For all things Christian
Catholics and Protestants alike are welcome to discuss theology. Try to be polite.
Atheists also welcome, but try to be constructive.
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Please recommend anything for me to add to the OP and I'll check it out.
>>75862879
So this thread is some kind of "safe space" for Christians on /pol/?
Kekkers you fools.
>>75862879
It's ridicolous how people can't understand it.
> Muh Christians are going to die in yourpe heheh we atheist win the God battle hehe
> Growing in Africa ( 1000 gorillion people)
> Growing in Asia (1000 gorillion people)
> Growing in South America (not 100 gorillion but big)
> "Dying in Europe" (500 million people)
Why atheists are so fag?
>>75862956
We don't need safe spaces, it's a fag stuff.
>>75862956
Yes, because everything the western culture has created is now politically incorrect.
>>75863029
Asia, Africa and South America - all places known for their good education systems and very civil populations,
>>75862956
Be gone infantile spawn of Satan
>>75862879
>left handed soldier
THE DEVILS MINION. See her to the stake or see yourself in Lucifer's army!
>>75863115
Hey nigger, how do you think we have become civil?
> M-muh probably iPhone
Ah sorry, you're right
Don't religion threads belong in /his/ now?
>>75862956
This thread is more for you than it is for us.
>>75863029
>>75863075
>>75863158
You guys have any good content I might be able to add to the OP?
Maybe some scriptures I should have at the top of the OP.
Are there prayers that are appropriate to help bless this thread?
>>75863224
Religion belongs in everywhere
Does this image describe Catholicism, currently?
>>75863224
Christianity is politically incorrect now. Somehow Islam is more hip than Christianity nowadays.
>>75863224
>Implying that the body politic of Christianity isn't relevant to /pol/
>>75863268
I had. However, it is rather simple. Just google "Christianity in every place" and see the growth.
Moreover, Vatican writes the numbers of fidels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tlsKBC6czQ
This is for the prayers
>>75863268
Put some C. S. Lewis stuff in there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXlBCZ_5OYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJu0oYvi-cY
Any tips on how to find Jesus after being atheist for years?
To the Aussie anon who gave me these verses, none of them answer my question.
>My question in the next post
>>75863208
Improving education standards and economic growth following the Renaissance and development of humanistic and secular ideals.
You're Italian, you should know this. You're letting the side down. Leonardo Da Vinci is the kind of man that led to civility and prosperity by valuing reason over faith, by following the pursuit of invention and science.
Religion is great for morons, substance abusers, alcoholics and the poor. Let it go, it's holding you back.
>>75863722
Not only were the verses unsatisfactory, but also were controversial. Like
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
>that verse in the next post
>>75863667
First you must accept that there is a difference between true-atheism and agnostic-atheism
True-atheism is unreasonable. It insists that anything supernatural is absolutely impossible, and that it could not even remotely be possible. They act like they know that for a fact.
Agnostic-Atheism(which is what you most likely are) acknowledges that there COULD be something, but they just don't know.
Basically, you just don't know, and you're trying to figure it out.
>>75863667
Diddle some kids, but be careful about it because this could lead you to Islam too.
>>75863667
Form an emotional connection to that which is Absolute and Good in every sense
It should be easy if you have a thirst for knowledge
Then comes your attitude towards the moral maxims of the Gospel
>>75863835
What's the controversy, you ask...
Well, it clearly shows the difference between "The Most High" and the "Lord" of Israel.
If you're still around, elaborate on this...or others can help.
I know this will attract the "Demiurge" people.
>>75863722
>>75863835
>>75864086
What the Aussie said did explain it, but he did a bad job I guess.
There are two factors.
Firstly, we know that all creatures including humans will adapt and evolve to their environment, this isn't something that Christians deny. That is why asians look the way they do, and why blacks look the way they do.
As for languages. There was a time when all the people spoke the same language, the story of the tower of Babel explains why that isn't so anymore.
>>75863158
Is he meant to be from Warhammer's Empire or something?
Thinking about completely separating from being Episcopalian, as it is nothing more than blasphemers and heretics, and exploring Orthodoxy Christianity. Any anons that are Orthodoxy that can give me some information about it?
>>75864086
Better screenie
>>75864191
Don't know. That would make him a possibly Holy Roman solider
>>75864306
Find an Orthodox church, or (much more awe-inspiring) a monastery and ask there how to join and learn about the faith
>>75863850
I don't believe in Atheists Romans1 18-22
>>75864306
You should join Catholicism instead.
>>75864306
Baptist is the way to go if your conservative
>>75864306
I'm Catholic but I won't recommend any denomination to you.
I recommend you study the theology, and DEFINITELY ask God to guide you towards the right path.
>>75864306
Orthodox here, ama
any of you cucks actually go to church not gonna be mean to you I've gone to church my entire life but I find people on 4chin that say they are Christian don't really go to church
>>75865033
Yep
>>75865033
I've been going to mass a lot. I miss a sunday here and there, but it's bi-weekly at the worst.
>>75862879
This isn't a troll question, it's an honest question:
How do you all (assuming you are nationalists, or at least take a great deal of pride in your race) cope with the fact that Christianity is a foreign Semitic religion?
It's something that's hard for me to accept at times.
/rel/ when?
>>75865145
Because it is true
Civil Duty Romans 13
Salvation is not limited to a specific tribe of people
Morality is God tier
>>75865145
Why does it matter that 2k years ago it was an Arabic jew that started Christianity not like we have to have a religion created by a white person from America though there is Mormonism which I do not subscribe to
>>75865145
>How do you all (assuming you are nationalists, or at least take a great deal of pride in your race) cope with the fact that Christianity is a foreign Semitic religion?
You have to remember that the current elitest Globalist Jews are blasphemers.
If you read the Old Testament it's made very clear that the Jews were very stubborn and hard-hearted people who lost the grace of God for good reason.
But it's also good to keep in mind that the common jew is not the same as elitest jews like George Soros. Common Jews are just pawns in the hands of the elitests the same as blacks often are.
The Royal Families(Rothschilds, etc) believe they are descended directly from Charlemagne, and they further believe the blasphemy that Jesus and Mary Magdelene had children and that Charlemagne was the resulting descendant.
I could go on if you like.
>>75865266
This though it would be filled with shitposters early on.
>>75865417
All the better desu.
Theology debates are both thought-provoking and fun.
>>75865417
>Implying our General isn't filled with shitposters anyway
>>75865145
Smites are arabs as well as jews, among others
Now how do I deal with the judaic heritage?
I just remember the jews by and large killed the physical incarnation of their own God and have ever since been cursed to wonder around the world, nevermore as the chosen people
We basically stole their religion and made it right
>>75865492
*wander
>>75865033
I've fallen. It's been a good six years since I went to church. The Most High understands my challenges and battles.
>>75865344
Not from America, but from Europe where out ancestors came from.
>>75865359
You could go on, I'd like to read more.
Couldn't it be argued that the Ashkenazi Jews are the truly evil ones? I read this once, but I don't know from where.
I'd rather live in a 100% Christian country than a 100% atheist country
And I'm and atheist myself
What makes you guys believe that a group of mostly hairless apes could possibly have divined the exact nature and intentions of the creator, let alone be able to comprehend the creator at all? Not trying to be rude, but all religion has seemed to me like wish-fulfillment; happy, easy answers to unhappy, difficult-to-answer questions.
>>75865617
>Couldn't it be argued that the Ashkenazi Jews are the truly evil ones?
Not even. They are cannon fodder too.
As I said.
The belief of the elitest Jews is that they are descended from Charlemagne, and that Charlemagne is descended from Jesus and Mary Magdelene.
The reason this is a big deal is because it allows them to believe that they are the true line of David.
and Jewish prophecy says that the Messiah will come through the line of David.
Do you understand what they believe now? It's incredibly nefarious and also explains why they push a globalist agenda so strongly.
>>75865145
Any religion is going to be foreign to you except for Scientology or something like that, does it really matter? If you believe in a God who saved all mankind it really shouldn't matter where it originated.
But for what it's worth, Christianity is far more Greek and Roman than it is Jewish, in its philosophy and traditions. We don't keep the Sabbath, we don't uphold the old laws, we don't say that Jews are still God's chosen people. The Christians that do are called Judaizers, which St. Paul himself wrote to beware of, as well as St. John Chrysostom, St. Ignatius, and many others..
>>75865709
Romans 1 18-22
God has revealed it to everyone, and human beings are created to worship
>>75865617
There was paganism Christianity destroyed it. It was also degenerate heathenism.
>>75865709
>What makes you guys believe that a group of mostly hairless apes could possibly have divined the exact nature and intentions of the creator
We didn't.
We'd be nothing without God. That's sort of the whole point.
>>75862879
can someone explain the differences in ideas between Catholics/protestants and the orthodox church?
I know the history of the pentarchy and the patriarchs and all that, just wondering about some of the ideas and opinions you disagree on
>>75865709
>Says the Canadian hairless ape
>>75865838
Protestants follow strictly the Bible, where Catholics follow the teachings and decrees of church leaders
>>75865838
Prepare for a lot of (you)'s.
Just weigh in the different perspectives. Mine is a Catholic perspective.
Basically the Catholic/Orthodox schism happened when the Byzantine Empire disagreed with the Pope(for what I believe were Political reasons) and broke off.
Orthodoxy are considered schismatics by the Church, but they aren't considered heretics.
A schismatic = someone who agrees with Catholics in matters of theology, but differs in authority.
The Protestants disagreed with the corruption within the Priesthood, which was a valid complaint, but went on to use it as an excuse to create their own version of the Bible, which excluded the apocrypha and almost removed the book of James and Jude.
>>75865863
Stop.
>>75863667
I'd say, and maybe some might disagree, that one should approach Christianity in the same way that one would approach one of the schools of philosophy.
Think about the lessons and morals it teaches. Don't be an zealot (in a more modern context I mean, a zealot being someone who's all "muh deus vult" and "there is a being in the sky")
>>75865956
>Protestants follow strictly the Bible
Nice meme. The reality is the seven sacraments are all in the bible, yet protestants deny most of them, if not all of them, therefore they don't follow the bible, only what is convenient for them.
>>75862879
Greek Philosophy
Roman Law
Christian Morality
Regardless of what spirituality you are raised with or choose to follow, this is the foundation of almost every western country.
Western Countries need to find Solodarity.
>We need to celebrate our Sameness rather then squabble over petty differences while the rest of the world looks at us as Frank's.
We need our Charles Martel, our Charlemagne, our Vlad the Impaler
>Our Order of the Dragon
Sure they did brutal things , but they were in response to brutality.
>and it worked.
You don't need to be a Christian to be a Crusader
Kek Wills it
>>75866030
The apocryphal texts were added to cannon during the Middle Ages, so I hope you understand why we don't have it
>>75862879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Puh6fHbJK4
Interpretations of this video?
Be forewarned, it's rather vulgar, but it does question the devotion and faith to an character portrayal of someone obsessed with his martyrdom.
I'm interested in Lutheranism because I hate the concept that we must obey the Pope, but it apparently does not permit non-believers into Heaven. That's a bit extreme. Which denomination is best for me?
>>75866109
Believers Baptism and Lord Supper are both biblical, but I need verses for the others
>>75862879
I'm orthodox
Can I join your club?
>>75866235
Baptist
>>75866155
You almost removed Jude because it made a tiny reference to Enoch.
>>75866030
>Byzantine Empire disagreed with the Pope(for what I believe were Political reasons) and broke off
You shouldn't answer questions like this if you don't know what you're talking about. This is totally wrong.
>>75866074
What? I was just showing how he was fooling himself
He was believing self-refuting dogma
>Proverbs 13:24
>>75866312
I didn't
>>75866310
Nope. That shit is for Rednecks.
>>75866325
Mmmm, I would say that the reasons for the east-west schism were mainly political. But that's just an opinion.
I'm not saying there weren't theological disagreements.
>>75866235
>but it apparently does not permit non-believers into Heaven. That's a bit extreme.
That also happens to be the truth.
>>75866445
Not true, but Presbyterian is good too
Soo can I join if I'm orthodox or no?
I'm still interested in this: in coming threads I could say more about it
Personally I'm sure people would listen and act to reason.
Take this sort of thing as a needed closure about Gods being. Needed to make things understandable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSnIHLVa2Qw [Embed]
What if /pol/ Christian would be about this sort of things? And wanting to change this in Christianity? Isolating from already existing churches is not useful. This would actually go against the whole idea.
>>75866542
Yes of course!
>>75866263
Chrismation- Acts 8:15-17, 1Jn 2:27
Confession- Jn 20:22, 23; 1Jn 1:8,9
Ordination- Mk 3:14; Acts 1:15-26; 6:1-6; 1Ti 3:1-13; 4:14
Marriage- Gn 2:18-25; Eph 5:22-33
Healing/Unction- Lk 9:1-6; Jam 5:14, 15
>>75866466
You're wrong for saying Constantinople broke off, when it was Rome that excommunicated them, and broke off communion with the other Patriarchates.
>>75866620
Great!
> Christian
> in a right-wing board concerned about civilizational survival
> following a religion that makes earthly concerns pointless
> following a religion which promise renders concerns about arabs taking over Europe pointless, insofar the Jewish War God will destroy the World the same
> following a religion which prophecy is that their followers will be oppressed and destroyed before the return of the Jewish War God, making defense of such civilization either pointless or outright anti-divine
> thinking that martyrhood-obsessed early christians, self-flagellating monks, self-castrating cathars, life-denying puritans, apocalypse-obssesed zionists, Jonestown and the current Pope and Churches actually have it wrong, and christian morality actually means the opposite of everything that Jesus said or did.
> thinking that Crusaders were "real christians" even when they pillaged and destroyed christian towns, including Constantinople itself
>>75866656
What is confirmation?
Though I would watch to stay hidden somehow. I mean I think it should be this comfortable, interesting thing. Which doesn't work if one person (maybe add unless being Christ?) is exacted in some ways. If this does happen it is about receiving things. There are examples around. But this is not how it works. This sort of thing can work much more peaceful and fitting.
>>75866765
Lots of differing opinions in here, but all are welcome to discuss.
The main hope is to bring the Fedoras of /pol/ closer to God.
>>75866098
I have been thinking about this for a while do you think its possible to be a christian without believing in god?
>>75866871
That's the Catholic version of chrismation. We Orthodox do the chrismation immediately after baptism, and unlike Catholics, we let infants partake in communion. So for us, once you're baptized and chrismated into the Church, that's it, there's no need to "confirm" it years later.
>>75867182
No.
But it is possible to agree with the teachings of God without believing in him.
>>75866853
Shouldn't you just be glad to have someone to fight for what you supposedly want?
Whence the need to understand the reasoning?
>>75863115
Why do you think Europe was once such a safe, bountiful place? The Church.
Now that the Church is growing in other areas of the world, they'll take and apply the Good News of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, while the Wesr sinks into apostasy, sin, and stagnation. If it just isn't totally islamized
>>75867264
Does god really require perfect faith?
>>75866656
We have these things, there just not sacraments, All people who serve in position of church authority are ordained, pastors do counciling were people confess their sins, and Churches perform wedding ceremonies, but the only sacraments issued in the Bible are Believers Baptism and Lords Supper
What do Catholics and Protestants think about Evangelical Christians?
>>75867433
No one has perfect faith.
But you need to at least believe in God to be Christian.
>>75867211
I read in 1 Corinthians that the Lords supper dangerous to partake in if your not a believer
>>75863325
Young Catholics are some of the most fervent believers the Church has ever had. Gen X was a disaster for the Church, but faithful Gen Y and millennial are very much assuring the Church's future....if you know what I mean
>>75867509
No, salvation is conditional upon belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died for mankind's sins. Even the Jews and Muslims believe in God.
>>75867471
Technically every Christian should be evangelical ;)
What is different about Evangelicals vs. Baptists? I can't remember.
>>75867471
I'm an evangelical Protestant but I don't think to highly of my self ;)
>>75867509
But wouldn't imperfect faith be the same as a total lack in faith?
>>75867673
You are given a saving faith, when God changes your mind ( repentance)
>>75867643
It's hard to believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God if you don't believe in God tho.
>>75867673
Why not try to build your faith?
>>75863780
The Renaissance was the time of the some of the most brutal wars and large scale violence Europe has ever seen. The High Middle Ages was relatively peaceful in comparison except for the Hundred Years War, but that is getting into the Late Middle Ages
>>75867649
Exactly, same with me. My family is Evangelical Protestant (except for my brother who is Atheist and gay, whom we always love and openly respect), and we rarely ever think very highly of ourselves.
Hi Christian General fellows, I'm a Buddhist, how are you today
>>75867445
I just gave you the other 5. Sacrament literally just means "mystery". There are 7 holy mysteries that we are given to partake in.
>>75867551
That's why we only let chrismated members of the Church partake.
>>75867794
Everyone knows God exists. Romans 1 18-22
>>75867831
I'm a reformed (Calvinist) Baptist
>>75867761
So the father capable of infinite love and forgiveness can't forgive a child that just couldn't bring himself to believe.
>>75867509
This being Christian requires faith and believe in our Lord, God, and the reason we confess our sins to God is because we do falter and waver, and give into temptations and sin. Hence during the confession we say "...We have not loved you with our whole heart, and we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We are truly sorry, and we humbly repent."
>>75867866
My Church it's supposed to be Baptized Beleivers, or some go as far to say members
God bless you all. I love you all for keeping your faith.
>>75867855
Fantastic! Welcome to the thread.
>>75867991
Everyone knows God exists, but we suppress this truth in or rebellion, so when God changes our minds, we go from suppressing to truth to professing
>>75868028
We do chrismation directly after baptism like I said, so if you are chrismated into the Church, it is implied that you are already baptized. For converts, if you've already been baptized elsewhere, you still need to be chrismated, and we usually only do that after you've been through catechism, which should last at least 6 months. So it's kind of a given that by the time a convert actually receives the Eucharist, they are in communion with the Church as far as their beliefs go.
>>75867991
If you die in you sinful nature, you cannot be with God
>>75868217
So he created us imbibed with doubt?
>>75867991
They are not responsible until they reach the age of accountability.
>>75868324
What if one lived a life according to the words Jesus taught and died lacking faith but not lacking love for his fellow man?
>>75868325
That's not what he said, Dundee.
>>75865956
Catholics also hold the Bible up. It's read every day in Mass, and Catholics are exhorted to study the word, as well as Sacred Tradition passed on by the Apostles and their successors, as well as the teaching power of the Magisterium
Private interpretations of the Bible leads to more sorrow and disaster than anything. The Church, before the Bible existed, was around following Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium. The Bible both informs the preceding pillars, and is a product of them
>>75868325
The fall of Adam, we have a sinful and rebellious nature, so I can't say yes or no, but I think it was planned from the beginning
>>75868108
That's a beautiful pic anon
>>75868535
Once someone is truly saved, they cannot lose their salvation, but false conversions do happen
>>75868539
If we all know deep down that he is there but cannot bring ourselves to the truth are we not skeptical by virtue of our existence?
What do you think of the big ol "Jesus died for our sins" thing?
A "let's get this out of the way now, now you're all free to go" sort of thing or do you think there's still some doubt that you don't have to worry about anything?
>>75862879
Any more pic to add ?
>>75868583
Chuck Missler discovered the information.
>>75868324
God is everywhere, there is no separation from God. Heaven and Hell are not two different places, that is an old Latin myth.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Notice how it says they are punished "from the presence of the Lord".
>>75868711
Once your saved your good to go
>>75868889
Do you think that the sacrifice of Jesus is meant that everybody is saved?
>>75868835
You will feel separated from God, and all the Good things you feel in life, Go leave
>>75869022
What are you talking about?
>>75868978
Nope, only those he died for
>>75869066
Hell
>>75868978
He died for all people but you have to believe in him and get baptized for the remission of sins.
>>75869101
Ohh got it.
>>75869079
Who did he die for? Is it stated anywhere specifically?
And I have a question, did Jesus once say, even if only in one passage, that we are all sons of God?
How do I deal with the soul crushing uncertainty over what happens after death?
>>75868733
^ also checkem
>>75868733
Abbot Tryphon's FB page is gold, he wrote a big thing about what to expect from letting Muslim populations grow in societies a couple weeks ago.
>>75868835
Yeah. God is not in hell. Hell is absolute separation from God.
>>75868733
Yeah why don't you add the satanic bible on there too since you love the devil so much?
>>75869172
If you suppose there is no afterlife of any sort, then think long and hard about what it would be like before you were born
>>75868978
No. There is still Unbelief, the unpardonable sin, that was not forgiven at the cross.
Jesus did not force everyone to believe in Him. People can, and do, reject His offer.
Struggling Catholic here.
Our pope sucks. He gave medals to George Clooney and other Hollywood dopes.
Every single one of them is a pro-choice, irreligious, knucklefuck and our pope thinks they're deserving of praise even tho they don't live by the bible in any form?
This church is corrupt. Thinking bout orthodox. Much more logical understanding of scripture and tradition and not just shifting goal posts like the Catholic church seems to do.
>>75869172
Go to the pastebin.
>>75869164
Yes, it is stated specifically:
1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
>>75869172
Stop being a pussy and get a motorcycle.
>>75869260
Is Unbeleif really a sin, bad enough of one that the sacrifice of Jesus wouldn't pardon it, and who said so?
>>75868325
Yes. A teacher really loves students that ask questions.
>>75869172
A) Believe in God and the son he begot you so that you could go to heaven
B) Live a life that fulfills you enough to not care about death and hell
Most people choose B unfortunately.
>>75869305
So "for the whole world" implies everybody? That's very generous
>>75869305
We died for our sins but we still have to be reborn in his image.
>>75869022
There can be no separation from God after death, to say so is to deny the divinity of Christ and the power of His resurrection. The point is, if you are a Christian then God's presence feels like a warm and loving paradise, but for wicked souls, His presence feels like torment.
>>75869380
He died for everyone in the past and the future and the present. He offers salvation to anyone who would believe in him and follow after him.
>>75869164
>And I have a question, did Jesus once say, even if only in one passage, that we are all sons of God?
He said the opposite.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
>>75868694
>but cannot bring ourselves to the truth
But we can.
> are we not skeptical by virtue of our existence?
By our sinful nature it may look like skepticism, but deep down we are all drawn to God because our souls desire to be with Him. "By virtue if our existence", we don't want to follow God but rather our own desires and pleasures and it's not God who made us slave to our sins.
>>75869172
Trust in Jesus, or have your worst fears surpassed.
>>75869197
God is everywhere anon, there is no place where God is absent. He is all-powerful, all-knowing.
>>75869254
You assume that before you existed will mirror your eternal existence.
Your eternal existence.
See the difference?
>>75869276
Take your misguided and misplaced faith in your church and place it in Jesus.
No church ever saved anyone, and no church ever will.
>>75869276
>switching Churches because of one shitty pope
Not very wise desu senpai. The Church has seen way worse, and still, the gates of hell do not prevail against it.
Honest question to the Christians here. Is there a heaven?
>>75869336
Yes. It's huge. God values belief over all things.
>>75869511
It depends what cosmology you want to hear from, and also what hypothetical
>>75869380
Insanely generous. Heart breakingly generous. Universe stopping generous.
>>75869572
I think a belief in God implies a lack of faith in him.
>>75869382
People who die for their own sins do so in hellfire, and since they owe a debt they can never repay, they are in hellfire forever.
That's contrary to the will of God.
>>75869569
Christ said there was, so yeah.
>>75869628
????
>>75862879
>ngs Christian
>Catholics and Protestants alike are welcome to discuss theology. Try to be polite.
Are all christians the same?
Is there a difference to God for a Catholic or a Protestant or a jew for that matter, what about a christian Jew?
>>75869487
Can God decide where He is, and where He is not?
Or do you do that?
>>75869569
Kind of. There is the third heaven currently, where God and the angels live, but this space, these heavens and this earth, will be remade and renewed so that what is there will come here.
>>75869576
It only depends upon the truth.
>>75869628
Maybe. Belief is a weak sort of knowledge, but you will never have a relationship with someone you don't believe even exists.
>>75863115
East Asia is know to have the BEST education m8
As for africa and south america although they are not as rich and educated as Asia and the West they have a healthy civilization unlike the dying cucktheist west.
>>75869674
Allow me to explain:
If you must assert your belief, continue to reinforce, do you truly believe? Faith means a state of being able to totally let go and be at ease. Do you really take God as more than a force nature, one more deeply rooted in you and taken as a given than even something like gravity or light? Do you need to constantly read scientific scripture on the truth of gravity to know it's working and always will be?
I think needing "belief" and needing to reaffirm it implies a lack of faith in God
>>75869698
There is only one true God, and everyone sees Him as though through a glass, darkly.
>>75869756
That sounds pretty cryptic to me. Can you elaborate on that or maybe give me a link so I can read up on this subject?
>>75869661
Sorry I was distracted and typed that wrong. He died for our sins*.
>>75869852
People go from not knowing God, to hearing about God, to believing in God, to knowing God, to living with God.
That's the ideal.
>>75869702
What part of "God is everywhere" don't you understand?
>>75869164
The elect
Ephesians 1
Romans 8:28-
John 6:37
John 10
>>75869943
I'm at the knowing God part. I want to be the living with God part.
>>75869943
Don't you think that since God created the universe, everything in it, all aspects of it, its properties, the variety of colorful characters in it, that it's all in his image and design?
In all evil and things that could be seen as being far from God, one could say that from there an evil person could see the light and decide to become a Chirstian fully and do all that, in evil and sin itself is the light of Jesus, not only that, it's all in God's design, how could you ever be away from it in the first place?
>>75869305
That means that the elect come from the world
>>75869564
It's not just that.
The church just seems to come up with "tradition" as they go along. Look at condom use and sex for soley I unitive purposes.
The church allows NFP under the basis that it is natural. However the whole purpose behind it is to not have a child and to even do it effectively requires scentific equipment and understanding. Its even more effective than condoms when done right. Condoms are less effective than NFP and therefore still have a risk of impregnation with each use. Both are examples of sex for mainly unitive purposes but with the risk of conception. By engaging in sex you are always allowing for conception no matter how small that chance is. Most fertilized eggs don't implant in the uterus anyways. The fact that the church is a okay with NFP but opposed to condom use isn't logical.
Papal infallibility wasn't a thing until 1870 and it's likely that Peter never actually made it to rome.
There's too many inconsistancies
>>75869924
The link would be to the Revelation of Jesus Christ, the last book in the bible, which pretty much requires a solid knowledge of all of the prophecy contained in the bible.
Maybe I can explain it better than I did previously.
God is an eternal being, and created the angels to live with Him and serve Him in what we call the third heaven.
From there, God created our two heavens, our atmosphere and our outer space, and this earth for us to live on.
We wrecked and ruined the earth, and the heavens, and God cursed both to let us know that something was terribly wrong with the universe.
God's plan is to gather a group of people for Himself under the Old Covenant He made with Abraham, and then to gather another group of people for Himself under the New Covenant He made with all who believe in Jesus.
Those two groups of people will go forward in a newly refreshed and remade heaven and earth, with the mountain of God, the New Jerusalem, moving from the third heaven to the first. Here.
This is the City you have heard about with the street of gold, the pearly gates, the mansions prepared for believers, etc. It's 2/3 the size of the moon.
When that satellite city moves over the earth, we will be in the Kingdom Age. God will again take for Himself a people in that Age, and when that Age is finished, everyone who wants to live with God moves back into eternity with Him.
>>75869927
Exactly. Jesus paid a debt He did not owe because we owed a debt we could not repay.
>>75869996
The part where Anon thinks wrong things about God and tries to pass them off as self-evident.
>>75870050
Amen bro, amen. I can hardly wait to go home.
>>75865033
I volunteer at my local Orthodox Church before Uni
>>75869350
So we should follow the word of Christ do that we can have reward later in life? Doesn't it seem kind of selfish?
Everything we do is selfish. It seems silly to me to make the distinction between someone who tries to enjoy life now and be a good person vs someone who allows themselves to be miserable under the belief that they will experience bliss upon death. Both are seeking their own joy.
Didn't Jesus say he wanted us to enjoy his creation? Shouldn't living a good life make you happy?
>>75870114
No, I do not believe that to be the case, as the bible indicates that only mankind was made in His image.
I do believe the heavens shout the glory of God, and the earth reveals His handiwork, but no, I'm not a pantheist.
Everyone who is saved was evil before they were saved, and continues to do evil after they are saved. Sin is such a horrific evil that it required the death of God to fix it.
You can be separated from God by your choice to remain separated from God, as you were born separated from God.
That separation God calls "death". So while you are physically alive right now, God considers you dead.
>>75870133
It means that not one jot nor tittle of the Law was not paid for, in full, by Christ Jesus. He died for everyone's sins. Hitler's sins. Stalin's sins. Your sins. My sins.
Forgiveness of sins is not salvation. Forgiveness of sins is forgiveness of sins, and makes salvation possible.
>>75870114
>that it's all in his image
I think you're taking that in the wrong context from scripture. Man's spirit is what made in the image of God, and nothing else is the universe is, though of course it's all designed by Him. He did not create evil though, and while what evil that comes about may be used by God to somehow do good, it sounds like you're stretching it in a gnostic sense.
>>75870431
So you don't think God is all-powerful then, you think He is just some deity that reigns over Heaven and Earth but His glory has jurisdictional boundaries, that's pretty blasphemous anon.
>>75870599
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet lose his soul?
Or what would a man give in trade for his soul?
No, we have but this flicker of life to choose where we will be eternally. Choose wisely. Choose Jesus, and good, and life, and heaven.
>>75869445
Who made us slave to our sins then? And did god create sin?
>>75869487
We were taught in Catholic school that hell is a state of separation from God.
If God is being, than separation from God would be nonbeing. If God is omnipresent how can we be in a state of separation from him.
>>75870711
God is all powerful, but He is not a slave to His own power. He is not required to do all things that require power.
Anything He wants to do, He does. For instance, He made a place to contain the devil and his demons, and that place He calls the Outer Darkness.
There is nothing of God there.
>>75870891
Sin is not a created thing; it's a measure of how much like God we are not. Transgressions, iniquities, rebellion, death; these things the devil began, and taught humanity.
>>75870919
God is not a slave to His own attributes, and you would do well to forget anything taught to you by Jesuits.
>>75870891
>Who made us slave to our sins then?
We did, by our own choices. If say that's not true do you deny that you have ever sinned before?
>And did god create sin?
Being that sin is the opposite of God's will, no. Man is the only creation endowed with true free will and is the only one who can choose to do wrong in rebellion against God.
>>75866853
>he fell for the Christian cuck meme
>>75870700
He didn't create evil? Then how did it come to be? How could there be anything he did not create? If it arose from something of his design, then he knew full well it would come to be.
>>75871025
If we obtained sin from the light bringer and satan is a fallen angel does that mean god created angels imperfect?
what does language does era sing in anyway? it sounds like a bunch of gibberish
Hey brothers
I really struggle with the hate the sin not the sinner concept
Any wise words?
>>75871256
>He didn't create evil? Then how did it come to be?
Read my other post: >>75871079
Doing the opposite of God's will is sin., but like the other Anon said, it's not a created or tangible thing so it's not "there" without God creating it.
>If it arose from something of his design, then he knew full well it would come to be.
Oh he definitely knew Man would sin and rebel against Him, but as we can see, he had a plan for that.
>>75871067
>God is not a slave to his own attributes
Sure, but how else are we to know him if not by his attributes or his nature. You're essentially saying that God is unknowable.
Also, what do you find faulty or wrong with the Jesuits?
This thread's take on /x/?
I take it's according to Lev 20:27
>>75870923
>He made a place to contain the devil and his demons
[citation needed]
>outer darkness
A reference to parables in the Gospel according to St. Matthew. And if you read those parables, namely the one of the wedding banquet, the outer darkness is simply the place outside of the banquet hall for people who rejected the invitation. In other words they weren't sent outside, they just never went in. They chose that for themselves. They weren't sent there for "containment". The outer darkness describes people turning their backs on God, where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth". Think of it more like a suburb of heaven, rather than a completely different place. But God is still everywhere, and to suggest otherwise is to imply that not all of God's creation is good, that he would create a place specifically evil. So not only are you denying that He is all-powerful, all-knowing, but now you are also denying that He is all-good. Congratulations, you've just philosophically proven that the God you believe in is not God at all.
>>75871256
Evil is the byproduct of agency used poorly. Agency used wisely promotes love, the highest ideal there is.
You cannot have the possibility of love being the highest ideal if there is any coercion involved.
>>75871292
No, it means He made them free will moral agents as well, and one of them turned on Him in the worst coup ever staged.
>>75871611
Didn't God create that full well knowing it would arise of his own design, though?
Didn't he know full well that the very serpent that tempted Eve was going to be a mischievous rascal? Not to try and fault God, but the other way around, to sort of perpetuate an idea, not of holiness or anything, or validity, but rather decriminalization of the things you think are faulty, even if they're all by God's design. But I only ask because I want you to play with the idea a little bit.
>>75871576
Keep remembering all of your dark deeds and all of the blood shed by Jesus to forgive you.
We tend to judge ourselves on our best intentions, and our enemies on their worst actions.
>>75871630
God would be unknowable if He remained in unapproachable light.
He instead chose to become one of us so that we could know Him as Father, Son and Spirit.
The Jesuits are an order of assassins.
>>75871576
Firstly, this only applies to those who acknowledge their sin and wish to change. Hedonists and sin lovers do not apply and should not have time wasted on them.
Secondly, knowing that the individual wants to repent makes this a whole lot easier. God is the eternal judge, so there is no point to judging your repentant brother.
>>75871762
Don't you think that without coercion or a bad use of agency, love can't be in the first place? Without the opposite, how would you ever have a background to set such love against to be able to distinguish it from a concept of other? That evil and love and agency or non-agency and all that are all sides of the same coin, the same thing, one more elaborate system.
>>75871675
God and the angels are aliens; just inter-dimensional aliens, not extra-terrestrial aliens. And 1/3 of them do nothing but lie, but can appear as angels of light, deceiving many.
Most of /x/ has been deceived.
>>75870857
>eternal punishment or for temporal sins
How is this justice?
>>75871744
Matthew 8:12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 22:13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Matthew 25:30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Matt 25:41 "Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, `Away with you, you cursed ones, into the Eternal Fire prepared for the Devil and his Demons!"
>>75871929
They certainly are assassinating the Catholic Church with the Pope.
>>75871744
The people who reject the invitation to the wedding of the Lamb go to hell.
There is no other place to go.
By discounting all of those verses from Jesus' mouth that Matthew recorded, you injure the gospel.
>>75871837
Yes, God knew everything from before the beginning, weighed the costs and benefits, and went forward with the creation of the world.
Your job is to stop being a cost, and start being a benefit.
>>75872002
No, because God is Love, and He has always been. And because He is a triune supernatural being, the members of the Trinity love one another.
>>75869698
You can't be a christian jew. Jew is not a race. But that's a more complicated debate.
However, if you accept to be baptized with honesty, you are no longer jewish
>>75872217
The living go to the land of the living, the dead go to where the dead go.
How is this not justice?
>>75872447
You think that the universe God created operates under some kind of spiritual financial system?
>>75871929
What denomination are you, if you don't mind me asking
>>75872333
They were initiated to assassinate what they call "protestants", and what normal people call "Christians" in a bloody and vicious counter-reformation.
>>75872585
I do, because God compared it to a man building a tower who runs out of money half way through, and becomes a laughingstock.
>>75872632
Plain vanilla born again Christian.
>>75872641
I know, just wanted to make a bit of a dark joke, seeing how the current Pope is a Jesuit.
>>75872539
Do you think that to walk, you need a ground to be walking on?
Wouldn't it be impossible, a requirement of two parts to make a system? Then consider how love might not exist without a counterpart to contrast it with, instead of considering some abstract and capitalized version of love to be a synonym for God himself and dodging the question.
>>75872701
What did he compare that to again?
>>75871837
>Didn't God create that full well knowing it would arise of his own design, though?
You're still looking at sin being our nature as God's fault. Free will the most key factor here. God did not want mindless zombies, he wanted beings like Him that could think, choose to do right over wrong, and nothing but free will can set that up. It isn't a flaw in design, it's exactly what God wanted; for Man to choose.
>Didn't he know full well that the very serpent that tempted Eve was going to be a mischievous rascal?
Take it as using evil to make good in the long run.
>but the other way around, to sort of perpetuate an idea, not of holiness or anything, or validity, but rather decriminalization of the things you think are faulty, even if they're all by God's design.
Nobody is being decriminalized for sin, or else Christ's sacrifice would have been for nothing. We are saved by the grace of God, but His judgement is true, and when we are baptized, our old selves die, and our new selves are adopted by God, so that we become His children. We "hide" under the purity of Christ so that we appear unblemished to God, like Jesus. So by faith in the name that saved us, that is how we are given salvation.
>>75872742
Aye. The Black Pope.
>>75872891
>God's fault.
No fault here, you're quite mistaken
>>75872722
All the druggy losers from school became born agains around here
What is your main appeal to deviants?
>>75872746
You're asking me the same question; do I think that love exists without the opposite of love.
Yes. I do. Love existed for an eternity before anything contrary to love existed, and love will exist for an eternity after everything contrary to love is annihilated.
>>75872641
https://youtu.be/mhEe2PSaEW0
protestants should always be careful when around catholics/orthodoxy... they will kill you at the first glimpse of power.
>>75872217
Because unless we kill ourselves we have no say in when we die
>>75872841
Luke 14
For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’?
>>75872959
repent
>>75873032
How could it be in a vacuum? There is no self without other, before creation, there could be no God without the suchness around him, unless you believe that God was all, in which case, you should have no concerns.
>>75872959
People who know they are lost are better suited to know that they need a savior.
People whose lives are not that great in this world have hope that life in the next can be much better.
>>75864947
I grew up protestant
I need help
How do I convert to Orthodox?
Please help. My family is full of Fag supporters and I can't stand their shit.
>>75873087
Aye. They're brutal savages and they're going back to their old ways soon.
