Why do Pro Russia separatists exist? Why do they want their country (Ukraine) taken by another (Russia)?
>>75909652
>ukraine
no such country
>>75909793
fpbp
>>75909793
Polski Lwow kiedy?
I want one of those gp-25s so badly. They're so fucking sexy.
>>75909793
They want to be like the USSR? (Again)
>>75909793
>this triggers the pole
>>75909652
because there are russians living in these parts, talking russian, squating like russian, fucking russian.
>>75909652
They unironically believe that Russia will give them some well paid government spot or something.
>>75909652
Because they are Russian
>>75909652
>Why do they want their country (Ukraine) taken by another (Russia)?
Because Russia sees itself as some sort of pan-slavic superpower that has the right to unite all Russians under its rule.
That and the Ukrainians hate their souls for the whole Soviet oppression thing.
>>75910753
Speaking Russian makes you Russian? Then I guess all Americans are brits.
>>75911263
that's one of the shittiest argumentum absurdis people use around and don't worry, you aren't spanish.
hey europe stop seizing settlements in russian lands.
>>75909652
Because Putin needs them to keep Ukraine destabilized. Never was there any sign of separatism until Putin needed there to be separatists. Then all of a sudden highly organized and well equipped separatists seemingly appear out of nowhere.
>>75911429
>Russian lands
According to the arrogant Russian population, the entire eastern block belongs to them, even if the population living there hates them.
>>75911429
You can talk yiros.
They speak Russian as a mother tongue and belong to the Russian Orthodox Church.
The question should be why do the Ukrainians and NATO/EU want to force them with Ukraine.
>>75910608
Why doesn't Russia hold itself to its own standards and let Chechnya be independent?
>>75909652
Because the alternative is the IMF and starvation. The only countries that ever got better were the ones that threw out the IMF advisors and threw away their advice.
>>75909793
just curious, do you consider yourself a slav and do most poles consider themselves slavic?
>>75911635
Just in case someone goes asking for proofs of Russian meddling, here's a source "straight form the horses mouth."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_II
Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres (31 mi) apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70 kilometres (43 mi) for multiple rocket launchers (MRLS) and 140 kilometres (87 mi) for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch, and Tochka U tactical missile systems:
MLRS Tornado-S is exclusively a Russian system, and here we have Russian diplomats agreeing to pull out the system form the frontlines.
It's one thing to be a slav, but when you're an Orthodox Slav you start thinking you need to split off from whatever country you inhabit and declare your own territory, because Orthodox Slavs are like Muslims - they can't live peacefully with other religions. See Yugoslav wars
>>75911890
Obvious shill. Just look at the wording of your two sentences.
>>75911715
you can tiny dick blond surf yada bla
>>75912206
Shocking, a non-white defends transatlantic globalism.
ask first OP why did the western banksters order their intelligence agencies to stage a coup d'etat in Ukraine and subvert that country?
>>75909652
they typically had been part of the soviet union at one point in time. maybe they dont like germany any more. maybe the west is declining and they want off the ride
>>75912205
but Catholic Slavs do this too. see Poland v USSR, Croatia and Slovenia v Yugoslavia, hell even Czechs and Slovaks couldn't stand each other even though they're bros now.
Slavs are incapable of putting aside their petty differences in order to have stability and prosperity. Hence the meme:
>Slavs
>white
actually makes sense
>>75912205
Actually, the catholic and muslim slavs wanted the separation. Orthodox slavs were against it.
>>75913269
>Orthodox slavs were against it.
Orthodox Slavs had their own plebiscites in both Croatia and Bosnia mang. Even Macedonians and later Crnogorci held a referendum for leaving Yugoslavia even though they're literally 100% the same people
Because smaller countries have less firepower to protect themselves.
If Russia anexs you then you get new roads hospitals and schools, you get protection from extremist groups, and you get somewhat competent government over the current one.
Because they have an ultranationalist pro-Western government who got power in a Western-backed coup. At first, many of the Russian Ukrainians in southeast didn't want to separate, they just protested against the government and advocated federalization of the Ukraine. When the Ukrainian junta answered them by burning them alive (Odessa) or bombing them (Donetsk), they became separatists.
NOVORUSSIA TRIBUTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8xBDPZ007o
>>75911635
Never was there any sign of separatism until
>Yanukovic (who had high voter support in the east, seperatist states) was removed in a coup
>Russian removed from official language list
>Odessa massacre of counter-coup protesters
>>75909652
Ukraine ?
You mean Ruthenia, wich basically mean Land of the Rus' aka Russia.
>>75914442
> When the Ukrainian junta answered them by burning them alive (Odessa) or bombing them (Donetsk), they became separatists.
That's the narrative that seperatists and useful idiots in the west push after the fact. The east was armed and supported by russia since before Poroshenko was in office.
How would Russia react to armed militias of Chechens taking over government buildings and demanding independence?
People act like Donetsk was fully of old ladies holding signs when the bombs started falling.
Russian nationals like Igor Girkin and Alexander Borodai were present in Ukraine before the ATO.
Not to mention that the 'protesters' in Odessa also included several men with rifles. Several maidan activists were shot by pro-russians in the clashes leading up to the trade union fire.
Don't even get me started on the arms shipments to the separatists and mh 17
>>75909652
That's how paid shilling looks irl.
>>75914036
>If Russia anexs you then you get new roads hospitals and schools
Ignoring the fact that former Russia controlled Eastern Europe was severely lacking in infrastructure compared to their neighbours
>you get protection from extremist groups
Ignring the fact that Russia sent as much citizens fighting for ISIS as Germany, rance, and UK combined, and has constant conflict and terror attacks by their Islamic Chechen separatists.
>and you get somewhat competent government over the current one.
Ignoring the fact that they've been having a financial crisis since 2014, 5 years after they suffered a 'Great Recession' in 2009.
>>75911894
They do hold themselves to their own standards.
Their standards involve right by might.
>>75909652
Remember there are no Russian troops in Ukraine goy
>>75915664
Back to Russia you go
>>75909652
because they think its better to be part russia again than to be another country that is only useful to the west as a place to build military bases against russia, and ukraine isnt really even a country so remove cyborg novorossiya stronk glory to based givi and motorola
>>75909652
why do northern-Irish Catholics want to be a part of another country ( Ireland ) ?
>>75910227
Why do people keep saying USSR?
Russia today is modeled after the Russian Empire with its nationalistic causes and broadening the definition of what it means to be a Russian to better assimilate the already diverse groups Russia has within it's borders.
It's trying to position itself as the alt-Europe that rejects cultural Marxism and favors assimilating other groups into the fold rather then appeasing them and doing it their way.
A good Read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/30/surveys-show-russian-nationalism-is-on-the-rise-this-explains-a-lot-about-the-countrys-foreign-and-domestic-politics/
>Ethnic Russian nationalism has been growing since the fall of the Soviet Union, along with attempts by the regime to commandeer it — what Emil Pain terms “imperial nationalism.” On the one hand, Putin and his administration recognize the leading role of the ethnic Russian people in forming the Russian state. On the other, naked ethnic nationalism could provoke separatism in a multiethnic country such as the Russian Federation. Imperial nationalism offers a middle ground. Putin can present the country as a great power and tie a desire for ethnic greatness to the greatness of the state.
>>75917876
>Ignoring the fact that former Russia controlled Eastern Europe was severely lacking in infrastructure compared to their neighbours
Ignoring that those were soviets who viewed everyone as their cattle, including the Russian people.
>gnring the fact that Russia sent as much citizens fighting for ISIS as Germany, rance, and UK combined, and has constant conflict and terror attacks by their Islamic Chechen separatists.
Ignoring the fact that the KGB would kidnap the terrorists family members and maybe even send some body parts to other family members of the terrorist till your location is given up and your rescued.
>Ignoring the fact that they've been having a financial crisis since 2014, 5 years after they suffered a 'Great Recession' in 2009.
Ignoring the fact that even western economies are at awe at how Russia has been able to hold together and how it's central bank leader is something western central banks can only hope for.
Russians are crafty with state management. Got all kinds of experiments to look back on during the Soviet days to take what works and throw out the rest.
