You decide which is superior
>>75796999
Anarchy vs Communism
Which is superior pol?
>>75797144
>Anarchy
Anarchism
>>75797405
>which is superior?
anarcho-syndicalism
>>75797440
We found a winner
>>75797054
who /libertarian socialist/ here?
>>75796999
libertarianism is the ultimate philosophy.
and when i say libertarianism i mean actual libertarianism as in ancaps, proponents of free market, reduction of the government and such, not the burgerclap socialistic crypto communist fags you decided to brand "left wing"
>>75797054
Canada is not dead yet I see.
Libertarianism in general but in emergency the government should becone a fascist dictatorship for 5 years.
>>75796999
Isn't that what WWII was about? Don't results speak for themselves?
>>75796999
Fascism, but not NatSoc. NatSoc is for people who have fantasies about sucking german cock.
Libertarianism is anarcho-capitalism. All you need to do is go live in ethiopia or somalia.
>>75797517
Oh fuck, drop your meme philosophy. Let me guess, you read Chomsky and Kropotkin, and now you think you're educated about the dangers of capitalism? Literally the most improbable and degenerate idea imaginable.
fascism works it's just that my preferred version has never been tried
>>75797517
>any form of democracy
yeah, no.
>>75797882
>Facism or libertarianism in a country without niggers
NOW which is better?
>>75796999
POL IS A LIBERTARIAN BOARD
>>75797440
mfw a single fattie killed the entire libertarian movement.
>>75796999
There's a 4chan iOS app?
Facisim is like a " break glass if emergency " form of government. But other than that Libertarianism.
>>75797980
That doesn't work here facist countries were brought down from the outside
>>75797882
>go live in ethiopia or somalia.
nice meme there.
removing the political elite does not equate to moving to a 3rd world shithole with no infrastructure, no free market and no private companies, such as security company to protect your property.
>>75796999
>anything other than traditionalism
i thought this board was red pilled
>>75796999
Fascism because the masses will degenerate the society by nature.
>>75798201
>I'm content with subversion until it interferes with my daily life
wew
>>75796999
Libertarianism is shit
It sounds nice but the majority of libertarians are degenerate leftists
>>75797054
>the truth is just very long versions of the right wing answer
>>75798079
fat neckbeards are the foundation of the libertarian movement
>>75798416
This is the only answer.
>>75798475
And this is true
>>75796999
The Lems Boulder Boots ofcourse
>>75798475
libertarians have nothing to do with the people you call leftists.
usa has a lot of dumbfucks who use umbrella terms which twisted the true meaning of the words.
>>75798475
>the rightmost (realistic) ideology
>leftists
ok what
>>75798686
Oh, you mean left wing libertarians? AKA the biggest and most idealistic faggots imaginable.
>>75798655
nice dubs
>>75796999
Death.
Seriously, if the choice comes between autocratic oligarchs or tyrannical plutocrats, I'd rather not live to make that choice at all.
>>75798766
>using one dimensional scales
>>75796999
Fascism but with a few conditions
>nationalized banks, gov't issues gold backed currency, gov't controls credit
>free market when it comes to the means of production. gov't only steps in to prevent/break up monopolies/oligopolies and to punish companies that act against the interests of the state
>noninterventionalism as opposed to colonialism/militarism, but still maintain a strong standing military with mandatory service for youths
>>75796999
>it will become illegal in Germany to wear traditional German dresses like the ones in OP's pic in your lifetime because they're too haram
JUST
>>75797882
>All you need to do is go live in ethiopia or somalia.
Somalia is actually doing better than nearby nations :^)
>>75798833
Left/wing divide is purely economical one fampai.
It doesn't matter. The enemy is Marxism.
>>75798277
Fascist Spain fell on its own.
America is currently dying thanks to fascism.
>>75796999
>Being an ICuck
>having FUCKING ADS
top kek.
>>75796999
The more organized force almost always wins wars in real life.
So some form of Authoritarianism will always dominate in the long run.
This is why the founding fathers of the USA tried to create a limited government. It was a beautiful dream while it lasted.
Organized money printing and loaning eventually took over and now we have the US Empire of today.
If you want any shred of justice whether social or economic, you must get the common man to know how money is created by Fiat and loaned into society.
Who gets those loans and who decides who gets those loans controls all else.
>>75797742
Just like Rome
>>75798767
people who wrote the us constitution could be considered libertarians.
>>75797644
>not the burgerclap socialistic crypto communist fags you decided to brand "left wing"
>ancaps are libertarians
>Americans libertarians are left wing
Get a load of this fag.
>>75799054
>Left/wing divide is purely economical one fampai.
First left/right divide started out during the French revolution, with the right being for monarchy and the left being against.
Where's the economy in that?
>>75796999
Libertarianism.
Get off my damn property, you commie cucks.
>>75798832
But those are the only choices that have, are, and will ever be offered.
Submit to your betters and be productive.
>>75796999
Neither.
The best form of government is a reactionary monarchy ruling over a mostly laissez-faire capitalist economy. If the territory is large and populated enough, the country can be federalized.
>>75799428
Classical liberalism has nothing to do with modern liberalism either senpai, definitions - and especially political ones - evolve.
How about neither? Fascism is disgusting: economically and philosophically. Libertarianism, however, is also economically flawed while allowing for human freedom and dignity, which is pleasant.
The one true system is a socially non-intrusive and economically post-Keynesian state.
Austrian economics is fucking retarded; Chicagoan economics, the other common school for libertarians to follow, is more sensible but still retarded.
>>75800003
Liberal Capitalism = the economy is our priority + egalitarianism + "freedom"
Marxist Communism = the economy is our priority + "egalitarianism" + totalitarianism
oy vey
>>75800003
>definitions - and especially political ones - evolve
What's the current definition then?
>>75800533
despite all the memes that might try to convince you otherwise it still boils down to left wanting more government and right wanting less
I think a theocratic republican monarchy centered around a dictator and a church with is the best form of governance.
>>75797517
It's an oxymoron. The anarchist federation, councils and militias are a state and its coercitive force. In other words, it's pretending that not calling the state a state means there is not a state.
>>75800652
But you just said that it's purely economical 2 posts ago.
Which is it, and why is it that what you claim it to be?
>>75797624
No such thing. Read >>75797517#
>>75800771
>republican monarchy
>centered around a dictator
>and a church
hmmm
so let me get this straight
you have
>elected parliament with head of government that has no power
>monarch that has no power either
>dictator that shares all the power with the church
why not cut the monarch and parliament senpai
>>75801245
Yeah. the size of government is mostly economical matter fampai.
>>75800771
Whatever you say, Francisco
How are those Islamic states doing?
>>75796999
Libertarianism is what the Americans of the Thirteen Colonies fought us for (and dumped our tea into the water for, fucking yanks). You guys remember that after all the trouble you caused.
>>75798655
CHECKED
>>75801443
How's that? Also, mostly != purely.
>>75796999
fascism
>>75801707
what exactly about size of government is not related to economics mate?
>>75801553
libertarianism in the sense of classical libertarianism (limited government, free market capitalism, etc) is fine, but american libertarianism today is mostly run by closet ancaps that ruined the concept completely from becoming adopted mainstream.
these days anyone who associates with libertarianism is looked on as someone who thinks all taxation is theft and the police and government should be run by private corporations
>>75802135
It isn't the fault of ancaps that you're logically inconsistent.
>>75797624
I meant to tell you to read >>75800996, not >>75797517
>there are people living in the death throes of a society dominated by nihilism advocating forms of governments that are incapable of fighting nihilism
as long as we're nigger rich right family?
>>75802135
i notice a lot of people treat libertarianism as a magical genie religion where they can have their cake and eat it too. the reality is you have to choose between enforced social duty or being overrun by nignogs, you cant have both
>>75802135
You can certainly argue that some form of coercion is necessary in order to have a successful society. You could argue that a state is needed to defend the people of a country from other states, and that coercive requisitioning is necessary to achieve that end.
But you can not deny that it IS coercion and that there IS a gun pointed at my head when I get a tax bill. "Social contract" and "duty to the nation," or whatever feel-good terminology you want to use... that's all bullshit. Admit to yourself that violence is the essence of the state, and start your arguments from there.
>>75796999
fascism
>>75802404
theres no such thing as a perfect system of government that is 100% ideologically sound. any realistic form of government has to make some compromises
>>75802135
from an ethical standpoint taxation is theft.
that doesn't mean people will never give money for anything.
by the way police is basically a private corporation with it's own chain of command and leadership. the only difference is that it is funded by the government and thus has to abide by the directives of the one who pays.
>>75802698
what are private security companies?
>>75796999
It depends. What are you trying to achieve?
>>75802798
you are on a good path.
consider this, on principle of supply and demand do you not think someone would see a business opportunity in creating a private security company?
with a subscription based model, offering services of protection to anyone who deems it necessary?
in all probability a few would arise, and in the initial attempt of the customer grab the competitiveness of the market would cause the quality of the services provided to go up, and the cost going down.
>>75802698
How would you be overrun by nignogs if you lived in a country without welfare state, 0 gun control and complete respect of property rights?
If such nignogs came to my property, they would be shot or sued for violating my property.
>>75802135
If you could, would you make the United States have the same system that it did when you guys gained independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain?
>>75802798
>>75802906
yes the state is technically a socially recognized monopoly of force, and in a perfect society we wouldnt need the state in the first place to "put a gun to people's heads" to enforce social order.
in reality the state is a necessary evil - yes it can be influenced by money or by private interests, but it can be kept in check through a democratic government. the libertarian idea would be to keep it limited with only enough authority to do its job in maintaining social order.
>>75796999
That picture just looks badass.
>>75803754
to be honest the problem with the state is not the maintenance of social order as much as taxation.
government is basically a group of people who take a huge chunk of your money (in my country it's upward of 40%, rising proportionally with your income) and claim they can spend it better than you.
if you try to avoid this then you get tax evasion slapped on you along with monumental fines and probably some prison time.
and just to touch on the democracy. it's a flawed system, populistic in nature and inherently causes pandering to the lowest denominator.
not to mention the potential abuses(a la muslim mayor of london), the unnecessary bureaucracy and the socialistic element that seems to always walk hand in hand with democracy.
>>75803692
how would you enforce that situation? you set up a system where capital = power and they will use that power to increase their capital, changing society to resemble liberal globalism because thats what gets them the most capital. the only way to keep your gun rights, no welfare, and protect property rights is through an entity that can protect from commie/liberal subversion and keep globalist juden in check using force and maintain a conservative social morality through the media
>>75796999
Constitutionalist Nationalist Capitalist States are objectively superior.
>>75803729
more or less. it wasnt perfect but it was a good start
>>75804755
democracy is flawed sure, but it at least provides some means for bad policy to be changed. thats why a democratic state limited by some sort of bill of rights that ensures basic civil rights to be maintained is the best compromise. if the people keep voting for higher taxation and allow more government beyond the scope of what the government was originally allowed to do in its charter (the constitution in the case of the US) its not so much a failure of the system as it is a failure of the people.
>>75796999
Ive always loved that image. Another time and place.
>>75796999
>6
well, fascism lost the war, so...
>>75797054
When it comes to those Truth answers, the problem is that government can't regulate those things, so you really have to take politics out of the equation. Those ideals and values mentioned in those Truth answers really end up in the hands of the society, not the government. If you want those values upheld, the society and culture has to make the change.
>>75796999
Fascism.
