Anybody else has noticed that every UK newspaper is full of articles written by nu-males about opening all the borders for 3rd world?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/jun/02/national-borders-exist-to-pen-poor-people-into-reservations-of-poverty
>>75892834
I wonder how a Pakistani citizen would feel about his country being called a "reservation of poverty". I'm sure he'd be elated by this nu-male's progressive tolerance.
If you knew anything about the economics of open borders you would be for it too. Look up Bryan Caplan.
>>75892834
Lol this guy doesn't realise that free movement of people will result in mass starvation, genocide, disease epidemic, and probably anarchy.
Why can't lefties into consequences?
>>75894130
Pakistan is just another failed state, always has been.
>>75892834
90% of the newspapers in Spain are absolutely pro-open borders while some years ago were whinning about letting poles in.
Also anything that is pro-borders is called far-right.
>>75894482
Open borders is a far right wing idea.
>>75892834
>>75892867
>speaking negatively about Israel
pretty brave desu
>>75892834
The Guardian is a left wing newspaper
![o-TREVOR-PHILLIPS-570[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yxBQtNt.jpg "o-TREVOR-PHILLIPS-570[1].jpg")
>>75892834
the Guardian is sure, because it's a leftist rag.
Telegraph and Daily Mail are based
>>75894405
>Who cares about identity, culture, history, and tradition as long as GDP grows?
>>75892834
40-year olds earning money for college-tier essays.
The money is probably not big, but still more than most low-skilled labor. They can live with it because they mentally never left their safe-space college and still believe they are changing the world with their just words, speaking truth to the power.
>overbreed
>underwork
>this is the fault of borders
Yeah no.
Jesus, when did this board turn so fucking left-wing. Open borders are a fundamental aspect of capitalism.
The invisible hand of the market will determine where people want to live. Stop trying to stifle competition. You bunch of dirty fucking pinko-commies.
>>75892834
I'm surprised that they even found a woman and children to photograph.
I wonder where they all are... hmmmm... it's like maybe just maybe the refugees and migrants aren't woman and children, but then if that's not the case then what could it possibly mean... hmmm.... really makes you think doesn't it
>>75895113
Open borders debate is about globalism vs nationalism, nothing to do with right vs left wing. Competition? Workers can't compete with workers living in 3rd world shitholes, unless they are willing to work for virtually nothing. You either don't understand that or you just don't care, in which case you're a traitor to your country and people.
>>75895705
That's the free market. Competition breeds innovation. If you're not getting paid enough then go and get a better job. Why should I have to pay more for goods and services because Pete doesn't want to compete fairly with Jamal? Like I said, you're a commie yet you have the gall, (or should I say chutzpah, oy vey!) to call me a traitor.
>>75894905
FUCKING
>>75895892
Competition over low wage labour does not bring innovation. Go and get a better job? There will always be people at the bottom of the society; always people who do worse than others. You want to open the borders just because there are people from the outside willing to do low paying jobs for even less money than your countrymen.
To answer your question: Simple, because Pete is your countryman. I don't know why you think it's strange for me to call you a traitor. You don't seem to believe in the concept of countries in the first place.
>>75895892
People want to live where the best gibs are, so the competition between Pete and Jamal would be who gets more gibs and better social housing.
Unfortunately, you will have to pay for that.
>>75895892
Globalist shill
People do not have the money to move to other cities let alone other countries
Cartels determine the wages in cooperation with governments
Pajeet and Chong are literally inhaling poison fumes on cents a day to make thousands of Nike shoes
Go fuck off and work for Foxconn once you are laid off and replaced by Pajeet
Im sure learning Chinese and living 12 to a room will be nice and not uncomfortable at all
But hey free market
>>75896436
LEAF
>>75892834
>The Guardian
>Every Newspaper
wew that's like picking Der Angriff as representative of germany
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/10149/Cult+of+Christendom
>>75896533
>>75896593
>>75896822
None of this is my problem. I should've have to subsidise the lifestyles of lazy freeloaders who can't be assed to move for work. You people are on par with Bernie supporters who scream about how McDonald's workers should be paid $15 dollars an hour.
>>75897105
>subsidise
You don't subsidize shit, retard. You are not entitled to slave work. If you can't compete while offering wages that aren't an embarrassment to your country, then you shouldn't last in the market.
>>75892834
Yes.
>the guardian
It's the lefty paper
>>75897105
Oy Vey
You realize you will always lose eventually in this rat race of global capitalism?
The Fortune 500 companies dont last almost none from the original list are on there now and you aren't a corporation just a guy from a tiny island
Why do you not want a nation-state which will protect a measure of comfort for you?
>>75894669
Fucked by a moose and cucked by a spruce. Every time, every thread, no exceptions.
>>75896822
>Still using the poor Chinese worker argument
Ever since China went capitalism route more people are getting out of the working factory and into middle wage jobs. Hell some chink became a billionaire for making fresh-air-in-a-can. Poor people from other countries just come and ruin their foster country.
Source, history.
>>75897310
Listen to yourself mate.
> If you can't compete while offering wages that aren't an embarrassment to your country, then you shouldn't last in the market.
You're a burger literally arguing in favour of McDonald's closing down. I've seen it all now. This board has gone nuts. When did you all get so blue-pilled?
>>75897105
I'm enjoying you play devils advocate. I hope someone can refute you but so far no such luck.
>>75897105
It is very much your problem. You don't seem to understand that there are consequences for being disloyal to your in group. There will be no one to protect you. Or do you think that the migrants that will pour open through those open borders will share your view that in group preferences are bad? Or that other globalists feel any loyalty to you?
Move where? There are billions of impoverished people in 3rd world countries. More than enough to do all of the low wage jobs in 1st world countries. And you want to let them all in. Your Mcdonald's example is not the same thing at all.
>>75897105
Why do you think hordes of Jamals are going to want to work for Chinese-tier wages when you will be paying them welfare for each of their 8 children for the heroic act of dragging their assess to your country
>>75894651
>90% of the newspapers in Spain are absolutely pro-open borders while some years ago were whinning about letting poles in.
Same in UK, one of main arguments of Brexit supporters is that it will allow more non-Europeans into UK, while blocking Europeans from coming in.
>>75897629
In a free market loyalty is owed to the highest bidder. Just because you're too lazy to do anything with your life and need the gub'mint to look after you doesn't mean the rest of us do. Christ.
>>75897658
I'm not arguing in favour of subsidising Jamal or Pete. They should compete fairly in a market. I'm not going to take lessons in industriousness from a polack.
>he doesn't read the daily mail
quit having pleb-tier tastes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3611884/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Crisis-proves-control-borders.html
>>75897793
That's uh, not how it's going to work. They know that right?
>>75892834
That's actually pretty true. National borders do pen poor people into poor reservations, the alternative though is destroying your own standard of living to raise that other another until the world reaches an equilibrium of shit.
>>75897530
>in favor of McDonalds closing down
Way to take a massive leap in logic. McDonalds pays its employees enough for what they're SUPPOSED to be: teenagers with maybe two adults supervising everything.
The issue is that they use illegal immigrants for labor, which is why we see all job growth in the past 14 years going to immigrants, not Americans.
Go suck off a kike, you worthless faggot. Hope the invisible hand of globalism reams you in your ass.
>>75892834
>waaah these people are stuck in camps!
They're free to leave. This is like someone coming over to my front porch and asking to come into my house. I refuse, and so they wait on the front porch, claiming that they're forcing me to stay on the porch. No, they just can't come into my house. Now fuck off.
>>75894669
Man. I'd really like some of whatever drugs you're on right now.
If say these people got what they wanted and there were no more borders all that would happen would be white communities stick together and keep moving to avoid the shitskins hordes and everywhere else would be like madmax. You would probably start having walls built around communities with armed guards can considering open borders would make crime flourish.
>>75897629
It's not my problem if Jamal and Pete fight over who gets to work in McDonald's. I was thrifty and smart and worked my way up the ladder. Why can't Pete do the same? I'm supposed to give him a hand-out just because we're both in the same country? Why do I owe him anything more than I owe Jamal?
>>75897525
>muh capitalism cures everything even niggers
Does Chong still work for cents making t-shirts?
Yes he does your argument is invalid
China is simply transforming into the typical third world model a bunch of richfags ruling over a mass of poor peasants and urban proles
And the only reason they are doing this is because they are serving as a cheap factory for America which shutters our jobs
>>75897873
Yes, I know. What's your point? You don't get to choose to have a free market. The people you want to let in certainly don't want one. I think the government should protect its citizens against the outside world, yes. I don't believe there should be welfare or tax payer funded jobs though. I'm a libertarian nationalist, basically. You just seem to be an anarcho-capitalist. I went through that phase, too.
>>75898239
To be fair though, those poor peasants have better standards of living than their fathers did, and the Chinese middle class is growing rapidly.
>>75892834
>Anybody else has noticed that every UK newspaper is full of articles written by nu-males about opening all the borders for 3rd world?
I've noticed that what would have been anathema for lefties a decade or two ago is now embraced.
Before the EU it was clear; globalism was a capitalist machination to drive working class people to poverty by sending their jobs away and importing people who work for peanuts.
And that's exactly what we got.
Now, mysteriously, the most simple economic logic of "undercutting existing labour" is called "racist". Somehow. The left is actively arguing that this is a good thing. A decade ago they would have pointed out it's an exploitation of the poor that we use to do the jobs as well as a stab in the back of the existing working class.
See, the mystery here isn't just that the left has gone retarded, but that it's not even the left anymore. The arguments are literally the neoconservative "open borders, cheap labour, deregulation" speech they've been railing against for a century.
So what the fuck happened?
>>75892834
>why do we belive in free trade and free movement of goods but not labor?
Becuase no one wants to fucking devalue labor more than it is already.
And people =/= numbers. Importing boatloads of people have consequences and repercussions.
>>75897941
https://www.rt.com/uk/343805-brexit-leaflets-asians-migration/
Brexit campaigners bent on securing the support of British Asians in the EU referendum are handing out leaflets arguing a vote to leave the bloc will stem the flow of eastern European immigrants and open Britain’s doors to more migrants from elsewhere.
Britain’s official ‘Out’ campaign has begun targeting Hindi, Urdu and Punjabi speakers across the UK with fliers that insist a Brexit would ease the tide of migrants from Eastern Europe, while allowing newcomers from Commonwealth nations in instead.
>>75897873
They will compete fairly in the market of gibs once you open borders.
If you decide to cut welfare once you have tens of millions of Ahmeds and Jamals in your country because lel open market, you will have to fix your teeth and prepare your anus.
>>75892834
>Giles Fraser's father was Jewish and his mother from a Christian background, and Fraser himself was circumcised according to Jewish tradition
POL IS ALWAYS RIGHT
>>75892834
These people are actually retarded
How do they not understand that flooding prosperous nations with tens of millions of people will start draining that prosperity?
What happens to these poorer nations when they begin emptying? They'll only get poorer and become more war torn and undesirable places to live, so the people who decide to remain will die or have shittier lives and of course we'll still continue to donate money and resources in unnecessarily at an increasing rate to attempt to counteract the decline because that will obviously fix the problem eventually according to their logic
And then when there aren't enough jobs to go around these savages with loot and kill to survive and people making an honest living will stop doing so as they become targets and the spiral will go further downward like shit down a drain until it clogs and floods shit everywhere
I fucking swear these people are consciously attempting to kill modern civilization and destroy the world, there's no other explanation
Mad/10
>>75898343
I'm not anything friendo, I'm just someone who believes in hard work and looking after myself and my family.
I don't want to let anyone in and I certainly don't want to have to subsidise people like you by having my tax money pay for border controls so you don't feel like dem immigrants are going to come and steal your job. Maybe if you worked harder you wouldn't face this problem.
>>75898237
As I already told you, there will always be people at the bottom, even if everyone is thrifty and smart. This isn't hard to understand. Yes, you are supposed to be loyal to your fellow countryman. You don't have to be, no, but if you aren't, your countrymen will not be loyal to you.
>>75894815
>Daily Mail
that's based Pierce right
>>75898615
I live in the UK, the Polish are on par with Ahmed and Jamal. You're all from the East to me, mate. Cut welfare and those workers who don't want to compete can go back to Poland or Iraq or wherever they can find a job.
So as a country becomes more and more depleted because people are leaving to more successful or booming countries, what happens to it? Surely that wreck things like population and GDP if nobody is coming back.
>>75898344
Yes
But it is pretty easy to improve on the standards of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution
Also all of this is fueled by outside investment and exports
And what is good about this? This is a neocon argument we are literally bankrupting our country to fuel China's growth
Our debt is enormous, they rip us off with currency manipulations and require technology transfers and Chinese majority control of outside investments
All so the Communist Party can be filthy rich and a few million Chinese can become middle class
>>75898691
I understand, but those people should work to better themselves. /pol/ can't claim that whites are the master race and then be afraid that Arabs or the Chinese are harder workers or more industrious and will out-compete them.
If you want loyalty, like everything else in life, you have to work for it not expect it to be just given to you on a plate.
>>75898888
Because producing goods with less inputs overall creates more wealth, as those inputs that would have been invested into producing the same goods can now be employed elsewhere.
>>75898663
You're having trouble debating me without attacking my character, something you know nothing about.
Perhaps you just haven't thought through what the results will be of the policies you want. Do you think you're going to be able to convince those Africans and Arabs you want to let in that Libertarianism is great, and that welfare is bad? You have 0% chance of having a free market in your country if you have open borders too.
>>75899075
Wealth for who?
Our real wages are stagnant and the middle class is shrinking
>>75899100
I don't understand why you keep calling me a Libertarian? I'm just talking common sense, friend. If there's no welfare and Africans and Arabs don't want to work for the wages that are being offered in the country then they will stop coming here. It's just simple economics and logic really.
It's like if you weren't happy about what you were getting paid in a job, you would go and work somewhere else. The same is true for global movement of labour. If you're against it you're basically on par with the USSR trying to stop people fleeing East Germany.
>>75899003
This isn't about hard work or being industrious. 3rd world people will always be able to out compete 1st world people for low wage jobs because they are simply more desperate.
>>75899003
>harder workers or more industrious
They're not either of those things. They're just adept at poverty.
>>75897793
>>75898493
Shill faggot
>>75892834
>Free movement of labour
BECAUSE THE MOVEMENT ONLY GOES ONE WAY YOU FUCKING KEK!
No one wants to go to fucking somalia or the congo
>>75899329
For the nation as a whole.
>>75899388
Well that's the free market. If someone is willing to provide a better offer then they get the job.
Capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than any other system and yet you're arguing against it and bizarrely claiming it will create poverty. Well why don't you try living in North Korea? They have closed borders.
>>75899359
You are arguing for small government, open borders, and are against welfare. That's what a libertarian is.
For the last time, you can't get rid of welfare if you have open borders. The people coming in vote for it!
>>75899582
You're a kike who wants to drive wages down to get richer.
>>75898493
Farage sites Enoch Powell as a personal hero. It's a clear dog-whistling. He is a closeted ethnonationalist. Always have been.
>>75899678
And you're a commie who wants to take hard-workers money because he's too lazy to work and better himself.
>>75898844
>millions of foreigners in your country who subsidize exclusively on gibs with short bursts of part-time menial jobs due to lel open borders
>cut the welfare
>hurr they will surely go back, I read on the internet about hard work and laws of the market
You could be telling them about free markets and your work ethic when they will be pounding you in the ass during riots, so I guess there's that.
>>75899770
>not wanting to flood the UK with pooskins who drive wages down
>you're a commie
Typical kike
>>75899786
This is literally the same argument commies always threaten.
>Hurr take away scroungers benefits and they will come and kill you
Sorry, I don't listen to childish threats.
>>75892834
I hate neocon kikes so goddamn much.
>>75899857
It's not about driving down wages though. People are paid what they are worth. There's no such thing as an overpaid or underpaid worker. There's only what the market decides people are worth.
>>75898844
The Eastern europeans might indeed go home, but the Muslims will establish their own Sharia enclaves.
>>75899903
They wouldn't even need to use violence. Their vote will be enough.
>>75899770
Wow mate spoken like a true XIX century business man.
>>75900026
>There's only what the market decides people are worth.
And the market worth goes down when you let half of pakistan and poland into the market.
>>75900026
We don't have a free market, and even if we did, we wouldn't have one for long after the arrival of your millions of guests.
>>75899543
Haha ok
>>75894669
Don't you have a fire to put out.
>>75900175
Eventually we'll have to go Pinochet then.
Reminder that no-one reads the fucking Guardian.
>>75900931
not to mention the comments section is a hugbox with everyone liking the lefty comments and swarming/ignoring the comments that disagree with the author
>>75894815
The most horrifying realisation for this britbong was after several decades of life, service, practice and everything else...
>The Daily Mail was right all along.
