Yeah, the two slit experiment doesn't prove shit. Matter doesn't behave differently because of your mind, it is the influence of the measuring device which influences it. Your consciousness does not extend outside your body.
Is atheism even real?
Can an atheist even prove to me entirely empirically that atheism has physical, material existence?
I'll wait. Until then I'll have to refuse to believe that atheism exists.
>>75959243
>it is the influence of the measuring device which influences it.
Except the measuring device changes the measurement based on your predictions. Basically even if you don't observe the particles/waves, they behave exactly like you expect them to based on your expcectations about the way the experiment is set up.
So no, you are wrong
>>75959261
I do not think or believe that some ultra natural entity is going to intervene in my life.
>>75958302
>Go read my holy book written by the Prophet Dawkins
>>75957656
>god
created the universe
>athiest neets
created computers to watch gay porn
top kek devil worshiping cucklords
>>75959261
they are under the delusion that their way of thinking is "the standard", and that believing in God is a deviation from that standard. So they will tell you "disbelief" is a passive role and not an active one. Pure delusion.
>>75957656
>he accidentaly switched tabs from reddit to /pol/
>>75959350
amen brother. i'll save you a nice seat in hell, you protestant homosexual
>>75958998
Yeah he does. Look, it is easy to just attack the man. What you should be attacking is his argument. But you don't. Tells me a lot about you and also the quality of his argument.
If you are a theist then theoretically your job is extremely easy. Present evidence of your claim and if successful you will convert every skeptical thinker on the planet.
>>75957656
*tips menorah*
>>75959071
It's funny isnt it
"If god is real show me a miracle"
*links to a host of proven and approved miracles and marian apparations like Aikra*
"That's fake"
*link to stories about women lifting cars to save children*
"muh natural inhibitors"
*link to countless stories of people beeing healed*
"g-g-god doesnt real, doctors must have been wrong"
If it wasnt scriptural it would bring me to despair
Mathew 25:29
For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.
>>75957807
>be religious
>find that science requires an unknown quantity to make sense
>hurriedly fill in god, contratulate self for proving his existence
>god looks down on in disgust and revulsion at the weakness of your faith
trying to prove that god exists just proves you don't believe
>>75959333
Even if that matters. Why don't you use your mind to turn water into wine or sand into food then? At this point in your reasoning, experimentation is pointless.
>>75957807
believing the entropic jew
>>75957807
>he doesn't realize that to believe his shitty religion, he has to trust that Jews were telling the truth in their holy book
>>75957859
>>75958302
>Atheism is a lack of belief
What do you think is so inherently justifiable about a lack of belief?
Do you go around proudly proclaiming your lack of morality, your lack of decency, your lack of kindness, your lack of regard for your community, and your lack of love for anything aside from yourself?
Oh wait silly me - of course you do.
You're an "atheist" after all.
>>75959421
It is the default until someone gives you a personal, conscious, intervening, cosmological explanation.
>>75959261
>prove to me entirely empirically that atheism has physical, material existence
This is a dumb fucking thing to say? You're trying to sound intelligent but it's failing.
>>75959350
Try harder.
>>75959421
It is the "passive role". It's the neutral position. Muslims, Catholics, Sikhs are the ones choosing to believe something. Everyone is an atheist to some degree; the difference being atheists apply the same reasoning to everyone. Christians will quickly become atheists regarding Allah or Ganesh or whatever other god.
>>75957915
>kike-loving Christcuck
>calling anyone a cuck
>>75959337
So I'm just supposed to take your word for it, then?
I'm just supposed to take it on faith?
I've never seen atheism. I've never touched atheism. There's no video evidence of it. You can't weigh or measure it. It's just a bunch of contradictory, muddled, rambling, frankly outlandish self-reports of it from a few people, some of whom are in mental institutions.
Also, last time I checked, the only things that exist are material objects. Do you really expect me to believe that something like atheism, an idea, exists? Bullshit.
>>75957807
LOOOOOOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_%28psychology%29
Your enemies believe.
>>75959631
> assuming one can't be moral without religion
REMINDER:
Christianity is Cuck™: the religion
>>75959691
every thread
"are you serious!? YOU'RE A THEIST WHITE MALE!"
>>75959555
>He thinks the only way for god to exist is for it to be the Christian god.
You're an idiot, I didn't say anything about following Jew bullshit.
ITT: Christcucks trying to rationalize why they aren't any crazier than mudslimes
There is no God, no soul, no afterlife.
All we have is here and now. The sooner you realize that the better.
>>75959631
>Jew wannabe
>saying anyone lacks morals
kek
>>75959753
Remove Pope Francis. Bring back Urban II
>>75959527
did you have a seizure or something? Speak like you eat
>>75959539
I am not implying we use our conscience to create reality. All the contrary. The experiment proves that reality is impossible for us to fundamentally understand. What you are witnessing is reality making itself impossible to be understood and measured, because our reason becomes a subject, and not an arbiter
>>75959649
>neutral position
thanks, I know very well how deluded you are about that. There is no such thing as a neutral position. Nobody is born a Christian just like nobody is born an atheist.
People who are 100% theists are indoctrinated from a young age, up to a point where anyone who attacks these indoctrinated beliefs trigger some form of defense mechanism, e.a. this thread.
It's just sad, really. You can argue for/against God (i'm obviously atheist) but every argument from theists is just ad homs and other fallacies.
>>75959631
>go around proudly proclaiming your lack of morality
No because I do not preach about atheism unless someone actively tries to attack it or push their religion which is what is happening now.
> your lack of kindness, your lack of regard for your community, and your lack of love for anything aside from yourself
This is a strawman argument. Do you know there are literally millions upon millions of atheists in the world. They make up the majority in some countries (e.g. Japan, Estonia). Do you think the majority of people there cannot feel these things? Because I don't believe some god exists I cannot feel kindness, a sense of community or love for others?
You are no better than some fucking zealot who dehumanizes others in order to foster hate towards that group.
>>75959689
Welcome to metaphysics. God doesn't intervene in the world, that should be obvious.
>>75959631
Believers are 'good' for a reward.
Non believers are 'good' because it's right to help create the world you want to live in.
>ITT: North Americans that can not have any self worth and basic human dignity without old Jewish tales to instill them with it..
Hilarious.
>>75959756
Please provide a cohesive evidence for any of your claims, then we can talk.
Protip: you can't.
And do you want to know why? Because all religions are just a pile of lies.
>>75959527
Some of the Pharisees rejected Jesus even after witnessing miracles firsthand. A third of the angels rejected God even knowing Him. Most people will reject God on judgement day. Atheists just have s head start on their denial. Thank God that in His mercy He hasn't revealed Himself to them yet.
>>75959804
that would be the cuck blood running through their holy veins preventing them from physical combat
ironically their god is the war god
>>75957656
next to noone here thinks god is real or is really christian
it's LARP, a rebellious reaction to their peers being non-religious and the rest of the internet
Never forget
>>75959871
>ur all dumb
>i am smart and enlightened
>let me accuse you of fallacy even though my whole post was one big fucking fallacy
>>75959530
I don't have "faith". I reached a logical conclusion based on available evidence. That evidence being that matter and energy tend toward a disordered state which means something which operates outside the observed rules of our universe must have acted to put our universe into a state of order in the first place. That entity would by definition be god.
>>75959770
don't play dumb, anon. we know it always comes back to the heeb war god that Christcucks beive in
>>75959631
Im sorry but I can't physically make myself believe that there is a god. I support christian values, but its not up to me wether or not I believe in god. I'd like to be able to, but it isnt possible for me to make myself believe.
>>75959952
never 5get
>Pope says gay marriage is from satan
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
>Pope Francis speaks against Gay adoption
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/
>Compares trans rights to nuclear arms race
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html
>Pope Francis says that there's no salvation outside the Church
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/
>He excommunicates an Australian priest supporting gay marriage and women clergy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
>Pope Francis is against gender theory and for traditional gender roles
http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution
>Pope is against abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/
>He Encourages the use of force against ISIS
http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
>Pope Francis is against lukewarm "faith"
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/
>The Pope is misquoted often
http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
>The Pope Rebukes Communist Cross
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html
>>75959631
>What do you think is so inherently justifiable about a lack of belief?
>Nobody teaches you to believe -> You don't believe -> Lack of belief
How is it not justifiable?
>Do you go around proudly proclaiming your lack of morality,
Is there no morality without (abrahamic) religion?
>your lack of decency, your lack of kindness, your lack of regard for your community, and your lack of love for anything aside from yourself?
What are you implying? That you need Christ for any of those things?
>>75957859
sjew "atheists" hate christianity because it's a religion of healthy white men and women who care about each other
it's the same reason they cuck out completely to disgusting muslim pedo worshippers
>>75959855
>nobody is born an atheist
Idiotic. Religion is taught. If one religion is true (e.g. Christianity) then how come a child born in Pakistan becomes Muslim, a child born in Thailand becomes Buddhist, a child born in Texas becomes Christian? Religion is taught. Theism is taught.
Show me millions of children that from the age of when they can speak and think start professing belief in the same god without influence of their parents then maybe I will have some respect for what you say.
>I believe religion is right and really is the word of god
>in every day life, jews manipulate people their entire lives through lies
>not with religion though, nope, that is completely different
>>75957919
Exactly.
Once you realize the implications of it, and the fundamental difference between mind and matter you stop both being a degenerate fedora or a gullible christcuck
>>75959855
So that somehow proves resurrection, the validity of prayer, and a conscious creator deity?
>>75959914
>muh enlightenment
We know only 0.02% of everything. So to simply assume that God doesn't exist is retarded.
/pol/ cucktians live in a dreamworld where christianity is strong and moral and a backbone of society, all the while all organized christians and their political parties are pushing for immigration, islamization and destruction of the West.
>>75960002
He licked niggers feet, nothing you post can salvage it.
>>75960033
You're born a Christian. You're taught something else.
>>75960033
>Religion is taught.
Atheist is taught too. What the fuck is "God delusion" otherwise?
>hurr durr le cultural differences
Don't you get it? When you are born you are not an atheist. That is one big lie. You become either religious or an atheirst when you grow up, out of your conscience. Sure, religious families will teach you their religion, but that does not mean you were an atheist before they did so. Basically, the burden of proof is on you to show me you were atheist at 2 years old. Otherwise shut up
>>75960053
Could be, but saying that my specific skyfairy is the only way and 100% true is pants-on-head retarded.
>>75960002
he's less of a disgusting pathetic cuck than i thought
he's still pozzed and i want benedict back
>>75960044
IAWIAM
YAWYA
WAWWA
>>75960054
Nigga did you really quote Wikipedia like 8 times and ONLY Wikipedia?
>>75960045
don't move goalposts. Start by admitting that science will never be able to go over that wall. Admit that science CANNOT find out truth. Then we'll speak again
>>75960002
Now if he only didnt produce trash like Amoris Laetitia which has open holes larger than barn-doors in places where he should be defending plain scriptural facts that have been the matisteriums teachings for over a millenia I wouldnt even be upset about him.
Sadly all the confusion he allways causes without correcting makes him a really troubblesome person.
>>75959649
The materialist worldview is self-refuting. Atheism itself cannot exist when the existence of isms is ruled out to start with. You can't even prove that atheism, your god, exists by any standard which you demand the existence of any other god be proven by.
>>75960033
First cavemen were theists, any savage tribe believes in some kind of supernatural shit.
We can argue that belief in God is some kind of "bug" in our programming but what you said is just fedoraspeak
>>75958468
Switzerland invented homework.
>>75960168
I was born atheist.
>>75960054
Finland YES
I am now a #SunniServicer
>>75960171
So you're telling me that it's stupid people have different interpretations of God? Because in reality that just strengthen the argument that something with a higher power dose exsist
>>75960231
The fuck is that shit
>>75960275
atheism is not a god
>>75960168
atheist and religious are not mutually exclusive
humans are a very metaphisically aware species, but that doesn't mean they aren't born atheist
>>75960168
I was not taught to be athiest. I was taught to be christian (kind of). My grandparents gave me bible stories and I read them assuming they were just stories. Nobody told me god wasnt real, I just didnt believe their was a god.
if god is real why would he create girls with dicks and then proceed to ban fucking them
>>75960219
>i want benedict back
He is still alive
>>75960270
he is just doing PR. It is wrong of course, but hey, we knew this would happen. Look up Katharina Emmerick - two popes
>>75960331
proofs? Can I have a written testament of your atheism and signature right after you were born? No? NO EVIDENCE NO PROOF I DON'T BELIEVE IT
>>75960257
not an argument brah
>>75957656
*tips fedora*
hey dont go bashing my fellow theists the west is doing great
God bless am,erica understanding and tolerant thank you for letting my spic muslim cross breed in being very helpful with a black progressive president soon tobe a woman president Allah bless
see you at ramzan, sundown.
>>75960168
>Atheist is taught too.
You don't need to teach non-belief unless someone has been taught to believe first..
>What the fuck is "God delusion" otherwise?
A book by a European that, like many western Europeans, doesn't believe in god, trying to explain to North Americans why believing in god is an odd thing to do...
>Don't you get it? When you are born you are not an atheist. That is one big lie. You become either religious or an atheirst when you grow up
So what are you born as then, if it´s not religious or non-religious?
>Sure, religious families will teach you their religion, but that does not mean you were an atheist before they did so. Basically, the burden of proof is on you to show me you were atheist at 2 years old. Otherwise shut up
At 2 years old I didn´t have a concept or religion, because my parents didn´t teach me... At 6 I said my prayers at school because that´s just what you did at school, and by the time I was 10 I stopped doing so because the teacher said that praying should be a choice. And because to me praying was just saying another rhyme (rhymes are common in kindergarten and low elementary school classes.. There was a rhyme for lunch, a rhyme for jumping up and down and getting the sand out of your clothes and shoes after play time, and countless rhymes for holidays... The morning prayer was just another rhyme in my mind), I stopped promptly..
It wasn't until yeaaars later that I even fully understood the Lords Prayer, and how much of a mean spirited rhyme it actually is, especially if you consider it's rammed home to 5 year olds as if it's a vital thing... As vital as the lunch-rhyme!
Kids are born neutral, and non-religious. Religion has to be taught... If you consider non-religious to be atheist, then kids are born atheist.
>>75959871
I converted from atheism in adulthood. My mother was an atheist and my father was agnostic. I was raised without any kind of religious influence from family. Lecture is more about ad homs tho.
>>75960399
Replace the first line with exodus 3:14
Replace the second line with "you"
The third line is "we"
It's the true God, brother, alive, kicking and talking to you right now.
>>75960219
I wonder if Francis has seen this photo and the look of sheer contempt on the face of the muslim nigger whose toes he sucked
I wonder if he ever noticed that jesus washed the feet of HIS FOLLOWERS to show that no CHRISTIAN was better than another CHRISTIAN, he didn't go randomly toe-sucking niggers to announce to mudslimeland that the raping's good
>>75959958
Projection at its finest. It's not based on my opinion or how I look at it, the vast majority of religious fundamentalists are brought up that way from childhood, so much that they can't refute arguments rationally anymore and will do anything to defend their point of view.
I will listen to the arguments for/against God and make up my own opinion. I am not enlightened or w/e dumb fallacy you come up with, I'm just doing that most theists won't do: be rational.
REMINDER:
You can't get more cucked then "love thy enemy".
It is a one order of magnitude above "if you kill your enemies they win".
Christcucks will defend it.
>>75959890
Deism is worse than atheism.
>>75960430
>He is still alive
I know.
I want him back
I've had enough of Pope Niggerlover I
>>75960171
>serotonine causes happiness
>serotonine is a molecule inducing specific neuron firing sequences, that is, electric impulses
>electric impulses are happiness
>who is happy?
>what's the relationship between happiness and electrical impulses?
>or maybe it's the electricity that is happy?
There is a gap between physical reality and qualitative sensation. While they are related, materialistic approaches do not explain how and why. They just explain what happens on one side of the bridge.
The only way to keep some logical consistency is to postulate that consciousness is something qualitatively different from matter, arising whenever you have a sufficiently advanced information network.
As a property, it must be rooted in something else, maybe it's an underlying property of our physical universe,obeying laws we yet don't understand.
The "skyfairy" thing you fedoras talk about is just a metaphore to teach this concept to a few double digit IQ goatfuckers, with the added thing of a moral code of conduct, without which they become either murderous savages (communism) or masochistic degenerates like it's happening in Sweden
>>75957656
of course god is real
only it dont give a monkey's ass if humans believe in him or not, you'll still dance to the tune he plays you....cuz you're just a slave like the rest of us. :3
>>75960262
You are claiming some kind of metaphysical bond between matter and mind. So what about an AI? Would an inorganic brain based consciousness have the same effect?
>>75960374
> Hindus and Christians can be both right at the same time
Are you dense?
>>75957656
Most likely not but you cant know for sure.
>my one religion out of the thousands in the world is the right one because... well... it was my parents so it must be real!
>>75960219
>>75960515
Also reminder that Jesus washed his disciples feet, never kissed them
Kissing feet is what the sinful woman in luke 7-38 did to make up for her sin
The nigger muslim is literally the Christ of the modern church, to whom the penitent bitch that is the pope bows and begs forgiveness
>>75960033
Actually, when babies are born they are all Muslim. Haven't you read the Koran?
oh and thank you for making my spic muzze black cross breed gay cousin legal i hope pedophilia becomes legal sooon so i can plunge my foreign dick into cute 9 yr old white girl
allahu akbar ;)
>>75960168
Atheism is not taught. What child professes belief in any specific god unless influenced by parents and then their society? No child is.
Okay, fine your proof is that I was always atheist. Up until 13 or so I never even thought of a god let alone a specific one. Then I was put in an English grammar school because it was a good school and then through peer pressure I said I believed in God and even wore a little gold cross. Now, 10+ years later, I do not believe. It was never a sincere belief. I was born not believing in any god. That is what an atheist is.
>>75960275
>You can't even prove that atheism, your god, exists by any standard
Hey moron, fucking moron! Atheism isn't my god. Reformat your statement and I will consider talking to you like an intelligent being.
>>75960317
We are no longer cavemen. How can you expect a low-IQ being with literally zero scientific knowledge to not form some crude supernatural explanation for fire and stars and different animals. I mean look at caveman paintings... human bodies with animal heads. It's obviously ridiculous.
>>75959261
>>75960559
It is your mental interpretation of it.
If the serotonin was not there you would never be happy.
There are no gaps your god can hide anymore.
Also, did you noticed that if your brain gets damaged, your personality changes?
What does it say about your soul?
>>75957656
>Be OP
>exiting church parking lot
>see cute new muslim guy walking down the street
>immediately turn gay for him
>feel bad I'm sinning
>reject god
>decide to make a thread on a Mongolian cartoon board so other gays will back me up and I wont feel so bad anymore
>>75957656
>He doesn t pray KEK
>>75960496
The plural God thing in the old testament is related to the fact that JHWH was originarly a term to indicate the sumero-accadian pantheon from which the idea of an omnipotent semitic god is taken.
The singular deities had powers over specific fields (elements, scripture, wisdom and so on), while a pantheon would have command over all of these fields thus becoming technically omnipotent. Which is the reason why many parts of the Old Testament and of the sumerian religious texts overlap
>>75960405
Atheism is a god. A false god. An idol. It's true name is Satan.
>>75960664
maybe god manifests in different ways for different cultures
>>75960530
How so? If someone told you an angel talked to them, you would think they were crazy. Are you saying god only intervenes in reality "sometimes"? Like no truly faithful people have been crushed to death in the rubble of an earthquake?
>>75960430
>he is just doing PR. It is wrong of course, but hey, we knew this would happen. Look up Katharina Emmerick - two popes
Yeah, there's our lady of Garabandal as well.
Am i only one who thinks there is god, but hes just not like any religion says, and hes more complex then human can ever imagine?
>>75960559
>While they are related, materialistic approaches do not explain how and why. They
Sure they do. Some neurons fire, and you're happy.
You just want to "prove" some metaphysical bullshit because you're pozzed by atheistic materialism.
If you believe, then believe.
>>75960559
"muh open to interpretation"
How good is a holy word of god if it is open to interpretation by plebs like you?
Did you noticed that there was no global flood, right?
Also, at no point in bible are mentioned Kangaroos.
Bible also claims that insects have 4 legs...
All christians are cucked.
>>75960559
>There is a gap between physical reality and qualitative sensation.
>The only way to keep some logical consistency is to postulate that consciousness is something qualitatively different from matter, arising whenever you have a sufficiently advanced information network.
But that's just not how it works, though you are correct about the sufficiently advanced information network part.
What consciousness is is a pattern. It's the pattern of the synapses in your brain, the arrangement of you neurones and the connections they have with each other.
Once you die this pattern is destroyed in seconds due to lack of oxygen, energy level changes, proteins denaturing.
Now you can say a pattern is not material. It's not metaphysical or supernatural either. Material things exhibit patterns, that's just what they do.
>>75960405
>humans are a very metaphisically aware species, but that doesn't mean they aren't born atheist
Sorry, are you trying to prove something by saying that we can't prove its opposite? Prove to me that you were an atheist when you were born, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise shut up.
>>75960421
So you started being an atheist AFTER you were told about Christianity. You were not an atheist before coming into contact with Christianity, at the very least you cannot prove you were
>>75960475
>You don't need to teach non-belief unless someone has been taught to believe first..
playing semantics. Prove me you were an atheist when you were born, otherwise I dismiss your claims using the scientifical method.
>So what are you born as then, if it´s not religious or non-religious?
We pose ourselves that question when we become conscious. Some decide for religion, others for atheism. Most atheists become such after rebelling to the passed knowledge and experience of their ancestors who pondered the question and realised God exists. They reject that out of pride. But that's going off-topic
>Kids are born neutral, and non-religious
So you are admitting you were not born atheist. Good. When you came into conscience about the possibility of a God, you simply refuted the educated answer that was given to you. Without it, you would have come to a conclusion for yourself. Probably you would have come up with animism or something (assuming society didn't exist). Or maybe atheist, sure, but usually those with no prior answer to this question in history were 100% theists
>>75960517
>everybody is that way because of environment
>I am a deus ex machina with the power of 2000 brains instead, I am unique and superior
>le p-p-projection
>>75960596
it's not metaphysical, faggot. It was empirically observed. That is the point of the experiment.
>Would an inorganic brain based consciousness have the same effect?
Build one first, then we'll talk. Totally useless speculation
>>75960840
You're never the only one.
>>75957859
>. They never give a good reason not to hold any thelogically-bound philosophy or morality.
You never give a good reason to believe that God is real. You have no proof whatsoever.
>>75958649
Literally not an argument. Just because belief in God may provide a moral standard, that is not proof of his existence.
>>75959471
Same thing here. The "rewards" of believing in something or not has nothing to do with its truth value.
Look, I myself, am not an atheist. I think it's likely that there is some kind of creator, perhaps the fact we may live in a simulated reality. I think it's even likely that the creator would not be all-knowing. But I've come to realize that most arguments for the existence of God are just ridiculous.
You never provide any kind of logical or proof, you always just bring up stuff about morals or rewards, and how believing in God would be the more moral or fulfilling option. Which has nothing to do with its truth value.
>>75960712
Look at how you react when I blaspheme Atheism, your idol. You're as emotional as Screaming Muslim Man! Lol Of course atheism is a god to you. It's more than even a religion to you. It's your god. Now prove to me it exists.
>>75960931
>believing jesus was a mudslime
merchant tales lol
>>75960712
>Atheism is not taught.
It is though. Do you really think your atheist is not influenced by the fact that people around you are religious? A rejection of a belief is an choice as much as conforming to it. You pretend to be outside your environment but you are not
>Up until 13 or so I never even thought of a god let alone a specific one
that is literally impossible. You cannot tell me until 13 you had never heard the word "God" before. If you knew the word, you knew the cultural implications of it and therefore you had already thought about it. You simply don't remember it
Matthew 5:39-40
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;
DO NOT RESIST good goy.
>>75960941
:) nice arugments coming from an 80 iq pastaboy.
Maybe it's resentment because you'll never be white? Poor you.
>>75957656
>He cares about other people's beliefs
Stop being an edgy cunt and let people believe in whatever they want. If they find peace in a religion, let them ffs.
Last time I checked, there was no definitive proof that god is or is not real.
Also, >OP is an atheist cuck
>>75960931
>A NIGGER IN THE NORSE PANTHEON MAKES SENSE
>JESUS CAN'T POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN WHITE
just those li'l merchant things
>>75959243
>it is the influence of the measuring device which influences it
Incorrect. It is the act of observation that changes it, not some radiation or any other factor caused by a camera
>>75960948
Yea, but i needed to start sentence somehow
>>75960941
Okay, so empericism fails at the point of subatomic particle observation. The irony is that empiricism causes you to arrive at that conclusion.
>>75960728
>Also, did you noticed that if your brain gets damaged, your personality changes?
Of course. But why would a personality arise in the first place?
I am not denying the role of matter, but what is the principle according to which a few millions of carbon molecules would assemble themselves and start shitposting?
Mind you, i fully accept the evolutionary principle, but there is still something missing
>>75960843
>>75960933
You are just circumventing my point. If you want rigor, you must explain the principle according to which atoms arranged in a certain way create a consciousness. You must then define and quantify the traits of these consciousness. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
It just doesn't make sense if you see the whole things from a purely materialistic point. According to which consciousness wouldn't exist
>>75961085
wow, really makes you think, I am #dawkingsmissile now
>>75961097
Everyone seems to care about other peoples' beliefs, evidenced by this thread.
>>75960424
I would also like to know the answer to this, christcucks.
>>75960834
If someone told me an angel talked to them I'd ask them what it said first of all.
So you think the only options are:
God constantly intervenes in the world
God never intervenes in the world
You should know that God is the Creator and the Sustainer. The First Mover is always moving.
>The mighty Catholicism, uniting people in faith and love for their nation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hakb6S0IpgY
>The degenerated atheism promoting filth, leftism and cuckness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd72Gkfd4k
Choose wisely anon which side you want to take and remember- the Jews have fighted and mocked the traditional christianity for many years now- you think they would do this without a reason?
>>75957656
Wow! Really makes you think
>>75961097
You sound like you came straight out of youtube.
Lurk before posting.
>>75960941
I was atheist when I was born. I never believed in any god and I met the concept of religion at around the age of 5... and remained atheist. All children, when not indoctrinate, are atheist.
Now please provide evidence that god is really. And not only that, provide evidence that yours religion gods and oly that one is really or stfu and gtfo. Cuck.
You are full of shit,
QED
>>75960941
>Prove to me that you were an atheist when you were born
>otherwise shut up
he-he
Babies don't believe in gods.
Let me explain what I meant with this. Humans as a species have this thing where they bury the dead, think about the past, honor previous humans, some pray so on so forth. This is what I meant with metaphysically aware. Neanderthals did those things too.
That said the 'god concept' arised as a political tool, it wasn't ingrained
>>75961022
>>75961105
Do juden shill this so hard because they hate the idea that the god who abandoned them for white men would prefer to create a savior in the image of his true chosen people?
>>75960941
It is interesting how religious fags swing around burden of proof... without actually providing any proof of their wild claims.
>>75959631
>>75960596
Trust me, your "inorganic brain based consciousness" is less likely than you think, it's not even covered in sci-fi and the one sci-fi it is tells a story of humans literally at the end of time.
>mfw non computer engineers think such things are possible
>mfw talking to them about this shit
Inb4 Hank the transhumanist atheist who thinks his meagre scripting knowledge and decent philosophy/psychology counts
Fracking stay out of theology.
>>75961197
How do you know that? Why do you call it God? And when was the last verified instance of it intervening in reality?
>>75957656
God is the measure of reality. Literally nothing has reality without God.
You're only real because God thinks you're worth something.
>>75961049
Let's ask the Marshall of Finland shall we?
this is now a cheese pizza thread
cheese pizza everyone
>>75961133
The principle is called evolution ffs...
What is missing?
If you want rigor, please provide conclusive proof that there is, in fact, god or soul.
>>75961197
If angel talks to you the you are psycho... just sayin'.
>>75960941
>playing semantics. Prove me you were an atheist when you were born, otherwise I dismiss your claims using the scientifical method.
How can I prove my state of mind literally a quarter of a century ago, in a time I was barely aware of my own existence? I've never believed in god is all I can say..
>We pose ourselves that question when we become conscious. Some decide for religion, others for atheism.
People cannot just wonder?
>Most atheists become such after rebelling to the passed knowledge and experience of their ancestors who pondered the question and realised God exists.
Most 'atheists' that actually call themselves that were taught something from birth that they later deemed to be highly unlikely.. That indeed causes them to rebel, but mostly against the insanity they've been fed from birth.
>So you are admitting you were not born atheist. Good.
Depends on your definition of atheist. I was born a non believer.. I don´t refer to myself as ´atheist´ when people ask me about my beliefs (which is essentially never beyond Tibetan patern-knitting boards). I'm just not religious, and have never been.
>When you came into conscience about the possibility of a God, you simply refuted the educated answer that was given to you.
I went to a catholic school, where god was considered a given... But I never believed in him, because I was too old for that sort of thing to take hold when I entered school.
> Without it, you would have come to a conclusion for yourself. Probably you would have come up with animism or something (assuming society didn't exist). Or maybe atheist, sure, but usually those with no prior answer to this question in history were 100% theists
Most people just don't know the 'big answers'... Religious people don't either. That's why it's called 'faith' and not 'knowing'.
Anyway, you're quite clearly arguing from a position where Catholicism is actually a relevant factor in life... Which it really isn't in my opinion.
>>75961133
>It just doesn't make sense if you see the whole things from a purely materialistic point. According to which consciousness wouldn't exist
It doesn't make sense to you, because you don't want to accept reality.
>You must do x, you must do y
>You must argue your point based on an arbitrary framework I made.
I remember this meme pic. Do you?
The atoms are arranged in big-ass proteins that are arranged in synapses that make your memories and who you are. When you mess with the synapses your personality changes.
As another anon pointed out, when the brain is damaged the person changes. If your frontal cortex is damaged you become a totally different person.
>>75961163
I guess its just basic human behavior too try make everyone around him to be like him
These threads never get anywhere. Whether there is a god or not, when was the last time you saw a christian living in his mom's basement wearing a fedora and posting shota an a website for cambodian cartoons? Why is it only athiests in these situations?
>>75961206
I may sound like that, but the amount of idiotic threads on /pol/ about how other people's beliefs make them a cuck is way too high, considering that we all fap to anime on this site anyway
>>75960989
You are hopeless.
>>75961047
I am obviously not outside my environment. In my upbringing I went to a Jewish school then I went to an Anglican English grammar school. I am apart of my environment yet I am an atheist.
>>75961047
>cannot tell me until 13 you had never heard the word "God" before
Obviously given my upbringing I heard the word over and over again. I thought about it but I never considered it more than just another character in a book. In school we were taught about Egypt and Rome in history classes. In the Jewish school we even had stupid classes where we colouring in pictures of Moses and shit while the teacher told us the stories. To me it was literally the same. Maybe I didn't express myself clearly but I have always been atheist DESPITE active attempts by teachers to instill religiosity. My parents didn't give a shit about religion nor did they dissuade it (I was sent to these religious schools because they were the best in the area). Nobody taught me to be atheist.
>>75961370
Not an argument, cuck.
Why are you not following Jesus commands and resisting? Not very good-goyish of you.
>>75961350
If god has concisnes
>>75957656
When are all of you go back to rddit?
>>75961350
>implying reality isn't a nightmare being dreamed by the dark monster Azathoth and it ends when he wakes up
You have to be retarded to not to believe in God.
This is what christfags actually believe in.
>>75961253
Well that's thebstart. TWO SLIT EXPERIMENT! YOU CAN'T PROVE THE BIG BANG! And then that somehow proves special creation, miracles, specific Christian or catholic doctrine, and the effectiveness of prayer.
>>75958302
Atheism is *not* a lack of belief. It precisely is the belief in the nonexistence of a deity. Agnosticism is an actual lack of belief.
>>75961528
Why don't you provide proof?
>>75961550
Fuck off Mehmed, no one likes Allah.
>yfw you realized God exists and the Earth is a plane
>>75961345
Ancient wisdom. Aquinas lays it out.
God is active in every aspect of reality at this moment. Reality wouldn't exist without Him.
Miracles happen every day. Verified ones tend to be the ones that stick out as particularly auspicious.
>>75961528
Shut up, spic. Your 2D waifu can't help you.
Why do christfags like kissing nigger feet so much? That's what happens when you join a kike cult I guess.
>>75961382
>>75961458
>my brain is made of molecules
>this peculiar arrangement is because of millions of years of evolutions
>the arrangement starts thinking, acting and referring to itself as "me" despite being just a bunch of carbon molecules
>the arrangement creates mental imageries and has sensations that are radically different to the physical phenomena that generated them
>and somehow this arrangement "feels" and "thinks" instead of just being an unconscious amoeba doing everything on autopilot
>>75961501
I need some tickets to Club Swagga first
>>75961337
Tons of sci-fi deals with inorganic consciousness. Nice try though.
>>75961382
Depends on the angel.
>>75961675
>t. Jamal Ramirez Al-Detroiti
>>75959498
I ducking love you Switzerland
>>75961600
Sorry Ahmed but that is factually untrue. Go look up a dictionary.
As for the rest of you I am leaving now. The sun is shining and I have the day off. Fighting with idiots on an imageboard is akin to pissing life away. Adios.
>>75961570
Yeah, I once pushed some christfags so far that they denied all reality and sensual imputs just so they could say that "you can't trust that anything is real, so the god must be real" and I was like "you what m8"?
>>75961208
>I was atheist when I was born
proof?
> I met the concept of religion at around the age of 5... and remained atheist
So you were not born atheist. You chose to be one in opposition to religion as a cultural input from your environment. Thanks for confirming my points.
>provide evidence that yours religion gods and oly that one is really or stfu and gtfo
Why should I? It is in your interest to save your soul. If you have internet, are literate, know Christianity exists and still use your time tipping instead of researching, your loss. I am not here to spoon-feed your edgy ass
>>75961212
>Babies don't believe in gods.
proofs?
>That said the 'god concept' arised as a political tool, it wasn't ingrained
Proofs?
>>75961253
>without actually providing any proof of their wild claims.
I didn't make any claim, really. You did. So support your claims or shut up. You were not born an atheist.
Cannot disprove it? Too bad. Burden of proof is a bitch, deal with it
>>75961425
>I've never believed in god is all I can say..
That is not evidence, sorry.
>how can I prove
not my problem. If you cannot prove it, don't claim it to be true
>People cannot just wonder?
Sure, but at the end of the wondering a choice is made, no matter how long the wondering is
>but mostly against the insanity they've been fed from birth.
That is their personal opinion though. Sjw's see cis gender as an insanity they have been fed since birth. That does not mean they are right.
>I was born a non believer..
You weren't. Prove it or stop saying it.
>>75961491
>I am obviously not outside my environment
lmao, how is the 11th dimension?
>bla bla bla
again, anecdotal evidence. I have told you why you were not born an atheist, prove me objectively the opposite or shut up
>Nobody taught me to be atheist.
Nigga you were colouring picutres of Moses. You reject theism. The knowledge of theism is what allowed you to become atheist. You were basically taught to be atheist. it is simple ffs
>>75959498
faggot australian BTFO
>>75961639
So what is the difference between the universe simply being, and a god controlling it?
>>75961491
I'm hopeful.
>>75959071
This is Nostradamus tier.
>>75961682
>>my brain is made of molecules
>>this peculiar arrangement is because of millions of years of evolutions
>>the arrangement starts thinking, acting and referring to itself as "me" despite being just a bunch of carbon molecules
>>the arrangement creates mental imageries and has sensations that are radically different to the physical phenomena that generated them
>>and somehow this arrangement "feels" and "thinks" instead of just being an unconscious amoeba doing everything on autopilot
exactly
>>75961735
>>75961735
>>Babies don't believe in gods.
>proofs?
Ask them. They have no concept of it
>>That said the 'god concept' arised as a political tool, it wasn't ingrained
>Proofs?
the above
>>75961730
>Yeah, I once pushed some christfags so far that they denied all reality and sensual imputs
I thought this was the favourite atheist pastime, denying that they are conscious beings with autonomous will, and yet wasting their time on chinese imageboards trying to convince fellow neckbeards of the same thing
>absence of evidence is evidence of absence
>our Earth spontaneous exploding into something from nothingness is much more plausible than a creator
not even going to waste time taking a side in this ocean of piss, but goddamn get your terminology straight.
>>75961639
Provide evidence for these outrageous claims.
>>75961682
The think is that even if your mind can't comprehend these things, we don't have to invoke "magical skyfairy did it" to explain it. Since that is no explanation at all.
>>75961735
Your claim:
Babies believe in god.
Proof?
>>75961744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BQSqHrU7ns
>>75960515
Did Jesus wash the feet of his followers with his tongue?
>>75961820
False. Find me another prophecy in history that said specifically that in the 20th century people would become degenerate. Mind you, there are many other catholic mystics and apparitions from all over the world, through the centureis, that speak of that. I didn't include them in the pic because it was supposed to be primarily about something else.
>>75961744
A universe without a God has no cause. A God needs no cause.
>>75961698
None that are good or that frame these things as actually easily mistakable for humans. Most of the time it's a taytay program in some android hardware, those things are stupid as fuck, it talks but that only confuses idiots.
>>75960219
BRING BACK THE RATZ
>>75961862
There is no magical skyfairy you cunt. The magical skyfairy doesn't exist. I am a pantheist
>>75961834
They "why" is not provided by materialism. I was a hardcorefedora tipper before realizing this. And it would be intellectually far more comfortable for me to be a fedora tipper, at least i know exactly what happens when i kick the bucket
>the current year
>still believing thousands year old stories as the literal truth
*despair but also smug condescending face*
>>75961735
You have to take it on faith.
I never worshiped any god and I did not believed that there is one. If that doesn't satisfy your "atheism" category then Im sorry.
Why should you? Because burden of proof and logic and such.... but you don't need those anyway, right?
You are a retard.
You are full of "no evidence, no evidence" all the while you have zero evidence for the outrageous claim that there is omnipotent magical skyfairy.
STFU and GTFO.
>>75961835
We are autonomous... as a function of being relatively conscious beings with the ability to manipulate matter. Our ability to control matter and communicate allows me to stab you in the brain from across the planet.
>>75961862
As soon as you provide evidence that atheism exists. ;)
>>75961846
>doesn't know actual science and thinks the earth exploded from nothingness according to the big bang theory
>thinks "spontaneous" has any meaning when the big bang theory has time itself beginning at the big bang
>>75961875
His claim:
There is a magical skyfairy that control everything.
Proof?
>>75961846
>The earth came into being from nothing in a split second
>No evidence to support the existence of unicorns, but don't say you don't beleive on them or you're wrong
>>75959243
>Yeah, the two slit experiment doesn't prove shit.
god is addressed at the end of the video. the experiment is just one thing but they also mentioned the cat + poison in a box video where you can literally decide through your mind power if the cat stays alive or not.
>>75962015
>it's old so it's not true
Only a liberal could possibly view anything in this mindset. Literally the antithesis of word "conservative".
Also
>*meme*
You have to go back, redditfugee.
>>75962051
>>75962051
>prove that humans have free will
>this is just as logical as asking for evidence of invisible cosmic wizards
TOPKEK
>>75962003
Still no proof, cuck.
>>75962051
Why should I? I don't care if atheism exists or not.
And until someone provides evidence for god, I would asume there is none, as should any reasonable person do.
>>75961918
>Find me another prophecy in history that said specifically that in the 20th century people would become degenerate
Civilizations become degenerate and decadent before the fall, a symptom of which is women having power, it's the standard procedure (see Roman Empire).
These people just liked to make these profecies around dates with round numbers (see anno 500 and anno 1000)
>>75962003
noone knows the 'why' part
i don't understand why you can't be a pantheist and still accept that who you are is pretty much a bunch of chemistry
i don't see why those are contradictory
>>75962141
>no u the post
Since you are not cooperating, let's get back to shitposting. Not that i am surprised, denial is the first step
>>75961918
I tried googling the quote in your first picture and found nothing. Source?
>Find me another prophecy in history that said specifically that in the 20th century people would become degenerate
This is silly. You have to actually believe in prophecies first. Do you believe the Oracles at Delphi were divinely inspired?
Also, becoming degenerate is quite vague. People have been warning of subsequent degeneracy since the ancient Greeks. Here are some better fulfilled prophecies:
>Section 87 of the Mormon Doctrine and Covenants, written in 1832, accurately predicts that South Carolina will begin a war of the South against the North and call on Great Britain for assistance.
Hey look, Mormonism is correct!
>Calanus of India was an Indian ascetic who met Alexander the Great and predicted the place of his death.
Hey look, ancient Indic religion is correct!
>In 1873, Bahá'u'lláh, who was living at the time in Acre in Ottoman Palestine, prophesied that Germany would lose one war and then fight another:
Hey look, Baha'ism is correct! (plx don't chop head off ISIS)
>>75961735
>Sure, but at the end of the wondering a choice is made, no matter how long the wondering is
But that isn't logically true, anon. People die every day while still not-knowing more than they know.
>You weren't. Prove it or stop saying it.
I never believed in god -> I was born a non-believer. It's that simple, anon. I have always had a lack of belief. I'm very sorry if that offends you.
>>75961948
This is a thought experiment. If an organic mind of "natural creation" cannot observe matter without influencing it. Then what about an inorganic mind? If an inorganic mind is subject to the same effect, then it is consciousness itself which causes a change in matter. Otherwise, it is some kind of anthropic condition related to human beings or organic intelligence. OP is implying that a god is making reality behave this way.
>>75961722
atheism [ey-thee-iz-uh m]
noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
You're welcome, Mohammed.
>>75962218
Since you are full of shit, as well as your religion, I will resume shitposting too.
>>75962084
>There is a magical skyfairy that control everything.
The common christian understanding of god would be that "god is the concept of beeing in itself"
He's not a part of this world because if he were he would not solve the endless regression of cause and effect that is "what made the world".
But ofcourse the "skyfairy" is a fun piniata to whack at so you can prove your power of intellectual reasoning in front of your equaly ignorant peers.
>>75957807
closed systems only fatty
>>75962191
Here, hope this explains it better than i do
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz%27s_gap
>>75961834
>Ask them. They have no concept of it
Nice cop out faggot. Literally not an argument
>>75961875
I don't claim babies believe in God. I claim they have no awareness of it due to their limited awareness of the world around them. Once they learn the word God, their brain identifies it with a concept. They ask their parents "what is God" and they answer. If they reject it they become atheists, otherwise religious. Mind you, if they are born in an atheist family, the opposite will happen. Rejection will make them religious, and adherence to cultural tradition will make them atheists.
>>75962023
I am sorry what?
>You are full of "no evidence, no evidence" all the while you have zero evidence for the outrageous claim that there is omnipotent magical skyfairy.
Bitch we are talking about you here. You are the one making claims. You are the one obsessed with evidence. Cannot provide evidence for your claims? Then you are a hypocrite who should learn some humility and stop thinking of himself as an infallible empirical machine.
Obviously you assume a lot of things you have no evidence for, for example that you were born an atheist.
>STFU and GTFO
lmao, are you mad that a theist is smarter than you? Sorry to burst your bubble m8
>>75962160
nah m8. They all made prophecies about the second half of the 20th century. There is literally no reason why people from 1300, 1400 etc. etc. and from all parts of the world would all make that prediction. Mind you, we are talking about blessed people, who were given these messages by God. Also notice how from 1300 to 1900 the date never changes. There are no prophecies about the devil being freed in the 24th century. You get my point? Evidence is undeniable.
>>75962081
>actual science
A true believer of "actual science" that most likely consists of NASA CGI and einstein quotes.
>>75962099
>le abserd false equivalence meme
pic related; it's you
>>75961163
christcucks want to save atheist souls , what atheist want i have no clue
Prove that you faggot are not god and this is not universe created by yourself where you pretende to live
>>75960002
>fuck gays
>but turning Europe Muslim is totally OK
Yeah, I'll take a handful of faggots over having my head chopped off.
>>75962317
Idk anymore m8. Do i have to become a catholic again?
>>75961881
That's cute. So god is a grand mystery, but communion really is the body of jesus. Come on...
REMINDER:
Christian parties ALWAYS vote for immigration.
Christians are the first line of every "refugees welcome" party.
Christian churches host muslim invaders.
Christian churches are also rebuild to mosques.
Christianity betrayed west.
Christianity betrayed you.
>>75962383
>current year
>solipsism
>>75962370
>what atheist want i have no clue
I have an idea or two
outstanding reddit thread guys
>>75962110
Lololol le funny reddit meme xdddd
>>75962334
>NASA CGI
so a flat Earther then?
>>75962261
How are you defining an inorganic mind? Everything a synthetic machine can do must be deliberately programmed into its list of abilities, even deep learning needs to be trained like an animal. You can't train it to do "all the things" because that would take an honest infinite amount of time.
A better way to think of AI is information humans give to the machine, it's incapable of forming that information, aka creativity, itself.
Thus, your thought experiment is false.
>>75962446
>said the finnish homo
>>75962447
Still has same proof as every religion
>>75962451
>Atheists want a dick in their ass
Sounds about right.
>>75962289
So why pray, read it's books, or make buildings to it?
>>75962224
it is paraphrased of course to fit the space. More here:
http://www.tfp.org/tfp-home/about-our-lady/prophecies-of-our-lady-of-good-success-about-our-times.html
>Do you believe the Oracles at Delphi were divinely inspired?
Of course not.
>>Calanus of India was an Indian ascetic who met Alexander the Great and predicted the place of his death.
funny that you mention alexander the great
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/alexander-reads-about-himself-in-the-book-of-daniel
Your prophecies are total shit btw, you are being stupid in comparing them.
The catholic mystics all made prophecies about the second half of the 20th century. There is literally no reason why people from 1300, 1400 etc. etc. and from all parts of the world would all make that prediction. Mind you, we are talking about blessed people, who were given these messages by God. Also notice how from 1300 to 1900 the date never changes. There are no prophecies about the devil being freed in the 24th century. You get my point? Evidence is undeniable.
>>75962490
>>75962261
Something for you two
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics
>In physics and cosmology, digital physics (also referred to as digital ontology or digital philosophy) is a collection of theoretical perspectives based on the premise that the universe is, at heart, describable by information, and is therefore[citation needed] computable. Therefore, according to this theory, the universe can be conceived of as either the output of a deterministic or probabilistic computer program, a vast, digital computation device, or mathematically isomorphic to such a device.[1]
>>75962084
>There is a magical skyfairy that control everything.
This broad statement is pretty far off from almost all Christian denominations' beliefs. You re betraying your ignorance of Christian's theology & various church's doctrines.
Basically: God doesn't usually interfere with the free will of people and instill faith even if he can. Because by doing so a person's love of god wouldn't be spontaneous or pure. An example would be a dog owner asking the dog to roll over, but the dog doesn't. So the owner just grabs the dog and rolls the pet himself.
>>75962289
Well, he is bit talkative to be "the concept of beeing in itself"
How could he be not part of this word when he created it? Does the potter disappear after the pot is finished?
Well, since you are so well versed in logic, what about you provided a conclusive evidence for the existence of the specific god of your religion as a burden of proof dictates, so we, poor lost souls, can finally find the light too?
>>75962478
The Earth isn't flat, it's a plane.
Every image of the Earth released by NASA is doctored.
>>75962413
>Idk anymore m8. Do i have to become a catholic again?
Yes. Come back home, mediterranean man
>>75958565
>he lives in a country with good education and internet
>still believes in magic space wizards that were indoctrinated into his skull at a young age when he was gullible enough for it
Honestly at this point you might as well remove yourself from the genepool.
>>75962490
Imagine an AI that can, and you have an inorganic machine which learns the way humans can. You seem to have a lack of imagination on this.
